i must say during the shootout that's not gonna happen because cops who arrive late just shoot the f**k outta everyone..
They do abuse, almost every cop that can shoot uses the cbug, all of swat uses the cbug too, i see it all the time.
So admins, f**kING BAN THEM THEY ABUSED
This entire topic is a moan topic.
there is no roleplay resolution to suspection
Argonath doesn't support that kind of roleplay
Tthere really is no way to roleplay between cops and suspects
Cops want to kill criminals, most criminals want to kill cops. That's how it always is.
This is usually followed by cops moaning that they died despite them likely having deploying themselves to the situation no less than 3 times without ever purchasing combats or armour.
Okay, I guess that makes this (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Solutions_against_deathmatchers,_abusers,_and_alike) into moan as well.I don't actually think this is much of a moan topic, I just put that bit in there for good measure since if a criminal had made this topic you'd be all over it calling moan.
Obviously, both of you did not see the possibilities of roleplay as you are too busy shooting at cops with a combat shotgun and advocating how cops and roleplay do not mix.Well sorry, I would take the time to think of interesting roleplays with cops but they tend to continue shooting me in the face when I try. After awhile the bullets embedded in my skull begin to agitate me and I am forced to kill said cop.
I guess that makes Araatus, Ancelotti, Corleone, Gvardia, Stracci, 58th, and Inferno Nine into DM groups, as they couldn't possibly be RP groups since cops and suspects only fight to the death as they cannot roleplay together.By your logic the SAPD and the FBI are also DM groups, then.
your constant losses at the hands of law enforcementDunno what server you've been playing on, but we don't lose. If we take down >1 respawn waves of cops before falling then that's no loss. The fact we usually take more than 3 is fairly irrelevant.
The stupidity of those cops in question is no longer our fault.And yet your topic is littered with examples of suspects "moaning", almost like some attempt to imply it has anything to do with criminal groups.
I don't actually think this is much of a moan topic, I just put that bit in there for good measure since if a criminal had made this topic you'd be all over it calling moan.
Well sorry, I would take the time to think of interesting roleplays with cops but they tend to continue shooting me in the face when I try. After awhile the bullets embedded in my skull begin to agitate me and I am forced to kill said cop.
By your logic the SAPD and the FBI are also DM groups, then.
Which, now that I think about it, does not disprove your logic in any way.
Dunno what server you've been playing on, but we don't lose. If we take down >1 respawn waves of cops before falling then that's no loss. The fact we usually take more than 3 is fairly irrelevant.
And yet your topic is littered with examples of suspects "moaning", almost like some attempt to imply it has anything to do with criminal groups.
And yet your topic is littered with examples of suspects "moaning", almost like some attempt to imply it has anything to do with criminal groups.
JDC, you've wasted your time here. Argonath doesn't support that kind of roleplay and it never will. People aren't afraid of death because in argonath there is next to no loss when dieing anyway. Cops want to kill criminals, most criminals want to kill cops. That's how it always is. Don't like it? Don't get suspected or go on duty. This will change nothing.
People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
Perfect description of ARPD Officers and SAPD Officers.
"Here takes this gun, now go kill orangemen".
People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0lSAPD: If you see criminals then kill them on the spot because they're dangerous.
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
I guess that makes Araatus, Ancelotti, Corleone, Gvardia, Stracci, 58th, and Inferno Nine into DM groups, as they couldn't possibly be RP groups since cops and suspects only fight to the death as they cannot roleplay together.only cops knows is to rp . :cool:
Cops want to kill criminals, most criminals want to kill cops. That's how it always is.I agree to a certain extent.
People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l/s1 /s2 /l /gu ROfLmao XDXDDXDXDXDXDXDXD
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
The only time when i dont RP with cops is-
1: They pop up M4/SMG/Combat and shout /gu!!! GIVEUP!!!!!
2: They run to you and spray you to death till you either /gu
Their are many more reasons too, and also JDC, Once i shot one bullet of AK near my friend and you started wasting entire f**king 10 m4 clips on my ass, dont even talk about your so called RP
I wouldn't. Surprise.
As much "one-sided" my reputation seems, I have more complicated thoughts for cop-criminal relations than anyone will know.
