Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: FlameMan on May 10, 2011, 01:27:23 am
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Hello,
I've got an idea of creating the Argonath University (soon will be opened as FlameMan's University). Bascially what I want to create there is experienced, trained and active Teaching Staff. In the University, people would be able to learn many things. Everyone would be able to join and learn there. We would have civil faculties and police ones.
Lessons would contain:
- Roleplay (taught by Masters of Roleplay, like Jcstodds / Frank Hawk / Olari)
- Basic State Law / Rules / Regulations - After those lessons, player will be prepared for the CMB Passport Test.
- Advanced State Law - lessons for Civilians and everyone who maybe didn't have ever chance to get known with the Argonath Law.
- Driving lessons in 3 cities - LS (AVDS/LSDS), LV (LVDS), SF (SFDS).
- Police faculty (every police officer no matter of rank in ARPD / SAPD, will be able to train there. This faculty will be based on the old - first SAPD Academy made fully by me, with my own training programme, which used to work). Experienced Police Officers would be professors there.
My idea contains changing completely system of Driving Lessons. Argonath (FlameMan's if unofficial) University would cooperate with one driving school per city. Driving Schools would NOT BE ABLE to give out driver licenses anymore.
CMB would be renamed to Citizenship and Licensing Board (CLB), and they would test player for passport, and after lessons from Driving School - for driver license.
Obviously, the main leadership above the Argonath University would have the Argonath Government - Gandalf and RON. That would be state organisation, like SAPD with the own leader.
And these are the first idea's which came to me while thinking of the University. What do you think? If you have any suggestions / comments feel free to leave them here :)
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So technically, you will take over all driving schools and no one else will have the ability to hand out passports/licenses except you?
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It sounds awesome! And one idea should be too get ONE driving school instead of three. Police Academy is needed and the rest is good aswell.
Good luck
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So technically, you will take over all driving schools and no one else will have the ability to hand out passports/licenses except you?
My dear, I'm really tired of your provocations. Everyone who can check your posts, will see your attitude towards me in every my topic.
No, I will not take over anything. I want to implement a nice co-operating together organisations, which will have different leadership.
As you can see (if you can see):
Obviously, the main leadership above the Argonath University would have the Argonath Government - Gandalf and RON. That would be state organisation, like SAPD with the own leader.
As for CLB, dont treat the organisation personally. CLB is not equal to FlameMan, and FlameMan is not equal to CLB. CLB will have trained and active Staff which won't bother in teaching, just testing.
Like in real life, teachers are not the same as examiners. Examiners are different people, not connected to driving school.
CLB would become the independent Exam Centre.
It sounds awesome! And one idea should be too get ONE driving school instead of three. Police Academy is needed and the rest is good aswell.
Good luck
Yeah I thought of creating ONE driving school, with different departments / divisions in each city. But I thought if I will post it, members of each DS' will start like; "no coz my DS is better than the other one".
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I am still very sceptic to this idea...
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So, you would teach? but not examine? in simple terms, am I right?
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I would personally like to know what are the benefits of this over the current system and why is this idea depriving driving schools of their rights to operate as a separate entity (knowing that all schools have a different level of organization)?
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IMO you can't really teach role-play. It's a matter of individual creativity.
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Cant believe im saying this but wow curse's idea was better.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61107.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61107.0)
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So, you would teach? but not examine? in simple terms, am I right?
University would co-operate with Driving Schools, which would teach. I wouldn't as I'm not the driver instructor :)
Driving Schools couldn't examine anymore, only teach.
CLB members (Citizenship and Licensing Board) would be the only one to test them and decide whether they deserve license or not :)
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I like this! I see what you mean, it would be good to bring these things together...It is clear you do not want control, so people making provocative comments are clearly of low intelligence :D
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IMO you can't really teach role-play. It's a matter of individual creativity.
Yeah, prob you understood me wrong. I also didn't like those "RolePlay school", but all I want to do, is to show to the new players how old roleplay looked like. When scripts were not necessery, and people could do everything with /me command :P I want to teach them history of Argonath Scripts in Roleplay class, and some other good things, which would be mentioned in the training programme (to be accepted by the Government).
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Finally a guy who got common sense and want to help the new players instead of shitting on them and only moan against them, really admire you FlameMan.
