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Title: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on May 19, 2011, 05:40:04 pm
Hi,
Off late, we have been having this chap from a particular country who wants to spread hacked weapons on server. And why is he doing it? Because he has patrons, people who are so money hungry that they are looking for 10k sniper for $15k.
Well, here is what we, the administration, are looking for. We will look out, not just for hackers, but people who are buying it from them. Apparently, it is you guys who are giving him the boost for hacking weps.
"But we will not know who is hacking and who is not!"
Sure you wont. But you will know when a player account is made. Use the info, understand how a guy who has been on server for 5 days can sell 10k sniper for a cheap rate and play...
There is one and only one source for weapons - Ammunation. Anyone else selling it has either hacked it or bought it from a hacker.

Starting immediately all who are buying it from hackers will receive their ban too. We are tired of providing scripts to people who are just plain thankless and do shit like this.

And a ban received for such cases will last minimum 3 months...
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: .Tony on May 19, 2011, 05:45:37 pm
I was near to buy hacked weps. But i'm NOT buying weps from ppl...
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Pancher on May 19, 2011, 05:45:55 pm
SSSSSupported!
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: BlackEagle on May 19, 2011, 05:46:42 pm
There is one and only one source for weapons - Ammunation. Anyone else selling it has either hacked it or bought it from a hacker.
Exactly what I stated about a year ago, good sir. Now it came to be mentoined again.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Nathan on May 19, 2011, 05:58:13 pm
SSSSSupported!
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Gandalf on May 19, 2011, 06:02:09 pm
I would like to add that those who are protecting the certain banevader might end up with a routeblock from ALL servers, and this can include forums. We have blocked a country before, and can do it again.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Murt on May 19, 2011, 06:23:07 pm
I would like to add that those who are protecting the certain banevader might end up with a routeblock from ALL servers, and this can include forums. We have blocked a country before, and can do it again.

Beg my pardon Gandalf, but isn't route blocking a whole country for some individuals actions abit harsh?
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Julio. on May 19, 2011, 06:51:32 pm
There is one and only one source for weapons - Ammunation. Anyone else selling it has either hacked it or bought it from a hacker.

Uhm, right, let me get this straight.

If I have some weapons in my house I do not want, and need cash, selling people my weapons for an ever so slightly cheaper price than Ammunation to them is bannable?

Because that would make me a hacker right?



I would like to add that those who are protecting the certain banevader might end up with a routeblock from ALL servers, and this can include forums. We have blocked a country before, and can do it again.

Was it you, or Azellus Games that blocked Opal Telecom? I got mega pissed off when that happened as you know  :poke:
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Ben. on May 19, 2011, 06:54:05 pm
Yeah, the post is suggesting that you cannot sell spare weapons to people for a cheaper price if you do not need them  :trust:
I've never sold any of my spare weapons, but I'd rather not be seen as a hacker if I did  :roll:
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Ted on May 19, 2011, 06:58:56 pm
If your weapons are legitimate you have no need to worry...

I expect right now many will be clearing there inventory hoping to go unnoticed....
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Brad. on May 19, 2011, 07:03:58 pm
Beg my pardon Gandalf, but isn't route blocking a whole country for some individuals actions abit harsh?

They once routeblocked the UK on MTA:VC and me and three other admins couldn't get in touch with him for three days to get let through the block.  That was real fun.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Biggo2 on May 19, 2011, 07:11:32 pm
Question: What if a veteran sells hacked weapons? How will we know?
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Devin on May 19, 2011, 07:26:01 pm
Question: What if a veteran sells hacked weapons? How will we know?

If the price is ridiculously low, you should be able to realize it was hacked.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Uninhibited on May 19, 2011, 08:22:22 pm
If the price is ridiculously low, you should be able to realize it was hacked.

But if they are veterans, they will sell them to the standard price of selling a weapon.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Devin on May 19, 2011, 08:50:46 pm
But if they are veterans, they will sell them to the standard price of selling a weapon.

If theyre a veteran, I doubt they would skrew themselves over by selling hacked weapons. If they are a veteran you should be able to trust them too.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Murt on May 19, 2011, 09:19:47 pm
My time back in Gvardia I got pm's everyday that some guy from Israel wanted to sell me weapons like M4 and Sniper for 2$/bullet, I contacted the administration immediatly and he got banned  :lol:.

