Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Mr.Joker on May 25, 2011, 12:12:56 pm
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Im not here to moan, Im not here to make problems to someone, I just wanna say something.
Why people get banned for simple reasons? Where a tempban would be more better (I do not want to give examples). Well, I was guessing that the ban hammer is used on hacker, mass dmers, mass flammers, mass spammer, advertising a site or another serve, etc. but why to ban people for a bad joke, for a simple dm who crossed the limit?
Almost every time when Im looking at an unban request the admin says : "I warned you", so what, now you do an /warn and after a /ban, should people reamind to some admins that between those scripts are another two? like /kick and /tempban?
I understand that admins are there to punish the player for their bad actions, but not like that mate. Aragorn said something some time ago: "there is a /tempban script - do not use /ban at every fart" or something like that, i do not remember well.
As i said, im not here to start an argue, a moaning topic ( i never got banned). I just wanted to start a subject which, in my opinion, needs to be finished in a right way.
Please :
- I do not want replies from banned people like : "The admin .... banned me for this .... reason, ....flammin' " - those replies will get deleted, and a forum report will be on your head.
Some great people knows me, and they know that im not here to start an chaos of arguing, moaning. Almost for all of you I am a friendly guy and Im just looking for a better place for newbies and veterans. Argonath is a part of me since some time, Im just looking for better.
-Joker
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I support this.
Great idea from the Joker D
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I support this.
Great idea from the Joker D
Thanks, mate.
-Cheers,
Joker
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I wanna close my eyes on all the lies and bullshit that most of the banned ones manages to cook up in order to get unbanned.
Quoting an owner to get favour is not really the way to go. It's just an lame attempt at bend the words in ones favour to get unbanned.
In the same sense people try to use the Moderators GUIDE in order to cause bullshit and piss on the moderators.
It's obivious this is relating to EvilMonkey's ban. So let me say it clear:
I have seen JDC work. and he does NOT ban instantly on every "fart".
Joker. I do understand fully you feel like that. But admins do not simply ban out of the blue instantly unless something repetive rulebreaking has been done in order to warrant an ban.
And if you feel there's something you can correct Joker. You can always take an try and apply for the team.
/kick has always been utilized alot. And to add something more to think about:
Where's the chatlogs?
There's absolutely nothing that says that he has not been rulebreaking alot before he recived his ban.
This has happened before: Admin is eviiiil. :devroll:
Then chatlogs comes and reveals the trail of negativity and rulebreaks said banned one has left behind.
Then they stand there and is like: I iz ssorry. pls. :conf:
So, since I took up his ban. I'd really want to see the chatlogs, The full ones indeed.
Come on.
"Where an tempban would be better".
Tempban happens when tempban is due. Ban happens, when the admins are tired of the constant trolls and bullshit who after repeated warnings, keeps breaking rules.
Someone robs my store. Ok he can have an chance. Oh wat he's at my store robbing it again.
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
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And so on.
If someone has been rulebreaking alot:
/warn 5 This is your last chance, follow the rules or be banned.
ID:5 has flamed an player.
/tempban 5 10 min hurr durr.
Consider that /tempban could have been used already before the actual ban.
The admin team is here to serve players. Not care and kiss shitty trolls with bad attidude on thier feet.. Exactly what JDC is doing and will continue to do. Serve and help players and banning shitty trolls with bad attidude.
If the shit EvilMonkey is saying is true. JDC would have banned 20 players in 1 minute for "silly reasons". And kicked half of the server.
Oh btw discrimination is an silly/simple reason no?
And if what you claim is true Joker, then I'd highly suggsest you let the upper people (Manager and above) take care of it.
Community mail for example. And word of advice for those who think it does not helps:
It does, you just don't see it. I have worked with such an mail myself back in 2008. And I doubt the SA:MP generation of Managers and leaders are ignoring the mail.
Joker, if you wish to continue this nonsense. Get some real experience and insight into the admin work for Argonath RPG.
This type of topic will cause an arguments such as mine. It's natural. You cannot say "You do not want".
If you do not want, then do not make the thread.
I already knew my topics would cause bitter/arguments. I cannot say "I do not want" just because I do not want to.
And this applies especially to topic who is as controversial as this one.
Also, you will not use an single drop of Forum Moderator power in this thread, you are not going to delete any reply (if you are able to). Not an tiny bit. If something happens like what you described in the red text, let another forum moderator deal with it. Simply because I want you to stay neutral and defend your own words. So you do not fiddle with any reply.
If JDC really did something wrong, He will be punished accordingly, so far he has done his admin work right.
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Well, now Im going to school. When Im back i will answer with pleasure on your reply Girder.
As you see, im looking for those opinions. Respect, Joker.
