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Title: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 24, 2011, 03:25:38 pm

City-hall,
Munsee Avenue,
Dukes
Liberty City

Government Palace
Diomond St.
Algoquin
Liberty City




Dear Liberty City,

I am here today to make clear that there is a serious need for Liberty City to have a structured & diverse government.

The State Liberty City, State of United States of Argonath RPG is at a key stage in it's future. I beleive that a structured & diverse government is needed because the State of Liberty City would benefit from it and if it did not it would face grievous repercussion.

I beleive the above because, It is basic common sense that without proper organization any scenario is most likely to fail, even a waste storage facility (city dump) would fail - for example: the treatment of hazardous waste.

I propose the following (in no significant order) Ministry's, Departments, and or Authority's be created and are adopted, supported and established by the prime minister.


     * The Governor of Liberty City

Responsible for management of Liberty City Cabinet, works directly under the Primeinister in LC on a National scale.

The Governor is the leadership of the Cabinet in Liberty City & Liberty City affairs, works under the Prime-minister.


     * The Ministry of Finance & Economy
Responsible and in charge of all regulations, laws etc of public finance, the economy, the regulations of banks and business's.  Also a main department of the Cabinet.
         
The Minister would have the status of "Finance Minister"  in the Cabinet.


     * The Ministry of Homeland Affairs - 
Responsible and in charge of all affairs related to Citizenship, foreign affairs, immigration, also a main department in the Cabinet.

The Minister would have the status of "Home Secretary" in the Cabinet.

     * The Ministry of Defense & Security
Responsible for all homeland security + defense affairs, they will be structured like this: NOOSE > ARPD (LCPD, FBI, TRU (Tactical Response Unit ), Armed Forces.  Also a main department of the cabinet.
           
The Minister would have the status of  "Defense Secretary" in the Cabinet.



     * The Ministry of Housing
Responsible and in charge of all affairs of Housing in the State of Liberty City.

The Minister would have the status of "Minister of Housing" in the Cabinet.

     * The Ministry of Communications & Media
Responsible and in charge  of all affairs of Communications; phones, internet, etc... & Media; advertising, news, etc...
           
The Minister would have the status of  "Minister of Communications" in the Cabinet.


     * The Ministry of Public Transport & Traffic
Responsible and in charge of all regulations, law, etc of Public Transport; Bus services, trains, taxis, etc...  & Traffic - Regulations of roads + licensing of public, etc
         
The Minister would have the status of "Minister of Public Transport & Traffic" in the Cabinet.



These are all the main ministry of which I suggest, but there are more that could come if needed.
Some of these ministry's may already exist in one way or another & may need simply to be restructured / structured.

I hope our dear Prime-Minister & Governor think seriously about this letter, and will continue to do good by us.


Forever a servant of Argonath RPG,

Monte Montague

HRH Lord Monte Montague NP.







Although I understand that there are some risks with just giving anyone a role, these roles can be filled by non admins, those perhaps with scripted support - such as Housing Minister would be able to /sethouse in game, he would have around 4 staff who can also set houses.
Finance Minister could form two authorities with co-operation with Housing.
etc. Minister of Public Transport, Traffic could set driving schools in-game from simple command such as /createDS "LCDS" . Or place cars.

I do not think that it should be limited at all to just admins, and I am sure that even current admins agree.

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: Norrage on January 24, 2011, 03:39:34 pm

Sounds good :D

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 24, 2011, 05:00:54 pm

Quote from: Twenty on January 24, 2011, 03:39:34 pm

Sounds good :D

Yes, yes it does.  :cool:

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: Martin. on January 24, 2011, 06:49:18 pm

I think its a very good idea!

Quote from: [NP]Monte Montague on January 24, 2011, 03:25:38 pm

Also, I do not think all ministers should have to be admins, players who are not admins can do as good job, and can be trusted as good

Word on that.

