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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Prometheus[NL] on July 27, 2007, 02:47:56 pm
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The situation is the following : a lot of dutch players use teamspeak and it MORE than often happens we are in a channel with 4 or 5 dutch people
after talking english to eachother with our dutch accents it very often happens that we notice only dutch people in the channel and start talking dutch AYTOMATICLY , not in anyway to insult other people its just more natural.
NOW I know the rule is DONT speak any foreighn language but WHY if we are alone in a channel DOES IT MATTER TO ANYONE ???
anyway i have TS overlay and can see who enters the channel in game , if someone joins i ask in english who is there , and we START TALKING ENGLISH
it just feels so STUPID to talk english to other dutch people ..........
So I in my opinion the rule should be English is the main language unless you are with all the same nationals in a channel , if somone enters revert to English
Im putting this up here to start a Debate this is not killzone so please KEEP IT A CLEAN ARGUMENTED DISCUSION
and respect other people / nationalities things like foreighn languages suck ETC are no arguments , once I myself entered a channel with two finnish guys, I politely asked if they could talk english and they just did so i didnt take offence to it at all , but maybe its because in holland most people speak 2 or 3 languages that we can take it better anyway WO STARTS THE DISCUSSION????????????
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aha, somewhere Kaltsu and his ts crew (hehe rhymes XD) will see this.
Think of this.
Player comes on, hes dutch, hell, we can call him..... Mr man, (XD) now, hes on TS, spoeaking english, but hes a better liguist if hes speaking dutch, and im sure if he lives in Holland, and speaks dutch all the time, hed feel a lot more comfortable speaking dutch, now, say there were three members from Holland, who all felt more confortable speaking dutch, now, TS does not have voice pms, so in my eyes, the only resolve would be to have a channel for foreign languages, with sub channels for francais, espagnol, dutch and so on, but have in the topic in that language.
"Please only use this language in this room, and if any head admins ask a question in English, please respond in english, also remember to only speak english in main chat in game."
If this were right, players would feel more confortable in the server, and the english speakers wouldnt come in and cry about a language, the only times Iv used ts put me off, becuase once, someone was getting an odd noice due to speaker sounds, the other time I had someone constantly whining at me to "speak english" when my mic was muted and iv seen people getting told to speak english when there was only one english speaker in the channel, amongst around four dutch players.
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When i go on TS, my language its very stupid, Its about mic, and sprache maybe.. :cry:
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Suppose that you come on TeamSpeak and here are 3 or 4 guys speaking to each other in Chinese.
Would you like them to continue the Chinese or would you like them to start speaking English ?
The idea for some language subchannels is not bad, but it leaves 2 different choices.
1. Possibility to speak different language in all channels, if all players present can speak and understand it.
2. Language subchannels, where the subchannels are the ONLY place allowedto speak this language.
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Im for the first choice , english is the main language but if all people are from the same country they can speak their own language .
the problem with separate channels is -like the word says- separation , for me it was NEVVER about that , it was just if you are in a channel with people from your own country you arent forced to NOT speak your own language . if someone joins the channel ofcourse be polite and talk english .
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I dont agree with First one, Omg :o hearing Chinese/Latvian/Sweadish, Omg :o
I agree with 2nd One ;)
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No no i think he means if people want to speak a different language than English its OK AS LONG AS THEY ALL AGREE
This would in practice lead to people speaking English BUT if all are from the same country can speak their own language that's all
I really don't like to see 19 different channels with all two people in em speaking different languages that's just separation and not necessary
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Lol, just speak English people (Especially if channel full of ALS)... try speaking in another language infront of ALS, mostly British and we will share a lot of our local termanology!! :D
But yeah, if players agree, it should be allowed to talk in diff languages but there are plenty of channels, just go to them lol.
(The most annoying thing on TS by far is Rap music and Stuart :lol:
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You guys are lucky I cant get a working mic :P my accents awesome, no one from Engerland understands me :p.
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But yeah, if players agree, it should be allowed to talk in diff languages but there are plenty of channels, just go to them lol.
Seems like you don't understand the meaning of the channels correctly. The channels are supposed to match your current status and skin ingame. If you are in-game, you should be on one of the "Citizens" sub-channels or in police radio, depending on what your skin is.
I am not very happy to find 5 guys speaking Dutch on "Support channel", though they are all in game, playing, and the conversation nohow follows the channel rule "for support purposes only"...
Anyway, about the foreign languages. I think we could make a change in the rule, but then we would take a look on how people will respect it. Foreign language could be spoken, if everybody on the channel understood it. But right after a new guy joins the channel, the conversation should turn to English automatically. So, that guy shouldn't even have to ask "could you speak English, please".
