Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Jamal on December 24, 2010, 07:10:29 am
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[going to write short story because I just spent 20 minutes writing one and accidently tabbed or something and exited out of page, losing what I wrote.
Kidnapping happens. Jamal [ARPD officer] and LT Jingle_Bowling formulate a plan to save the hostage, but due to the amount of police officers, probably around 12 or so, concocting a plan had to be done in a CB channel because there is so much talk. Eventually the craziness ends and everyone knows the plan. It was either Jingle Bowling and I go in and pretend to offer the demands (20 grand) in a suitcase, and when the kidnapper is distracted, Jingle gives the go and he disarms the kidnapper and all the policemen storm in and save the hostage.
But, 2 men, [KI]Kirby, and [WS]Ben_Sammir, have decided to join in. After not discussing anything with any persaon, they walk up to the door and Jingle, obviously trying to get a new plan, suggests Ben and himself enter in. Without Kirby and ben even discussing, they both enter along with ARPD officers and ruin the whole roleplay for all of the policemen.
the blood of the hostage Spilled, and he was pronounced dead on the scene. You wonder why? Probably because of 2 policemen... can you guess who? Yeah, well when Jamal asked one of the policemen, he gave no response, the other had a jolly time and attempted to troll Jamal, refusing to answer.
The End.
So, yeah, after a 20 minute plan and roleplay situation, 2 cool dudes come in and decide to take over without consulting me or I don't think Jingle_Bowling and costs the hostage's life.
Now, the point of this: What do you think about 'renegade' policemen who constantly cause trouble and do their own thing even though everyone else has a plan?
NO MOANING IN THIS TOPIC PLEASE...
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SRU-SWAT are the most efficent officers in SAPD, they are trained to go in and end situations with as little casualties as possible, Argonaths government does not give out ransoms for kidnappers, the kidnappers are given one chance to give up, if they refuse, they are to be shot on sight. SRU-SWAT are trained on this basis, and worked under government instruction, there will always be casualties in circumstances like these. You make an omelette without breaking any eggs.
(This is from a non SRU member, I'm a regular criminal, who gets into heated debates with SRU members on a daily basis, and I'm the one explaining this - bit ironic dont you think?)
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SRU-SWAT are the most efficent officers in SAPD, they are trained to go in and end situations with as little casualties as possible, Argonaths government does not give out ransoms for kidnappers, the kidnappers are given one chance to give up, if they refuse, they are to be shot on sight. SRU-SWAT are trained on this basis, and worked under government instruction, there will always be casualties in circumstances like these. You make an omelette without breaking any eggs.
(This is from a non SRU member, I'm a regular criminal, who gets into heated debates with SRU members on a daily basis, and I'm the one explaining this - bit ironic dont you think?)
Its not really how they did it, although that was pretty bad too, it was just that they completely ignored everyone and randomly appeared after everyone had a plan and ruined everything and then refused to respond when I asked them why. For the record, later one of the two were banned. If it was for this situation, I'm not sure. but it was for something about abusing cop rights I think.
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Its not really how they did it, although that was pretty bad too, it was just that they completely ignored everyone and randomly appeared after everyone had a plan and ruined everything and then refused to respond when I asked them why. For the record, later one of the two were banned. If it was for this situation, I'm not sure. but it was for something about abusing cop rights I think.
Next time you see Ben in game - /rank him - you do not order him about.
Kirby was later banned for "cop abuse" because, lets be honest, he suspected an admin who didnt want to be suspected.
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As the kidnapper, I was an eye witness that it was infact ARPD officers that stormed the building first, not Ben Samiir and Kirby. Although the role play was cut short, we should remember that this was a community based event whereas all players are free to implement their ways of role playing. It can be upsetting for a role play to carry on not the way you pleased, but we should also learn to place ourselves outside our comfort zone and be open to all distractions that take the situation in different directions. When dealing with an excommunicated player, I'd recommend visiting this topic (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59656.0).
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Next time you see Ben in game - /rank him - you do not order him about.
Kirby was later banned for "cop abuse" because, lets be honest, he suspected an admin who didnt want to be suspected.
In a situation like this, he had virtually little or no idea on the situation. He appeared in 2 minutes and ended it then. He should at least hold the decency to ask who is in charge. And why must he be in charge because his rank? Jingle Bowling allowed me to help him create a plane and other Ranked officers were following. Keep in mind i am an ARPD officer.
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Well duh, Its Ben the Batman and Kirby the Robin..what else have you expected really..