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You cannot always blame the admins. If a player got an improper attitude towards admins and even other players on the server, he should face the consequences. Also, in some cases, I quite frankly want the /ban to be used more often. For example: The incorrect way of trolling.
Joker, if you wish to continue this nonsense.
This is not nonsense. He's very right that the /tempban-command is there for a reason; especially for some bans, which I have to agree with.
Joker, if you find yourself or anyone else wrongfully treated.. Then the email's there for a reason. :)
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Joker you wrotte this because of my unban request right? Thank you very much for writting these so ADMINS CAN LEARN you are a great player and an awesome friend
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Someone robs my store. Ok he can have an chance. Oh wat he's at my store robbing it again.
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
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And so on.
If someone has been rulebreaking alot:
/warn 5 This is your last chance, follow the rules or be banned.
ID:5 has flamed an player.
/tempban 5 10 min hurr durr.
This doesnt make any sence. /tempban can be for 60 minutes, and even if they keep on going, you can still tempban them. Players like to take the admin to the limit..
Joker actually has a point here.
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This is a quote from Aragorn when somebody got banned for Deathmatching.
1. First of all it is not a permban issue...
2. Since when robbery = shooting?
3. Since when flame is a reason to start shooting?
You should be unbanned...
I've seen other ridiculous bans like when BlackEagle got banned for jokingly misspelling "Sandisk" as "Sandicks". (I'm not trying to shit on you, Grzesiek, I'm sure you had your reasons to ban him. I'm just speaking my mind.)
I mean, I don't request a ban on every person that calls me for "Cumrey" instead of "Comrey" now, do I?
I don't want to tell Administration how to do their work, because they really have a lot on their mind and they do sacrifice their own RP to help us; but if they started using /tempban 60 way more often and reserved /ban for really serious causes it would profit them in the long run (less work for Managers in the unban section.)
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The reason (as far as I know) admins Perm-ban players for "every fart" is because the players HAVE been warned, and only a 60 minutes tempban is not enough.
Basically, the solution is simple;
Extend the tempban command to 48 hours max, that way there will be a lot less permbans, since the permbans for flaming and deathmatching can be replaced with a 48 hour ban.
(I don't like it when they call me Cumrey though so I usually tell them to stop it.)
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I am looking forward to hearing an more detailed explanation of your issue Joker. Aswell as arguments.
There was, as far as I can see, not an consideration for what the player might have done before an ban is issued.
Bans are never supposed to be issued unless the player in question has been rulebreaking alot before. That is not an guideline. It's an frickin rule for admins and common sense.
Tempban might already have been used if you get what I mean. I would NEVER have argumented against him if he had fully told us why he feels that way. There's enough of the blackpainting and whispering behind backs about which admin is an jerk or not, hence why I came into the thread to argument.
That is why I called it nosense, Joker also said he will answer. So i'm awaiting his reply.
Regulars are Expected to know the rules inside and out. Hence why you will not see an regular get 10 warns both private and public before an more harsh punishment is needed. As far as I know, EvilMonkey is an regular.
Yes we all can fuck up sometimes. Even I can. That is why you have one chance to tell the truth. Likewise as EvilMonkey has one chance to tell the truth. So far, it looks to me it's only throwing dirty socks around and pulling out an quote from an owner in an an attempt to shit at admin.
Joker clearly stated himself he feels that bans comes to quick, I can assure you admins who really are breaking the admin-rules and server-rules are dealt with. If people cannot even trust the administration team, then how can they even play here? If you feel insecure with an group, leave the group.
How to restore that trust? Well it hell ain't letting the admin team go pussy mode and lick water from an cup in an corner in an trolls room.
Let me clarify this short:
Admins who TRULY are abusing = gone. There's been an number of cases, and I ain't hell seeing them in the administrator list (the current one). Do you?
Tempban: Is used. Not every fart is banned. Stop trying to use an owners quote in order to justify bullshit.
Admin abusing? Community mail.
The thing with expecting regulars to know the rules has been around since the start of Argonath RPG.
It's been around since day 1. You know the rules. Yet you dare to break them?
I am not going to defend EvilMonkey. But I am nethier going to judge his ban. It is up to managers to decide what happens.
What I am against tough, is using someones elses quote, in an lame attempt to defend yourself.
That would be like me saying: RON is my friend unban me.
Like fucking hell I would do that. If I was banned, I would stand on my own and defend what I belivied in. Not use an owners quote or anyones elses to bullshit around with.
Twenty.
/tempban 5 10 minutes Cool down.
Player calms down. Day after.
5: Fucking black
/banana 5 60
/warn 5 No racism.
Player calms down. Then is caught deathmatching.
/warn 5 No deathmatching.
Player calms down. All is fine and dandy. 1 month later he's become an regular.
Id 5 killed bla bla.
/report 5 Deathmatching
Investigated, found guilty.
/warn 5 No deathmatching.