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: Jack_Tyler on January 26, 2011, 01:33:56 am

Very nice idea I was thinking about the same that someone has to be in charge of f.e the houses.
BUT we have to minimize the corruption possibilites that these important posts give. For example I wouldn't like to see some guy recieving a house for free or very, very low price because he had the idea & later he can sell it for 10 times the price he bought it for when it was scripted. I think once the scripters have fixed the most essential things such as legal jobs (next to PD) & ability to create drugs/Weapons (need to remove the /wep ofcourse) >> THEN they could let's say create 10 working houses available for purchase to live in and a couple of businesses such as restaurants and pubs.
When this 1st wave of scripted buildings are created there will be a public bidding on these in a thread created for each house under a topic set for the bidding.

HOWEVER this will be VERY unfair if people are able to transfer money from the SA-MP server, they'll end up continuing with their advantages against the new player here. I'm a new guy here without anything so that's an easy position for me to say that however the fact remains, do we want NEW people to start on this server & play and make it grow into a huge RP-community actively competing for dominance in Liberty City or do we want the SA-MP oldschool players to be able to buy everything they want whilst the new players break their backs on legal jobs trying to earn cash for weeks to buy a car?
THIS is a dilemma we ultimately have to face, I think its up to you old guys as well as the new guys to discuss this over a period of time (There is no rush) and later have a vote about it. It might be hard for the oldschool people to lose their money they've earned but look at it this way, GTA4 is like an expansion of Argonath and with an expansion the old stuff becomes useless and hence MUCH, much more friendly for the new players as they are able to compete on the same basis.

Just some thoughts to inspire awareness & discussion!

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: Devin on January 26, 2011, 01:37:13 am

Look at it this way, if we had not brought cash across from SAMP, there wouldnt be events and donations given to help out players.  ;)

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: Jack_Tyler on January 26, 2011, 01:49:04 am

Quote from: MadBoi_Seville on January 26, 2011, 01:37:13 am

Look at it this way, if we had not brought cash across from SAMP, there wouldnt be events and donations given to help out players.  ;)

I think that's really the point why we (The fresh arrivals) do not want this system. You handout a "donation", but it might be 10k and you got 3 million, it will just be a direct transfer from the SA project to the GTA IV and no jump into a new world of competition. -- But Like I said everyone needs to discuss this it might not be easy for people to give up on their earned cash. I do know however that if this realm is cleaned out of cash & a good economic system with as low corruption as possible the fresh arrivals will more happily stay than if people are driving around in fancy cars and got guns (when the /wep is removed) whilst they have to drive a cab for shit paycheck for weeks to even afford a car -- "I've been there, now it's their turn" That might be true, but what say that the fresh arrivals hasn't done that too on another server? And what's the point of all this? That we can create a huge community with active & dedicated role-players "oldschool" players along with fresh arrivals or boost the corruption & inflation of the old money to the new server?

PS: Need an edconomical advisor for the new server? I'll gladly contribue with my expertise.

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on January 26, 2011, 03:11:49 am

There's another one: Economic Minister.

All ministers will have to work together, which is a good thing!.
I hope the governor is as enthusiastic as me in this idea, it'd benefit Liberty City very much.

Ministers can hire people who can receive a wage from the government, more jobs.
This also can provide the ARPD with more tasks (which can be fun) - protecting ministers and ministry's, there are many nice looking buildings such as University  that can be used for parliament house.


It can only be done if approved and setup (perhaps with assistance) from the Governor or the president / prime-minister .

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: Jack_Tyler on January 26, 2011, 08:38:02 am

Quote from: [NP]Monte Montague on January 26, 2011, 03:11:49 am

There's another one: Economic Minister.

All ministers will have to work together, which is a good thing!.
I hope the governor is as enthusiastic as me in this idea, it'd benefit Liberty City very much.

Ministers can hire people who can receive a wage from the government, more jobs.
This also can provide the ARPD with more tasks (which can be fun) - protecting ministers and ministry's, there are many nice looking buildings such as University  that can be used for parliament house.


It can only be done if approved and setup (perhaps with assistance) from the Governor or the president / prime-minister .

Glad to hear you like my idea & added some to it, sounds nice :)

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on February 05, 2011, 04:52:40 am

First post completely restructured, decide whether you still agree.

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: David_Carter on February 05, 2011, 06:01:02 am

I can see you really took some time to think this out. It sounds very unique, and i think it would work out quite nicely  :)

This could create some new RP scenarios as well. Great idea  :D

-Tony Salvador <-------

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Jcstodds on February 07, 2011, 09:16:34 pm

  It would be interesting to have a government. It was never really developed in SA:MP, because of the extremely large effort it would require and general lack of interest.