Good times, always was the same guy since he pm'ed me like this always "sir sir sir??? want weps ??? many wepps?????" and I just sure. And I told him I wanted as much as he had and he had 9999 bullets of each weapon.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Jimmy Fierro on May 19, 2011, 11:59:52 pm
So, if there are a hacker from norway, will you block norway from the server? Is that little hacker gonna ruin for all the good players from norway?
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Devin on May 20, 2011, 12:14:24 am
So, if there are a hacker from norway, will you block norway from the server? Is that little hacker gonna ruin for all the good players from norway?

This isnt just a small hacker problem, this is an on-going hacker causing problems for many nearly everyday. If there is no means to block him via a standard ban, it may have to go as serious as to block the whole country.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Violet on May 20, 2011, 12:24:03 am
Which country is this hacker from?
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Louis_Keyl on May 20, 2011, 12:29:53 am
I don't really know what are the today's prices since the last time i bought weapons was about 6 months ago while undercover :(
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: EminemRulez on May 20, 2011, 12:39:40 am
So weapon dealing might be forbidden too as if selling lower than the ammunation gets you banned, selling higher will get you 0 clients.

keyword: forbidden
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on May 20, 2011, 12:49:34 am
So, wait. Let's say awhile ago I bought hacked weapons, without knowing. I now try to sell them for a regular price, but am I banned for selling hacked weapons? I mean, I wouldn't know.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: JayCalian on May 20, 2011, 06:52:35 am
Which country is this hacker from?

There is one from Israel.

Question: What if a veteran sells hacked weapons? How will we know?

Veterans usually don't hack. If they have few money and a lot of weapons , we can always request a log check.

So, wait. Let's say awhile ago I bought hacked weapons, without knowing. I now try to sell them for a regular price, but am I banned for selling hacked weapons? I mean, I wouldn't know.

Well , if there's a new player and selling sniper. You shouldn't buy it as you know it may be hacked. Ask an Moderator+ to take a look at his weapons / stats.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: battle on May 20, 2011, 09:32:41 am
This isnt just a small hacker problem, this is an on-going hacker causing problems for many nearly everyday. If there is no means to block him via a standard ban, it may have to go as serious as to block the whole country.

Devin, it's that guy cutt3r is speaking about :)
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: CharlieKasper on May 20, 2011, 09:46:39 am
Veterans usually don't hack. If they have few money and a lot of weapons , we can always request a log check.
Well, There was a time when I had 2.6 Mil and brought crap loads of weapons, like ~30K of each weapon. Later I spent all the money and had like 50k-100k left, But still had those 30k m4, combat, deagle, SMG and around 10k of snipers.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Rusty on May 20, 2011, 10:07:01 am
Veterans usually don't hack.

Veteran or not they will still hack if they are desperate for money.
New Players could have gotten cash from a friend online who plays and went and bought weapons.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: saberman on May 20, 2011, 10:58:23 am
Hacker? Route-blocking?


/me prays the hacker ain't from Pakistan
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: BlackEagle on May 20, 2011, 11:57:20 am
The real troublemaker one is from Israel.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on May 20, 2011, 12:07:34 pm
Reminder: Do not instantly call every Israeli selling weapons a cheater, nor ignore the whole warning if the seller is from another country.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Eminem. on May 20, 2011, 12:17:55 pm
Thank God I don't have to buy weps from dealers  :pop:

Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Murt on May 20, 2011, 12:24:46 pm
Hacker? Route-blocking?


/me prays the hacker ain't from Pakistan

Well one of the hackers are from Israel and is banevading all the time and is selling hacked weapons to players.

