Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: EliteTerm on October 04, 2010, 12:33:56 am
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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38424.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38424.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=52348.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=52348.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=40071.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=40071.0)
Look at these topics: What do they all have in common? All were threats to leaving the community because of moaners and complainers, who wants to shit on everything they have worked on. All were promises that we will stop and think about their efforts and change the way we act.
1-2 years later: Where are we? Back in square one. We're bad girling about some bike system being removed because of moaners and complainers who wants to shit on everything. What is the matter with you guys? We are supposed to change our behaviors and HELP the developers create a fun SA:MP community without any problems, not sitting back and pressuring the developers, calling them worthless and retarded.
Please think about this.
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Good point. Respect what the Developers have done.
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Its just an immature thing what alot of people do "omg bikes have been taken out, i quit argonath, i hate cbf omg" but then again i cannot blame them since 80 percent of the community are under 16.
I hope this message Elite posted is clear that making a moan topic and everyone agreeing to it which indirectly blames and makes the developers/owners work feel unwanted may lead to some good people leaving
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Good point. Respect what the Developers have done.
+1
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What else can we do than taking care of ourselves and making sure we don't do anything we shouldn't and say anything we shouldn't? Administration will most likely take care of the rulebreakers I believe. In the meanwhile, we have to stay calm and make sure we don't do anything we will regret.
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Its easy for people to post on this topic and say 'yeah your right screw moaners' - Just as easy as it is to moan.
What I'm saying is that people, when calm and not in any distress, can be on their head, know what their talking about and peacefully explain themselves, but If your in the heat of the moment - maybe DMed losing 30k worth of guns, you will be mad, and probably do some shouting or something... but after you take some time its easier to see it wasn't that bad.
So I think that players who moan on the spot (not major moan) should be given a tempban or something... but if your constantly moaning or bringing up something from a earlier time, you should have cooled yourself and should be banned, because otherwise you may cause another departure, but it goes the same way for those saying they are going to leave - you could just give up at first becaise there is so much moan, but maybe after some people talk to you and you realize you don't have to leave, you can stay and ignore the problems.
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Those who promised to stop moaning... yet continued to moan at the developers, are total hypocrites.
The developers worked so hard and devoted hours and hours of their free time just to create scripts that would help you play in a fun environment, but what do we get?
"GIMLI I WANT A REFUND FOR MY LOTTO TICKET!"
"THANKS A LOT WHOEVER REMOVED THE f**kING BIKES NOW I LOST A FRIEND AND BIKER RP IS RUINED"
"WHY CANT WE HAVE ONE f**kING ADMIN WHO WILL DO WHAT WE PLAYERS WANT?!"
All of these were actually said by players... the very same players who promised to change if the developers would not leave and stay working to build a better Argonath.
Seriously hypocrites, get a f**king life. Open your eyes for f**k sake then maybe you will see what those people you are moaning at, have done for you.
Sorry for my harsh language but reading those 3 topics again... and I mean the responses... have pissed me off.
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So this is what you get if you keep shitting about everything..
Lost money? Deal with it.
Lost your house? Deal with it.
Got abused? Deal with it.
Don't like someone? Deal with it.
Seriously, keep shitting on everything and it will not end well for Argonath.. Disagree with something? Remain patient and friendly and explain your opinion. Been abused? Surrender and investigate your crime! Why is it so difficult to stop moaning? Grow up.. Really.. Or please seek for another community if you don't like the developers or the cop system or something else.. Leave others alone and blame yourself for being immature.. You are the problem if you moan, not others..
Moaners should be banned on sight without a warning in my opinion.. Maybe that'll learn them to stop shitting on everything..
And yes I am a bit angry about this.. Same situation as before.. Please think about the developers of this community.. They spend alot of free time to script, map and design everything, and they are doing this for free.. The owners are paying more than E150 each month to keep this community on its feet. And this is your 'thank you' to the developers? More like a 'hahalolkthnxwhatever' to me. If you have a little bit of self respect, change your attitude and show a bit of respect towards all these people who worked their asses off.
Oh and please sticky this topic.
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People need to see the very edge to realize what have they done.
It is horrible and I agree with Kenny.Most of our players are under 16. Jamal has a point in his intro sentence.It is easy to moan and say "screw moaners"
JDC: Those are the players that obviously don't know any of the administration duties, yet they judge in a mili-second. What we have here is an inevitable situation.Those exact moaners who are unsatisfied with monetary system, vehicles,houses and respect post millions of topics about leaving and how this server sucks, but in fact, they never leave.
They just stay here, change names and moan a lot more.What bothers me is that you have all this for FREE, knowingly you return and play with no obligation to repay.It is not a home-based server, its INTERNATIONAL.You gain experience in different gaming aspects, meet new, interesting people.Getting to know about them,their views/perspective of the world.All this for FREE.
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This is the reason I never moaned for anything, and never got kicked/warned/banned for it.Since I made half of my life worse, I thought that I would enjoy the community of Argonath, and that everyone would respect the decisions and the changes of the Developers.But No, noone gave a f**k, and just moaned, I want this and i want that, I dont like you being a biker, I will go moan about bikes now, I WANT MY MONEY BAAACk, I leave server.
