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Title: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 10, 2011, 01:45:41 am

Current processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz

Available upgrades:
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Socket type: 775
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:

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      Core 2 Duo E6x00
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      Core 2 Duo E4x00
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      Pentium D 9x0 Dual Core
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      Pentium D 8xx Dual Core
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      Pentium 4 6x1 series
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      Celeron D 3xx series


So what should I use? What would be best?.
Motherboard: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00864946&lc=en&cc=us#N99 (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00864946&lc=en&cc=us#N99)
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: EliteTerm on January 10, 2011, 10:26:19 am
Well, it's best to get Intel Core 2 Duo.. it's powerful than the Pentium and Celeron series.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Bilbo on January 10, 2011, 02:36:51 pm
The first one.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Roadkill on January 11, 2011, 12:18:21 am
The first one would be the best choice. If you can afford it get a core 2 quad. :)
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: EliteTerm on January 11, 2011, 12:45:36 am
The first one would be the best choice. If you can afford it get a core 2 quad. :)

Don't think his mobo supports Quads.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Neave on January 11, 2011, 02:57:48 am
if budget is a problem, and replacing the motherboard isnt an option, then i'd say to go with a Core2 Duo e7500. its stock speed is 2.93GHz.

the E series of core 2 duos are very overclockable too. i have the e7200 2.53GHz overclocked to 3.5GHz on the stock fan
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Roadkill on January 11, 2011, 02:00:28 pm
Well if your motherboard doesn't support quads and money isn't a problem then I'd recommend: http://ow.ly/3BKd1 (http://ow.ly/3BKd1) but if money isn't an issue anyway I'd just buy a new mobo and get a core i5.
If money is a real issue then I'd recommend: http://ow.ly/3BKgB (http://ow.ly/3BKgB)
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Wayne on January 15, 2011, 07:26:03 am
Apparently, i like the motherboard due to it is ASUS, a trustable manufacturer.
But the motherboard is not so good, it doesn't offer good options to upgrade.

But well, for upgrade, you must make sure your power supply will suport this configuration... (the most important piece that people always forget)

The core E6700 seems to be a good option so far. (E6750 And E6850 won't work well in your motherboard, their bus speed are 1333mhz)

E6700 - 4M Cache, 2.66 GHz,
Should be enough to run GTA IV on medium settings, if you have a good video card.


Honestly, if i were you, i would change this mobo to a new and better one, that suports I7 series or Phenom II
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on February 04, 2011, 11:27:24 pm
I'll go with:   Core 2 Duo E6x00

Except.

I CANNOT FIND THE EXACT MODEL T.T , none with "E6x00" maaaan
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Wayne on February 04, 2011, 11:43:20 pm
save cash to upgrade motherboard and put a better processor ;D

Dual cores like Exxx, and quads like Qxxxx are old, get a nice i3/i5/i7 or Phenom II from AMD.


OR, wait till AMD's bulldozer series gets released. prices are going to crash.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Salmonella on February 05, 2011, 12:31:57 am
Nothing wrong with a Core 2 Quad / Duo. :)
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Alarba on February 05, 2011, 01:18:17 am
wait till prices crash.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Wayne on February 05, 2011, 05:49:58 am
Nothing wrong with a Core 2 Quad / Duo. :)
they are still able to run recent games, but they're "past" technology.
if you're buying one now, in next two years or less, they're going to be like a Pentium 4 compared to today.

i3 and i5 surpasses Core 2 quad/duo in perfomance, power, overclock, etc...

i7 is not really recomended due to price, but when the prices crash (when bulldozer series gets released) it is sure a good choice.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: TheRock on February 05, 2011, 10:32:14 am
It's just all new technology, not useless CPUs ;).

And yes, as for me, his mobo wont be able to run Quads, because Core 2 Quads (EXCEPTION TO Q6600) are build on 45nm technology, while Core 2 Duos and Q6600 are 60nm..

I never had any trouble with my E6400(2,0) in past.. 2 of my friends also got E6300 (1,8) and another one.. at 2,2.. Through none had problem running games such as IV.. Anyways, if I were you, I'd go for E6700 as Wayne said, or a E6400.

if you're buying one now, in next two years or less, they're going to be like a Pentium 4 compared to today.

That's impossible, because more and more games will start taking advantage of multi-core rendering :). So that means, that you can't compare an 'even' old (in your words) Quad, with 1-core old CPU which can run nothing.

And still, people who don't look to spend over $1000 on a PC, A Core 2 Quad is a very cheap and very good solution for gaming. I've taken my C2Q Q9400 (2,66 Ghz // 6MB L2 Cache) brand new, for only 180 Euros!
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Alessandro on February 07, 2011, 08:59:41 am
Well,for someone that isnt cheap :) And it all depend on Socket not on architecture. So if Motherboard support 775 Socket,it will support all kind of Core 2 Quad processors. People just need to realize that in Intel - Core 2 Duo is same as Dual Core just because of commercial reason they have different name. Even E3300 (which is Celeron) on same clock can be compared with all processors from E8xx,E7xx,E6xx,E5xx and E4xx Series. In games curentlly cash/cache memory is almost useless so its allways better to watch on lower-cost solution :)
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: DellStorm on February 08, 2011, 06:42:57 am
Hi [NP]Monte Montague (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6707)

Intel Core 2 Duo E7600 3.06GHz Socket 775 1066Mhz 3MB Cache Processor

It is better than the rest you have mentioned. You are looking to upgrade from an old motherboard. Be sure to look at what Memory options are available. You should find that DDR2 Ram is considerably cheaper when it was when you first purchased your system.