Route blocking, block the access to the server. So if they routeblock a whole country, that country can join the server nor ping it what I think.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on May 20, 2011, 06:59:42 pm
Guys. Answers to all your questions such as 'What if the hacker is veteran' or 'Omg I have 30k weps now I cant sell em?' - this is already given in my first post. If you are still unclear regarding answers to your questions after you read the first post, then just don't sell them. You decide - is it better to sell it and PROBABLY get banned OR is it better to play on server with a little less money.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on May 20, 2011, 11:42:44 pm
Just a question: Can we buy weapons so we expose theese hackers as ones? So once we buy them, we /kill and /report to admins?
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Jack White on May 20, 2011, 11:53:03 pm
A looong time ago I bought 24K m4, for a reasonable street price. I got like 10k or something of those left, am I allowed to keep them? Check the logs if you want, the deal was with Alessandro_Gvardia.  If they are hacked,  feel free to remove them  :banana:
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Ted on May 20, 2011, 11:59:14 pm
Just a question: Can we buy weapons so we expose theese hackers as ones? So once we buy them, we /kill and /report to admins?

There is no need to go around exposing anybody of such as they do that themselves :)
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Murt on May 21, 2011, 06:05:35 pm
Now everyone thinks that every weapon dealer sells hacked weapons, it's not like that. You guys don't have be afraid so much, but just careful. If the prices aren't reasonable don't buy.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on May 21, 2011, 06:14:17 pm
Seeing that not many of you are thinking along the lines we thought you would I will present a situation to you.

Situation 1
Player 1: /ad Selling z0mg 5k Combat for 5k
Player 2: /whenmade 1
*Player 1 account made on 21-05-2011
Player 2(thinks): He could be hacking, should warn admins

The above situation is what we expect you to follow.

Situation 2
Player 1: /ad Selling z0mg 5k Combat for 5k
Player 2: /whenmade 1
*Player 1 account made on 21-05-2011
Player 2 (thinks): Hey that ain't cheap, I doubt  he is hacking even though he is new, I am gonna buy from him.

In this situation player 2 did wRONg! Guy is new, how the hell will he have 5k combat to sell without hacks?

In any situation, think logically. It will give you answers to any question, you need not even ask anything about rules or ingame-play to anyone then. Just think logically.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: games727 on May 21, 2011, 06:15:15 pm
damn i buy weapon from hacker now i got banned for it :( no one mention to me :(  guess i in bad LUCK
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Rusty on May 21, 2011, 07:10:56 pm
damn i buy weapon from hacker now i got banned for it :( no one mention to me :(  guess i in bad LUCK

Not anyone else's fault, just your's.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Blinky17 on May 21, 2011, 11:12:07 pm
basically what cutt3r is saying guys is that you can still buy and trade weapons, just if it seems like a super good deal, then do /whenmade and if its a new player, then alert admins, but if players been around for ages, then feel free to do what u want.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: games727 on May 22, 2011, 08:40:23 am
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Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: JayCalian on May 22, 2011, 09:29:27 am
Easiest way to find out if he's hacking - /whenmade him. If it's a new player , just alert admins. However , if the player is suspicious , you can still alert admins  :poke:
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Mashgash on May 22, 2011, 01:24:41 pm
Supported, good that you dealing with both parts.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Devin on May 22, 2011, 01:31:46 pm
A looong time ago I bought 24K m4, for a reasonable street price. I got like 10k or something of those left, am I allowed to keep them? Check the logs if you want, the deal was with Alessandro_Gvardia.  If they are hacked,  feel free to remove them  :banana:

No member of Gvardia hacks nor do they deal hacked weapons.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Exterminator on May 22, 2011, 03:59:16 pm
One question
Say i buy guns from a guy who has been playing here for like 3-4 months and he is a famous criminal or something but actually hacks guns and sells them.
I buy the guns from him and theres no way possible that comes in my head to check if hes a hacker and i buy guns from him.

In that case will i be banned?and if i were to be banned then will i be unbanned if i explain and prove that i didnt know he was a hacker and followed all procedures and common sense bounds
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Antonio. on May 22, 2011, 04:15:59 pm
Removed, will tell you why - Cutt3r
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on May 22, 2011, 05:24:51 pm
One question
Say i buy guns from a guy who has been playing here for like 3-4 months and he is a famous criminal or something but actually hacks guns and sells them.
I buy the guns from him and theres no way possible that comes in my head to check if hes a hacker and i buy guns from him.

