Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: NeoStream on July 30, 2007, 09:03:01 pm
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Ping, huh, what?
For those didn't know PING (Packet INternet Groper) is a term used for the time it takes to send a package from your computer to the game server and back again to your computer.
This time is also called the latency and is noted in Milli Seconds (ms).
A high PING is #1 source of LAG.
So someone with a PING of 500 has a latency of 0.5 seconds. That means all other players have to wait for that data. What happens to a normal running game while your videocard cant keep it up? You get frame drops. Ur screen begins to hitch. And you wont get a smooth animation, only single frames pushed on your screen. If a players PING is 400? , then expect his position is to be updated every 0.4 seconds.
Anyways, sometimes there are players online with these high PINGs.
They are invincible in Fight Clubs since they hitch from one place to another and they are only "position synced to your screen" once in 0.4 seconds if they have a ping at 400.
You don't see them brake if you drive after them what results in a crash.
If you chase a high pinger and you want to ram his car you probably miss him and crash yourself.
Besides lots of those inconveniences for all other player, high PINGs are often used by hackers.
A PING kick script isn't that much work and it's allways better for a server and his players.
Less PING is one huge step closer to a better server.
PING kick servers are the most fast and lag free servers, its the most simple way to get a server fast.
I have played BF2 for a while and all Good RANKED servers had Auto PING kick, because a single high PINGer can ruin a game for the rest of the players. As far as I know a part of the sync errors are due to a high PING to.
I might sounds a bit furious by now, but since there online games exist, PING has been a large problem for everyone.
How hard It might sound for some of us but if you want to play online games, the get a Proper connection and choose a server not to far away.
In the poll you may say if you think its needed or not.
Probably a PING kick script will not be added to the Argonath server, but its something to be aware of.
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Hoho, I guy had 69K ping today... 69 seconds... Duuude!
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Hoho, I guy had 69K ping today... 69 seconds... Duuude!
Never seen someone with a PING of 69000 yet, because thats just sick.
Does his provider use cables made of seaweed.........?
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Maybe autokick for ping above 600, however if u get a ping spike bye bye :P
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Maybe autokick for ping above 600, however if u get a ping spike bye bye :P
600 is quite hight to, I was thinking of 200/300. I think you have to get text warnings for the first PING checks. if ur ping stays high, you will be autokicked.
Because everyone can have a high ping peak.
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We have a lot of players from Brazil, US and Australia and some from more exotic places. By setting a ping kicker to 300 we would probably lose them.
As our play is based less on fighting, a high ping does not have to be an objection to play. Only those with high ping should try to be fair and not fight a lot.
Althoug a fight between two guys with high ping can be funny.
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:( Please no, I hate fighting people with lag like mine.
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We have a lot of players from Brazil, US and Australia and some from more exotic places. By setting a ping kicker to 300 we would probably lose them.
As our play is based less on fighting, a high ping does not have to be an objection to play. Only those with high ping should try to be fair and not fight a lot.
Althoug a fight between two guys with high ping can be funny.
Maybe a Pingcheck should be done when a player enters a Fight club or Race event, because there Ping really matters. Normal RP roaming isn't indeed a large problem, but especially in Fight clubs, high pingers are almost Godlike.
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Ping's no problem for me. Getting 28 MB internet Wednesday. :lol: Not that I have problems with my current speed.
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Hafford, I might sound a bit bitchy.
Everytime you join a Fight club, you automatically win with your ping (lets say about 400/500), its unfait for others.
Laggers are almost GodLike, In every way its not fun and fair.
You are not the only one that joins Fight Clubs, and win instantly, but since you posted on this topic and I played a few times with you in Fightclub you might be a perfect example. :neutral:
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I usualy have a ping about 70-90, Never get to 100..... :(
But wouldnt be fare for people with high ping not having a chance of playing...
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i Hate Fight Club's, i can never Find them :(
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When I played my ping was always at 170s or so, because I live in USA
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If somebody is having a high ping, the first thing to do is try to help him getting it lower. There are some tricks that can improve the ping, and that's only an advantage to everybody.
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If somebody is having a high ping, the first thing to do is try to help him getting it lower. There are some tricks that can improve the ping, and that's only an advantage to everybody.