Either you utterly failed at choosing the right cops to roleplay with, or your reputation for shooting at every cop has caused them to shoot at you.
Correct.
I actually see people in the different criminal groups who have good roleplay potential, and some of them who put it into use. When it comes to their leaders, Daniel and NitrOx would be fine. Sadly, I can't say the same for you and Romeo in that aspect.
Which is because it happens. The same can be said for cops, and unless your eyes have become far too one-sided as to subconsciously avoid what I stated against cops (however little it may be), you should be able to see it.
When I began to write this topic, I was going to use "Reminders for cops: Raising the roleplay level with suspects" as the title, but then I chose one that was less one-sided.
People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
I wasn't referring to me. If you paid any attention to the ways of the server you'd know fine well that the only criminal activity I take part in is the buying and selling of narcotics, and that whenever I am suspected if I cannot escape without a fight I will surrender straight away. So you're wrong there.
This just shows how much knowledge you lack on the subject. NitrOx and Daniel are more prone to gangwars and cop shootouts than myself nor Panda, I myself run a criminal business which serves aa valuable resource to both my group and other groups I work alongside, putting purpose to being a criminal that doesn't consist of fighting.
Wrong. Every topic you post in seems to work against the opinions of criminals who find the unfair advantages cops possess as an injustice. You come out with "oh, you can roleplay it and it's not needed" even though you will defend the fact that groups have scripts added for purposes which can also quite easily be roleplayed. You have an extremely biased opinion and you are altogether selfish in arguments. If you provided an equal view to both sides of the argument I'd be more inclined to discuss it with you, but for now I can see that I am merely wasting my time.
They do abuse, almost every cop that can shoot uses the cbug, all of swat uses the cbug too, i see it all the time.
So admins, f**kING BAN THEM THEY ABUSED
No, I prefer it the way it is thank you
But obviously Vince has never been into a mafia so he can't talk about it.
Ignoring post...
Talking about RP - I remember about 6 months ago when I was trying to kidnap someone and was actually RPing with a freecop when [AV]JDC_Kolta came up using a combat shotgun and killed me without even using one single line of /me.
I should've said:
The only time when i dont RP with cops is-
1: They pop up M4/SMG/Combat and shout /gu!!! GIVEUP!!!!!
2: They run to you and spray you to death till you either /gu
Their are many more reasons too, and also JDC, Once i shot one bullet of AK near my friend and you started wasting entire f**king 10 m4 clips on my ass, dont even talk about your so called RP
This topic was created in order to illustrate the continuously deteriorating situation present on the server and was in no way meant to offend any of its readers. Should any person decide to take offense, I will not accept any responsibility for his / her sentiments. Please read this topic with an open mind and a mature insight, or not at all.How ignorant.
Lastly, keep in mind as well that all the "Good" examples listed here will only apply to people who possess any interest in roleplay, which could be more people than you think.First you moan about elitist 1337 ZOMG RP and now are moaning that there is not enough RP. Decide what you want before you try to argue.
This is "ZOMG f**kING RLRP" in the aspect that it forces additional roleplay.
A civilian walks into a police department and takes out a uniform, a badge, and stock firearms from the police lockers. He equips them and descends into the garage to take a patrol vehicle. After some driving around taking money from people for speeding too much, he gets a call on the radio about 7 orange men shooting the f**k out of everyone in a given district.And I wonder why people are not allowed to say ACAB.
The cop and some of his colleagues from the station group in the vehicle and proceed to the incident, where the first thing they do after getting out of the vehicle, is shout an incomprehensible series of warnings and mount an offensive at the orange men by shooting as many bullets in their direction as they can with the hopes of killing at least one.
After a long and bloody shootout where many cops and suspects die, at least two units walk away with one heavily injured suspect in their custody who happens to be moaning about how unfair the cops were, or how he was abused. The cops in turn are gritting their teeth and mouthing threats to the criminal to either shut the f**k up before they shoot him dead on the spot. Upon arrival at the PD, the suspect is placed in a jail cell and the world receives yet another story of how two heroic officers survived a dire shootout and saved the day from the criminal scum.
Interesting routine of work, isn't it?