Goes some time.
Same fucking player is caught deathmatching again.
Let us count his record:
He has been tempbanned once.
He has reciven bananas and warns.
He's played here for about 1 month.
Now he's caught again with deathmatching.
Id 5 caught provoking.
/tempban 6 60 Repeated rulebreaking. Read the rules carefully.
Do you still want to do another meaningless tempban of 60 minutes, or should we ban the player in order to make said player realise the seriousness of the situation?
There is an limit Twenty.
This has been proven so many times it's not funny.
Player get's banned.
Lies or seeks sympathy from anything.
Or he/she is innocent (rarely, an big majority of the bans was true ones).
Chatlogs comes up.
If innocent. everything is okay. Said admin usually apologizes for misunderstanding, and if needed, get's an form of punishment if said admin refuses to apologize for the faulty ban.
Or, player is found guilty. And suddenly changes his shitty lying face where the wind points. In order to "apologize".
As I said, I will await the reply from joker. If he can make an good argument and show me that he tought this thru properly, then I will apologize for having "invaded" the thread.
Btw I like comrades suggsestion, somewhat.
The issue is simply trust between admins and players.
We should not have to open up the admin forums to public just so they can show you exactly how shit is run.
That, is used for admins for work and solely work.
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Well, the weed are doing you thinking exellent... :conf:
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I suggest extending tempbans to days, and even weeks.
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I suggest extending tempbans to days, and even weeks.
1+
And btw,
warn + adminjail
kick
tempban
ban
It think that's how the punishment process should be ;)
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Look over the unban requests that has been made. No offence, but there are plenty of bans that could have been solved by a simple temporary ban in order to cool off. The option of giving a temporary ban already exists, but admins just doesn't use it as often as they should. Nonetheless, I also support the extension of the temporary period.
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Look over the unban requests that has been made. No offence, but there are plenty of bans that could have been solved by a simple temporary ban in order to cool off. The option of giving a temporary ban already exists, but admins just doesn't use it as often as they should. Nonetheless, I also support the extension of the temporary period.
= Powerhungry people ;)
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If you guys feel that the temporary ban function should get an extension, why the heck not post a topic about it? It could be taken into consideration.
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I have to agree with Joker. Sometimes I see ban reasons that are in my opinion, ridiculous. (No disrespect to the admins)
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If you guys feel that the temporary ban function should get an extension, why the heck not post a topic about it? It could be taken into consideration.
Already did it, check the ideas section.
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There's a notorious lack of communication between players and the administration, but this isn't from today, it has been since 2009. Most of the admins don't talk with the players involved in a report - moderators do. Why? Well, moderators want to show service, so they try to be nice and act effectively and this is how it should be with the administration team as well. We can understand that the administrators receive lots of reports and want to clear all the situations immediately and, unfortunately, that's what the ban is used for - not in most of the cases, though.
The thing is, some bans are just completely excessive, when a tempban or a simply chat would do it.
I'm not in favor of tempbans, because those temporary bans pass and the user who suffered it, won't apologize, publicly, and will just keep on going forward, hell, by giving a temporary ban you can even give that person time to study something for tomorrow or do some homwork. I'm in favor of trying to speak with the persons involved and reach a conclusion - if they reach a conclusion where a ban is definitely needed...then yes, go ahead. Else, warn that person, mark him in a excel document and if he ever screws up again, immediate ban.
This was brought on the past, Joker, and it hasn't changed anything. Like many others topics involving the administration or the role-play.
I don't want to talk about a reformulation on the administrative team, because one was done fews months ago and that would be insulting the current team (which has been doing a good job, so far), but some people should really, but really, think about this and discuss, mainly, between the administration team.
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Joker you wrotte this because of my unban request right? Thank you very much for writting these so ADMINS CAN LEARN you are a great player and an awesome friend
You are only making your own unban request look worser.
This is what I mean with bullshitting. Let the investigation takes it course for your unban request.
Don't throw dirt into the water you are going to drink.
Joey.
I used to take notes under my moderator time. Since when you are with 100 players, and there's currently chaos. Taking notes will decrease the ammount of time searching for chatlogs and other stuff. When you can just flip up an notebook and see what you noted down about an current case.
I got about 40 files with chatlogs. Each one is marked for one or more important cases. And half of my notebook is filled with small short notes that I wrote down while working.
I highly recommend for the current moderator wave aswell as admins to start saving your chatlogs in an structured manner, aswell having an notebook ready to write in. It will help you. Trust me on that.
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Exactly, Gird3r.
Because, being a administrator/moderator isn't just a "respect" title. Once you get to be a administrator/moderator you have to start being professional. You have to be responsible and skip some fun, because your working in order to provide fun to others - remember that.
Hence why there are administrative and non-administrative accounts.