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Finally a guy who got common sense and want to help the new players instead of shitting on them and only moan against them, really admire you FlameMan.
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I really like your idea FlameMan, with some improvements and some ideas it will be very good.
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Yeah, prob you understood me wrong. I also didn't like those "RolePlay school", but all I want to do, is to show to the new players how old roleplay looked like. When scripts were not necessery, and people could do everything with /me command :P I want to teach them history of Argonath Scripts in Roleplay class, and some other good things, which would be mentioned in the training programme (to be accepted by the Government).
define: old role-play, and while at it, how does it differ from nowadays' role-play. Different people call different times as "old".
Sure that scripts are unnecessary, and this in fact includes the /me command. In the old days (my personal reference), we usually used /me because there was nothing else to use. Not "because it's best". Now when SAMP has animations, skins, objects, etc. /me is often redundant and unneeded.
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With so big organisation will income rank hungrines to get ability have somthing what others can't have and coruption,better stick to somthing one for start to test out how it works.
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First off, this should be in the ideas topic.
No matter how you look at it, this is still an idea
And the system is fine the way it is now anyway.
Like in real life
This ain't real life.
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This ain't real life.
I do not understand this response!
If an idea is made which happens in real life, it is not always labelled like that!
When the SAPD was made, you didn't see people saying "This ain't real life",
When the FBI was made, you didn't see people saying "This ain't real life",
When gangs were made, you didn't see people saying "This ain't real life",
When the ATC Service was made, you didn't see people saying "This ain't real life",
When Argonath World Records was made, you didn't see people saying "This ain't real life",
When Driving Schools were made, you didn't see people saying "This ain't real life",
Should I continue, or has my point been made?
Whether it links to real life or not, this is a fair RP idea, don't add posts which are not constructive. It's just a waste of time.
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First off, this should be in the ideas topic.
No matter how you look at it, this is still an idea
The Ideas board is for script ideas.
If an idea is made which happens in real life, it is not always labelled like that!
If something is a copy of a system or how a thing works in general like in real life (though could happen in alternate/surreal/fantasy worlds too), it's usually OK.
If something is a direct copy of how is something done in detail, just because it's done like that in real life (and what usually comes with it, requests to force it to be the only "proper" solution), it's a bad idea.
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Seriously you gotta be kidding me... nothing bad but...
1) You can't teach roleplay, every person has to learn it via an RP scene.
2)If you would put olari to create one then... sorry but you know, and frank would be like AFK 9/10th of the time.
This ain't gonna work... we all know why.
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Grz, people choose to RP how they wish. So unless you can prove to me that we cannot RP as something in real life, I am not going to hold the post in high regard.
People can be taught the basics of RP...
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This organization intends to be helpful to new citizens, this system sounds very comfortable to Argonath Society. This will help EVERY citizen understand the act of Role Play, because basically everyone is capable of learning one way or another. +1 Flameman
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This will be too complicated for many to understand. Argonath is suppose to be fun, not another school...
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Grz, people choose to RP how they wish. So unless you can prove to me that we cannot RP as something in real life, I am not going to hold the post in high regard.
Death/Combat: if you die, you do not respawn and lose everything. Just like in real life. Players do not role-play like it would be real life while at a heated shoot-out, they just shoot the opponent so he dies IN-GAME, meaning his HP bar (you don't have those in real life, do you?) drops to zero. You do not play combat situations like real-life, you play them like GTA.
And you missed the point of my post in the first place.
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Finally a guy who got common sense and want to help the new players instead of shitting on them and only moan against them, really admire you FlameMan.
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Olari
Who else had a giggle?
Post Merge: May 11, 2011, 01:42:12 am
1) You can't teach roleplay, every person has to learn it via an RP scene.
You damn well can teach roleplay standards, but you can't teach style...
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Flameman I should give you DS rights for SFDS and you go help "new players" out trust me its not just /DS spam you have to show newbies where the schools are to teach them and many people just say "Give me Give me" and others just right out beg because there a friend of a friend of a friend, yeah it may seem like all sunshine and rainbows to you flameman but if you want to bitch at the current system try being in it 1st and after a week of non stop dsing tell me if you still feel the same way.
