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Title: State your opinion - desktop [Request lock]
Post by: Kent on November 28, 2010, 07:20:38 pm
http://www1.euro.dell.com/nl/nl/thuis/Desktops/inspiron-580/pd.aspx?refid=inspiron-580&s=dhs&cs=nldhs1&~oid=nl~nl~212131~inspiron-580_d005805~~ (http://www1.euro.dell.com/nl/nl/thuis/Desktops/inspiron-580/pd.aspx?refid=inspiron-580&s=dhs&cs=nldhs1&~oid=nl~nl~212131~inspiron-580_d005805~~)
or for those who are so lazy (^.^), the specs:

Intel Core i3 Processor 550 (3.20GHz, 4MB)
Legitieme Windows 7 Home Premium 64 BIT - Nederlands
Beeldscherm niet inbegrepen
Nvidia GeForce G310 512MB graphics card
4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 [4x1024] Memory
500 GB SATA-harde schijf (7.200 rpm)
DVD +/- RW Drive (read/write CD & DVD) with DVD Burn software
1 jaar Collect & Return Hardware Support inbegrepen bij uw pc
McAfee Security Centre - 15 Month Protection - English
Gratis bezorging t/m 08/12/2010
Inclusief 15 maanden gratis McAfee t/m 08/12/2010

The price is 579 euros
State your opinion.. Might buy this desktop... :D
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Bilbo on November 28, 2010, 07:25:26 pm
Always with desktop PC's, buy in parts and build it yourself. You'll advantage from it a lot and save 25% in cost.
And no, you won't be even playing SA with that. :lol:
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 28, 2010, 07:27:20 pm
Always with desktop PC's, buy in parts and build it yourself. You'll advantage from it a lot and save 25% in cost.
And no, you won't be even playing SA with that. :lol:
Then what is the problem?!.. and no, I am not a technicus who can bould it myself k?
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Bilbo on November 28, 2010, 07:29:41 pm
Building one isn't really that hard, especially when you have the manuals.
Few screws there and few power connectors here, and done.

:ps: Wait a minute, I'll come up with a lot better setup for same sort of money.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 28, 2010, 07:31:27 pm
Building one isn't really that hard, especially when you have the manuals.
Few screws there and few power connectors here, and done.

:ps: Wait a minute, I'll come up with a lot better setup for same sort of money.
But what does it makes a bad desktop? :lol:
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Bilbo on November 28, 2010, 07:52:25 pm
Firstly, that setup is already outdated (DDR2, for example). The graphic card sucks so much it won't even be able to run GTA SA.
And not to mention, it most likely holds a cheapy power supply - which will eventually blow up all other components when it dries out a little. And not to mention that huge price tag, which has over 30% of air in it.

Here, I assembled a little set for you. It already helds a lot better graphics card and all other components, without costing more than 450e. You just have to add the cost of the OS and depending on what you choose, it most likely still won't reach the price of that poopbox.

Gigabyte GA-MA74GMT-S2 740G AM3 mATX as motherboard - 42e
4GB of Exceleram DDR3-1333MHz as RAM - 37e
XFX Radeon HD 6850 1GB as graphics card - 156e
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB as hard disk drive - 47e
Some ATX or micro-ATX case for the setup - 20e or above
AMD Phenom X2 555 3.20GHz as processor - 77e
Basic DVD -burner from Samsung - 14e
Sharkoon's 450W power supply - 48e
In total? Around 450e
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 28, 2010, 07:55:37 pm
Firstly, that setup is already outdated (DDR2, for example). The graphic card sucks so much it won't even be able to run GTA SA.
And not to mention, it most likely holds a cheapy power supply - which will eventually blow up all other components when it dries out a little. And not to mention that huge price tag, which has over 30% of air in it.

Here, I assembled a little set for you. It already helds a lot better graphics card and all other components, without costing more than 450e.

Gigabyte GA-MA74GMT-S2 740G AM3
According to other resources it isn't a high-tech gaming desktop, but it will run some games nicely.. So is it false.. Yes/no?
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Bilbo on November 28, 2010, 07:58:25 pm
Let me guess, the guy at the shop told you that? :lol:
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Drake on November 28, 2010, 07:59:30 pm
According to other resources it isn't a high-tech gaming desktop, but it will run some games nicely.. So is it false.. Yes/no?

Its False.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 28, 2010, 08:06:46 pm
Let me guess, the guy at the shop told you that? :lol:
No, other websites to.

Its False.
And what are your arguments what makes it bad?
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: StrikeFreedom on November 28, 2010, 08:07:54 pm
As soon as I saw "i3" I facepalmed. Intel's new "i series" are made for home use i.e surfing the web, email, photo viewing. They're not made for gaming....
Arguments against the desktop? There are so many that I could not begin to list them. Listen to Icy and go with what he has said.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 28, 2010, 08:15:14 pm
As soon as I saw "i3" I facepalmed. Intel's new "i series" are made for home use i.e surfing the web, email, photo viewing. They're not made for gaming....
Arguments against the desktop? There are so many that I could not begin to list them. Listen to Icy and go with what he has said.
Show your references, where'd you find that bs?
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: dtlove on November 28, 2010, 08:16:15 pm
This will run GTA, Its got an i3 and 4 gig of ram...Mines an AMD Athlon 64 and I got 2 gig of ram....I can run GTA, CS:S and a load other games with ease.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Caion on November 28, 2010, 08:17:44 pm
The system is okay it will run alot of games. Because I got nearly the same videocard, GeForce 315, 512MB and it runs GTA IV on high specs smoothly. The I3 is dual core but its okay.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 28, 2010, 08:23:23 pm
And please state in your head that its a fucking present. I can't go asking them for an Alienware 1337 pc which costs OVER 1000 euros..
C'mon.. Don't expect me to buy a PC from 1000 euros..
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: StrikeFreedom on November 28, 2010, 08:24:13 pm
Show your references, where'd you find that bs?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe some common sense and from experience with i3 and i5 core processors?
One thing you must learn about the world of hardware and software. You never believe what the manufacturer (http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/processors/corei3.htm) tells you.

This will run GTA, Its got an i3 and 4 gig of ram...Mines an AMD Athlon 64 and I got 2 gig of ram....I can run GTA, CS:S and a load other games with ease.
RAM does not compensate for a good for nothing simpleton processor. It may have alot of power, but it is across one core.

(http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/12/Clarkdale-Test_Cinebench.png)

As you can see from the image, even my current out-of-date-by-two-three-years Core 2 Quad ranks higher than the i3, and it is a hell of alot cheaper too.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: StrikeFreedom on November 28, 2010, 08:28:28 pm
And please state in your head that its a f**king present. I can't go asking them for an Alienware 1337 pc which costs OVER 1000 euros..
C'mon.. Don't expect me to buy a PC from 1000 euros..

Alienware is overpriced trash owned by Dell. You can easily build a better PC by buying seperate parts for more than half of the price of an Alienware PC.
You can even get the system pre-built for you depending from where you buy the parts from. My current system was pre-built with just the case, the motherboard, processor, disk drives and hard disk drive. I added in a brand new GTX275 a year or so ago along with a new Asus sound card and it was cheaper than anything that could compare to it from a store.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 28, 2010, 08:34:42 pm
Oh, I don't know. Maybe some common sense and from experience with i3 and i5 core processors?
One thing you must learn about the world of hardware and software. You never believe what the manufacturer (http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/processors/corei3.htm) tells you.
RAM does not compensate for a good for nothing simpleton processor. It may have alot of power, but it is across one core.

(http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/12/Clarkdale-Test_Cinebench.png)

As you can see from the image, even my current out-of-date-by-two-three-years Core 2 Quad ranks higher than the i3, and it is a hell of alot cheaper too.
I don't need a desktop that plays Mafia II on extreme graphics, Just Cause 2 on extreme graphics, GTA IV on extreme graphics, or even FSX on extreme graphics.
I am not an extreme gamer..
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: dtlove on November 28, 2010, 08:43:06 pm
I dont see why you you all think you need a custom built PC to play games, or is a status thing now?

My PC is a business PC, it has an ATI Graphics card and thats it, It runs games and films and things like with easy, you don't need fancy custom builds for games.

As for Snyper, he's playing GTA SA, You can run that on a Celron 3... People play GTA on Net books...This PC is more than good enough for GTA.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Bilbo on November 29, 2010, 02:31:57 pm
If Snyper is only playing GTA SA, he could still get those components for no more than 300e.. so why paying almost 600e for it? :lol:
And you don't need to get a 1000e PC or an Alienware to play even Mafia 2 on extreme, the setup I posted on previous page does that just fine - for less than that poopbox you posted on first post. :D
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 29, 2010, 07:56:40 pm
If Snyper is only playing GTA SA, he could still get those components for no more than 300e.. so why paying almost 600e for it? :lol:
And you don't need to get a 1000e PC or an Alienware to play even Mafia 2 on extreme, the setup I posted on previous page does that just fine - for less than that poopbox you posted on first post. :D
Nvm, sucks more :P
I can also run some items temporarily till I myself can afford new ones right? :P
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Bilbo on November 29, 2010, 08:01:01 pm
Well, it seems to be almost equal good, but you could still have the same for cheaper price or buy a better setup for same price.
Your call.
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: HEJSURT on November 29, 2010, 08:01:22 pm
It looks good, I can only notice one problem and that is your graphics card. You should look for something above 512MB such as 1GB or even 2GB for the best gaming performance. Now building your own PC saves a lot of money and you'll get what you want.  And to reply to previous posts, Yes you can run GTA SA with this system that he is suggesting. The minimum requirements for GTA SA to work is 1 GHz CPU, 256 MB of RAM, graphics card with 64 MB RAM and 3.6 GB of free space on the hard disk  ;)
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 29, 2010, 08:03:46 pm
Well, it seems to be almost equal good, but you could still have the same for cheaper price or buy a better setup for same price.
Your call.
A problem, I don't want to build a computer myself ya' know.. I will try keep looking for a new one, which is better.
But all those desktops at Holland got Pentium Processors as like standard..
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: HEJSURT on November 29, 2010, 08:08:09 pm
A problem, I don't want to build a computer myself ya' know..
You can always go to a computer store and they'll put it together for you  :)
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: Kent on November 29, 2010, 08:10:33 pm
You can always go to a computer store and they'll put it together for you  :)
Still :razz:
I prefer buying seperate parts when I have already a finished desktop ;)
But serious.. Like all desktops here have Pentium, I am raging of it.......
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop
Post by: HEJSURT on November 29, 2010, 08:34:20 pm
Still :razz:
I prefer buying seperate parts when I have already a finished desktop ;)
Alright, it's your call  ;)
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop [Request lock]
Post by: Kent on November 29, 2010, 09:07:31 pm
Please lock it, I already made a decision ;)
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop [Request lock]
Post by: DellStorm on November 30, 2010, 12:11:20 pm
Hi Snyper,

Good Luck on the decision!

Happy Gaming,

Regards,

DellStorm
Title: Re: State your opinion - desktop [Request lock]
Post by: Todor on November 30, 2010, 05:40:18 pm
Guys, give up. Some people just don't have any brain cells.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe some common sense and from experience with i3 and i5 core processors?
One thing you must learn about the world of hardware and software. You never believe what the manufacturer (http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/processors/corei3.htm) tells you.
RAM does not compensate for a good for nothing simpleton processor. It may have alot of power, but it is across one core.

(http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/12/Clarkdale-Test_Cinebench.png)

As you can see from the image, even my current out-of-date-by-two-three-years Core 2 Quad ranks higher than the i3, and it is a hell of alot cheaper too.

You too. The I3 isn't a bad CPU, at all, for the price it's offered at. When you start clocking, pretty much ANY Core 2 Quad will fall behind because of structural limitations and heat.
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