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I wanna close my eyes on all the lies and bullshit that most of the banned ones manages to cook up in order to get unbanned.
Quoting an owner to get favour is not really the way to go. It's just an lame attempt at bend the words in ones favour to get unbanned.
In the same sense people try to use the Moderators GUIDE in order to cause bullshit and piss on the moderators.
It's obivious this is relating to EvilMonkey's ban. So let me say it clear:
I have seen JDC work. and he does NOT ban instantly on every "fart".
Joker. I do understand fully you feel like that. But admins do not simply ban out of the blue instantly unless something repetive rulebreaking has been done in order to warrant an ban.
And if you feel there's something you can correct Joker. You can always take an try and apply for the team.
/kick has always been utilized alot. And to add something more to think about:
Where's the chatlogs?
There's absolutely nothing that says that he has not been rulebreaking alot before he recived his ban.
This has happened before: Admin is eviiiil. :devroll:
Then chatlogs comes and reveals the trail of negativity and rulebreaks said banned one has left behind.
Then they stand there and is like: I iz ssorry. pls. :conf:
So, since I took up his ban. I'd really want to see the chatlogs, The full ones indeed.
Come on.
"Where an tempban would be better".
Tempban happens when tempban is due. Ban happens, when the admins are tired of the constant trolls and bullshit who after repeated warnings, keeps breaking rules.
Someone robs my store. Ok he can have an chance. Oh wat he's at my store robbing it again.
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
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And so on.
If someone has been rulebreaking alot:
/warn 5 This is your last chance, follow the rules or be banned.
ID:5 has flamed an player.
/tempban 5 10 min hurr durr.
Consider that /tempban could have been used already before the actual ban.
The admin team is here to serve players. Not care and kiss shitty trolls with bad attidude on thier feet.. Exactly what JDC is doing and will continue to do. Serve and help players and banning shitty trolls with bad attidude.
If the shit EvilMonkey is saying is true. JDC would have banned 20 players in 1 minute for "silly reasons". And kicked half of the server.
Oh btw discrimination is an silly/simple reason no?
And if what you claim is true Joker, then I'd highly suggsest you let the upper people (Manager and above) take care of it.
Community mail for example. And word of advice for those who think it does not helps:
It does, you just don't see it. I have worked with such an mail myself back in 2008. And I doubt the SA:MP generation of Managers and leaders are ignoring the mail.
Joker, if you wish to continue this nonsense. Get some real experience and insight into the admin work for Argonath RPG.
This type of topic will cause an arguments such as mine. It's natural. You cannot say "You do not want".
If you do not want, then do not make the thread.
I already knew my topics would cause bitter/arguments. I cannot say "I do not want" just because I do not want to.
And this applies especially to topic who is as controversial as this one.
Also, you will not use an single drop of Forum Moderator power in this thread, you are not going to delete any reply (if you are able to). Not an tiny bit. If something happens like what you described in the red text, let another forum moderator deal with it. Simply because I want you to stay neutral and defend your own words. So you do not fiddle with any reply.
If JDC really did something wrong, He will be punished accordingly, so far he has done his admin work right.
1. This is not because that romanian who got banned.
2. I quoted what Aragorn said with a reason, because he said it with a reason.
3. This is not about JDC.
You got some good points there, but not all of them.
Joker you wrotte this because of my unban request right? Thank you very much for writting these so ADMINS CAN LEARN you are a great player and an awesome friend
I have not made this topic because of you. If you are romanian like me do not means that Im interested in helping you.
I am looking forward to hearing an more detailed explanation of your issue Joker. Aswell as arguments.
There was, as far as I can see, not an consideration for what the player might have done before an ban is issued.
Bans are never supposed to be issued unless the player in question has been rulebreaking alot before. That is not an guideline. It's an frickin rule for admins and common sense.
Tempban might already have been used if you get what I mean. I would NEVER have argumented against him if he had fully told us why he feels that way. There's enough of the blackpainting and whispering behind backs about which admin is an jerk or not, hence why I came into the thread to argument.
That is why I called it nosense, Joker also said he will answer. So i'm awaiting his reply.
Regulars are Expected to know the rules inside and out. Hence why you will not see an regular get 10 warns both private and public before an more harsh punishment is needed. As far as I know, EvilMonkey is an regular.
Yes we all can f**k up sometimes. Even I can. That is why you have one chance to tell the truth. Likewise as EvilMonkey has one chance to tell the truth. So far, it looks to me it's only throwing dirty socks around and pulling out an quote from an owner in an an attempt to shit at admin.
Joker clearly stated himself he feels that bans comes to quick, I can assure you admins who really are breaking the admin-rules and server-rules are dealt with. If people cannot even trust the administration team, then how can they even play here? If you feel insecure with an group, leave the group.
