Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Jamal on February 25, 2011, 01:39:30 pm
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So, I want to ask this to fellow members of the community - This goes to Admins, Players, new players, old players, owners, etc. Anyone who has ever played argonath. What is 'Flaming' on Argonath RPG Servers in your opinion?
I ask this question, Why? You could probably go to any forum topic and find out. I just want to know the community's opinion on what they consider flaming, because lately, the flaming levels on the forums have gone up dangerously lately, I can even see admins flaming players, admins flaming admins! Players flaming admins, other players, even as going as far as flaming the owners.... Its as if everyone's good side is vacationing in the Bahamas and leaving the bad sides to fend for their selves.
AVOID POSTING OFFTOPIC, AND OR POSTING NAMES WHEN USING EXAMPLES OF FLAMERS. - I do not want this topic to turn into a flame topic itself, If it goes to that, I will request a lock and try again another time. Don't even try to post someone's name when saying 'I saw xxx flaming against xxxx yesterday,' all your doing is provoking offtopic discussions and more fights.
Thank you, Jamal.
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fuck off black - flaming
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I have witnessed the flaming aswell, they are just a disgrace for this community.
Thanks bye.
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Godf**king moron, you're such an asshole seriously get the f**k out of here I end you.
Also, quite a good topic. I also'd like to know why admins consider "gay" as a flame and banana me when I say it.
If "gay" means homosexual/faggot in your language then piss off, we're playing on international server where it's ENGLISH here.
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Poopy head
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FUCK YOU!
There, my example...
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My definition of flaming:
Something said to personally attack or offend a player or group.
Also, I consider provoking to be anything said to incite or provoke flaming from another player or group.
I do not consider people being rude or having a verbal stab at someones ingame character to be flame. E.g. "Ah crap it's a fat mexican!" would not be flame if they actually have a fat Mexican skin.
Also topic says "definitions" of flaming - not examples!
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My definition of flaming:
Something said to personally attack or offend a player or group.
Also, I consider provoking to be anything said to incite or provoke flaming from another player or group.
I do not consider people being rude or having a verbal stab at someones ingame character to be flame. E.g. "Ah crap it's a fat mexican!" would not be flame if they actually have a fat Mexican skin.
Also topic says "definitions" of flaming - not examples!
Srsly? I said something like that once and I got a banana.
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Srsly? I said something like that once and I got a banana.
One other reason I added this... people are not sure what is a safe thing and not a safe thing to say. I have heard people say 'If you think it could offend someone, don't say it' - But how do you know if it would or not?
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When somone picks up on someones mistakes in their past and takes advantage of it by spreading it around the community.
You know who you are.
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When somone picks up on someones mistakes in their past and takes advantage of it by spreading it around the community.
You know you are.
Was it not made clear that you are not supposed to take jabs at people(s) in the topic? that is not even flame... just provoking.
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Was it not made clear that you are not supposed to take jabs at people(s) in the topic? that is not even flame... just provoking.
Sorry dude, but Im just expressing my opinion on what this topic is based on. Under no circumstances I did attempt to flame/provoke anyone/anything. ;)
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One other reason I added this... people are not sure what is a safe thing and not a safe thing to say. I have heard people say 'If you think it could offend someone, don't say it' - But how do you know if it would or not?
People will not take you seriously if you are trying to be funny rather offensive.
My cop RP character is a racist, discriminating and ignorant redneck. But he is a redneck, so he is dumb, clumsy, and sometimes drunk. And unexpectedly funny.
It is all about balance. No one likes to be offended. But players wont complain if I offend their character, whilst also offending my own character. I will RP the stupid guy, just for fun. I will RP making mistakes, even if it means some criminal escapes.
Basically, why would you want to purposely offend some one else's character? If your sole intent is to offend their character, of course they might take it as a personal attack! You need to make it clear. It is a game, keep it fun and light hearted.
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JCS - I thought offending/insulting other players wasn't allowed even if it was IC - but apparently Argonath has no IC or OOC which means you can't insult players in any means...
So isn't that against the rules? (not that I care about IC and OOC insults and I know your RP style, so it's not a complain also)
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"dickhead"
"faggot"
= flame
"incapable"
"ignorant"
= not flame
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fuck you - Flame
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I say if Jcs is allowed to be "racist, discriminating and ignorant", we should all do that too; he's an admin so it must be allowed! Oh, and I'm thinking of starting a white pride group: basically my character hates African-American and Mexican folks, but in reality I love black people or spics.
Is that allowed or do I have to go through a rough patch of being an admin?
Just in order to stay on topic: 'noob, newbie, idiot, shut it, shut up' shouldn't even be seen as impertinent; solely weak and fragile people consider it offensive.
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Throwing insults at someone in a roleplay situation is fine in my book. If I insult someone in a roleplay and they report me - Never roleplay with that guy again.
Too bad we got retards here that can't tell the differance between a roleplay insult and a real one. And thus we have to restrict it for roleplay scenarios aswell.
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, evrywunbehappy, lets hug, kiss and be happy carebears while we play a game made for violence, yaaaaaaaaaaay.
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Any form of communication used in a way to insult and defame one another. These boundaries are at a transparent opacity when in roleplay situations but when one feels the need to insult another, he/she should simple quit the game till he/she is calm and is ready to participate again. There is also a difference between a roleplay insult and an insult to actually insult another. When roleplaying, one could be roleplaying and insulting in ways such as:
Player 1 shouts: YOU SUCK AT SHOOTING, COPS!
Player 2 shouts: COME AT ME BRO!
Cop 1 shouts: Give up or else your brain matter will be on the floor!
You see, simply, one can insult another in a roleplay environment but not cause any official offending. But when not in the roleplay or in a situation such as:
Player 1: Player X is a fag and cannot roleplay. He also sucks penises at shooting!
Player 2: Yeah, Player X just simply sucks
Player X: :(
There has to be a limit to insulting in an roleplay environment versus in overall communication. That's my definition.
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Anyone with half a brain should be able to tell the difference between a friendly roleplay "insult" (i.e: "Die, you illegal mexican scum!" to a drug lord with a fat mexican skin, roleplaying a fat mexican, who he is roleplaying a hostile encounter with) and a blatant personal attack (i.e: "You fucking orange dot noob, you deserve to die!). While the examples I gave here hail from different specific situations, anyone with common sense can easily distinguish the two.
If not, then I suggest you start eating Brussels Sprouts. They're good for the IQ.
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If not, then I suggest you start eating Brussels Sprouts. They're good for the IQ.
I just drink Duff and eat Porcshops :\
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Ok since JDC and duffman ninja derailed topic about their food and water problem, lets turn this topic into energy drink discussion.
I prefer Red Bull since it makes you fly. What about you?
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Flame; Noun;
A bad word aimed at a specific person or group with the intent to defame them...
Ex.
"Fuck You"
"<name> is a <bad word> <bad noun>"
and so on....
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My definition of flaming:
Something said to personally attack or offend a player or group.
Also, I consider provoking to be anything said to incite or provoke flaming from another player or group.
I do not consider people being rude or having a verbal stab at someones ingame character to be flame. E.g. "Ah crap it's a fat mexican!" would not be flame if they actually have a fat Mexican skin.
Also topic says "definitions" of flaming - not examples!
This is exactly how i feel to a T. Its like Jcs posted my reply for me.
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Flaming in roleplay is allowed now? I almost lol'd
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I say if Jcs is allowed to be "racist, discriminating and ignorant", we should all do that too; he's an admin so it must be allowed! Oh, and I'm thinking of starting a white pride group: basically my character hates African-American and Mexican folks, but in reality I love black people or spics.
Is that allowed or do I have to go through a rough patch of being an admin?
Just in order to stay on topic: 'noob, newbie, idiot, shut it, shut up' shouldn't even be seen as impertinent; solely weak and fragile people consider it offensive.
Become a better RPer than me and no one will have any problems :)
When a communist party RP group popped up, I temporarily set up a "Dictatorship Party" which basically spread lies and propaganda. Oh and we took over Montgomery and renamed it to "Jcstodds Land". Cops did not quite agree with my dictatorship ways though.
I say if Jcs is allowed to be "racist, discriminating and ignorant", we should all do that too;
I think you missed my point. But technically neither of the above is flaming, or against the rules, as long as you don't offend anyone. If players find it offensive, then don't do it, it will be considered flaming. My RP character is funny, no one minds because I spend half my time taking the piss out of myself. They know I am not serious. Also I do not just do it randomly, I will make stereotypical, topical jokes. Not just random insulting - that is not funny or good RP.
Flaming in roleplay is allowed now? I almost lol'd
No. Flaming is personal attack on player rather than RP character, and is not really RP.
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No. Flaming is personal attack on player rather than RP character, and is not really RP.
There's no OOC and IC on Argonath - therefore there are no "characters" but players - enforced by admins for more than an year I believe...
Try saying "Fuck you" in local chat nearby an admin and see what happens to you... (btw, don't log in on your admin account cos admins are allowed to do it).
I've been kicked few times by admins who was just passing by and saw some insultive words in local chat.
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When i see someone joking with me or looking too much for me i say: FUCK YOU or other things (IRL)
What is the problem doing IG? (IC)
Lilly Allen - Fuck You ( Official Music Video ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIulAaX_E1A#ws)
Is this flaming?
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F**k You -Lily Allen
the video from this song looks like a advertisement for iPod Touch
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Jcstodds - I got banned for roleplaying a "nigger hating Russian." It's funny, too; not a single person got offended.
Why these idiots punish for flaming or whatever when no one is even offended, I'll never understand...
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Jcstodds - I got banned for roleplaying a "nigger hating Russian." It's funny, too; not a single person got offended.
Why these idiots punish for flaming or whatever when no one is even offended, I'll never understand...
Even if you're not directly insulting anyone, seeing your message for instance over main chat may still offend several people on the server.
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There's no OOC and IC on Argonath - therefore there are no "characters" but players - enforced by admins for more than an year I believe...
Try saying "f**k you" in local chat nearby an admin and see what happens to you... (btw, don't log in on your admin account cos admins are allowed to do it).
I've been kicked few times by admins who was just passing by and saw some insultive words in local chat.
I do not tell any players "Fuck you". It's disrespectful. Not really entertaining or funny really. Also, there is OOC and IC in argonath by definition, because it is a RP game and community, and not real life. If you wanna talk about OOC and IC RP methods, I don't really understand, I have only ever played Argonath RPG SA:MP server.
Jcstodds - I got banned for roleplaying a "nigger hating Russian." It's funny, too; not a single person got offended.
I imagine the admin who banned you was offended. Also you cannot RP flamers, DMers, murderers etc. Put more effort into your character development next time.
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I imagine the admin who banned you was offended.
Gandalf isn't black. I hope for my sake, anyway.
O.o
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My definition is simple: Anything that is, can, or have the potential to hurt or offend a person, group, or race.
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If you read the rules, you will see that slang is allowed in RP to an extent.
Some people are ignorant enough though to think this means they can flame.
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If you read the rules, you will see that slang is allowed in RP to an extent.
Some people are ignorant enough though to think this means they can flame.
key words 'to and extent' - What is the extent is what players are confused by. Poor communication results in Poor results.
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Even if you're not directly insulting anyone, seeing your message for instance over main chat may still offend several people on the server.
Even if you're not directly talking, breathing near anybody MAY cause lung cancer.
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key words 'to and extent' - What is the extent is what players are confused by. Poor communication results in Poor results.
Common sense should be able to determine the line.
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(http://i54.tinypic.com/11tsjk7.jpg)
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Case of irony in SAMP.
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Common sense should be able to determine the line.
Common sense is not the same as an opinion.