Might I recommend also, for a better improvement, spending the time to look at Solid State Drives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) This might be the better option for you rather than spending money on a processor that is not on par with the newer varieties.

Regards, IV:MP Manager [TCL]DellStorm
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Roadkill on February 27, 2011, 11:19:46 pm
I just had a quick look around for you... If you're on a budget but want to upgrade your computer and make it a little more futureproof at the same time then do what I'd do buy the following items...


Sub total = 140.96
+ 27.38 Vat
+ 5.95 Delivery
= 164.29

I dunno what GPU you have but this is what you can achieve with this setup depending on your GPU ofc.
Call Of Duty: Black Ops KFA2 GTS450 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxI-u8MAibY#ws)

But if you're just after a CPU then the CPU DellStorm mentioned is great.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Todor on March 03, 2011, 06:06:34 pm
Pointless to upgrade the CPU with your motherboard. Get either an I3 rig, a different mobo,Q9450 and DDR3 or forget about it and spend more on a GPU.
Hi [NP]Monte Montague (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6707)

Intel Core 2 Duo E7600 3.06GHz Socket 775 1066Mhz 3MB Cache Processor

It is better than the rest you have mentioned. You are looking to upgrade from an old motherboard. Be sure to look at what Memory options are available. You should find that DDR2 Ram is considerably cheaper when it was when you first purchased your system.

Might I recommend also, for a better improvement, spending the time to look at Solid State Drives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) This might be the better option for you rather than spending money on a processor that is not on par with the newer varieties.

Regards, IV:MP Manager [TCL]DellStorm

I'm sorry but spending money on an SSD now with a rig like his is pointless as it won't bring any improvement to games whatsoever except when it comes to loading times.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Salmonella on March 04, 2011, 11:57:31 am
HDD's don't improve gaming in any way... no matter specs.

By the way, i think everyone is underestimating the Core 2 processors. I currently use a E4300 and a Q8200, Don't need better stuff than a quad core for audio engineering, gaming, simulation, triple screen and photoshop ( sometimes :D ).

If you're upgrading it, for around 100 bucks you can get a Q6600 on ebay or something. Duo Cores go away much cheaper overall though.

I would never get AMD stuff unless it's to sell it later. Also, getting one of these new sockets ( for some reasons these dumbasses at Intel made 7 different ( ? ) sockets ) isn't smart neither, I would wait for a socket that lives a little longer.

Gr. Salmonella
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Todor on March 05, 2011, 06:58:01 pm
Something that lives longer than usual for Intel means 1366 - I7 920+ family. On the other hand a decent AM3 CPU can be put into an AM3+ socket mobo once Bulldozer is out.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: iDavid on March 05, 2011, 10:55:08 pm
Get a new motherboard, stick to a MSI with.. 1366 Socket and just hit the big shot and sort out a Intel i7 950 ;) I'm lovin' it!
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Alarba on March 06, 2011, 12:43:21 am
HDD's don't improve gaming in any way...
Orly?
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Todor on March 06, 2011, 12:13:25 pm
Except loading times, yes, really.
Get a new motherboard, stick to a MSI with.. 1366 Socket and just hit the big shot and sort out a Intel i7 950 ;) I'm lovin' it!

Stick to Asus and Gigabyte instead with 1366 - where the real clocks are.

Orly?

Except for loading times, yes, really. And if he gets an SSD in such an old rig it wont change loading times anyway.
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Leon_Mokomaki on March 06, 2011, 10:20:20 pm
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Stick to Asus and Gigabyte instead with 1366 - where the real clocks are.
1155*
2500k's run very well at 5ghz and theyre overclockable to 4ghz with the stock cooler.
i5 2500 beats and 1366 socket I7 at stock clocks also. (Discluding 6 cores. But in gaming i5 2500k beats I7-990X any time)
Title: Re: Looking at CPU upgrade.
Post by: Todor on March 06, 2011, 10:59:46 pm
1155*
2500k's run very well at 5ghz and theyre overclockable to 4ghz with the stock cooler.
i5 2500 beats and 1366 socket I7 at stock clocks also. (Discluding 6 cores. But in gaming i5 2500k beats I7-990X any time)

That's crap and you know it. Due to chipset limitations the 1155 socket will never be as good as 1366 at anything as remotely connected to gaming as you can think as it bottlenecks powerful graphics cards. Did you notice the reccall they had on 1155 boards? That was also due to the chipset killing HDDs and slowing down over time. Also those massive clocks are achieved solely by upping the multiplier on the 1155s which is just plain retarded. They may have an immense memory bandwidth, however it doesn't employ DDR3 which is also a retarded move by Intel. Sorry but 1366 is still where it's at and anyone who says something opposite to that obviously hasn't read enough.
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