People have constantly been complaining left and right about how others lack roleplay.Yes, mainly you - like here in the same post.
examples listed here will only apply to people who possess any interest in roleplayIf you're gonna be contradictory and a hypocrite, atleast don't do it in the same post.
In spite of the efforts of some cops and criminals, the majority of at least 90 percent (or even more) are only interested in shooting or escaping the other. Whenever a discussion about RP ensues, one of these discussions is sure to arise:Is the Hydra used for anything else other than shooting?
Cop: God damn suspects always f**king pull combats out of their ass and shooting cops!
I've been noticing a lot of debate going on about this topic ingame, so I decided to make a poll. Combat shotguns or Sawn-off shotguns?:war:
Combat Shotgun:
-Weapon for the skilled
-Two hands required to operate
-7 Shots can be fired before reloading
Sawn-off Shotgun:
-Weapon for those without gun skill, and Dmers
-One hand required to operate each rifle
-2 Shots can be fired before reloading (each gun)
Cast your votes!
I'm sure just about all of us are tired of this. However, no matter how much we complain about the situation, none of us try to change it as a whole, which is why it repeats itself constantly. Aren't you sick of that?
I'm sure I am are tired of this. However, no matter how much I complain about the situation, I don't try to change it as a whole, which is why it repeats itself constantly. Aren't you sick of that?Fixed.
So, I have here some reminders for cops and criminals / suspects that are sure to bring more roleplay between them, if followed.You are not qualified to remind the criminals of anything as you are not one.
1. Analyze the situation for possible roleplay opportunities.You analyse it with a Hydra, do you?
If you know how that the opponent who is threatening your safety is one who is a potential companion and roleplay, then try to inject some roleplay or humor into the situation. Doing such helps to ease the feeling of hostility and may even cause both parties to develop a mutual respect.Sure. Blasting the shit out of LSPD when there were unarmed civilians shows how honest a statement this is.
Bad:Don't moan when other people use the very radar you are in love with and have a fit everytime a player more suited to a RLRP server posts an idea about removing.
(Suspects see cops coming towards them on the radar. They are trapped.)
**Suspect1(0) shouts: DIE F**KING CUNTS! Let's kill them, everyone!! (Criminals' Side)
two heroic officers survived a dire shootout and saved the day from the criminal scum.
mutual respect.
**Cop1(7) says: There they are, let's kill them and get this over with. (Cops' Side)LOL.
(A bloody shootout ensues where almost everyone dies.)
Bullshit, it's the cops who die which is why they come back in waves.**Suspect2(1): ADMINS COPS WERE ABUSING, DO SOMETHING!!!Exaggerated. Any one who ain't retarded won't moan about being abused by someone who abused /su when in a mass shootout.
Good:
(Suspects see cops coming towards them on the radar. They are trapped.)
**Cop1(7) says: Commander, our radar has detected them around the corner wall 5 meters from here.
**Cop1(7) says: Shall we storm them and take them out?Cops do not value their lives at all as they can return as many times as they want. Cop2 will die and probably return, so it makes no difference if they all die or not. Most cops in this situation actually return after death many times if not to /weaponequip those who do.
**Cop2(8) says: No, we might all die. What information do we have on the suspects?
**Cop1(7) says: They are a group of african-american gangsters, sir.Cop2 would be banned if he did this in-game in front of an admin or logs were checked.
**Cop2(8) says: Hmm... I think I might have another solution.
*Cop2(8) reaches into a black case marked "SWAT EMERGENCY SUPPLIES".
*Cop2(8) takes out a bucket of KFC.
**Cop1(7) says: Sir, what are we supposed to do with THAT?
**Cop2(8) says: Use this to bait them. I have a plan.
(The suspects see everything that has transpired and intend to participate in roleplay.)What is RP? Do you consider the ninety percent of cops who use /s2 and shoot instantly to be RP? The side shooting first often controls the situation but if cops have entered a building with weapons with suspects inside it, they are engaging and therefore are allowed to be shot by suspects.
*Cop1(7) throws a bucket of KFC into the hallway, near the gangsters.At this point Cop1 would probably be punished too.