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(http://i54.tinypic.com/11tsjk7.jpg)
< Mfw when that's Jcstodds
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[lol img]
Even though this is highly exaggerated, I do believe this. But its not because its to kiss ass(at least in some situations), but because you wouldn't expect an admin to break rules, so probably believe that what he said isn't flame. Although I'm sure the picture is true.
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Urban Dictionary:
1. flamin
someone that is gay and everyone knows it. he walks with a switch, talks like a fag, ties knots in there shirt
Oh wow...he is flamin
that sirs, is flaming.
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LOL @ the picture :lol:
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I reckon that Jcstodds is the most racist admin back when I was roleplaying a mexican in 58th. :roll:
I mean, he's probably the only one that goes away without punishment when being racist in public...
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Maybe because when you tried to RP the way he was, you got it totally wrong?
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I am not racist, I do not think my race is better than anyone elses, and I do not discriminate on other peoples race. I am polite, I do not attempt to offend anyone - and this is racism?
I do however like to joke about stereotypes, like to laugh at my own culture and others, and generally be politically incorrect. Why? It is funny, and it is the GTA style. Have you ever listened to the GTA radio? Do you get offended and go "OMG the radio is RACIST?!"
If you think I am racist, I do not believe you are mature enough to play GTA San Andreas, and do really understand what racism is. You cannot differentiate between a made up character, and a real person, sitting behind a computer.
Also, as far as my cop character is concerned, all skin races can be considered illegal immigrants if they want to RP illegal Immigrants.
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I am not racist, I do not think my race is better than anyone elses, and I do not discriminate on other peoples race. I am polite, I do not attempt to offend anyone - and this is racism?
I do however like to joke about stereotypes, like to laugh at my own culture and others, and generally be politically incorrect. Why? It is funny, and it is the GTA style. Have you ever listened to the GTA radio? Do you get offended and go "OMG the radio is RACIST?!"
If you think I am racist, I do not believe you are mature enough to play GTA San Andreas, and do really understand what racism is. You cannot differentiate between a made up character, and a real person, sitting behind a computer.
I wish I could copy this, go back in time to where I was banned, past it into my unban request, and call it my words.
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In addition to Jingle's image
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2qn8mk4.png)
Roflmao...
This is example of flaming:
You son of bitch, go fuck yourself, you're fucking moron. Piece of shit, suck my dick you fucking faggot, motherfucker, get the fuck out of here, you dubmass, moron, retard, stupid, idiot and moron ... again.
Please do not think that I am flaming anyone, I am only showing an example of flaming as requested by Jamal, the author.
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If you get offended over a internet game, you should really get some self-confidence. Some things might be directed to you as a person, then it's totally wrong, indeed.
But to be completely honest with y'all, I insult/flame a lot in what can be considered in character. If the dude get offended by it (which they usually don't) I apologize.
It's not which words you use, or how many fuck you use in the same sentence, it's HOW you do it and in which situation.
Imagine a real thug role-playing against another thug, and it's getting hotter whilst they're talking. This first thug wants to act like a though one, and he'd shout something "nice", that'd be totally wrong. Would you get offended, I believe not. Would it look stupid, yes it would.
It's all about common sense.
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Anyone who gets offended on the internet is simply an insecure imbecile who should seek professional help; any emotion which isn't laughter or any one thing related to entertainment should be abandoned in one's mind.
If you get offended over a internet game, you should really get some self-confidence. Some things might be directed to you as a person, then it's totally wrong, indeed.
But to be completely honest with y'all, I insult/flame a lot in what can be considered in character. If the dude get offended by it (which they usually don't) I apologize.
It's not which words you use, or how many f**k you use in the same sentence, it's HOW you do it and in which situation.
Imagine a real thug role-playing against another thug, and it's getting hotter whilst they're talking. This first thug wants to act like a though one, and he'd shout something "nice", that'd be totally wrong. Would you get offended, I believe not. Would it look stupid, yes it would.
It's all about common sense.
Que you motherfucking cunt, I fucking love you.