But I have a bad feeling where this kind of rulechange would lead to...
Let's say, there are 4 Dutch guys on the "Business" sub-channel. Then a British guy joins the server. After that, all the Dutch guys switch to some other empty channel, only so they can continue speaking Dutch... :neutral:
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But I have a bad feeling where this kind of rulechange would lead to...
Let's say, there are 4 Dutch guys on the "Business" subchannel. Then a British guy joins the server. After that, all the Dutch guys switch to some other empty channel, only so they can continue speaking Dutch... :neutral:
I can understand that , Kaltsu and it already happens sometimes too . So I think if the rule changes then it has to be clear to all that they /we (i was one of the five in support channel)Have to use the proper channel for their/our skin and this rule will then have to be enforced STRICTLY
I will admit I have made mestakes in this myself ..but like i said for me it was only that people that have a reason to be in a channel AND happen to be of the same Nationality are not forced to speak English AMONGST THEMSELVES
so as of now i will always be in the right channel myself and i will instruct others to do so also.
Oh about when someone enters , I always ask 'hello who's that?' and start English immediately , I however I can not speak for all others in this ..
To conclude I want to say : We all come together here and we all think its interesting to ''meet' different people from different nations and to play with them , but this also means to comunicate we have to make some sacrifices and where freedom is given also more personal responsability from players is asked .(like if the new rule is passed .)
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Ok, the rule has been changed to "English is the main language to be used, but any language is allowed as long as everybody on the channel can understand it".
To describe this rule better, you are allowed to speak other languages ONLY, if everybody on your channel understands it. As soon as someone, who does not understand it, joins the channel, the conversation must return to English.
:ps: Today I already faced a problem, immediately after taking the new rule in use. Two Dutch guys went to VC channels, to speak Dutch, though they were playing SA... :flame:
If there will be major problems along this new rule, the rule will be changed back to "English is the only language allowed". So you guys, who want to speak your own language in TS, the future is up to you...
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exactly what i was going to tell them myself some guys need to understand this freedom comes with an cost :mad: if you tell me their names (but i think i know who) ill talk to them about it !!.I see the new rule as a good compromize and if people dont want to listen : kick or Ban from TS :out: :ban:
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Guys, good job by following the new rule :mad:!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBX3uvJHDP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBX3uvJHDP4)
We might just start using the old rule again, as the new one seems to get no respect at all... ;)
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The problem with this is the following , he (rob i believe ONLY entered the CHANNEL to tell us :ENGLISH ONLY )BUT we were ALL DUTCH
HE didnt enter to play but to point out the OLD rule THEN HE LEFT ??????wasnt the rule we could talk dutch AMONGST ourselves ??
if someone is playing and is in the RIGHT channel we ofcourse would have spoken english .. I have one of two feelings OR people that dont like the rule are trying to discredit us or just DONOT KNOW we can speak our own languagfe amongst ourselves
All the voices you hear are dutch people EXcEPT one guy saying english only .......Was it fatboyROB does he even know the new rule ???
Sorry i am a bit angry but i dont like to ridiculed and taped without MY concent he clearly says his mic is broken so HE WASNT THERE TO PLAY
Please put this in the right perspective Kaltsu NOBODY broke the new rule ......
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You must remember, that the main language to be used is still English.
Of course this new rule is open for abuse, like guys joining the channel every minute just to say "English only". That is certainly not allowed of course. If a non-Dutch person joins your channel, he should be there for a good reason (like to play SA or to present some question to you guys, but NOT just to annoy you and prevent you from speaking Dutch).
Anyway, you should remain speaking English as long as the non-Dutch person remains of the channel. If he is there for no reason, you may ask him to leave. After he leaves, feel free to continue speaking Dutch.
It's possible, that Rob didn't know about the new rule. Anyway, I have informed him about the new rule now.
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I just removed an stupid angry post before anyone read it but one thing :
Taping people and making fun of them behind their backs is realy (###### = censored )RUDE and then putting it on you tube ??? i mean pm me on the forum in game whatever why does it always have to be a PUBLIC execution ??
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OMG rob you putted it on Youtube... with out our permission to do so :mad:
Ever heard of e-mail or something like that
USE THE GOD DAMN [email protected] e-mail !
:ps: I almost know that trojan has to do with it somehow...
The first reply on it Trojan
The one who gives it a five star rating Trojan
Cmon rob you are a *** **** ****** N**B
You use a e-mail for that.
You one of all should know that....
CMON
Cheers, Pissed on Rob- Religue
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Now drop the flaming and keep this thread clean, please!