In that case will i be banned?and if i were to be banned then will i be unbanned if i explain and prove that i didnt know he was a hacker and followed all procedures and common sense bounds

In such a case, no you will not be banned but your weps may be removed and cash will be refunded.
We are not illogical to ban a player who would have absolutely NO WAY to figure out if a person is possibly hacking. But when a person is new, with a little thought one can do the math and figure it all out.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Jellyfish on May 22, 2011, 05:28:22 pm
I have just one question,
If a regular hacks,and sells them successfully,
Will you be able to know that?
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: .Tony on May 22, 2011, 05:29:54 pm
I have just one question,
If a regular hacks,and sells them successfully,
Will you be able to know that?
People will report him for it, If they know that hes selling hacked weps etc..
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on May 22, 2011, 06:39:52 pm
I have just one question,
If a regular hacks,and sells them successfully,
Will you be able to know that?

Yes.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Karmps. on May 24, 2011, 10:05:08 am
If theyre a veteran, I doubt they would skrew themselves over by selling hacked weapons. If they are a veteran you should be able to trust them too.
True, Veterans know what they're doing, not hax.They understand the consequences of their reactions.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Que on May 24, 2011, 10:26:18 am
True, Veterans know what they're doing, not hax.They understand the consequences of their reactions.
Your statement is invalid. Veterans can be as unreliable as the beginners.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Steve. on May 24, 2011, 02:06:50 pm
First of all, even if someone is a veteran he might not be able to figure out that someone is hacking. And for those who know that they bought guns from a hacker should be banned, but for those who didn't have the knowledge that they guy who sold them the guns was a hacker, must NOT be banned. :)
We could do something same with money...
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Julio. on May 24, 2011, 07:11:05 pm
True, Veterans know what they're doing, not hax.They understand the consequences of their reactions.

Funny you should mention that, I was accused of hacking Molotovs, IR Goggles etc on the server when I am a regular. Practically nobody believed me except the people who knew me. I was told that if I 'Admitted' to hacking, I'd be unbanned quicker, however, as I did not actually hack, I said so, so it took me longer to get unbanned.

All that happened while there is a known bug with CLEO, that spawns weapons, It once spawned Void M4 and another person told me it spawned them a Knife.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Ben. on May 24, 2011, 08:05:06 pm
Funny you should mention that, I was accused of hacking Molotovs, IR Goggles etc on the server when I am a regular. Practically nobody believed me except the people who knew me. I was told that if I 'Admitted' to hacking, I'd be unbanned quicker, however, as I did not actually hack, I said so, so it took me longer to get unbanned.

All that happened while there is a known bug with CLEO, that spawns weapons, It once spawned Void M4 and another person told me it spawned them a Knife.
I remember that...completely and totally unfair. I suspect that if I asked the people who called him a liar the question now, they would still insist that he was hacking  :roll:
The irony is, anyone who called Joe a liar was, in fact, lying...because he didn't do it  :lol:
Sorry for being off-topic  :D
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on May 25, 2011, 09:29:25 am
To be clear about your case joe - we will not honestly care if CLEO or any other program spawned it, void or otherwise, known or unknown to you or anyone else involved with the program.
This is why we personally do not encourage mods to be used regardless of what the readme file or general opinion or anyone's opinion on the mod is.

If a person uses a mod and derives any advantage(weps, cash or ability to teleport etc), he will be banned.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Rusty on May 25, 2011, 03:31:42 pm
If theyre a veteran, I doubt they would skrew themselves over by selling hacked weapons. If they are a veteran you should be able to trust them too.

Some wouldn't need to sell them, they'd spawn them so they don't have to waste cash on buying them all the time.
Veterans players aren't all trustworthy you shouldn't immediately trust them cause they have been in the community for a few years.  Doing that shows you aren't doing your admin job properly if your going to immediately beleive a veteran player cause of his community status.
 
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Julio. on May 25, 2011, 10:21:18 pm
To be clear about your case joe - we will not honestly care if CLEO or any other program spawned it, void or otherwise, known or unknown to you or anyone else involved with the program.
This is why we personally do not encourage mods to be used regardless of what the readme file or general opinion or anyone's opinion on the mod is.

If a person uses a mod and derives any advantage(weps, cash or ability to teleport etc), he will be banned.