(after a shootout mixed with humorous roleplay, mostly everyone survives and the suspects are taken to the police department for their roleplay interrogation and imprisonment.)Suspect1 would be shooting too, you know? Depending on the shooting skill of the suspects, the cops would probably be all killed, the first wave i.e. Cop1 and Cop2 atleast.
2. DO NOT jump to conclusions immediately.More time wasted closer to a cop means more cops come, chances of survival/escape decline. The only reason why suspects would kill a cop is to go escape afterwards.
Not every person you face in combat possesses the sole intent of shooting you to death. Many players will enjoy at least a short roleplay as well.
As elaborated on in point 1, injecting some roleplay into what seems to become yet another shootout, may turn the situation into a fun and enjoyable roleplay where everyone is happy. In that case, even if one side is annihilated in the ensuing combat, the situation will be a win-win for all parties involved as all of them had fun.Not in my experience, which I have a lot more than you do.
Bad:The suspect, if not a retard, would leave the scene after killing the cop who is engaging. If he were not to engage, he would have stayed in the patrol car.
The suspect sees a cop hiding behind a patrol car. He jumps over the car and shoots the life out of the cop with a combat shotgun. More cops and suspects arrive, and mostly everyone dies. Moan ensues in the public chat afterwards.
Good:Never happens.
(The suspect sees a cop hiding behind a patrol car.)
**Suspect1(0) shouts: Eyy, you! I know you're hiding back there!
**Cop1(7) mutters: Shit, I've been spotted.
**Cop1(7) shouts: Sir, this is the __PD! Hands up, pants down!
**Suspect1(0) shouts: All you donut heifers are the same! I ain't fallin' for your rape drama!
(During the shootout, both involved continue to execute roleplay.)Unless both suspect1 and cop1 are retarded, they will not place themselves at a massive risk of being killed whilst typing. By the time used to type everything, many cops would have came and suspect1 would either have to die or escape.
Because the suspect in this situation did not immediately conclude that RP with the cop means an absolute chance of death, thMakes no sense. 'Abseloute chance of death' lolol
3. Try to inject some humor.
As I mentioned in Point 1, injecting humor into the situation can ease the hostility / tension and even lead to a good roleplay. Cops and Criminals / Suspects who engage in roleplays between each other tend to develop a mutual respect, which leads to less hostilities overall. We can't deny that humor makes a roleplay situation better, doesn't it? Less moan and flames mean a happier community, which is what I am certain everyone here would like to see.
**Suspect1(0) shouts: DIE F**KING CUNTS! Let's kill them, everyone!! (Criminals' Side)
two heroic officers survived a dire shootout and saved the day from the criminal scum.
mutual respect.
4. Fighting to the death is NOT the only option.FBI is shoot to kill as they do not have to ask for surrender before pew pew. Don't tell people to do something if you don't do it yourself.
The above 3 reminders will most certainly not work if the cop, the suspect / criminal, or both, will do nothing but fight to the death. For cops, the possibilities are solving the situation with roleplay, using better tactics than shoot-to-kill- regardless-of-what-happens-to-you, among others.
For the criminals / suspects, we have hiding from the cops and escape. If every single cop and criminal did nothing but fight to the death, then there will be virtually no opportunity for roleplay between both parties.You don't even know the difference between a suspect and a criminal, how the f**k are you in a position to advise them?
This is "ZOMG f**kING RLRP" in the aspect that it forces additional roleplay.
5. Don't always wait for the other person to make the first move.Contradictory to point two.
If you will always rely on the other person involved to make the first move, then I can assure you that it would happen more often, where things don't turn out in a desirable manner or where everything is ruined altogether. You should also exert some effort to execute roleplay in cop-criminal situations, and you never know... others may begin to view you as an example / role model.
Keep in mind that this will only work best if they are all done together.
2. DO NOT jump to conclusions immediately.
But most of his posts here contains some kind of moan against someone in one form or another.Was a self-analysis that needs a little update from most to all.
People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0lThat's more what your SRU does.
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
First you moan about elitist 1337 ZOMG RP and now are moaning that there is not enough RP. Decide what you want before you try to argue.
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Apply the above into the context of civilians and the SAPD - try to figure out who is who.
**Suspect1 (0) says: Holy shit, man! I smell KFC!http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57166.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57166.0)
Both sides moan,thus there will be no solution found...AGAIN!True. But the cops are the ones who have all advantages on server ;) When situation goes on at least 60:40 then we can talk actually. Even Map is edited good to prevent good drivers with good cars to fast evade. I just wonder how JDC have no shame to shows up in every single topic and try to put some funny story.
True. But the cops are the ones who have all advantages on server ;) When situation goes on at least 60:40 then we can talk actually. Even Map is edited good to prevent good drivers with good cars to fast evade. I just wonder how JDC have no shame to shows up in every single topic and try to put some funny story.
Why are some people too stubborn to admit to some of the facts JDC posted? Have atleast the guts to admit to it, in order to set yourself open to the community and improve it.
People saying 'Vince hasn't been a criminal, STFU', who do you think you are? What has this to do with this topic anyway? If Vince likes to share his opinion from his perspective, you should better read it and try to prevent the bad points he states by improving your roleplay! Nobody is perfect, ANYONE can make a mistake, sadly not everyone dares to admit them for their blown up ego.
My opinion about this i rather clear to many of us here....
The SAPD is a law enforcement..Break the law and be punished. However some of us prefer to provoke cops by shouting: OMFG, ABUSE STUPID COP! rather then complying and recieve an investigation.
Otherwise, I feel that due to the server's high amount of population some actions might be set on the /duty command. To prevent abuse. This actions could be a restriction to go on police duty only when having a passport.
I don't completely support it, but i see the big ammount of people asking for it.
When i'm a criminal, My strategy is to keep awareness of the situation. If you are a criminal, Act like one, BUT RESPECT The Argonath Rules. You don't need to kill a cop if he is about to stop you, and you clearly don't go shoot every blue name you see. Guns are overused these days and cause BIG frustration to those getting shot at, try to prevent killing someone at all times, Know WHEN to use /gu and try to understand how roleplay actually is.
As criminal, I make the cops having a hard time to handle me, However that doesn't mean i kill them. Acting as a criminal outrunning the cops, then crashing your vehicle on purpose and roleplay being injured is one way how you can create a decent roleplay situations without any frustrations.
Hope my writing here (which took me 30 min to complete on PS3) will affect some of you in a positive way.
Eventhough if you RP, I believe you do this..Pretty limited... They've also got keybinds and shit.
/me cuffs suspect.
/me shots.
/me catches him.
/me jumps.
/me drives.
/me looks.
/me eats.
/me walks.
/me runs.
/me kills.
/me talks.
etc and etc.. That's cool, isn't?(Ignore my name)
I suck at RP because i can't force cops to RP,so technically,when we meet up,we both fail at a certain point.You cannot force them, but that does not mean you can't create a situation.
stickyplsAren't you an IV:MP manager or something?
People like you are the only reason it is that way.
Jcstodds hit the nail on the head.. and because people who act like that somehow get to be official Argonath mafia leaders, the new players wanting to be a criminal see the fancy sticky topic, join, and are taught this.Much like the SAPD, then.
How ignorant.Explain the ignorance in the opening reminders.
First you moan about elitist 1337 ZOMG RP and now are moaning that there is not enough RP. Decide what you want before you try to argue.Someone with your level of English should be familiar with the phrases "in between" and "moderately".
And I wonder why people are not allowed to say ACAB.Before we wonder about the term "ACAB", let's tackle the issue of rogue ex-admins who are busy at work trolling the FBI, the SAPD, cops in general, admins, among other things, shall we? Then we'll talk.
Yes, mainly you - like here in the same post.Yes, I am complaining (but not moaning, as this has a better aim as opposed to selfish, inconsiderate moan) about the lack of overall roleplay between both sides, especially with the presence of people like you and Panda who exert effort to worsen the situation by discouraging roleplay.
If you're gonna be contradictory and a hypocrite, atleast don't do it in the same post.Before you accuse me of contradiction, remember that everything in my post is aimed at the same goal: raising roleplay between cops and criminals.
Is the Hydra used for anything else other than shooting?Yes. I have actually created roleplay using what is known as an instrument of death worse than the different guns. Have you?
[My past post about the Combat Shotgun] :war:People can change a lot in 2 years.
Fixed.>Implying I'm the only person who is tired of cop-criminal hostility in the personal context and that everyone else possesses your point of view.
You are not qualified to remind the criminals of anything as you are not one.=AV=JDC_Kolta. An agent of the law who has served the FBI ceaselessly for over 2 years.
You analyse it with a Hydra, do you?Concluding from your views of cop-criminal roleplay, then even my hydra must have better RP analysis than you.
Sure. Blasting the shit out of LSPD when there were unarmed civilians shows how honest a statement this is.Those unarmed civilians (and police officers) ignored at least a dozen warnings of the impending bombing meant to stop the riot, just as many unfortunate police officers have ignored your warnings that criminals will instantly kill any cop who poses a threat to them.
Don't moan when other people use the very radar you are in love with and have a fit every time a player more suited to a RLRP server posts an idea about removing.The radar example was written as a part of the situation and not as a complaint on the radar. It seems like you purposely left out the fact that it was present in the "Good" examples as well.
Exaggerated. Any one who ain't retarded won't moan about being abused by someone who abused /su when in a mass shootout.By your logic, it would seem we have a legion of retarded criminals on this server.
Good:> Implying the radar may not be used for roleplay as well.
(Suspects see cops coming towards them on the radar. They are trapped.)
**Cop1(7) says: Commander, our radar has detected them around the corner wall 5 meters from here.
LOL.
'Don't moan when other people use the very radar you are in love with and have a fit everytime a player more suited to a RLRP server posts an idea about removing.'
Cops do not value their lives at all as they can return as many times as they want. Cop2 will die and probably return, so it makes no difference if they all die or not. Most cops in this situation actually return after death many times if not to /weaponequip those who do.Then those cops are a part of the problem from the cop side as much as you are a part of the problem from the criminal side.
Cop2 would be banned if he did this in-game in front of an admin or logs were checked.Not every instance of humor in a cop-criminal situation has to be offensive. If that is your idea of humor in such situations, then your sense of humor is a pity to behold. The KFC was a mere illustrative situation.
What is RP? Do you consider the ninety percent of cops who use /s2 and shoot instantly to be RP?That's exactly one of the things I am trying to criticize with this topic, isn't it? Also, I am for the removal of the /s1-3 and /m1-3 commands as they have turned a creative aspect of RP into a robotic sequence of script and murder.
At this point Cop1 would probably be punished too."Not every instance of humor in a cop-criminal situation has to be offensive. If that is your idea of humor in such situations, then your sense of humor is a pity to behold. The KFC was a mere illustrative situation."
Suspect1 would be shooting too, you know? Depending on the shooting skill of the suspects, the cops would probably be all killed, the first wave i.e. Cop1 and Cop2 at least.You forgot the possibility of arrest and interrogation.
More time wasted closer to a cop means more cops come, chances of survival/escape decline. The only reason why suspects would kill a cop is to go escape afterwards.You seem to be purposely turning a blind eye to the suspects who kill a cop simply because they want to bad-ass, harass, terrorize, or kill a cop.
Not in my experience, which I have a lot more than you do.Forgive me for questioning your highly superior IQ, but you seem to have forgotten that not every individual possesses the same experiences... or did you just utterly fail at roleplaying with cops which is why you are crying about this topic now?
The suspect, if not a retard, would leave the scene after killing the cop who is engaging. If he were not to engage, he would have stayed in the patrol car.Thank you for indirectly labeling any suspect who attempts to roleplay with cops, as a "retard".
Never happens.I don't know what definition "never" has at whatever countryside you came from, but I've seen the said situation happen a lot. It isn't even that far from what players like Jcstodds, Legend, and Eliteterm do in roleplay.
Unless both suspect1 and cop1 are retarded, they will not place themselves at a massive risk of being killed whilst typing. By the time used to type everything, many cops would have came and suspect1 would either have to die or escape.So by your logic, cops and suspects who try to roleplay with each other are retarded and every cop-suspect situation must always end in death or escape?
You forgot the other common occurence, where Suspect1 is killed shortly by Cop1.
The following does happen.
**Suspect1(0) sees a cop behind a patrol car.
**Suspect1(0) shouts: Leave now po-lice or I blast y'all
**Cop1(7): This is the law, stop and surrender now
**Cop1(7): This is the law, stop and surrender now
**Cop1(7): This is the law, stop and surrender now
Shootout...
Cop1 is probably killed and suspect1 runs off.
Makes no sense. 'Abseloute chance of death' lololSo you are not familiar with a situation where an individual encounters an inescapable possibility that death will happen to them?
FBI is shoot to kill as they do not have to ask for surrender before pew pew. Don't tell people to do something if you don't do it yourself.If a suspect starts a roleplay with me (which is definitely not walking up to me and directly pew pew), I engage in roleplay. Don't tell people not to try to solve problems if you can't even do it yourself.
You don't even know the difference between a suspect and a criminal, how the f**k are you in a position to advise them?Criminal: A player who practices a life of crime, or one that is crime-oriented. i.e: Mobsters.
Besides. Contradictory to point two.Point 2: Don't always wait for the other person to make the first move.
My topic is not self-analytic, but a summary and statement on the situation. People with vast experience should be able to see that, unless the eyes with which they see have been hopelessly corrupted.
- Was a self-analysis that needs a little update from most to all.
False. The act itself of engaging in roleplay with suspects as a cop is a form of putting myself at a very possible disadvantage, yet I do it anyway.
- You expect suspects do to things that put them at a disadvantage whilst you do not do the same yourself.
I don't know what "get have" means in whatever countryside you grew up in, but I don't blindly use the hydra / hunter on anything. If I do, then access should be restricted only to Fernando by now (or removed from even him for allowing his Agents to use it so blindly).
- You moan about combat shotguns and get have a Hydra/Hunter.
Refer to earlier points. If you want a reason why I included both of them in mostly the same comparisons, it is because they practice mostly similar activity... especially criminals who are suspected.
- You do not know the difference between a suspect and a criminal and associate them as the same thing.
You take it that everyone who fires a gun is only capable of using the strategy "kill kill destroy destroy".
- The side shooting first has to be the one not to jump to conclusions and wait for the other side to shoot, making the side shooting first not the side shooting first but the side shooting last.
This is not a moan topic. If somebody is moaning here, it would be you moaning about me.
- You are against ZOMG RP yet are moaning that there is not enough RP.
As I understand, you would be closed-minded enough as to conclude that the only possible kind of humor in a cop-criminal situation is one that involves racism. I took my example from a past kidnapping where the criminals who kidnapped an SAPD Sergeant actually demanded a bucket of KFC as ransom.
- As I understand, you would be Cop2 in that situation, your understanding of humour is racism. I would only tell people to follow your point three if they wish to get banned.
According to you, the amount of examples in a topic states that the only possible situations of that kind are the exact ones after which the examples were modeled.
- According to you, suspects simply stay in one position and shoot, waiting for more and more cops to come so that they can eventually die.
You think people have never RP'ed, don't RP, and will never RP in the middle of a cop-suspect shootout and that I use my hydra at every single instant.
- You think people actually RP in the middle of a cop-suspect shootout when you have a Hydra that could kill all of them in an instant.
You have utterly failed to see (or simply deliberately overlooked) the fact that I illustrated the radar as an instrument in RP, checking one of the "Good" examples.
- You don't like others use the radar which you are against the removal of and love yourself.
[I have never objected to suspects being allowed to use the radar to locate cops who have engaged them in combat. Again, once again, the radar can be used as an instrument of roleplay as it allows you to find other players to RP with.
- Not waiting for the other side to shoot first would mean that you would like suspect's radars to be removed as they use them to locate cops who have engaged whom they are allowed to shoot.
Yes, I am complaining= ban. Don't do it.
Jcstodds hit the nail on the head.. and because people who act like that somehow get to be official Argonath mafia leaders, the new players wanting to be a criminal see the fancy sticky topic, join, and are taught this.
Oh, I've not seen her telling that?
Oh, wait. Why am I telling this to somebody who thinks that RP between cops and criminals is either retarded or impossible?
For example, somebody named UltraSforza. He was an awesome member of Sforza back in the day who was respected by even players of high MTA:VC caliber such as EliteTerm, and the last I heard is that he moved into SA:MP and contracted the corruption. I don't know what happened to him since, last I heard he was a rogue ex-admin who trolls the FBI regularly. Tragic, actually.Quite hillarious to see you ripping out others' past, especially the part "Rogue ex-admin who trolls the FBI regularly". Can't take the pressure of catching criminals? I sense moaning in here.