How to restore that trust? Well it hell ain't letting the admin team go pussy mode and lick water from an cup in an corner in an trolls room.
Let me clarify this short:
Admins who TRULY are abusing = gone. There's been an number of cases, and I ain't hell seeing them in the administrator list (the current one). Do you?
Tempban: Is used. Not every fart is banned. Stop trying to use an owners quote in order to justify bullshit.
Admin abusing? Community mail.
The thing with expecting regulars to know the rules has been around since the start of Argonath RPG.
It's been around since day 1. You know the rules. Yet you dare to break them?
I am not going to defend EvilMonkey. But I am nethier going to judge his ban. It is up to managers to decide what happens.
What I am against tough, is using someones elses quote, in an lame attempt to defend yourself.
That would be like me saying: RON is my friend unban me.
Like f**king hell I would do that. If I was banned, I would stand on my own and defend what I belivied in. Not use an owners quote or anyones elses to bullshit around with.
Twenty.
/tempban 5 10 minutes Cool down.
Player calms down. Day after.
5: f**king black
/banana 5 60
/warn 5 No racism.
Player calms down. Then is caught deathmatching.
/warn 5 No deathmatching.
Player calms down. All is fine and dandy. 1 month later he's become an regular.
Id 5 killed bla bla.
/report 5 Deathmatching
Investigated, found guilty.
/warn 5 No deathmatching.
Goes some time.
Same f**king player is caught deathmatching again.
Let us count his record:
He has been tempbanned once.
He has reciven bananas and warns.
He's played here for about 1 month.
Now he's caught again with deathmatching.
Id 5 caught provoking.
/tempban 6 60 Repeated rulebreaking. Read the rules carefully.
Do you still want to do another meaningless tempban of 60 minutes, or should we ban the player in order to make said player realise the seriousness of the situation?
There is an limit Twenty.
This has been proven so many times it's not funny.
Player get's banned.
Lies or seeks sympathy from anything.
Or he/she is innocent (rarely, an big majority of the bans was true ones).
Chatlogs comes up.
If innocent. everything is okay. Said admin usually apologizes for misunderstanding, and if needed, get's an form of punishment if said admin refuses to apologize for the faulty ban.
Or, player is found guilty. And suddenly changes his shitty lying face where the wind points. In order to "apologize".
As I said, I will await the reply from joker. If he can make an good argument and show me that he tought this thru properly, then I will apologize for having "invaded" the thread.
Btw I like comrades suggsestion, somewhat.
The issue is simply trust between admins and players.
We should not have to open up the admin forums to public just so they can show you exactly how shit is run.
That, is used for admins for work and solely work.
This is not about the romanian guy .
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I totally agree with you..
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Ban command is the maximum punishment for the mass rulebreakers - hacking, advertising another server. If someone after an hour tempban is still rulebreaking then yeah, the ban command should be used.
Who are the people who are able to unban?
-Managers
-Leaders of the community
-Owners
And sometimes are not all of them active, if someone got banner for an tempban reason or a simple kick reason why he need to wait untill one of those guyz who are able to unban appear?
You, guys, should know that not all of us are good at english to speak propperly with an admin. Where's the second chance?
Plus that some admins are doing it with fun " banhammer is ready for action ", etc.. Since when is funny to ban someone?
I do not say that we need to take those things very seriously, but if you wanna be an admin first you need to think if you are ready for it, not just because is looking cool under your forum name.
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It's an damn shame that the admin team of today get's pissed on.
You are not f**king having some robots who are protecting the community you know.
No we should cry tears of sadness for someone who get's banned. We should cry, that they was banned for rulebreaking.
I am not saying you are saying this joker, but this is the impression you give me.
Okay, I accept that you did not have that dude in mind.
Why they need to wait? Because they are banned.
I absolutely hate to draw an line to IRL. But really. I do not think you can say that to the face of an cop "Why should I wait just lemme go".
No one complained about "jokes before ban" thing in the past. Why the f**k complain now about it? Even RON does it sometimes (not saying often).
This of course does not mean they should
"Stop permban every fart" does not f**king mean they can sissy off.
Yes, regulars are expected to know the bloody rules, and what the aftermath is if you break them.
The unban process is for EVERYONE. No one has the right to cancel his "wait".
That's like going into an store, then push everyone in line aside.
Yes, not all of us are good at english. I'm not good at it.
That is NOT an excuse to just go herp derp and break the rules.
When they find someone who does not understand english enough to take in the information. They try to communicate in other ways (or find an translator)
IF they fail to make any contact at all. Then nothing else can be done and it will escalate into an ban if the player keeps rulebreaking. And that is never f**king funny.
I have seen that for myself. Do you think I sat there laughing my ass off?
No...
Let me sum it up:
Wait thing: NO. You are wrong here. Unban process goes the same for everyone.