Those were a few examples of the moaners moaning every second on the server.
Just RESPECT the things, that The Developers/Scripters/Owners, have DONE FOR YOU, do not abuse it and moan about it.
Once you moan, than a developer threatens to leave, and you are like " PLEASE DONT LEAVE WE NEED YOU ", developer comes back, you kamikaze him with moans.I am just sick of it, and its really annoying, to hear f**king moans all day long.
I wish this community would understand what is to be a scripter/developer/owner.And how hard it is, to keep a community safe and working their asses off all night to take care of some moaners, that don't have respect for shit.If the moaners DIDN'T exist, the owners would rather go see their baby's and wife's instead of sleeping on the computer and working on the script's to make OTHERS happy.
If you do not want anyone to leave(Scripters, Owners, Developers, COmmunity Leaders etc)
RESPECT THEIR f**kING DECISION.
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Really good post there Elite.
In my opinion, if someone is saying they are quitting because of a change that has been made, simply ban them to help them on the way. After all, we are playing on this server for free, the developers dont ask anything in return from us so it's a big privilege to play here.
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In game, a temp ban should be issued for moaning, kick just allows him to return after 7 seconds and still moan.
Tempban solves this issue with 60 minutes. If a player doesn't relax and cool down in those 60 minutes, this game isn't for him.
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We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
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Perhaps it's time to show them that it is enough with the moaning and bitching about everything. I say we ban them for a month. And let them really re-think what they have done
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Perhaps it's time to show them that it is enough with the moaning and bad girling about everything. I say we ban them for a month. And let them really re-think what they have done
This ^
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Good point, Elite...
I don't see why they keep on moaning about the developer's decisions. They worked hard for it, so we must show respect to the developer and the works that he has done.
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There used to be a rule, that moaning was bannable.
RON used to enforce this a lot and it was effective.
What about just continue that way? People only tend to change when they went to far, and a ban is helping on this.
I am still a big supporter of the bans
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There used to be a rule, that moaning was bannable.
RON used to enforce this a lot and it was effective.
What about just continue that way? People only tend to change when they went to far, and a ban is helping on this.
I am still a big supporter of the bans
This idea has my vote. I may make a couple debates about things, questioning and such but that does not mean i dislike the community, people who are the other side of the ball park or anything. You are all still friends to me, and i still respect the developer's and the reasons why they make decisions. The bike issue for instance, the fact that the Bikes were getting removed, sucked, but the reason why made sense. Well put Eliteterm.
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Its simple guys, DEVS/Owners know what is right and wrong, Just like parents. They know what will be good for the server.
i will say,This will be the best lesson for the moaners who moan " Give us the damn ability to ride bikes while suspected".
I agree that i said it too, and i got my lesson.
So please guys learn something from this.
Thanx, Charlie
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agreed with elite, moan and get something taken, about the moan rule, yeah it was great when it was enforced..
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In game, a temp ban should be issued for moaning, kick just allows him to return after 7 seconds and still moan.
Tempban solves this issue with 60 minutes. If a player doesn't relax and cool down in those 60 minutes, this game isn't for him.
Increase temp-bans to days? :)
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Those who promised to stop moaning... yet continued to moan at the developers, are total hypocrites.
The developers worked so hard and devoted hours and hours of their free time just to create scripts that would help you play in a fun environment, but what do we get?
"GIMLI I WANT A REFUND FOR MY LOTTO TICKET!"
"THANKS A LOT WHOEVER REMOVED THE f**kING BIKES NOW I LOST A FRIEND AND BIKER RP IS RUINED"
"WHY CANT WE HAVE ONE f**kING ADMIN WHO WILL DO WHAT WE PLAYERS WANT?!"
All of these were actually said by players... the very same players who promised to change if the developers would not leave and stay working to build a better Argonath.
Seriously hypocrites, get a f**king life. Open your eyes for f**k sake then maybe you will see what those people you are moaning at, have done for you.
Sorry for my harsh language but reading those 3 topics again... and I mean the responses... have pissed me off.
For first time, I have to agree with you.
+1
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I remember joining the community 1 and a half years ago.What an atmosphere :bow:
Now.People appreciate only things they really "love"(which ONLY fits them)and don't look for the other members.Less and less people are being nice to eachother and on and on you see rumors,bans with hurting contents/reasons.Sometimes it indeed needed to pull a special gear(I am referring to admin/Manager/Comm.leader/Higher ranked's decisions,which have always a right point).Those who complain or aren't happy of what they have here,could help instead spreading mad mood around here.
Maybe i am not hitting the complete point of this topic,but my above written has still a connection to what ET tried to tell :)
Argonath - One Love Rasta!
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Got abused? Deal with it.
Don't like someone? Deal with it.
I'd rather do outstanding actions on theese one rather than forgetting it and moving on.
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SIMPLY BAN THE MOANERS !