  Also, can I be the Minister of Common Sense?

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Void on February 15, 2011, 02:51:02 pm

Sounds solid.
I support this topic.

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Norrage on February 15, 2011, 03:18:29 pm

Quote from: Void on February 15, 2011, 02:51:02 pm

Sounds solid.
I support this topic.

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Tai on February 15, 2011, 07:33:01 pm

Let's face something, the state of Liberty is a own working state under the flag of the united states of Argonath.
Another fact is that it runs itself, the borders are not fully open yet - means people still need to get liberty state
citizenships to gain same rights as regular citizens, even though this is quiet easy to get as Argonath citizen.

I really like many parts of this posts and really would like to develop it, even though I got not really much time and
it would need much to take care of.

But party it seems you forget that the Political affairs of Liberty City needs to be seperated from the Law Enforcements
and the courts.
If you don't know about the democratic 3 instance system: Judicative, Legislativ and Executive organs of a state.

Quote from: jcstodds on February 07, 2011, 09:16:34 pm

Also, can I be the Minister of Common Sense?

Do you have?  :cop:

PS: Monte in case you want to develop something, make sure you don't have hundres
of projects running - it is mostly more usefull to focus on one thing if you want to make it good.

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on May 09, 2011, 06:10:52 pm

nice to see it's developing in some areas.

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on July 03, 2011, 03:15:18 am

It's a shame politicians are just being politicians.
All talk and no action.

Come-on, you're all smart people so why not start it?  :mad:

Please can we see some of this happening?
It does not need 101 scripts.
It does not need 101 forum sections.
It can be done with effort!

--
I was voted Student (Union) President In college :) - If you're wondering why I put () it's because by default I am President of all students as by default all students are part of the Student Union unless they choose to opt out.

Borrowed some inspiration from this thread and wrote it in my Manifesto, of-course I made the thread so not like it's plagiarism.  :evil:

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Void on July 03, 2011, 12:52:41 pm

Quote from: [NP]Monte Montague on July 03, 2011, 03:15:18 am

It's a shame politicians are just being politicians.
All talk and no action.

You see, true politicians judge fast as well. They also use their too fast tongue trying to taunt others.
How do you know there's no "action"?

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on July 03, 2011, 05:20:15 pm

Quote from: Void on July 03, 2011, 12:52:41 pm

You see, true politicians judge fast as well. They also use their too fast tongue trying to taunt others.
How do you know there's no "action"?

I don't know there is any -there is no ArgoLeaks person inside the LC government (yet?/maybe? :P) If someone says for example they will pay a loan by Friday. And they don't, and then Friday comes, Friday goes, people get tired and then wham - very angry.

It should not take so long, it should come bit by bit - not only does this show you remember promises time and time again but you also meet the needs when they come.

Right now the support of small organizations would be a great thing for the state to start doing, and also the support of organization like CMB (Accomplished) or LTA (Not Accomplished). As apposed to make everything at once. If you mean by dump all of it at once and have some grand release how will you know if each and every part will survive, it takes time to strengthen each department - as it would do in any other organization.

Start a blog even, or just keep us informed is what I ask, there is no need to keep people in the blank, if you say you will keep doing it allow us to get excited knowing what is happening, you can't keep it locked away (if it even exists) in an admin board / files - it'll in the end serve for the public and with more public people then admins alone so  :conf:

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Void on July 03, 2011, 06:41:35 pm

Quote from: [NP]Monte Montague on July 03, 2011, 05:20:15 pm

I don't know there is any -there is no ArgoLeaks person inside the LC government (yet?/maybe? :P) If someone says for example they will pay a loan by Friday. And they don't, and then Friday comes, Friday goes, people get tired and then wham - very angry.

It should not take so long, it should come bit by bit - not only does this show you remember promises time and time again but you also meet the needs when they come.

Right now the support of small organizations would be a great thing for the state to start doing, and also the support of organization like CMB (Accomplished) or LTA (Not Accomplished). As apposed to make everything at once. If you mean by dump all of it at once and have some grand release how will you know if each and every part will survive, it takes time to strengthen each department - as it would do in any other organization.

Start a blog even, or just keep us informed is what I ask, there is no need to keep people in the blank, if you say you will keep doing it allow us to get excited knowing what is happening, you can't keep it locked away (if it even exists) in an admin board / files - it'll in the end serve for the public and with more public people then admins alone so  :conf:

Of course, we can start a somewhat public log of information. That can be arranged.

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on July 16, 2011, 04:06:28 am

Quote from: Void on July 03, 2011, 06:41:35 pm

Of course, we can start a somewhat public log of information. That can be arranged.

But when

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on November 26, 2011, 04:11:20 pm

Any updates?

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on November 29, 2011, 04:34:41 am

Quote from: Void on July 03, 2011, 06:41:35 pm

Of course, we can start a somewhat public log of information. That can be arranged.

Sounds very good to me.

Title: Re: Expand government
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on December 06, 2011, 11:49:43 pm

Quote from: Jack_Tyler on January 26, 2011, 01:49:04 am

I think that's really the point why we (The fresh arrivals) do not want this system. You handout a "donation", but it might be 10k and you got 3 million, it will just be a direct transfer from the SA project to the GTA IV and no jump into a new world of competition. -- But Like I said everyone needs to discuss this it might not be easy for people to give up on their earned cash. I do know however that if this realm is cleaned out of cash & a good economic system with as low corruption as possible the fresh arrivals will more happily stay than if people are driving around in fancy cars and got guns (when the /wep is removed) whilst they have to drive a cab for shit paycheck for weeks to even afford a car -- "I've been there, now it's their turn" That might be true, but what say that the fresh arrivals hasn't done that too on another server? And what's the point of all this? That we can create a huge community with active & dedicated role-players "oldschool" players along with fresh arrivals or boost the corruption & inflation of the old money to the new server?

PS: Need an edconomical advisor for the new server? I'll gladly contribue with my expertise.

Sometimes the rich can do good :).






Mayor, why you no respect / respond to this thread?

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: DellStorm on December 07, 2011, 02:40:57 pm

Hi fellas,

This topic seems to be more talk of rank and power than what the ranks actually entail. Since some are a rank for rank I will not support the ones that do not help the people who are in the server.

First off I'll start by explaining the reasons we may go ahead with these:

Housing

Janek has already took on the task of Housing and for people who do not know there is a topic in IV:MP Businesses where you can find more out about properties.


Communications & Media

Originally started by Twenty with Weazel News; This would be a good idea to get into motion where people can write articles about a particular event and get everyone to join in and comment about these articles. Good idea all round, just needs someone who is willing and commited to bring quality non biased material.

Public Transport

LTA as I remember it was originally started by Monte, and is currently under development through Janek with permissions for the content created by Monte.


So it appears these have already gone in motion!

Secondly we aim to make ArgonathRPG IV:MP as free as possible, it seems fair to mention that people can instead *help* in these areas and not be in charge of them.

Hope this answers any questions you had.

Regards, DellStorm

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Rami on December 08, 2011, 04:16:16 pm

Quote from: DellStorm on December 07, 2011, 02:40:57 pm

Communications & Media

Originally started by Twenty with Weazel News; This would be a good idea to get into motion where people can write articles about a particular event and get everyone to join in and comment about these articles. Good idea all round, just needs someone who is willing and commited to bring quality non biased material.

I guess someone else should be in charge of it since Twenty rarely comes in-game.
She can still be the founder if it got re-started it tho.

Appointing someone else to handle it would only breathe life into it again.

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: thejorens on December 08, 2011, 08:41:08 pm

Quote from: Rami on December 08, 2011, 04:16:16 pm

I guess someone else should be in charge of it since Twenty rarely comes in-game.
She can still be the founder if it got re-started it tho.

Appointing someone else to handle it would only breathe life into it again.

Martin started The LC times, just saying :P

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: Rami on December 08, 2011, 08:52:31 pm

Quote from: thejorens on December 08, 2011, 08:41:08 pm

Martin started The LC times, just saying :P

Yeah, but the Weazel News is a built-in news agency. ;)

Title: Re: A diverse & structured government of Liberty City.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on December 10, 2011, 06:04:07 pm

Answered thx.
Locked.