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In a situation like this, he had virtually little or no idea on the situation. He appeared in 2 minutes and ended it then. He should at least hold the decency to ask who is in charge. And why must he be in charge because his rank? Jingle Bowling allowed me to help him create a plane and other Ranked officers were following. Keep in mind i am an ARPD officer.
Where ranks are concerned, in police duties, the highest rank officer is to be breifed on arrival, and control is their, unless they state otherwise, no member of any policing force may take charge over a higher rank by their choice, even if they work in different departments, ultimatly, the highest rank officer calls the shots, unless they put someone else in charge, in your story, nowhere does it say "ben came up and sed ur in charge and then pew pewed them".
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Where ranks are concerned, in police duties, the highest rank officer is to be breifed on arrival, and control is their, unless they state otherwise, no member of any policing force may take charge over a higher rank by their choice, even if they work in different departments, ultimatly, the highest rank officer calls the shots, unless they put someone else in charge, in your story, nowhere does it say "ben came up and sed ur in charge and then pew pewed them".
What is this I dont even..
did you read my last post at all? He was not briefed on the situation is the first problem. Second problem he did not obey anyone else's askings and basically it looks like he came in to shoot people, not save the hostage.
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What is this I dont even..
did you read my last post at all? He was not briefed on the situation is the first problem. Second problem he did not obey anyone else's askings and basically it looks like he came in to shoot people, not save the hostage.
Yes I did, and I bet at no point did you say "Ben, wait, heres what is happening..." In a 207, SRU are trained to be in charge, not go about asking everyone for information, in a hostage situation, speed is a key element, and unless you were to approach him and explain it, he would have no idea you were "calling the shots"
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As the kidnapper, I was an eye witness that it was infact ARPD officers that stormed the building first, not Ben Samiir and Kirby.
Someone has a problem reading so let me explain this for you. THIS IS THE KIDNAPPERS POST. READ IT.
Ben and i entered.
Free cops were already inside shooting Munna by the time we got inside
Hostage died, Munna died, i died.
Oh and stop moaning kid. Nobody gives a crap what you think, say or do.
I'd get those eyes checked out though, just some friendly advice.
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Yes I did, and I bet at no point did you say "Ben, wait, heres what is happening..." In a 207, SRU are trained to be in charge, not go about asking everyone for information, in a hostage situation, speed is a key element, and unless you were to approach him and explain it, he would have no idea you were "calling the shots"
LOL so SRU is now king of 207? I'm sorry that I wished to roleplay someone important for once instead of being pushed around by dark blue characters and actually have a say in something. I could not approach ben because he would not respond to me. not even afterwards.
Someone has a problem reading so let me explain this for you. THIS IS THE KIDNAPPERS POST. READ IT.
Ben and i entered.
Free cops were shooting Munna by the time we got inside
Hostage died, Munna died, i died.
Oh and stop moaning kid. Nobody gives a crap what you think.
OK there. Say what you want, I have already said what I want. I am not moaning. I am not a kid. Nobody gives a crap what I think, but you seem to have spent your time posting about what i said??? did i miss something? P.S. you tried to troll me when I asked you why you did what you did afterwards saying 'Jamal whats wrong man, calm down and sit 10 minutes.' Its funny how now your banned, your the one calming down and sitting. Its too bad you got what you deserved, isn't it...
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LOL so SRU is now king of 207? I'm sorry that I wished to roleplay someone important for once instead of being pushed around by dark blue characters and actually have a say in something. I could not approach ben because he would not respond to me. not even afterwards.
I hope you dont have an application in SAPD, 207's always deem SWAT attendance, if they are available.
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Kirby was later banned for "cop abuse" because, lets be honest, he suspected an admin who didnt want to be suspected.
Don't tell stories you don't know.
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Without Kirby and ben even discussing, they both enter along with ARPD officers and ruin the whole roleplay for all of the policemen.
Correction, Kirby and Ben were coordinating on Teamspeak. I was there along with other ARPD officers.
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Man its just a roleplay. no need to make a topic about how your rp was ruined. Its not like theyll get in trouble for it?
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Unlike the majority of criminal groups, SWAT operates on a different level altogether. The group is run by strict protocols, heavy communication and underlying friendship for one another. SWAT comprises of experienced officers coupled with time tested experienced with large crime groups. Through personal interaction with the majority of high profile criminals, they are in a good position to judge whether they can deal with a situation peacefully or through brute force. This group is highly organised and what they lack in local chat, they make up for vividly in teamspeak.
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Now, the point of this: What do you think about 'renegade' policemen who constantly cause trouble and do their own thing even though everyone else has a plan?
NO MOANING IN THIS TOPIC PLEASE...