I do agree however that the thing with talking with the player in PM to try to solve it. That is correct. And I did encourage this while I was in the administrator team (follow up the case).
Tempban reason? DM is an completly valid reason to ban someone if it's been repeated several times. You could be banned for flaming or warned for flaming for example.
Do not try to seperate reasons into each punishment category. That is not how it works Joker.
Awaiting your reply.
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Gird3r, the way you're setting up the sentences is quite unreadable when you read big walls of text, which you're writing here. Would you mind putting them together instead of spreading out the lines? :) Just a tip.
No we should cry tears of sadness for someone who get's banned. We should cry, that they was banned for rulebreaking.
We should not cry at all. But we should learn to define where the line's drawn, also where the lines should be for a ban. The tempban is a very useful command, yet minimally used.
Yes, regulars are expected to know the bloody rules, and what the aftermath is if you break them.
I have to agree.
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In my eyes, some admins wanna look "tough" - that causes not-needed bans at everyone, mostly old players..
Like Dave, who wanted to be the most strict admin around :razz: - pathetic...
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I believe that we are all familiar with the saying "Use common sense". As a matter of fact, admins made it up, and usually they repeat it over and over. Well, guess what. BACK AT YA!
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Well, as long as there is Argonath, players and admins, people will bring about such topics and try to find fault with admins, directly or indirectly.
Really, have you at any time in the past been an admin on our server? How do you know what is being said to whom and how? How can you assume that when an admin says 'I warned you' it means only once? Please do not make assumptions about anyone or anything.
To know what an admin faces and how, one has to be admin on server. It is not easy to deal with 2 reports per admin at once at any given point of time, and during weekends and holidays, that number doubles or triples.
If an admin errs in action, let managers or above decide. Report at the community email and leave it there. Those having access to it will do the needful.
Further replies with girder can be continued in pm.
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If you see this list, are you really surprised /ban is used ?
Banned by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta Discrimination, justifying wrong actions. May 16 2011 12:18
Warned by =AV=9r2e5i3k stop flooding /report. May 15 2011 20:01
Kicked by Doggi Your language is disgusting me. May 14 2011 20:42
Tempbanned by Daxx Killing after surrendering... May 14 2011 18:38
Kicked by Doggi Moaning ater punishment - complain at [email protected]. May 13 2011 17:28
Banana by Trane_Kiedis May 13 2011 17:27
Kicked by =AV=9r2e5i3k flaming/bad language. May 13 2011 16:55
Kicked by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta Flaming. May 13 2011 16:32
Warned by =AV=9r2e5i3k bad language. May 12 2011 13:18
Warned by Cailan Telling others to ''Stfu'' trough /PM. May 11 2011 19:34
Warned by Robert_Soc ignoring admins. May 11 2011 19:23
Kicked by Cailan Carkilling , lying to Administration. You were in the dozer. May 07 2011 16:27
Kicked by TheRock This is your last chance before a tempban, BEHAVE. May 02 2011 19:13
Kicked by Doggi No, but your maoning, again. May 02 2011 19:11
Kicked by Doggi esc in combat. May 02 2011 19:10
Kicked by Leroy_Hudson Requested.. May 01 2011 21:56
Kicked by Doggi Moan again, kicked by the 'stupid admins'. May 01 2011 21:12
Kicked by QSens If you have complain send to [email protected] not over my pm. May 01 2011 21:11
Kicked by Doggi Moan, bye. May 01 2011 21:10
Warned by QSens Suicide as suspect. May 01 2011 21:09
Banana by Cailan April 30 2011 19:33
Kicked by Doggi No, moaning. April 29 2011 21:41
Kicked by Doggi Carkilling as a veteran. April 29 2011 21:40
Kicked by QSens Ruining event - Bunnyhopping. April 29 2011 20:36
Kicked by QSens Ruining event - Bunnyhopping. April 29 2011 20:35
Ajailed by Nathan_Aldebourne Killing admin... April 28 2011 21:19
Warned by Murt_Rogers flaming over /L. April 28 2011 01:15
Warned by Cailan No noobs , you should know that. April 24 2011 16:28
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo cop hunting. April 22 2011 21:38
Warned by Jimmy_Bowling Ramming and Carkilling are not allowed please stop. April 22 2011 19:17
Tempbanned by Salmonella racism, lying to admins, provoke, ramming. April 22 2011 13:33
Kicked by Salmonella not funny - go somewhere else with your ''jokes''. April 22 2011 13:25
Warned by Salmonella Drop it. April 22 2011 13:24
Kicked by [MD]Henry_Vanderbilt english only. April 21 2011 21:33
Kicked by Daxx Ruining event. April 21 2011 01:02
Banana by Tyrone April 20 2011 17:29
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy do not tell others to shut up. April 19 2011 15:05
Tempbanned by [EVIL]Onotole flaming in pm - copban might follow. April 16 2011 22:42
Kicked by [EVIL]Onotole and i wanted to eat pie - not good reason. April 16 2011 22:38
Warned by [Rstar]Malcolm abuse of /h. April 16 2011 11:46
Banned by Aragorn constant flame and disrespect to players... April 11 2011 17:37
Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm ramming and carkilling. April 11 2011 16:14
Banned by Gimli flame in pm. April 04 2011 20:16
Tempbanned by Jcstodds carkilling/ provoking. April 04 2011 15:47
Warned by DHR.Mike flaming. April 03 2011 20:03
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy flaming, provoking. April 03 2011 19:57
Ajailed by SkyHawk Carkilling April 03 2011 19:39
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy you = provoke. April 03 2011 19:12
Ajailed by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta carkill April 03 2011 17:34
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo commenting. April 03 2011 16:49
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo /winch abuse. April 03 2011 16:38
Kicked by TeaM_Fox ram. April 02 2011 21:30
Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm script abuse, suicide as a suspect. April 01 2011 20:31
Warned by Jcstodds change your name back : ). April 01 2011 16:32
Banana by HeavyWeaponsGuy April 01 2011 16:03
Garfield I used you as example as you claimed you might be the cause...