Not to say i dont enjoy helping and giving people exams and tests and teaching the ways of driving in argo, its just half of the people dont have an attention span to retain such knowledge and just driving around in LS for an hour during peak times, I mean people are just happy they can buy cars.
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i know how it is, cause im giving out passports since 2008. I think you kinda misunderstand you job as DS teacher.. You see, new players are the potential of this server :P Without them Argonath would die sooner or later. Thats why we all should treat all players with high respect and frienship :P To stop them here :)
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It's nice caring idea but wasteful of time, resources etc.
Cant believe im saying this but wow curse's idea was better.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61107.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=61107.0)
:lol:
Thanks
I like this! I see what you mean, it would be good to bring these things together...It is clear you do not want control
Wait are you being sarcastic? :trust:
If not: "And these are the first idea's which came to me while thinking of the University. What do you think? If you have any suggestions / comments feel free to leave them here"
He asked for comments so let him have them.
This organization intends to be helpful to new citizens, this system sounds very comfortable to Argonath Society. This will help EVERY citizen understand the act of Role Play, because basically everyone is capable of learning one way or another. +1 Flameman
Like you said: everyone is capable of learning one way or another, they have done it without a university or something like this for years comfortably.
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If the highly regarded FlameMan University becomes STATE just like CMB is, will ( 100% ) Gandalf and Aragorn be consulted on every important thing? It's unlikely as that didn't seem to happen in CMB.
If you want your University to set off Flameman then try to do it for the other reasons not to control stuff, if a Driving School wants to do it, then let them but it should not be forced on others or praised as the only right way of doing things, it could be 99.9% wrong...
Thats why we all should treat all players with high respect and frienship :P
It is easy to say that for everyone, but not EVER always done.
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No, I wasn't being sarcastic :trust:
^Neither was that btw :lol:
I'm serious! He is only suggesting that this University thing will help new players, and show them where everything is. He is not trying to take control of these businesses, simply help guide new players towards them whilst helping them learn :roll:
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I like the idea, but I'm with the others on the part about Teaching RP. Everyone has their own style of RP.
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I don't want to lead them on any kind of roleplay style, I want to show them basics, how to use /me command, what is roleplay, what are the animations on the server, what scripts can be used in roleplay etc.
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I will agree to it on only one condition-
If every single active examiner+ of each driving school will agree to sacrifice their license rights then only it be implemented.
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Finally a guy who got common sense and want to help the new players instead of shitting on them and only moan against them, really admire you FlameMan.
Not the only one, I guess..
There are a plenty of them but the most doesn't go 'round yelling "e'yo look at me I help newplayers".
Must agree w/ Grz.
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I don't want to lead them on any kind of roleplay style, I want to show them basics, how to use /me command, what is roleplay, what are the animations on the server, what scripts can be used in roleplay etc.
Want help newcomers? Join /teacher team and have fun .
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I don't want to lead them on any kind of roleplay style, I want to show them basics, how to use /me command, what is roleplay, what are the animations on the server, what scripts can be used in roleplay etc.
Who is stopping you now? You can show them all these things now. Also it is already community job to do it, that means at least one person per new player should be active in-game all the time to teach him/her.
Want to teach basics? Sure go ahead. My experience tells me.
- The use of command /l to get the chat off from public.
- How to enter a car as a passenger.
- Get him/her to clothes shop, teaching the commands /enter /exit and /buyclothes also mention to use spacebar to choose things on menu.
- ammunation command /buyweapon (mostly because he/she has been asking for it for a long time already)
- Working for other players (I give him/her a mission to show how it is to work for other players, the /me command, also teach that sometimes role playing involves imaginary characters and objects)
- Drug business ( teaching commands /growweed and /harvestweed also /orderheroin and /collectheroin. Also /use weed and /use heroin and explain that you can sell it to other players.)
- Driver job - how to become a driver and the commands for it. I will also be his/her first customer to demonstrate.
- Fireman job - Show the place where to become a fireman and the commands, if possible go on a mission.
- Cop job - where to become a cop. Appropriate commands, also go on a patrol with him/her. (As I know myself only the basics if I can I find a more experienced cop to teach him/her)
After those 9 points I feel that a new player is trained enough to be able to play on Argonath or at least enough to be able to ask for help to play on Argonath.