A ping can be improve by some things (for example the things I listed in mu first post), but most of the time ping cant be improved by shown solutions. Firewall might be a problem, but solving Ping problems for a player online will not really work. Players are not in for a technical instruction because they wanna play or people doesn't have the knowledge to understand the steps. Its like mopping the floor with the tap open. And the things that do really decrease the ping costs money.
Saving 40 ms with tweaks on a 600 ping has no effect at all.
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Gandalf.. not lots of player of the brazil.. just 1-2 .. rarely brazilians play here following all rules..
err about the pingkicker i do not approve it..if a player reaches certain ping for 1 second hes kicked..
that's bad..
Posted on: August 12, 2007, 07:39:04 PM
thats not fair putting a pingcheck
i'm gonna stop racing,fighting,doing missions for it?
Never.
putting a pingkicker 300? my is 286 average of 312
600? sometimes my ping jumps to it :s
no fair putting a ping kicker.. players gonna stop playing due the ping?
since.. stupid idea..
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Guys...I have a usually high ping of around 150-200 as I am on a wi fi connection and live in the USA...I like the server as it is. I don't think many people care about people with high ping, I don't usually hear ne1 complain...besides, this isn't punkbuster :P
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150 to 200 isnt that bad , i think we are alking here about
people with 1000 ping they should be kicked ,or they should lower their ping ...(possible , 1000 is not normal , no matter where you live.)
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Guys...I have a usually high ping of around 150-200 as I am on a wi fi connection and live in the USA...I like the server as it is. I don't think many people care about people with high ping, I don't usually hear ne1 complain...besides, this isn't punkbuster :P
Under 200 is Normal
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150 to 200 isnt that bad , i think we are alking here about
people with 1000 ping they should be kicked ,or they should lower their ping ...(possible , 1000 is not normal , no matter where you live.)
Indeed, above 500/600 Ping is the problem area I am especially pointing on, what is not normal for a online game. As Schfifty noted it isn't impossible to play with a decent ping if you are in America (And he is running on Wlan to). Someone out of Europe cant tell me its not possible to have a decent because of the route to the server. Saying its not fair or not appropriate to kick high pingers is way out of order. If you want to play, you need to invest. I cant run GTA SA on a 10 year old computer, its no excuse for having a FPS of 10000000000000000000 ( Well I think it wont install at all ).
Like I have to pay for a good computer with expensive stuff when I want to play online, I also have to get a connection that is able to handle the traffic needed for it. Saying it's not fair doesn't fits in this idea. If my car doesn't pass the safety tests anymore because it has all kinds of problems, and doesn't reach the speedlimit by 30% do you really think I wont get pulled of the road?
I can say its not fair because I have the same rights as others to enter the road, only because there car is able to handle the road and mine not?
C'mon, its the same as Online gaming, if Samp would have been Rockstar official it would have Pingkick Big time (like Punkbuster).
Its not for fun that official online games spend money for the Punkbuster system or for any ping monitoring script.
In Pingkick scripts Ping peaks usually doesn't cause auto kick, they might give a warning, and only kick when a player keeps high pinging.
As for the online gaming, you need to invest, just like I have to invest Big time in a proper car to be allowed on the road.
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I agree there should be some kind of ping kicker..
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lol sgtsuicidal was on today and he had over 1000 ping
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maybe some players has high ping because they download from internet and this is very bad because they lag the server
I think the autokick may be at 600
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I know he diddnt respond to my /pm in game he had a constant ping of about 1100
Maybe sickness can write a guide for people that experience this , althoug more than once its because people are downloading while playing and thats fixed easily
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I know he diddnt respond to my /pm in game he had a constant ping of about 1100
Maybe sickness can write a guide for people that experience this , althoug more than once its because people are downloading while playing and thats fixed easily
Most off the time high ping has alot of sources. But downloading (porn) is indeed one of them.
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/me pack his bag incase of this thing happen
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lol sgtsuicidal was on today and he had over 1000 ping
He use to have 1k ping.. :trust:
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http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=1435.0
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Did a search on my name and wasnt surprised to see my name in this topic.
I have a high end computer and live in remote Australia, the reason for my high ping is because i am using sattelite broadband (this service doesnt deserve the name broadband and i am considering a claim for false advertising) and ADSL is not an option for me, and probably wont be for a long time, i live in a town of 150peeps.
I have been told that there is a minimum ping of 600ms which is the time it takes to get from my computer to the satteliite back to the gate in sydney and back agian, the rest is from sydney to the server and back.