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And it happens again.
Admins are eviiiil.
Chatlogs comes up (Yes I count that list as an chatlog)
Now waiting for step number 3.....
Garfield, take an good look at the rule book before you continue playing.
You was given an third chance now, and that suprises me... better not waste it.
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This is what I like.
3rdTempbanned by Salmonella racism, lying to admins, provoke, ramming. April 22 2011 13:33
2ndKicked by Salmonella not funny - go somewhere else with your ''jokes''. April 22 2011 13:25
1stWarned by Salmonella Drop it. April 22 2011 13:24
And no, ban isn't used VERY much, but sometimes it is used in wrong situations or to early (in my opinion). I mean, sure veteran players should know the rules but no one is perfect and everyone making mistakes, yes even veteran players. It's no reason to ban veteran players and then write in the unban request ''You're a veteran, you should know the rules''. Treat everyone the same at the server, give everyone the same punishment, or atleast try so hard you can inside the administrator team.
Sincerely
Mash Gordon
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Please :
- I do not want replies from banned people like : "The admin .... banned me for this .... reason, ....flammin' " - those replies will get deleted, and a forum report will be on your head.
This may somewhat go against your wishes, Joker, but my intentions are not to whine about some BS ban. My intentions are to give a good example of a decent ban.
Some time ago, I used to pull off some of the most disgustingly racist jokes ever to be seen on Argonath. I didn't just go around shouting the n-word every five seconds. Petty shit like that doesn't deserve a ban. I went as far as the cruel shit like "DEAD <N-WORD> IN TRUNK" or some stupid lynching shit. I did it for a while before the ban, though it was much more minor. It just got worse and worse. Unintentionally, I somehow made it that admins couldn't really notice it. A while later, I got banned for it, as personally requested by Ronnel for racism. Not just plain racism, but EXTREME racism.
Things like what I did is perfect for bans. Things NOT perfect for bans, as determined by basic general knowledge:
-One little DM incident. This includes the famous ban reason of cophunting/dming when someone shoots at a cop with a white name. Maybe if they keep doing it in spite of your kicks and tempbans, a ban is certainly in place.
-Aggravated flaming - Example is some random person provoking a group with some remark that others outside of the group would not find offensive, and then the group begins flaming. Aggravated flaming does not include flaming someone just because they accidentally rammed you or because they killed you.
-Banning some veteran for a minor offense just because they "should know the rules." Veterans are just as capable of being ignorant as new players.
long post
You're only mad because this topic applies to you.
Post Merge: May 26, 2011, 09:48:03 pm
This is what I like.
3rdTempbanned by Salmonella racism, lying to admins, provoke, ramming. April 22 2011 13:33
2ndKicked by Salmonella not funny - go somewhere else with your ''jokes''. April 22 2011 13:25
1stWarned by Salmonella Drop it. April 22 2011 13:24
Same here, brother. I personally would follow a warn-kick-kick-tempban-ban routine for minor offenses, but what Salmonella is doing is just fine.
This is NOT fine by general standards:
1st Warned by admin Stop flaming. <insert random date>
2nd Banned by admin I WARNED JOO U NO DA RUELS <insert random date>
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Cephalectomy.
Regulars is and have always been expected to know the rules.
This is also why punishments pretty much always are softer on new players who are not quite clear with the rules.
Your one-liner is also pretty funny, you could not resist? If you are going to provoke me, then try harder.
Now time to argument with you.
"2nd Banned by admin I WARNED JOO U NO DA RUELS <insert random date>"
What the f**k is this crap? Show me an ban record that contains something as silly as this.