And what have you done besides moderating the server and flying around blasting people in Hydra, even if you sometimes use it for other goals such as crashing your ass into a tree? Hm?
Before you point a finger at an FBI Agent of two years who "goes around in his hydra blasting the shit out of every orange dot he sees hurr hurr hurr", remember you have done nothing to solve the problem, even in your own small ways.
you ripping out others' past,Violet is the master of that, so I'm surprised you never made remarks on her regarding that subject. Also, the only moan in this topic comes from people who can't handle the fact that it is a righteous complaint against a problem which they are a part of.
And what have you done besides moderating the server and flying around blasting people in Hydra, even if you sometimes use it for other goals such as crashing your ass into a tree? Hm?I'll tell you what I do, starting with the most obvious.
Violet is the master of that, so I'm surprised you never made remarks on her regarding that subject. Also, the only moan in this topic comes from people who can't handle the fact that it is a righteous complaint against a problem which they are a part of.So, being just as others in response? And we all hoped you were better than that.
I'll tell you what I do, starting with the most obvious.And how is "Fly around in Hydra, I blast people in it, I crash into trees and die, I catch criminals, I work as a federal agent<...> I post on theese forums" related to the problem you mentioned? This doesn't even compel to the "Little deeds for a greater good"
I moderate the server, I fly around in a hydra, I blast people in it, I crash into trees and die, I catch criminals, I work as a federal agent, I am one of few who post reason in the ocean of "SUPPORTED" in SA:MP Ideas, I post on these forums, I post on other Argonath related forums, I
As for the cops vs. robbers aspect, I actually have good attributes for the Civilian class.Including being a 2 year fed.
the reason why I shouldn't be making these topics in the first place.Something Violet was right about.
And how is "Fly around in Hydra, I blast people in it, I crash into trees and die, I catch criminals, I work as a federal agent<...> I post on theese forums" related to the problem you mentioned? This doesn't even compel to the "Little deeds for a greater good"
So, being just as others in response? And we all hoped you were better than that.Seeing the words "we", "hoped", "you", and "better" coming from someone who dislikes me makes me disbelieve for some reason.
SIncluding being a 2 year fed.Fernando is a 3 year-old Fed yet has the capabilities to be an excellent civilian, and even a mob lord. FBI duties do not hinder us from civilian roleplay every now and then.
Even notorious Mr. Greggor wouldn't call five minutes in toilet, as his love life.
On a side note, I think it's rather obvious that those topics never actually helped...
Would have helped if the time you spent on forums, you spent role-playing in game. Or at least trying to.
The response post to Violet took me only 30 minutes, and I wrote it while posting in other places too. After that, I headed ingame. On days when I play Argonath, I only get less than an hour to 4 hours at the most. The rest is either school, band rehearsal, or eating / sleeping.
While the topics never help overall, the reminders will help people who are willing to learn.
Weekdays:Coming from someone who by their own admission 'dreams about Argonath' around once every three days:
1. Wake up at 0430 hours to cook rice for breakfast.
2. Take shower while the rice is cooking.
3. Prepare other foods in addition to rice then breakfast.
4. Listen to music while downloading songs to phone over wifi.
5. Leave for school at 0630 hours
6. Attend classes from 0745 to 1600 hours
7. Overstay at school, eat, socialize with friends until 1800 hours
8. Arrive at home by 1845 hours
9. Take nap (usually) until 1930 hours
10. Dinner.
11. Argonath Forums and other related forums from 2000 hours until 2200 hours.
12. Sleep.
And I thought I had no life.yo dawg if u iz haz na life den how u iz talkin' to meh'?? U iz no brainzz
man now I dislike you even more
Coming from someone who by their own admission 'dreams about Argonath' around once every three days:
1/10 for effort
0/10 for delivery
0/10 for effect
Wouldn't recommend to a friend.
I ain't the one dreaming and getting a micro hard-on about Argonath, chea I got more time than you fo sho.
Now how can something like that happen in a server where RP is not even forced?