You broke the rules and are now pissed that you got caught? :lol:
Don't blame and flame Rob if you did the wrong thing. Why did you guys speak English for a while, and then started speaking Dutch again, though Rob was still on the channel?
The rule is still "English is the main language to be used, but any language is allowed as long as everybody on the channel can understand it". If Rob was on the channel for no reason, you could have asked him kindly to leave the channel, so that you could continue to speak Dutch.
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There are some English words that are universal in all languages :)
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Remember that we changed the rule on your request, and you guys promised to follow it and speak English when someone who could not understand the language would be present.
It is up to you to make sure this possibility stays, if we find that people abuse the new rule to continue speaking in their own language with others who do not understand it present, it will be reversed to English only at all times.
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OMG rob you putted it on Youtube... with out our permission to do so :mad:
Ever heard of e-mail or something like that
USE THE GOD DAMN [email protected] e-mail !
:ps: I almost know that trojan has to do with it somehow...
The first reply on it Trojan
The one who gives it a five star rating Trojan
Cmon rob you are a *** **** ****** N**B
You use a e-mail for that.
You one of all should know that....
CMON
...im sorry for cursing buy My Fucking God Religue!
just because you get bitched at twice for breaking same rule, both reporters have somthing to do with it???? :lol: no
Trojan had nothing to do with it FFS ask him yourself
and what would a PM do?
and what you would do is pm me back with a 'fuck off Rob'
Cheers, Pissed on Rob- Religue
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Posted on: August 02, 2007, 09:58:05 AM
The one who gives it a five star rating Trojan
Cmon rob you are a *** **** ****** N**B
Cheers, Pissed on Rob- Religue
:lol: Ask Trojan himself,he had nothing to do with it, if i hated you and someone flamed you and put it on youtube, id put a 5* also
yea, ok, im the noob, sure Buddy, keep telling yourself that :)
Posted on: August 02, 2007, 10:02:00 AM
The problem with this is the following , he (rob i believe ONLY entered the CHANNEL to tell us :ENGLISH ONLY )BUT we were ALL DUTCH
HE didnt enter to play but to point out the OLD rule THEN HE LEFT ??????wasnt the rule we could talk dutch AMONGST ourselves ??
if someone is playing and is in the RIGHT channel we ofcourse would have spoken english .. I have one of two feelings OR people that dont like the rule are trying to discredit us or just DONOT KNOW we can speak our own languagfe amongst ourselves
All the voices you hear are dutch people EXcEPT one guy saying english only .......Was it fatboyROB does he even know the new rule ???
Sorry i am a bit angry but i dont like to ridiculed and taped without MY concent he clearly says his mic is broken so HE WASNT THERE TO PLAY
Please put this in the right perspective Kaltsu NOBODY broke the new rule ......
Jesus Christ, How could my Mic be Broken, you HEARD ME! are you deaf?
and why would i come in TS just to report you guys?
i was gonna come in SAMP as soon as i said 'guy's its english only' but, then i didnt because yall kept speaking dutch or w/e and i recorded yall, and posted it on the tube, Cry me a River igaznio & Religue
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isnt this a attack against 2 admins, i know Rob doesnt like the SA:MP admins at all, so mostly belive Rob wants those admins gone.. Cause this is a "hidden flame" against them
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@Why doesnt Anyone SEE rob is clearly doing to DISCREDIT PEOPLE ????please listen te his recording ....AND look at the text he put on it it SAYS:
My mic is BROKEN . I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT I SAID
I wanted this rule to Have more freedom for all , not to have a public Ececution , I dont cae about it any more let one Whiner spoil it for the rest
fine !just lose the rule BUT dont tell me that i dont have a right to be ANGRY , I was taped WITHOUT my CONCENT and
ROB CAME IN THE CHANNEL ONLY TO CATCH US SPEAKING DUTCH THIS is the ABUSE Kaltsu refers to in his post....he NEVER INTENDED to play .....
Look at the facts Rob posts on you tube : within 5 mins trojan responds
rob posts on forum : within 5 mins responce of TRojan
I talk to rob about it : HE DISPUTES HIS OWN EVIDENCE
I urge you ALL to listen WE ARE HERE SCOLDED FOR BREAKING THE OLD RULE WE were using the new one YES i spoke english to get him in the conversation did he NO ha taped and ran to his buddy trojan so they could have a laugh at our expense
What angers me is that ALL seem to AGREE WIth ROB BUT we didnt brake any rule
My recommendation AWAY WITH THE NEW RULE AND ZERO tollarancy FOR other rulebrakers too (BANNED peope hang in ts ALL the time ,people brake up other peoples converssations , making stupid noices calling admins succers , asking me to be their BOYTOY , I asked in /a chat numerous times HELP kick these people , only to get no responce I whis these RULEBRAKERS were dealth with as stongly as we are FOR Speaking dutch for 5 minutes)please Kaltsu , Gandalf I never wanted this to happen I wanted A positive change ,but when people start to discredit me I must defend myself !Marc was in the channel too if you dont believe me ASK HIM what hapened ....Im just diapointed that all join robs camp instantly without looking at the facts .