Well... I like how you made this topic and request that there be no moaning, yet the initial post from you seems to be just that... moaning.
And I like how you added a question at the end to make it seem like theres a point to this topic, yet straight after you say to not moan. Yet, the question you asked is a magnet for moaning.
What can I say, this topic seems flawed and pointless to me. Maybe I'm not seeing the point to it...
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I just wonder how a kidnapper knows if there was coordination on police radio or not.
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Don't tell stories you don't know.
Bluefox sorry to bust your bubble but arent you the admins who temp-banned me 60 mins for saying in local chat in rp fashion "canadians cant drive" to Kirby who was driving at the time in police chase and crashed into a wall.
LOL so SRU is now king of 207? I'm sorry that I wished to roleplay someone important for once instead of being pushed around by dark blue characters and actually have a say in something.
So what you saying is you wanted to play the man in charge of the scene and did not care wether hostage is rescued or not as long as you calling the shots.
Making topics because no one followed your orders? what a pity mayn
This indeed is a story, a cool one
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SRU-SWAT are the most efficent officers in SAPD, they are trained to go in and end situations with as little casualties as possible
What I see is a bunch of armoured people who loves to shoot and forgot about /me.
And don't tell me that telling opinions ain't allowed.
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^ true
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You are still complaining about this shit? Wow. I was part of this roleplay, and I ain't even mad about what happened.
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You are still complaining about this shit? Wow. I was part of this roleplay, and I ain't even mad about what happened.
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/73/I_aint_even_mad.jpg)
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Correction, Kirby and Ben were coordinating on Teamspeak. I was there along with other ARPD officers.
No offence, but you cannot assume all officers involved have TS
/cb is much more effective in my opinion
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No offence, but you cannot assume all officers involved have TS
/cb is much more effective in my opinion
From experience, teamspeak is far more effective where I have been involved, /cb can be missed, if theres a lot of chat, but one or two people talking is easier.
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From experience, teamspeak is far more effective where I have been involved, /cb can be missed, if theres a lot of chat, but one or two people talking is easier.
Agreed. In TS you can actually see one at a time conversation.
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No offence, but you cannot assume all officers involved have TS
/cb is much more effective in my opinion
No offence taken, since I did not at all assume all officers who were involved had TS. I KNOW many officers were not even on TS.
Also, you cannot even say that /cb is more effective than Teamspeak unless you have used both methods of communication. Teamspeak allows you to actually play the game while communicating, whereas /cb limits you to a certain amount of information and requires you to stop gameplay to type something in the chat.
Might as well have used /r if the chat was going to be used anyway... or even /l as all the police were in one area.
/cb is not more effective than Teamspeak.
Although, I do agree that those who can't use Teamspeak somehow need to find out what is being discussed; therefore important information should be explained in the chat to avoid confusion when action is taken... that is a weak spot when you have half a group on TS and the rest using chat not knowing what is going on.
However, I don't think there is a lot that can be done to solve this problem unless someone is assigned to echo important things in the chat which are said on TS.
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I KNOW many officers were not even on TS.
Exactly what I meant. No communication to other officers on the scene. I was never even aware there was a Teamspeak for the 207.
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Exactly what I meant. No communication to other officers on the scene. I was never even aware there was a Teamspeak for the 207.
Which is why the most dedicated cops are coinstantly on teamspeak.
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Exactly what I meant. No communication to other officers on the scene. I was never even aware there was a Teamspeak for the 207.
Usually we use TeamSpeak as form of communication however while 1 person talks on TS there is another one talking in radio and updating ingame units while others update teamspeak units.
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Usually we use TeamSpeak as form of communication however while 1 person talks on TS there is another one talking in radio and updating ingame units while others update teamspeak units.
My name is Leon Gvardia, and I, a teamspeak user, can say this post is not utter bullshit.
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Usually we use TeamSpeak as form of communication however while 1 person talks on TS there is another one talking in radio and updating ingame units while others update teamspeak units.
I see. Well that makes sense. Then the problem was that no one was transferring updates from TS to in-game.
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2007: "Great job in the 207, mate. Let's do that again sometime."
2010: "WTF, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY IT DIDN'T WORK OUT!!!!"
2013:
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2007: "Great job in the 207, mate. Let's do that again sometime."
2010: "WTF, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY IT DIDN'T WORK OUT!!!!"
2013:
>searching for problems
>try to correct them
>correcting mistakes rather than leaving them there
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I wonder if anyone even got the message behind me leaving "2013" blank. :neutral:
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a.) The World doesn't end in 2012
b.) Argonath will still be around in 2013
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Good idea but wrong answer, guess again.
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good story!