And kept banned for weeks when it wasn't their fault? wat
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on May 26, 2011, 12:09:41 am
If a person gains weapons or other advantage, how is it not their fault?
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Leon. on May 26, 2011, 08:48:35 pm
I have a feeling that some people want to ask "What if we buy the weapons only to get them off of the streets, and later get rid of them and report the hacker?" I almost asked this, but I'll answer my own question:
What's the use in "getting them off the streets" if they can simply spawn more with a click of a button? Absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Julio. on May 26, 2011, 08:57:10 pm
If a person gains weapons or other advantage, how is it not their fault?

If a persons relative dies and that person gets money from their will, is it the persons fault? Same Principle.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Rusty on May 26, 2011, 09:20:14 pm
If a persons relative dies and that person gets money from their will, is it the persons fault? Same Principle.

You cant compare a real life situation to being banned by gaining an advantage on a video game.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Julio. on May 26, 2011, 10:42:49 pm
I said PRINCIPLE
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: JDC on May 27, 2011, 01:06:48 am
I said PRINCIPLE

Still, you are comparing.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Freedom on May 28, 2011, 07:57:29 pm
Still, you are comparing.
the principle remains.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: R.Rivens on May 31, 2011, 02:30:26 pm
I once sold about 10k AK47 for 5 or 10k cash because I wanted to buy M4 and had no more slots... Just an example of low price, however, I wish you luck with this thing.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Chris_Knight on June 01, 2011, 02:20:59 pm
I busted 4 weapon hackers allready .  :redface:
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Murt on June 01, 2011, 03:00:35 pm
I busted 4 weapon hackers allready .  :redface:

You can contact the administration in the future more about the weapon hackers  :lol:. With the assistance of you I got two.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on June 03, 2011, 01:17:04 am
If a persons relative dies and that person gets money from their will, is it the persons fault? Same Principle.

Will be interesting to see a will on the cleo mod...

Jokes apart - in real life, in almost all cases, it is upto the person writing the will to make a decision on whom to give - unless there is fraud, misrepresentation, coercion, undue influence or willful mis-statement.
However, in the game - it is upto the player to decide whether he installs the mod or not. Therfore he is responsible and it is his fault when he gains weapons or advantage.

Thus, in principle your example does not apply. I sincerely hope you got the point...
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Shejken on June 03, 2011, 08:23:23 am
I'm tired for this. Let's sell someone is selling guns with normal price, and I don't have any idea he is a hacker. Few hours after both of us are banned, the weapon hacker, and me. Could you even ask something before smashing with ban hammer?!

Also when cash hacker wires me 500k while i am afk, i get ban directly, without any word from administration.

Both situations above there happened me few months ago, this doesn't do anything but ruins my future with the community.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Kalvin on June 03, 2011, 09:45:36 am
SSSSUPORted!
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: CharlieKasper on June 03, 2011, 01:57:20 pm
SSSSUPORted!
wat
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Chris_Knight on June 03, 2011, 02:34:29 pm
I'm tired for this. Let's sell someone is selling guns with normal price, and I don't have any idea he is a hacker. Few hours after both of us are banned, the weapon hacker, and me. Could you even ask something before smashing with ban hammer?!

Also when cash hacker wires me 500k while i am afk, i get ban directly, without any word from administration.

Both situations above there happened me few months ago, this doesn't do anything but ruins my future with the community.
I've been banned 3 months for wearing "Gulucan" tag when i was beginer player.If you, your self, know that you didn't do it and people you are friends with trusts you, it won't damage your life in argonath comunity.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Nathan on June 03, 2011, 04:43:24 pm
Also when cash hacker wires me 500k while i am afk, i get ban directly, without any word from administration.

Lesson learned. Don't be AFK and stuff like this wont happen.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: JDC on June 04, 2011, 05:45:11 am
Also when cash hacker wires me 500k while i am afk, i get ban directly, without any word from administration.

Lesson learned. Don't be AFK and stuff like this wont happen.

A bit harsh, but I must agree.
Title: Re: Weapons, hackers and buyers
Post by: Cutt3r on June 04, 2011, 06:32:22 pm
I'm tired for this. Let's sell someone is selling guns with normal price, and I don't have any idea he is a hacker. Few hours after both of us are banned, the weapon hacker, and me. Could you even ask something before smashing with ban hammer?!

Will not ask anything. Why? Read the topic carefully before making a post...the answer to your question is already there in this topic, given by me.
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