Posted on: August 02, 2007, 01:25:11 PM
Thanx Denny it means a lot to me to see a mature guy like you agreeing with the FACTS :D
I never wanted this im realy disapointed ............my hair is turning grey here...i play this game for fun not to be scoulded for ....NEVERMIND
IM dropping the subject... NOW
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isnt this a attack against 2 admins, i know Rob doesnt like the SA:MP admins at all, so mostly belive Rob wants those admins gone.. Cause this is a "hidden flame" against them
lol? when did i say i dont like SAMP admins?
please, show me
dude, quit trying to stir more stuff.
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Prometheus, the rule has not been reversed or changed.
The rule is still in work as you requested, and it needs more than one minor incident of a guy who did not even know about the change to get it reversed. So no need to go bald from pulling the hairs out of your head. :D
I think that everyone should drop this thing right now, and just continue as we were.
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@Why doesnt Anyone SEE rob is clearly doing to DISCREDIT PEOPLE ????
ROB CAME IN THE CHANNEL ONLY TO CATCH US SPEAKING DUTCH THIS is the ABUSE Kaltsu refers to in his post....he NEVER INTENDED to play .....
Look at the facts Rob posts on you tube : within 5 mins trojan responds
rob posts on forum : within 5 mins responce of TRojan
I talk to rob about it : HE DISPUTES HIS OWN EVIDENCE
here we go again, 1 when am i disrespecting people?
you Broke the Rules, you get punishment
#2 just because trojan gets on as i do, that makes up, 'working together' :lol: man, you were one of the main people that probably wanted him banned, thats the ONLY Reason you ,religue, & everyone else, bring it up.
oh, so igaznio, you hacked my PC and monitored what programs that i clicked on? you hacked into my thoughts to see if i was gonna go on SA or not??!?!!?!?! OMG haxcr, dude, why the HELL would i waste my time to try and get you people in trouble? there on my side cause its all on the recording, yall didnt bitch at Trojan for recording. seriously dude, why would i waste 30 mins of my life Editing & uploading & posting a video just to get yall in trouble? im not like Some people on here.
I talk to rob about it : HE DISPUTES HIS OWN EVIDENCE
when did you talk to me? when did you Email me about anything? when did you text message me, never, so quit lying
and YES i WAS gonna go on San Andreas, but id rather not RP as an English person in a dutch channel, that is WHY i didn't come in game, Can you understand that? cause i was gonna go in there, switch my keyboard(cause UP arrow dosnet work) go as Army and RP with Admins with ...or ill terrorize LS, etc.
As Gandalf said, we Drop it
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Prometheus, the rule has not been reversed or changed.
The rule is still in work as you requested, and it needs more than one minor incident of a guy who did not even know about the change to get it reversed. So no need to go bald from pulling the hairs out of your head. :D
I think that everyone should drop this thing right now, and just continue as we were.
your right as always , wise man .
consider it dropped
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Ok, there have been too many violations of the new rule for now.
I have received complaints of [DoA]Religue and some other guys speaking Dutch on LVPD police radio channel, when there were several non-Dutch players on the channel. Also, the conversation was no how related to police work, just generally shit-chat. I also have proof of this.
From now on, English will be the ONLY language allowed in TeamSpeak. Any language will be allowed on the "Support channel" for support purposes, but permission to use foreign language must granted by a TeamSpeak server admin.
Any person found speaking foreing language without permission, will be punished by a kick from the TeamSpeak server. If the person continues breaking the language rule, he will be temporarily banned from the TeamSpeak server.
And as some final words for these Dutch guys...
Well, what can I say. You requested this new rule and you were given a chance, but still didn't respect the rule. You screwed your chance.
:ps: Naturally, any language is allowed in private messages, in TeamSpeak's text chat.
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Kaltsu: If you have problems with the Press to talk key, use the Voice activation
Evidence: Then ppl hear me when i am wanking
Kaltsu: Then turn it off by the time you wank
Evidence: Yea man i am fucking lazy. I sound so fucking gay now
^^ In teamspeak lol
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hahhahahahahahahahahaahaha, what the hell, first i saw some topics with my voice on msn "Evidence OMG!, Evidence laughing" and now this :lol: