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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Das-Korn on August 17, 2007, 01:48:13 am

Title: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Das-Korn on August 17, 2007, 01:48:13 am
Hmm. I have the G15 Keyboard. So i have made some Combinations like: "t/l Put you Hands Up" , "t/m Stop your Car !" , "t/l Get out of your car Please!" , "t/m STOP !!" , "t/m Stop your Car !" , "t/m Surrender !?!".

Hmm naw "Wayne" sayd be it is not allowed on Argonath. And i will me Banned when i use this again!  :cry:


Im not this opinion! Whats the Reason of this Argonath Rule?  I mean when im a Cop and im follow with 100 miles pro Hour a Suspect. I cant tipe: "D-o   y-o-u   w-a-n-t   t-o   S-u-r-r-e-n-d-e-r   ?"  No i can't, but i can tipe: "G1"







Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 01:54:36 am
I have the G-15 but do not use the macros... If other cops want to use macros. Tell them to go and buy the Keyboard, in my opinion this is no reason to be banned

I know what you mean.. Its hard to drive and type PULL OVER or somthing.

And Wayne, Tell us where it says "G-15" Keyboards are not aloud. Sorry to tell you youre job. But you cannont ban people for what YOU think is un-fair
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 02:09:32 am
I have a G15 to but dont use macro's that often.
But banning for using macro's is way out of order.
If you are goin to ban that then why doesnt gamers with for example a Geforce 7000 and 8000 series get banned because they have more FPS or are able to have a longer view distance than players with a less powerfull videocard. Thats insane. If they want to use macro's to, then they need to get a macro device to, just that simple.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 02:13:32 am
I have a G15 to but dont use macro's that often.
But banning for using macro's is way out of order.
If you are goin to ban that then why doesnt gamers with for example a Geforce 7000 and 8000 series get banned because they have more FPS or are able to have a longer view distance than players with a less powerfull videocard. Thats insane. If they want to use macro's to, then they need to get a macro device to, just that simple.


100% Agree
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 17, 2007, 03:42:44 am
Lol, look's like someone ate a big bowl of stupid huh?

lol 'its bannable'
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 03:48:15 am
Lol, look's like someone ate a big bowl of stupid huh?

lol 'its bannable'

What?...
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 17, 2007, 03:49:47 am
...
what that mean's is, it look's like someone is an idiot
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Sirricharic on August 17, 2007, 03:51:57 am
thats a bunch of bullshit its not like its modding the game
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 03:57:17 am
...
what that mean's is, it look's like someone is an idiot

You're makeing no sense
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Luca_Scalise on August 17, 2007, 07:23:51 am
I don't use hotkeys, but i confess that 50% of times i got killed while typing with the most lame methods i have ever saw.

Few days ago, i stopped a guy and as usually his/her friends started complaining about that...i was typing: put your hands up, guess what? Backstabbed by one of the friends. And if you are reading..guy..i don't remember your name  :neutral: Just know you aren't a good roleplayer.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Watti on August 17, 2007, 07:53:49 am
I have a G15 to but dont use macro's that often.
But banning for using macro's is way out of order.
If you are goin to ban that then why doesnt gamers with for example a Geforce 7000 and 8000 series get banned because they have more FPS or are able to have a longer view distance than players with a less powerfull videocard. Thats insane. If they want to use macro's to, then they need to get a macro device to, just that simple.


Guys...

NO HACKS NO MODS NO CHEATS...

Frame Limiter

NO HACKS!! Macros.. (KeyBinds) Are hacks... No glitches to get advantages
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 08:21:36 am
Guys...

NO HACKS NO MODS NO CHEATS...

Frame Limiter

NO HACKS!! Macros.. (KeyBinds) Are hacks... No glitches to get advantages

Watti... You are not a Admin. As Aragorn told you in the SA Admin Applications.

Dont make up youre own rules, Stop.. sucking up at the Admins.. really

And...

Are you telling us we cannot turn off the BUILT INTO SAN ANDREAS OPTIONS? (Frame Limitor)

And where dose it say No Macros?

LOl you call a Macro a Hack?

This is what a hack is accordign to google search "hack"

         To gain access to (a computer file or network) illegally or without authorization: hacked the firm's personnel database.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: rJCaiG on August 17, 2007, 08:33:08 am
Guys..Keybinds are striktly forbidden. Even if you spend money to buy a keyboard that has them built in, not allowed. I used to use them, before I became admin, but I looked at the rules more close than ever and realised I could get banned for it. Use them, be banned. Dont use them, oh you poor thing, you'll be killed! Oh no!  :(
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 08:37:33 am
Guys..Keybinds are striktly forbidden. Even if you spend money to buy a keyboard that has them built in, not allowed. I used to use them, before I became admin, but I looked at the rules more close than ever and realised I could get banned for it. Use them, be banned. Dont use them, oh you poor thing, you'll be killed! Oh no!  :(

The rules do not say you cannot use key bindings...
Posted on: August 17, 2007, 07:35:08 AM
An Exact quote of the rules-

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Argonath RPG server is an International Community. Please, speak ENGLISH ONLY. Swearing language is NOT allowed.

 
- no cheats, no mods, no hacks;
- no helikilling, no carkilling, no ramming, no carjacking;
- no glitches, that give you advantage over other players (crusader armour glitch, attacking from glitched areas);
- no pausing when combat;
- no revenge killing;
- no flood the chat window;
- no spam (advertisment of other servers and sites, that do not belong to Argonath RPG server is NOT allowed);
- no flame/insult players. If you came to play on our server - respect it and our players
 
The rules on Argonath RPG are simple. All players are expected to do role-play. Deathmatching is strictly forbidden and will be punished by kick or ban.

For each skin there is a basic role, but players are free to use their imagination.
The idea is that we all live in a corrupt city, with a lot of criminals. However that does not mean that civilians are allowed to use their weapons at any time. If they are shot at, do what would happen in real life: panic and run. Only cops are allowed to shoot back, but even for cops there are limits.

These are the basic roles for the VC characters:

COP: This is the police force. They try to keep the streets free of criminals and when it is done they sit around eating donuts or give tickets for speeding. Cops are not allowed to kill other cops or innocent civilians. But if they jail or shoot a criminal they are rewarded.

CRUSADER: A crusader is a security guard, He can secure stores, or transport money from the malls to the bank. However, as in real life, he does not have the right to kill when he is attacked. If attacked he should call the cops for support.

SAILOR: A sailor is in town to look for action. They are drug smugglers and dealers, will look for whores and steal cars. After a lot of time on sea, and knowhing their ship will sail soon, they have little respect for the law. But sometimes sailors decide to stay and become shop owners as well.

MEXICAN: Having fled the poverty of Mexico, Mexicans are willing to do any job to survive in the city. They are cleaners, taxi drivers, and open small cafe's or shops. And if they can not get money the honest way, they will be criminal and deal drugs or steal money. Not all immigrants are legal. Those without greed card will hide from the police and in the mean time try to get enough money to buy their green card.

SECRET SERVICE: The name is misleading. These are the middle and high class civilians. They own stores, clubs and do all kinds of business. Not all of their business has to be legal.

ROBBERS: In stpite of their look, not all robers are criminal. They are technicians, garage owners or window cleaners. And of course they can be real robbers.

A key binding is NOT a glitch

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Deffinition of "glitch" from Google-

A minor malfunction, mishap, or technical problem; a snag: a computer glitch; a navigational glitch; a glitch in the negotiations.
A false or spurious electronic signal caused by a brief, unwanted surge of electric power.
Astronomy. A sudden change in the period of rotation of a neutron star.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Watti on August 17, 2007, 09:11:52 am
Watti... You are not a Admin. As Aragorn told you in the SA Admin Applications.

Dont make up youre own rules, Stop.. sucking up at the Admins.. really

And...

Are you telling us we cannot turn off the BUILT INTO SAN ANDREAS OPTIONS? (Frame Limitor)

And where dose it say No Macros?

LOl you call a Macro a Hack?

This is what a hack is accordign to google search "hack"

         To gain access to (a computer file or network) illegally or without authorization: hacked the firm's personnel database.

I Am not an Admin... i know im not an admin, I am not making my own rules

I have learnd Trust me.... No MARCOS!!... Marco is a Hack... :)... if you press a button to get a Words... it is a Hack / Marco/ Keybind...

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=30&topic=188.0

:)... as From Main admin
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: BiteMe on August 17, 2007, 09:17:23 am
Watti... You are not a Admin.

This is very stupid, you don't need to be an admin to tell others what the rules are...Watti knows the rules very well as most of the players on argonath do too, anyone can tell people the rules of the server. If you're waiting for an admin to say so, you'll just get the same answer.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Watti on August 17, 2007, 09:18:07 am
BTW I lag like Any ting.. i dont realy care.. :))) cause i am busy :P... and i like to have some fun

As u see.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Andre9977 on August 17, 2007, 10:23:34 am
DasKorn, firstly i am thinking that you WONT fit into cop's role because you DM as a cop
Secondly, YOU DONT PATROL ALONE. YOu have a partner on right seat, who takes 100% of communicating and /m'ing. YOu concentrate on driving.

Keybinds could be useful, but no...
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: niveks on August 17, 2007, 10:56:01 am
as a cop i be killed by my suspect cause im writting "/m surrender!" or something
keyblind can be practical, but i dont use that, so i catch less suspect and i be killed more times :conf:
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 11:31:16 am
As some her pointing out that a Glitch or Hack is taking advantage above other player then LAGGING is a glitch / hack to. If you lag you get advantage above other players in for example the fight club.

Server rules:

 - no glitches, that give you advantage over other players (crusader armour glitch, attacking from glitched areas)
Quote
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And as Sickness noted:

Definition of "glitch" from Google-

A minor malfunction, mishap, or technical problem; a snag: a computer glitch; a navigational glitch; a glitch in the negotiations.
A false or spurious electronic signal caused by a brief, unwanted surge of electric power.
Astronomy. A sudden change in the period of rotation of a neutron star.

So lag can be considered as a glitch.

As Watti posted:
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BTW I lag like Any ting.. i dont realy care.. )) cause i am busy :P... and i like to have some fun As u see.

So actually you are glitching all the time, and that's not allowed if even macro's (not even listed as glitches or hacks) aren't allowed.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Gimli on August 17, 2007, 11:43:24 am
Yes, this is against the rules. I have created a topic about keybinds in the past, when I joined Argonath.
Keybinds (either a program or a keyboard) give you an advantage over other players.

We do not allow bind keys on server...
1. It is not an original SA:MP feature (hack)...
2. It is abusive...
3. It has advantage over other players...
Source: Bind keys topic - SA: General Discussion (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3262.0)

Possibilty of flooding and because it can cause unfair gameplay.
Source: Short-keys - SA:General Discussion (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=6141.0)

-xcasio
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Shifter on August 17, 2007, 11:50:32 am
Yes, this is against the rules. I have created a topic about keybinds in the past, when I joined Argonath.
Keybinds (either a program or a keyboard) give you an advantage over other players.
Source: Bind keys topic - SA: General Discussion (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3262.0)
Source: Short-keys - SA:General Discussion (http://www.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=6141.0)

-xcasio

xcasio said it all.......
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on August 17, 2007, 12:33:28 pm
I have a G 11 keyboard , wich is almost the same . I asked about it and got the answer NO keybinds are NOT alowed , so I dont use them

BUT i dont agree with it as its NOT cheating , i think its about gaming skill , not who can type the fastest and since you can already use the up key to get the last 5 messages we all use keybinds in a way..

now i know people are going to say Its not fair because not all have such a keyb , but thats normal in online gaming some have a better pc than others nobody complains about that yet higher fps give an advantage in fighting.

To conclude It is not alowed and although i dont agree with it it is an admins job to uphold the rules SO I WIL
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 17, 2007, 01:34:16 pm
You're makeing no sense
i know man, come on, i was up for 47 hour's :redface:
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Das-Korn on August 17, 2007, 01:46:40 pm
DasKorn, firstly i am thinking that you WONT fit into cop's role because you DM as a cop
Secondly, YOU DONT PATROL ALONE. YOu have a partner on right seat, who takes 100% of communicating and /m'ing. YOu concentrate on driving.

Keybinds could be useful, but no...


LoL

I can only Laugh naw ^^

What for a Stupid conclusion. I cant belive it.

So, im A Hacker and a DMer when i dont want to tipe some long words ?

ROFL


So i dont want to read longer about that topic, becouse im just will be called a Hacker a Dethmatcher or more stupid Thinks.

But i can say, i do my Job as a Cop with the G15 Keys better then i do him with out.

It is disturbing for me to tipe in a nother language some long words when im follow a Suspect, Thats Fakt!



And i can say. In CounterStrike you have a Voice System or you go to TS. Ok in Argonath you can go on TS too, BUT there are no Suspects with them i can comunicate !  Hmm so im asking me, why the hell is the using of the key contraction's forbidden ?
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Gimli on August 17, 2007, 01:54:53 pm
So, im A Hacker and a DMer when i dont want to tipe some long words ?
Actually he said that you DM, it's not because you don't want to type long words and I have actually seen you abusing /su..
Typing "surrender" takes up what...1,2,3 seconds?

There might be a command in the new scripts like /sur ;)

-xcasio ;)
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Das-Korn on August 17, 2007, 02:00:59 pm
Actually he said that you DM, it's not because you don't want to type long words and I have actually seen you abusing /su..
Typing "surrender" takes up what...1,2,3 seconds?

There might be a command in the new scripts like /sur ;)

-xcasio ;)

Yes i have a contraction: "t/m Surrender !?!" But i use this only as a Cop and only then when im following a Suspect.

But are this commands like this from me: "t/l Put you Hands Up" and "t/l Get in the PoliceCar" Hacking ? i mean i dont want tipe these. when i can tipe G1 , G2.



So why tipe "/sur" when i only need to tipe only one kay?


And when the "glitches" here on Argonath are forbidden. I mean then the "Lagging" player like allready sayd must be banned and forbidden too.   
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: BiteMe on August 17, 2007, 02:06:30 pm
If you choose to use keybinds it is an advantage of other players and it is considered hacking..
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Das-Korn on August 17, 2007, 02:11:45 pm
If you choose to use keybinds it is an advantage of other players and it is considered hacking..



^^ And when you're Lagging and i cant Kill you when you're a Suspect in the Game is it "glitching" so you must be banned.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 02:13:42 pm
If you choose to use keybinds it is an advantage of other players and it is considered hacking..

Having a high ping is taking advantages to then ( especially in fightclubs ), so high pingers should be banned to?
Posted on: August 17, 2007, 02:12:28 PM
OMG I was thinking ( and typing at the same time) the same  as Das-Korn xD, but indeed lag is advantage above other players and should be considered hacking to then.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Carhartt on August 17, 2007, 02:39:45 pm
I have the G15 too and i stop the suspects without macros ...  :conf:
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Watti on August 17, 2007, 02:51:07 pm
Actually.. lag isnt a glitch, its a forced present Connection that Has the unability to Have a Fast connection, thus not a glitch
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Yeah_Ok on August 17, 2007, 03:16:24 pm
Anything which gives u an advantage over other players is not allowed. Its called fairplay., of course, high pings is an exception., which is why, questions has been raised regarding that. For instance, auto-kick players with high ping.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 03:27:42 pm
Actually.. lag isnt a glitch, its a forced present Connection that Has the unability to Have a Fast connection, thus not a glitch

It is, its not the unability of a faster connection its just the player's supine for not taking a faster connection.
A connection is not a forced present, you can change it just like you can change your computer specs.
Because if you consider a connection as forced present than my G15 keyboard has forced presents ( like macro's ) to, I cant take them of the keyboard.
 

Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: rJCaiG on August 17, 2007, 03:36:01 pm
That G15 looks sexy..
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 03:38:40 pm
That G15 looks sexy..

Yeah, it does  :D
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Das-Korn on August 17, 2007, 03:52:11 pm
I will use the Macros like i used them before. The Admins can kick or bann me. But i dont give up with this.

"Yeah_Ok" what is Unfair at the KeyLocks ?     Hacks are Unfair DMer are Unfair . WTF is unfair at KeyLocks ?  Or do you have fear that i can "Suspect" you Faster then normal when you do Shit ? Or do you have fear that im Ask you every time for Surrender ? when im follow you, and you can't say after that, i killed you and i dont asked for Surrender?
Or do you have fear that i can Tell you to Stop your car faster then normal ?

Men people what are you're problem ?


"Yeah_Ok" when you want to tell me that is Unfair to use Macros. Then i can tell you that all who have better CPU's, Graphikcards, Mainboards are Unfair.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 03:56:54 pm
For my view: If macro useage is consider hacking then having lag is hacking to.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Marc2984 on August 17, 2007, 03:59:09 pm
Did you actually see the quotes from gandalf and aragorn? It's forbidden and if we (admins) ban you for it, I'm not sure if you will be unbanned for it because you know it's forbidden and you just break them.

Don't use them, then is the problem solved. And I don't care if we call it glitches, cheats, peanutbutter or whatever, it's just not allowed.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Das-Korn on August 17, 2007, 04:02:07 pm
Quote from: [H2K
"it's just not allowed".


Ahh all laws, are they stupid or not, are good ? Do you think so ?


Ahh i have the MX518, the mouse have 1600 dpi. Also when some one other have a mouse with only 800 dpi. Im Unfail ?
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: rJCaiG on August 17, 2007, 04:10:26 pm
Requesting topic lock.
Reason: Off-Topic and flaming at main admins.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 04:32:04 pm
Okay then i "Wont" use my macros  :redface:
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 04:32:37 pm
Im not using them for Samp so Im not bannable for that.
I'm only discussing this because there is no actual reason to ban a player for using macro's.
Macro usage is the same as having a high ping, a lower Frame Rate, having a higher DPI mouse or even as Having English as your native language.
I really haven't thought about that last thing, but Its a fact that a person types faster in his native language.
The last thing might be far fetched, but its the same thing as other listed things.
Its just insane ( even if it is listed as not allowed by main admins ) to consider macro use as glitching.
Even if I dont use the macro on Samp I am replying to this topic because sertain things are not really correct. For example the macro thing.
Because if thats glitching a ping kicker shouldn't be considered as unfair.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: KriminalAer on August 17, 2007, 04:39:19 pm
What happens if i purposefully use my dial-up instead of my broadband connection to win fights as a suspect and out run the cops easier?

Take John_Hafford for example, we know he is a lagger and he is on dial-up so it's not his fault. But what if he actually has a broadband connection he chooses not to use?

We can't prove he doesn't and it gives him a massive advantage, im not complaining or anything but in the same respect people could choose to use slow connections just like someone can choose to get a G15 and use the macros.

Its easy for me, i don't need the macros because english is my native language and i can touch type quickly, enough to type in a chase etc. but that does make it unfair on those who can't type fast or don't know english well, i often see myself escaping from cops when they randomly slow down to try and type 'surrender'.

I just think there is some uneveness in the rule, and i can't see anything wrong with macros. I can spam by just pressing T and then the Up key anyway.... so macros don't help to spam. You could even put a macro program on the argonath website so everyone would have the same advantage.

Just my thoughts, im not complaining or advocating the changing of the rules or anything. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Marc2984 on August 17, 2007, 04:47:34 pm
A discussion is good, but stay ontopic. It's about keybinds now, not about pings or something.

And if you want the rules to be changed, first follow them after that we can talk further. Now you break them first and want them to be changed, that's not the right way.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Das-Korn on August 17, 2007, 04:51:49 pm
A discussion is good, but stay ontopic. It's about keybinds now, not about pings or something.

And if you want the rules to be changed, first follow them after that we can talk further. Now you break them first and want them to be changed, that's not the right way.

The thing is im never known that Argonath have a Rule that says that i cant use Macros. Sorry. Yesterday was the first time as i known this rule. Im never thinked that something like macros can be forbidden in a game. Sorry.


And Thanks for: KriminalAer for this long contribution
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 05:30:39 pm
A discussion is good, but stay ontopic. It's about keybinds now, not about pings or something.

And if you want the rules to be changed, first follow them after that we can talk further. Now you break them first and want them to be changed, that's not the right way.

One thing to make clear, I am not breaking the rules because I don't use the macro function on Samp, the ping example only subjects the counterpart. High Ping gives a player an huge advantage in for example Fight clubs ( almost something like Godmode / Godlike ) to, probably a much bigger advantages then using macro's for example the microphone while in a chase. But why are macro's considered as hacks or glitches while lag is one of the most normal things on the server. I just cant catch the "furry" against using macro's, while on the other hand simple things like a ping kick script are totally unacceptable? Is it me so wondering or am I someone who doesn't see the link?
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Marc2984 on August 17, 2007, 05:41:49 pm
Again: this is not about ping. And as we are on a RP server and not on a DM server, we don't have to fight, so stop the crap about ping.

I understand that you heard yesterday that it's not allowed, but please don't use them anymore.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: DeeJay on August 17, 2007, 06:36:41 pm
I believe its illegal to use cause of spamming the server by macros shortcuts
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 06:38:18 pm
Again: this is not about ping. And as we are on a RP server and not on a DM server, we don't have to fight, so stop the crap about ping.

I understand that you heard yesterday that it's not allowed, but please don't use them anymore.

Again: this is not about ping. And as we are on a RP server and not on a DM server, we don't have to fight, so stop the crap about ping.

I understand that you heard yesterday that it's not allowed, but please don't use them anymore.

In Fight clubs you have to fight, and fight clubs are scripted into the Argonath script.
Police has sometimes the urge to shoot a wanted criminal, and also that is a part on Argonath.

Again: Ping is an example for showing a huge totally allowed advantage over others ( listed as a glitch ).
Its not offtopic: If I would have a topic about "We ban all France players because they are part of Europe" while we do allow German players. Even if Germans doesn't have anything to do with France players we will notice that it is actually unfair for the France players while German players will not get banned for the reason France is part of Europe.

Now with the ping:
"The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?" actually means "Is usage of macro's allowed on Argonath because they are considered as advantages?"
With the sample above in mind: "We ban all players that use macro's because they have an advantage above other players" while we allow Players with a high Ping. Even if Players with a high Ping doesn't have anything to do with players that use macro's, we will notice that it is actually unfair for the Players that use macro's because they both players with a high ping and players that use macro's  has advantages over others and only the players that use macro's will get banned.

I don't know the English for it but "Gelijke monikken gelijke kappen" what means: "If one advantage results in a ban, all advantages should result in a ban".



 :ps: I never said I've heard about the ban on using macro's yesterday for the first time.

 :ps: Spamming can be done to with "T" and arrow UP.

Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Andre9977 on August 17, 2007, 07:07:00 pm
Das-Korn, if you dont know how to be a cop, then you don't deserve it. if you patrol, you need a partner:

You: 100% Driving
Your partner: 100% Communicating, which includes /m PULL OVER.

Do you understand or shall i make it red? Keybinds are not allowed.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Marc2984 on August 17, 2007, 07:11:43 pm
We do not allow bind keys on server...
1. It is not an original SA:MP feature (hack)...
2. It is abusive...
3. It has advantage over other players...

Possibilty of flooding and because it can cause unfair gameplay.

I don't gonna waste my time with this nonsense, all what you have to know is above. If I see somebody is using keybinds (with a program or with hardware) - ban

I hope it's clear now.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 07:48:35 pm
Then... Aragorn and/or Gandalf made the mistake of not saying keybinding were not aloud to the rule list.. It is NOT listed there. He is innocent. Wayne should of informed him that keybindings were not aloud

Edit: please post with normal text
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Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: ItwasBrad on August 17, 2007, 07:50:16 pm
No Keybinds is a rule.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 07:54:32 pm
No Keybinds is a rule.

That is not listed on rules.argonathrpg.com (http://rules.argonathrpg.com) Admins always advise us to go there for the server rules. Nobody was ever told to look up information about youre key bindings
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 17, 2007, 08:06:49 pm
Man, i dont see why its so bad, ok im driving after a suspect and i type fast as hell and for me to type !sur or Surrender Take's like 1/4 of a second maybe a bit more, and Das-Korn isnt english, he has to think what to type cause english isnt his native language.

i do not see why you guy's are crying about Keybind's because its not making you run faster, it dosnet make you lose health slower, you cant shoot faster, liek wtf is the deal?

so i must be a hacker then cause i cant type as fast as it take Das Korn to press G1 - G15? all he has it set to is like /m surrender & shit. dosnet affect me
dsoent affect everyone else
Admin's are just mad that all he has to do is press a button for !sur or Surrender and they have to type.
Boo fucking hoo.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 17, 2007, 08:09:08 pm
Its the same as banning someone for the ability to multi-task very well  :conf:
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Wayne on August 17, 2007, 08:17:58 pm
any kinds of multi tasks hack,keybinds,Aimbots,bots are not allowed.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Prometheus[NL] on August 17, 2007, 08:22:58 pm
Requesting topic lock.
Reason: Off-Topic and flaming at main admins.

Giac i havent seen one flame ...stating an opinion isnt flaming ....AND marc is a big boy he can defend himself  :lol:

its like it is , i dont like the no jacking rule also , but its there so i enforce it ..thats all ladies and gents

one thing I think this rule is MOSTLY because the flood risk , indeed there are so many aids a gamer can buy im sure ther are lots of players with better hardware out there
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Tice on August 17, 2007, 08:23:38 pm
We know they're not allowed. What people are trying to say is that there is no legit reason for them to not be allowed.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Wayne on August 17, 2007, 08:26:18 pm
 :ps: das-korn i have just warned you not saying you will be banned using that..
but if we caught you keybiding = ban
keybinds are hacks like others.
cheats = ban
keybinds may NOT considered be glitch they are hacks.
Requesting Topic Lock.
reason: end of discusion
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 08:28:44 pm
We know they're not allowed. What people are trying to say is that there is no legit reason for them to not be allowed.
Exactly.

@Wayne, Multi-tasking is not allowed? But that means human beings aren't allowed to play at all xD. Or we have to let go off our mouse watch at the screen, close our eyes, move the mouse........ XD. But what is you opinion to "Players having a high ping so they become godlike ïn shoot-outs?"
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: ItwasBrad on August 17, 2007, 08:32:30 pm
Simple rule, stick to it.

in MTA, spamming is a ban, same applies, the keybinds are liable to cause flooding.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Wayne on August 17, 2007, 08:40:57 pm
multi tasking hacks i mean
easy to explain what this scum
the player just sets the multi tasker
and he goes aways and his character gonna do lots of tasks while hes away
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on August 17, 2007, 08:46:36 pm
@ Wayne........What the Fuck Does that have to do with this topic?

and how do you know if someone is using a keybind/Macro? alot of us here at Argonath type fast as hell, so if i tyep fast, im using a macro?

:lol:
Posted on: August 17, 2007, 07:45:41 PM
The LoL Train

 
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: =  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 17, 2007, 09:09:12 pm
Simple rule, stick to it.

in MTA, spamming is a ban, same applies, the keybinds are liable to cause flooding.

Cars are #1 deathliest weapon in Europe, that doesn't mean cars should be forbiddin.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: BiteMe on August 18, 2007, 12:01:15 am
First of all,
1.Keybinds are used so that you can press a button and text will come up..
2.Not all players have keybinds so it is an advantage over other players.
3.All the other players have to manually type the commands/text.
4.The time it takes for you to press a button and the time it takes for the others to type the text will be different.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Neave on August 18, 2007, 12:11:35 am
First of all,
1.Keybinds are used so that you can press a button and text will come up..
2.Not all players have keybinds so it is an advantage over other players.
3.All the other players have to manually type the commands/text.
4.The time it takes for you to press a button and the time it takes for the others to type the text will be different.