Imagine my disgust when i found that dialup has a lower ping (500-600ms) than sattelite broadband. (1000-1400ms)
but i have issues with lost connections on dialup but very rarley on Sattelite.
I am a long time user of online games and am aware of ping issues, but the way samp works is that you see on your screen real time and everybody else is seen based on there ping, eg. if i'm on your screen with a ping of 1000ms your seeing me where i was 1second ago. so if you wanted to shoot me (with a ping of 1000ms) you would have to guess where i was in about 1 second.
My lag wont effect your game on samp other than seeing me where i was 1000ms ago.
I am aware of being hard to shoot with my ping and try not to exploit this by taking on such roleplay that doesnt involve fighting, (thats why you dont see me in fight clubs).
But please try and understand that i see everyone where they were 1000ms ago, therefor, making it almost impossible for me to shoot you, unless you are standing still or walking in a straight line towards, or from me.
As long as people understand that your seeing others where they were according to there lag and dont exploit the lag issue, i dont see a reason for a ping kick script.
And i am trying to have ISDN install Fri 17th Aug so my ping should decrease to a tollerable level.
Thanx for people who have allowed for my problems and put up with me. :D
Fatboy_Rob, Fight Clubs start outside the main Ammunation in Los Santos.
Prometheus[NL], it is possible, just dont ever get Sattelite Broadband if you play online Games.
Sonny, sometimes when i connect i get a ping of about 64k (64545ms), but after i have connected it settles back to where i usally ping, not sure why that is. but i have a fair idea. (looks at his Sattelite Dish), hmmmm...
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well Sgt Suicidal i didnt realise your in the 'Bush' lol !i didnt think of satelite ...its not that i have a problem with you lagging its only that people with high pings make the SERVER lag one or two isnt an issue but if there are a lot .well as it isnt your foult i can live with it, i have problems with people that have a UNnesescary high ping
i actualy find it cool your in such an isolated part of the world and still play online ...
and you almost never fight so np ..
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Maybe sickness can write a guide for people that experience this , althoug more than once its because people are downloading while playing and thats fixed easily
Maybe... :trust:
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i have hight ping for a reason..
my provider uses sattelite ... so my ping reaches 42 in a brazilian server but others server its goes to 300 =o
my provider is CaboMais wich does not uses router..
i have only one big bargain shit here wich only CaboMais workers can manage the "router"
altrought my ping has reaching about 700.. so the manager did a nice work reducing my ping..
FPS still hight
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When i lag, is "negative lag"...
I can lag to others but i lag myself too lol!
In FC u just need to have skills and dodge the lagger attacks, just attack the less laggzors :p Though is hard, yeh, hard @.@
Never did "positive lag" which is i lag to others but i DONT lag to myself rofl...
But that of negative and positive lagz is a thing that i created to i say and never did Positive Lag in MTA \o\... If i lag in SA:MP i lag the connection not the game lol... Since you play in San Andreas =p
Though, i have like 70-90 ping at SA:MP, thats LOW, but i dont care about the laggzors, they are people too ;)
Just say to him to stop downloading pron when they are playing :D
So i dont agree at this idea, I have low ping but i want laggers to say to him to stop downloading porn when their playing :lol:
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When i lag, is "negative lag"...
I can lag to others but i lag myself too lol!
In FC u just need to have skills and dodge the lagger attacks, just attack the less laggzors :p Though is hard, yeh, hard @.@
Never did "positive lag" which is i lag to others but i DONT lag to myself rofl...
But that of negative and positive lagz is a thing that i created to i say and never did Positive Lag in MTA \o\... If i lag in SA:MP i lag the connection not the game lol... Since you play in San Andreas =p
Though, i have like 70-90 ping at SA:MP, thats LOW, but i dont care about the laggzors, they are people too ;)
Just say to him to stop downloading pron when they are playing :D
So i dont agree at this idea, I have low ping but i want laggers to say to him to stop downloading porn when their playing :lol:
Of course they are people to, but children in Africa can't play at all, so that's not good a comparison.
If you want to play online you have to invest in a proper connection and a decent computer, you get what you pay for.
The whole positive and negative ping story gets me confused xD, but as you noticed its something you made up, a negative ping would mean that you are faster than the server itself, it actually means you would travel back in time :D.