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I hated the point (Not the only point though) where the new players got police academy. Why do policemen always have to claim all new players and turn them into orangemen chasing maniacs. You'll now come with 'BUT WE TRAIN THEM CUS WE GUD PEOPLE, WE DON'T DO DIS CUS WE WANNA BE ADMIN, WE DO DIS FOR ARGONATH'. Come on.
Now 80% of the players is already a cop, let some new players flood into the criminal wave of life. Not mentioning the way I9 currently recruits their new men 'Hi, wanna be balla?'. Now it's basically all new players who don't know anyone playing this game yet become a cop, and others who do know some regulars from the server who are criminals become criminals.
And don't even start the 'OMG UUUU TROOLLLL' because I'm not, I really hate everyone accusing everyone being a 'troll' when they don't even know the true meaning of the word.
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I hated the point (Not the only point though) where the new players got police academy. Why do policemen always have to claim all new players and turn them into orangemen chasing maniacs. You'll now come with 'BUT WE TRAIN THEM CUS WE GUD PEOPLE, WE DON'T DO DIS CUS WE WANNA BE ADMIN, WE DO DIS FOR ARGONATH'. Come on.
Now 80% of the players is already a cop, let some new players flood into the criminal wave of life. Not mentioning the way I9 currently recruits their new men 'Hi, wanna be balla?'. Now it's basically all new players who don't know anyone playing this game yet become a cop, and others who do know some regulars from the server who are criminals become criminals.
And don't even start the 'OMG UUUU TROOLLLL' because I'm not, I really hate everyone accusing everyone being a 'troll' when they don't even know the true meaning of the word.
I won't change your opinion, even tho it's wrong.
It has nothing to do with "i want to be admin". Pups and I created the CMB when I was already an admin, so it doesn't matter.
I want to implement something new and organised in Argonath, and as you can see - there will be faculties not for cops as well, i.e.: Argonath Law, so civilians will know when self defence is allowed, what weapons can be used, what is the maximum ticket fee etc.
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Hmm, its long been my belief that the Driving Schools should either merge, or be able to teach each others students, as I have had many AVDS, LSDS etc Students coming to me, an SFDS teacher, to give them lessons when I cannot.
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FlameMan, then 1 question;
What's wrong with how it's going now?
You can't just answer the new player's question? No you have to create a whole 'University' and record videos about you 'fighting' for a new players' career. To be honest it looks like you just want your name to be remembered and you're not doing this for other people.
This ain't provocative or whatever the forum moderators nowadays would say, it's just my opinion and I won't change it that easily.
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FlameMan, then 1 question;
What's wrong with how it's going now?
You can't just answer the new player's question? No you have to create a whole 'University' and record videos about you 'fighting' for a new players' career. To be honest it looks like you just want your name to be remembered and you're not doing this for other people.
This ain't provocative or whatever the forum moderators nowadays would say, it's just my opinion and I won't change it that easily.
To be honest, I really think of new players, as I can see a downhill in SA-MP, and Argonath means too much for me to let it go down. If you want, search for any hidden contextes, but seems that you just don't know me. Seems that you are sizing everyone with your own standard...
I'm not such a guy. What I don't like? Players have to run all over forum, to search how to get an exam in CMB / Driving School.
Every new player joining Argonath, would actually have fun in university, because that wouldn't be any school or work. Everything will be kept in the fun context.
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To be honest, I really think of new players, as I can see a downhill in SA-MP, and Argonath means too much for me to let it go down. If you want, search for any hidden contextes, but seems that you just don't know me. Seems that you are sizing everyone with your own standard...
I'm not such a guy. What I don't like? Players have to run all over forum, to search how to get an exam in CMB / Driving School.
Every new player joining Argonath, would actually have fun in university, because that wouldn't be any school or work. Everything will be kept in the fun context.
How do you know they would have fun? Have you spoken to the people that attained at the TeaM school for example? How did they think it was?
And no, SA:MP is not in a downhill.
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How do you know they would have fun? Have you spoken to the people that attained at the TeaM school for example? How did they think it was?
And no, SA:MP is not in a downhill.