Well some people have Good PCs, Which gives me an advantage.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: NeoStream on August 18, 2007, 12:43:20 am
First of all,
1.Keybinds are used so that you can press a button and text will come up..
2.Not all players have keybinds so it is an advantage over other players.
3.All the other players have to manually type the commands/text.
4.The time it takes for you to press a button and the time it takes for the others to type the text will be different.

And some players have laggy connection what means an advantage for them to.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Watti on August 18, 2007, 12:56:36 am
ok Guys.. im gunna end this shit fight.. but its quite funny

1. Good computers oooooooo Doesnt affect Text, or much game play, might slow it down

2. Bad connection, learn other guys lag.. Takes about a month.. i have learned

3. KEY BINDS ARE HACKS/ MACROS DONT USE THEM

4. Jeez Sickness are you stupid.. here is the link ONCE AGAIN : http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=188.0

Dont make me repeat that

5. Stop going on about Lag. its one thing we cannot control... are we gunna move 10000 KM just to play a bloody game... Get stuffed

6. It has nothing to do with good computers, some guys cant afford computers.. (good ones)

7. If you soee some one flooding... OMG.. take a screen shot.. send it to [email protected]

8. reminder IT IS NOT LAG IT IS NOT COMPUTERS Key binds are hacks, end of Story
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: BiteMe on August 18, 2007, 01:19:38 am
People can't control their internet connection, would you like to pay for the fastest internet connection for everyone, NeoStream?
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Yeah_Ok on August 18, 2007, 01:31:44 am
I will use the Macros like i used them before. The Admins can kick or bann me. But i dont give up with this.

"Yeah_Ok" what is Unfair at the KeyLocks ?     Hacks are Unfair DMer are Unfair . WTF is unfair at KeyLocks ?  Or do you have fear that i can "Suspect" you Faster then normal when you do Shit ? Or do you have fear that im Ask you every time for Surrender ? when im follow you, and you can't say after that, i killed you and i dont asked for Surrender?
Or do you have fear that i can Tell you to Stop your car faster then normal ?

Men people what are you're problem ?


"Yeah_Ok" when you want to tell me that is Unfair to use Macros. Then i can tell you that all who have better CPU's, Graphikcards, Mainboards are Unfair.

Settle down fool !!!
I would suggest u something,, an Anger Management Course, u really need one. Dont go on flaming haphazardly. Just follow the bloody rule and stop this nonsense.

Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: rJCaiG on August 18, 2007, 02:22:23 am
Flaming will NOT BE TOLERATED. This is NOT a flame war, it is a DISCUSSION. DO NOT LET IT escalate into a FLAME WAR.

An alternative for using keybinds is to do /m SURRENDER
then press up and press enter
do that as many times as you need, and shit, you're set to go.

Requesting topic lock
Reason: Flaming, off topic.
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Watti on August 18, 2007, 02:41:36 am
thats a feature which is by SAMP.. i use it.. but only little
Title: Re: The G15 Keyboard Not allowed on Argonath ?
Post by: Kaltsu on August 18, 2007, 08:17:24 am
Keybinds are considered as cheats/mods/hacks, as they give a huge advantage over other players.

Want to see it in the rules list?
- no cheats, no mods, no hacks;

You're welcome.

And what comes to the ping, it is a totally different thing. Ping is a thing, you cannot usually affect. But using keybinds is totally volunteer, so you are not forced to use them unless you want to.

Now you propably will say: "Get a better connection". Well, I'm sure that everybody with high ping are already aiming to get a better connection, but that is not always possible either.

I noticed you were talking about people like John_Hafford for example. Well, I can assure you guys, I have helped John_Hafford personally to improve his ping, but the truth is that he lives in a small town in Maine, where there is no broadband connection available. So he's only choice is to use a 56k modem.

And anyway, this discussion is supposed to be about keybinds, not ping.

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