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SIMPLY BAN THE MOANERS !
So you want to kill SAMP Argonath Community?
Ie, Moaners are 80% of SAMP Community.
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Less moan, agreed.
But community can't succeed without ANY moan.
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Wel i have a few things to say indeed its verry annoying how many moaners there are and that the have no Respect for people who work there ass off for the Comunity like Owners Develepers Admins and many many more
and i agree that problem needs to be solved the only problem however is that most people that moan about moaners moan allot themselves to and i wil not point any fingers
But moaning about moaners is stil moaning Constantly making topics about how people need to stop moaning is also moaning
So moaning is good and bad at the same time most people act that if you give your opinion that your already moaning and that is also one of the problems not evreything is moan the problem is that if one person starts the rest follows and thats what needs to stop
If you do not like some things you may talk about it ofc but do it with Respect and thats the thing thats missing in Argo latly Respect for others
If you do not like to be Deathmatched don't do it yourself if you do not like moan do not do it yourself and so on
but like these days i see reports like
Player(0) Reported player(1) Reason: OMG this fucking asshole is deathmaching me !!
if people already make reports like that where is the respect ? that you do not like to be Deathmached ok understandable
but stil people how are you planning to Get Respect if you never give respect ??
the problem lies with us all if you Show respect to others others wil show it back to you and thats how whe make a better comunity
you want to know how whe Dealth with Deathmacher in the old days ?? whe bought a baseball bat and beated them up thats way more fun then Moaning and reporting trust me and what does it matter if you die ?? the only thing you might lose is 100$ and thats not even sync all of the time with your real Cash its just Viritual Cash people whats more inportand some Computer game and viritual money or real living humans ??
to make the story more short most of these post's that you do not like moaning is already a sort of moaning think about that for once :)
:ps: yes i know my spelling sucks and i suck at making big story's but i hope people get the point and take time to read it
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While this is not really about moaning, I would still like to take my time to say this:
I have noticed an certain number of players ingame who are constantly jumping around with capslock on even with several warn. I have seen players, who scream and moan in such an deadly precision on mainchat that it is being on borderline childish, and I have seen rulebreaking. Sexual jokes and other stuff wich is AGAINST the rules
I am going to take stronger measures against this. So let this be an warning.
Not taking me as serious? You should start doing that.
Let's bring this into mta:vc definition.
*Regulars, who are fully aware of the rules, are punished harder than new players.
*New players, are not punished as harsh as an regular would if the regular break the same rules.
What do this mean? Read and UNDERSTAND. I am not going to babysit regulars, who whine on mainchat "Omg he killed me" "Fucking freecops" etc etc among other flaming.
Read my signature for the third definition.
I do not see an reason, to why I should take it easy on regulars, who are rulebreaking.
As for who the players are, I have an general policy which I learned from other games. Which is "No naming and shaming". IN short. It is noone of your concern who the playernames are that I have been taken notes off.
If you tought "Ah just an nuub moderator, lol let's provoke him/try to teach him/lololol". Think again, I have been admin before. And not for an short time ethier. (If you absolutely must try to teach/comment, do so in PM on forums. I will only dismiss it if you say it on mainchat)
Let me tell you one thing about punishments dealt by admins ingame, which I think is very important:
Attempting to moan, whine, or give provoking comments on punishments ingame (especially on mainchat) will only result in further punishments.
I am not joking around. I will take said bold text to my heart and incoporate it into my admin work. You guys need to realise that doing said bolded text (moan, whine or give provoking comments on punishments) ingame only causes:
Prolonged arguments wich only disturbes the mainchat.
Flaming.
I am not telling you this an second time.
This is what I think.
Comments on the post? PM me on the forums, do not post about it in this topic. (Lol u just afraid of meeting arguments in public)
No, it's to prevent an eventual flame war in public.
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For first time, I have to agree with you.
+1
I find it ironic that you agree as your forum attitude is one of the many that have pissed devs off... first 4 pages of your posts in profile already have moderator comments and verbal warnings in them, not to mention your constant contradiction of posts from me that actually make sense.
Well, except my last post here. That's a start. :lol:
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Wel i have a few things to say indeed its verry annoying how many moaners there are<...>
I have one thing to say
1) It was really horrible and painful to eyes to read your story.
But yeah, I see your point.
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I have one thing to say
1) It was really horrible and painful to eyes to read your story.
But yeah, I see your point.
im sorry for your painfull eye's :rofl:
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Its easy for people to post on this topic and say 'yeah your right screw moaners' - Just as easy as it is to moan.
As I have said before...
Someone can say 'maoners suck ban them or something' - When your not at a loss.... Those who ARE at a loss could be expected to moan, but still shouldn't be. Heat of the moment and moaning can be seen as two different things, just like in real life. For example: your friend breaks your 100$ bike... you gonna be mad at first when you find out right? replace '100$ bike' with something you take dear to, YOU KNOW you will be angry at the very moment of the distress - but what seperates the two, if the person can be mature enough to just forget it, and its even better to not get mad on the spot of the incident.