But anyways, may I ask why you don't play Samp over the cheapest connection available? (I hope so), because you want to invest in a good (better) connection. That's what everyone needs to do when he or she wants to start gaming online. I dive in sparetime and as by many other sports you need to invest for proper gear. I cant go to a diving club and say I am joining up with 80 year old diving gear. They wont let me go with them, even while I am a person to. That means I have to spent about 1k / 2k euros to buy proper gear just like I pay more than others for a good connection.
Some people haven't got an other solution just like Sgt Suicidal, but for the most off the laggers its just "The less money for the connection that makes me able to join a server". Who wants to play and is able to improve his or her ping needs to do that, else don't play.
A few laggers isn't that a problem on a server, but notice that laggers cause problems like timeouts, error processes and even crashes if they invoke a critical error.
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I will explain this thing of Negative and Positive lag...
NEGATIVE LAG:
Lag, since you lag YOUR SELF and other players, like normal lag, but positive lag is normal lag -- Your game speed is same as Single player but you lag the SERVER, i mean, the PLAYERS. But, the negative lag is, you lag YOUR GAME and the players. Extremely common in MTA
POSITIVE LAG:
I have explained what the hell was it at Negative Lag, Positive Lag is, you lag the players, the game speed is the same of the single player.
Now a little thing i have added to my imagination :D :
Positive VS Negative lag:
This is a weird one, but i got it from Kaillera, but i have created now, you lag the game FPS, though the connection is good, high pingers like me at Kaillera has this strange lag, connection dosent lag, but FPS lags. Never saw this at MTA or SA:MP or MTA:SA or VC:MP, but in kaillera is very common, since FPS is the same to all in Kaillera, thats the Positive VS Negative lag... If you have high ping the FPS of the game is lower, but in singleplayer that may happen too -- but thats other thing:
Another thing i have added to my imagination XD :
NOT POSITIVE, NEITHER NEGATIVE LAG:
This lag is not with net, but if you have very thing consuming CPU of your PC, the game could lag a little, by response of keyboard and the FPS, if you put Bitlord, uTorrent, Bitcomet, 5 sites opened, MSN oppened, and more things u dont need to play consuming CPU usage, you will see some that lag... the Weird Normal Lag :lol:
:rofl:
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I will explain this thing of Negative and Positive lag...
NEGATIVE LAG:
Lag, since you lag YOUR SELF and other players, like normal lag, but positive lag is normal lag -- Your game speed is same as Single player but you lag the SERVER, i mean, the PLAYERS. But, the negative lag is, you lag YOUR GAME and the players. Extremely common in MTA
POSITIVE LAG:
I have explained what the hell was it at Negative Lag, Positive Lag is, you lag the players, the game speed is the same of the single player.
Now a little thing i have added to my imagination :D :
Positive VS Negative lag:
This is a weird one, but i got it from Kaillera, but i have created now, you lag the game FPS, though the connection is good, high pingers like me at Kaillera has this strange lag, connection dosent lag, but FPS lags. Never saw this at MTA or SA:MP or MTA:SA or VC:MP, but in kaillera is very common, since FPS is the same to all in Kaillera, thats the Positive VS Negative lag... If you have high ping the FPS of the game is lower, but in singleplayer that may happen too -- but thats other thing:
Another thing i have added to my imagination XD :
NOT POSITIVE, NEITHER NEGATIVE LAG:
This lag is not with net, but if you have very thing consuming CPU of your PC, the game could lag a little, by response of keyboard and the FPS, if you put Bitlord, uTorrent, Bitcomet, 5 sites opened, MSN oppened, and more things u dont need to play consuming CPU usage, you will see some that lag... the Weird Normal Lag :lol:
:rofl:
Imagination if Grovyle --> Get urself a High end Imaginary Computer and a High end Imagynary Connection. x]
FPS Lag = Lot of Frame Drops = Computer cant handle your settings nor the game.
Actually its not lag at all, its just ur comp FPS dropping because it cant handle power the game needs.
Besides that, 5 sites opened, msn, torrent client, etc shouldn't cause a FPS Drop that is considering as enoying with a nowaday computer.
So the negative lag is just the computer (Whatever is may be, but mostly videocard that isnt able to put the amount of FPS on your screen.
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I now have ISDN installed and to my disgust (with Sattelite Broadband), my ping has more than halved, i hope that is a more acceptible level, thx for your patience
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FPS lag + network lag = character walks like michael jackson :rofl: