Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Max. on November 29, 2010, 05:09:08 pm
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First let me start by saying, I myself am not homosexual.
I have noticed that people think that flaming homosexuals is appropriate behavior on Argonath. I have even seen an admin take part in it, yet if I was to say the word/abreviation "KKK" I would probably be banned for Racism.
How is this fair, people can flame and abuse homosexuals, all they want, and be egged on by some administrators, this is offensive to me, and I am honestly disgusted that people can be so inconsiderate towards others, as I have two homosexual friends whom know all too well the torment from others.
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I have noticed that people think that flaming homosexuals is appropriate behavior on Argonath. I have even seen an admin take part in it, yet if I was to say the word/abreviation "KKK" I would probably be banned for Racism.
Well,some people are mindless if its on that(No i am not flaming specified people,it's generally)and just insult,without worrying about how the other person could feel in that moment.You shouldn't interrupt there with such things.Instead of,try to make them stop or help the one,who is being flamed then :)
How is this fair, people can flame and abuse homosexuals, all they want, and be egged on by some administrators, this is offensive to me, and I am honestly disgusted that people can be so inconsiderate towards others, as I have two homosexual friends whom know all too well the torment from others.
You're not the only one,who sees it like that.Also not to forget,it's not only Ingame,sometimes at the forums(not sure where it exactly was).
As again said ; Don't hesitate to help the victim or to settle an arguement,if there is one.
Thats what i can say from my side :roll:
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You shouldn't interrupt there with such things.
when someone is being flamed, i always help, but in this situation the admins are doing some of the flaming aswell, /report is now useless.
i now realise my mistake in not taking a screenshot of the incident
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[email protected] with time, date and names.
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when someone is being flamed, i always help, but in this situation the admins are doing some of the flaming aswell, /report is now useless.
i now realise my mistake in not taking a screenshot of the incident
Of course,i understand.
I just meant with "interrupt with such things" ; Don't go like "KKK" .Because justice is err'where! :pop:
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I myself have seen some disgusting behaviour from few members of the Administration Team, and their lack of thought towards those they have offended is even more shameful. When the time comes I will be send an email regarding the behaviour and attitude of some members of the administration team.
I know very well what Syrus is on about, and something needs to be done, soon.
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I agree with that to be honest. Some Administrators can get away with taking part in offensive discussions which isn't really fair. Just take screenshots and report it to the email, you've got as much chance of something being done as you have by posting a topic.
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When such things happen, take screenshots and save the chatlogs and send them to [email protected].
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I have also witnessed this, but not from admins which is kinda shocking to hear. During CBF's time we didn't have these kind of problems (Not saying Managers+ aren't doing their Job) but they should be strict like CBF was.
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Its all good saying take screenshots, but people first thoughts aren't, 'Let me screen shot this', most people try and defend themselves, Its natural.
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Its all good saying take screenshots, but people first thoughts aren't, 'Let me screen shot this', most people try and defend themselves, Its natural.
This can also lead to heated discussions leading to flaming leading to someone having to request an unban, Which can be avoided by hitting F8 a couple of times and ignoring and sending those screen shots to an admin
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I agree totally Syrus!
Administrators are supposed to be people players look up to, as in any place of power. They should know that, and should treat everybody with the respect they deserve.
If we said anything, then off we go, kicked/banned, but administrators can get away with it because of who they are.
I think certain server admins should take a long look at how they treat some players in our community, IG, and on the forums.
This comment is not a generalisation of admins, indeed, some are very good, so please to not take offence if this does not apply to you. ;)
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This can also lead to heated discussions leading to flaming leading to someone having to request an unban, Which can be avoided by hitting F8 a couple of times and ignoring and sending those screen shots to an admin
Yes I know this all too well, but, as I said, people don't think about it, if they are being offended by someone, they're natural reaction is to defend themselves, not get evidence and moan about them.
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What the fuck this thing doing in Ideas now?
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/me wonders.. Why SA:MP General for this topic? Explanation???
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/me wonders.. Why SA:MP General for this topic? Explanation???
/me uses wizard power :
It's because it happened at SA:MP? :conf:
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I was witness to someone saying something very offensive about homosexuals, a admin immediately said LOL in all caps in main chat, I reported the guy who said it and the same admin punished him. :roll:
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Son, I am disappoint.
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Cero,when did that happen?
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Please continue making these threads, I'm truly amused.
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If you try to confront an admin about them you get banned. thats Why no one wants to call them out on it. Lucky some people are smart enough to report it to the proper place. Not saying confronting the admin is a good IDea, but its not right how admins are able to ban people for provoking or flaming, or even moaning, or this case, and then not take a care for when they do it themself. I have tried to PM an admin about what he did bad one time, you know what happened? I was told to be quiet. If a player were to not answer and just say 'stop asking me' you can bet they would be banned.
tl;dr: use [email protected] to report any admin breaking rules, even if its a little comment.
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I used to pretend to be homosexual for self amusement back in the day. People know I'm straight today, though. I didn't get such shitty treatment. The worst I got was the constant bombardment of "you're gay," which I can see how the ignorance would be so annoying to a homosexual person, as they are clearly and genuinely homosexual.
This is kind of exaggerating it, to be honest.
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I am homosexual and am deeply offended by people using incredibly offensive words I do not care for.
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I am homosexual and am deeply offended by people using incredibly offensive words I do not care for.
Thread.
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/me wonders.. Why SA:MP General for this topic? Explanation???
Because i thought it would be good for people to be able to see and respond on this issue, there is alot of people that would be offended if i said something racist, but are happy to flame homosexuals, and this should be an issue we need to face, and what i saw last night in SAMP ArgoRPG (Which is why its here) was disgusting.
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First let me start by saying, I myself am not homosexual.
I have noticed that people think that flaming homosexuals is appropriate behavior on Argonath. I have even seen an admin take part in it, yet if I was to say the word/abreviation "KKK" I would probably be banned for Racism.
How is this fair, people can flame and abuse homosexuals, all they want, and be egged on by some administrators, this is offensive to me, and I am honestly disgusted that people can be so inconsiderate towards others, as I have two homosexual friends whom know all too well the torment from others.
Report it to the email that is provided for reporting admins.
Along with screenshots and etc.
I cannot belivie people, and especially regulars, have failed to see that email.
And while you did not say all, implying that people on argonath is totaly ok with flaming homosexuality was an bold text of line to even mention. If i'm not mistaken, you are an admin on the stunt server. And I expect you to act like one. (That means, not start topics such as this one for example).
I myself and I do belivie that the rest of the administrations sure as hell is not okay with discriminating homosexual people or ridicule them. Especially not in the open. We all have opinions, some opinions better stay for yourself and not tell others.
However, most opinions still do not apply, for as an admin should strive to be as neutral as possible in situations.
Back on the case, I do hope you consider to report it to the mail next time something like this happens.
About confronting. The most common place for an confrotation happens in the open, that means right in main chat.
And for both players and admins, there is also an common reason why some choose to openly provoke another admin/player and confront them there, and that is simply to hope more catch on to gang up on that admin/player.
This is not an favorable option of confronting an admin/player, because you are only starting an fight, and dragging the server players along with it.
In short, we are not intrested in seeing fights in mainchat. Take it in private. What happens then, is between you two. (Still remember the email if things go way out of place)
And for some additional help, you might consider screenshooting the chatlogs ingame if for some reason you decide to confront an member of the administration team, to include with the email. However, DO so in PM, never ever in mainchat, that will only lead to eventual punishment. (And be polite, saying "fuck you racist bastard" or something of the impression is sure as hell not the right way, that counts for talking to players too)
I am almost neutral on this case, I do not agree with the homosexual way, however I do not flame them for that or discriminate them, not my power to judge them for what they want to do.
As for players who are doing this (flaming homosexuals, discriminating and talking shit) /report ID reason. Thank you, the case will be dealt with asap when we have time do so and got no other reports lying around that needs attention.
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If you try to confront an admin about them you get banned. thats Why no one wants to call them out on it.
Hello Jamal, you suprise me with this blackpainting of the admin team. IF you did your research correctly, you would see that the majority of confrotations mostly happen in the open, and not only that, also includes an sliver of flame and outright provoking.
Refer to what I told Syrus about for the advice if one should ever feel to confront an admin.
And yes, I did read that you also suggsested that one do so in PM, yet you blackpaint administration with this quote. Of course one can confront an admin. But not in mainchat or openly in forum like it was just another day (and I strongly point at doing that about players too. No fighting with players in mainchat and forums in the open, talking shit and provoke. Uneccessary).
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There is a topic relevant to this already in the politics board.
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Gird3r, the reason i have posted this is to show that i am disgusted that people could be openly flaming homosexuals. and i think that an open discussion on this issue would be nice, as some people think that its ok to flame homosexuals, whereas racism is a major issue.
if i wished to report the players in teh game i would have sent an email, as i do not, i didnt....
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Gird3r, the reason i have posted this is to show that i am disgusted that people could be openly flaming homosexuals.
Why are you complaining about homos getting flamed if you're not one? The gay people I know don't even care if the word 'fgt' or 'gay' is used to describe something unpleasant. It'd be like me calling an arab a towelhead and an asian taking offense to that.
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Why are you complaining about homos getting flamed if you're not one? The gay people I know don't even care if the word 'fgt' or 'gay' is used to describe something unpleasant. It'd be like me calling an arab a towelhead and an asian taking offense to that.
congratulations, your a racist bastard :)
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A simple solution is to ignore those which choose to make such fools of themselves and harass those which have a different orientation to others.
As calling someone whom may or may not be "homosexual" a faggot or anything in similar meaning over an online game has no real harm to those which are being harassed, they must simply ignore those that say such things as those which mock do not know these members in real life, but merely over a game which provides them with nothing to judge those others by, they do not know them personally therefore anything they say is more than likely made up and a load of shit which they have said to try affect or harm others online.
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congratulations, your a racist bastard :)
How was that post racist?
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congratulations, your a racist bastard :)
no flame...
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The gay people I know don't even care if the word 'fgt' or 'gay' is used to describe something unpleasant.
And of those you don't know, there are actually quite a lot that take offence to such statements.
It'd be like me calling an arab a towelhead and an asian taking offense to that.
Maybe it's not the case where you come from, but it's actually quite normal to be considerate for the well being of someone other than yourself.
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Maybe it's not the case where you come from, but it's actually quite normal to be considerate for the well being of someone other than yourself.
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I don't get it.
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I'm not sure how else to explain it, but the point is that it's not abnormal to take offence when witnessing someone else become the victim to such racism.
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I'm not sure how else to explain it, but the point is that it's not abnormal to take offence when witnessing someone else become a victim to such racism.
?????? but that person is not you?
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I can't explain to you what is caring for other people, but that's what it is.
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/me wonders.. Why SA:MP General for this topic? Explanation???
Because it's about SAMP? :trust:
Maybe it's not the case where you come from, but it's actually quite normal to be considerate for the well being of someone other than yourself.
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I don't get it.
?????? but that person is not you?
Yea I don't really get it either.
I care for other people but it isn't my place to say what should offend them.
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I care for other people but it isn't my place to say what should offend them.
It's not that you're saying whether something should offend someone or not, but that you're reacting to something that you already know someone would be offended by. However, even if the particular person involved may not be as phased to such statements, that's not to say you don't take offence to the general racism involved.
I don't care whether it's to me or someone else, but I don't take kindly to that sort of blatant racism.
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First of all, I expect from all players and especially from the admin team full respect towards others. That regardless of religion, sexuality or any kind of personal issues with others.
If anything happened that should be adressed, I am happy to read the mail.
Contrary to what many people believe, sending screenshots is not needed or even good enough as proof.
Argonath has the best possible logging system, and by giving the server time and description of events we are fully capable of finding out what happened and who was guilty.
With that remember that we will not just look at the phrase of the screenshot, but also what happened before and after that. If you provoke, bait or decide to take matters in your own hand and still complain, do not expect good results. However all complaints are taken serious.
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I myself don't agree with homosexuality, but still, I dont flame them
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However, even if the particular person involved may not be as phased to such statements, that's not to say you don't take offence to the general racism involved.
Well it is to me, because I pretty much never take personal offence to anything.
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Then it's just a matter of us being different.
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Contrary to what many people believe, sending screenshots is not needed or even good enough as proof.
Argonath has the best possible logging system, and by giving the server time and description of events we are fully capable of finding out what happened and who was guilty.
Good to know.
*Gird3r opens the personal admin book of arcane knowledge and writes down some notes in Gird3rlation language.
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Also please remember there's a difference between saying "THAT'S SO GAY" "YOU'RE SO GAY" "gay" and "Haha, you're a faggot and deserve to burn in hell!". I hope you can distinguish between the two, and do not start arguments in the server such as "omg he used the word gay in the wrong context ban !!"
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congratulations, your a racist bastard :)
From this you imply that homosexuals are a race and putting them in their own little category waiting to be segregated.
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From this you imply that homosexuals are a race and putting them in their own little category waiting to be segregated.
I think you know what Syrus means, if I'm being perfectly honest. Because he typed it wrong, doesn't mean you can jump on him.
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Jump on him like a gay man on cock?
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Send email to [email protected], no moan please.
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Jump on him like a gay man on cock?
Erm...I'm getting the impression that you're homophobic.
Its like saying, "Jump on him like a woman on a cock" to a straight woman.
Relationships aren't just about sex, maybe you just haven't realised that yet. It isn't right to presume that all gay men want is sex, its just an untrue stereotype.
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I just assume that all gay men want my arsehole so I have to cover it when I am around them :wow:
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Ollie, not surprising that you are a homophobe, especially given that you live in a small town..
Topic locked. If you want to discuss about this, there is a topic in politics and religion.