I can speak a little bit 'bout TeaM School,as i'm a part of it's teachers.
It's not fun.Why? No one's interested in learning.Yea,some occasional guy PM's me,or some other teacher for help,but that's just all.The main factor of becoming a teacher in this was CASH,but i didnt recieved any.In fact,i didnt even ask for it,as i got nowhere to put it D:
I got nothing against this little project of FlameMan's.Let him do it,if he wish.I'm just not sure what will the outcome will be,as most new player aren't really interested in learning from Schools and Universities,but from random people,/help commands,or just on their own
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You're right Flameman, I do not know you as a person. I only know you from founding CMB, this and some other ideas I've seen. And I don't have some sort of 'Standard' for persons like you, in fact you're one of the few I've seen doing stuff like this.
As you've already been an admin I don't think you're doing this for admin rights, but I do not believe you're doing this just for the new players. Just because YOU, and maybe a few doom thinker friends of yours, see a downhill in SA:MP. Wow, we got a like 10 players less on a daily basis, shit man let's all suicide.
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FlameMan , you should know that every driving school has got different lesson program and amount of material . I don't think so that all driving schools will accept one the same lesson program. It would destroy all driving schools politic , and also it would make harder and longer make licenses for newbies. When they would do lessons , they will need to report on forum , then wait for acceptation on forum, then find "CLB" for an exam .
Your idea will just complicate for newbies getting licenses, and as everyone know that getting license and passport must be short and easy. Your whole idea with mixing Driving Schools with "CLB" would just discourage newbies to get license , and Driving schools can become useless.
I don't think so that driving schools will accept your idea .
CMB should teach people how to roleplay and give them passports . Driving Schools should teach people how to drive and give them licenses. Driving Schools and CMB are like two completely other worlds . Don't mix them or it will become honestly one big sh*t.
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All I want to change here, is that everyone should have the same level of knowledge of driving, no matter of driving school. And driving schools shouldn't give out exams, but lessons only...
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Don't make it more complicated than needed, it is fine as it is.
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Don't make it more complicated than needed, it is fine as it is.
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All I want to change here, is that everyone should have the same level of knowledge of driving, no matter of driving school.
There are only three confirmed traffic laws :
-speed limits
-driving on right side
-parking law
Everyone knows those laws. If driving school adds some more material, it's their own private decision.
And driving schools shouldn't give out exams, but lessons only...
Yes , in real-life it's completely different. But Argonath vision is making beginning for newcomers fast and simple, to not discourage newbies. It's Argonath - a world of it's own.
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Currently driving school teach their own stuff. Few times I took some guy to check his knowledge (he was asking to get driver license exam). None of them knew the right hand rule.. NONE of them... Driving Examiners know what teachers taught students, and they ask those things.. It should be completely different. One level of knowldge no matter of driving school, one level of expectation to pass exam.
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Right Hand Rule is not confirmed law by Argonath. I am teacher since February 2010 , and I know how should I teach newbies. I don't know like other driving schools are , but in our school examiner knows what beginner driver should know to get driving license.
If you blame on Argonathians' driving skills : Join Driving School -> Teach people -> Exam them .
One level of knowldge no matter of driving school, one level of expectation to pass exam.
As I said before , there are only three confirmed traffic laws; speed limits, parking, drive on right side . Every driving school teach newbies them. If you blame DS for lack of traffic knowledge which are not confirmed , you should blame Argonath laws for lack of confirmed laws. Driving Schools haven't got enough power to force Argonath to confirm more laws, it's only owners' decision - not us.
Don't mix CMB and DS into one because they are two completely other worlds.
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Driving lessons in 3 cities - LS (AVDS/LSDS), LV (LVDS), SF (SFDS)
AVDS is in LV, correctly in LVDS building for your information.
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Why fixing something that's not broken?
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RP in the driving schools has gone down dramatically in the past few months...I remember back in the days when I had Violet and Pazienza RPing with me a lot during my lessons and exam with AVDS :roll:
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I've been teaching new players for like three years, I might not brag about it, nor do it at the most crowded place, nevertheless I haven't had a problem teaching new players the basics without putting them into some sort of a school.
My personal opinion is - Instead of mass creating a school system. Adjust and fix the issues you see in the current one.