Minor? Yhe the minor cases piles up sooner or later. What you guys are stuck at, is you assume that the "banned" player never has been punished before.
"though it was much more minor".
You guys needs to STOP seperating Reasons from punishment category. It's not working in that way.
Or so you can understand:
/warn ID Deathmatching
/kick ID Deathmatching
/tempban ID min Deathmatching
/ban ID Deathmatching.
What you guys are trying to do, is seperate these into thier own section.
Racism is racism, Minor or not. They can /warn you for racism. Or if deemed neccesary. /ban you for racism. Or anything else as an punishment for breaking the rules. Stop excusing what you did in the past on "minor".
But hey, let's be the smartass crack joke on racism. black black black. I'm sure as f**k everyone will appreciate it...
NOT. Stop excusing your shit as something "minor".
"One little DM incident".
And if the regular is your avarage immature kid.
One more and one more and one more.
But it's just an little indicent, Well. Now there's 10 of those small incidents.
Somehow, you guys got the "mindset" that admins are people who sit on thier ass with an whip and whip you in the back if you even dare to let out an tiny drop of sweat. Sorry, but you are wRONg.
I say it once again. Admins who truly are guilty for abusing or rulebreaking, will get the punishment they deserve.
In general. f**king read what cutter said. So I don't have to sit here and bash it into your heads.
In the end before an punishment, everything is an call of judgement.
(And yes Que and You are the ones who argument with me the most. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't. Live with it and show me an better argument than attempting to provoke me).
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Banned by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta Discrimination, justifying wrong actions. May 16 2011 12:18
Warned by =AV=9r2e5i3k stop flooding /report. May 15 2011 20:01
Kicked by Doggi Your language is disgusting me. May 14 2011 20:42
Tempbanned by Daxx Killing after surrendering... May 14 2011 18:38
Kicked by Doggi Moaning ater punishment - complain at [email protected]. May 13 2011 17:28
Banana by Trane_Kiedis May 13 2011 17:27
Kicked by =AV=9r2e5i3k flaming/bad language. May 13 2011 16:55
Kicked by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta Flaming. May 13 2011 16:32
Warned by =AV=9r2e5i3k bad language. May 12 2011 13:18
Warned by Cailan Telling others to ''Stfu'' trough /PM. May 11 2011 19:34
Warned by Robert_Soc ignoring admins. May 11 2011 19:23
Kicked by Cailan Carkilling , lying to Administration. You were in the dozer. May 07 2011 16:27
Kicked by TheRock This is your last chance before a tempban, BEHAVE. May 02 2011 19:13
Kicked by Doggi No, but your maoning, again. May 02 2011 19:11
Kicked by Doggi esc in combat. May 02 2011 19:10
Kicked by Leroy_Hudson Requested.. May 01 2011 21:56
Kicked by Doggi Moan again, kicked by the 'stupid admins'. May 01 2011 21:12
Kicked by QSens If you have complain send to [email protected] not over my pm. May 01 2011 21:11
Kicked by Doggi Moan, bye. May 01 2011 21:10
Warned by QSens Suicide as suspect. May 01 2011 21:09
Banana by Cailan April 30 2011 19:33
Kicked by Doggi No, moaning. April 29 2011 21:41
Kicked by Doggi Carkilling as a veteran. April 29 2011 21:40
Kicked by QSens Ruining event - Bunnyhopping. April 29 2011 20:36
Kicked by QSens Ruining event - Bunnyhopping. April 29 2011 20:35
Ajailed by Nathan_Aldebourne Killing admin... April 28 2011 21:19
Warned by Murt_Rogers flaming over /L. April 28 2011 01:15
Warned by Cailan No noobs , you should know that. April 24 2011 16:28
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo cop hunting. April 22 2011 21:38
Warned by Jimmy_Bowling Ramming and Carkilling are not allowed please stop. April 22 2011 19:17
Tempbanned by Salmonella racism, lying to admins, provoke, ramming. April 22 2011 13:33
Kicked by Salmonella not funny - go somewhere else with your ''jokes''. April 22 2011 13:25
Warned by Salmonella Drop it. April 22 2011 13:24
Kicked by Gimli english only. April 21 2011 21:33
Kicked by Daxx Ruining event. April 21 2011 01:02
Banana by Tyrone April 20 2011 17:29
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy do not tell others to shut up. April 19 2011 15:05
Tempbanned by [EVIL]Onotole flaming in pm - copban might follow. April 16 2011 22:42
Kicked by [EVIL]Onotole and i wanted to eat pie - not good reason. April 16 2011 22:38
Warned by [Rstar]Malcolm abuse of /h. April 16 2011 11:46
Banned by Aragorn constant flame and disrespect to players... April 11 2011 17:37
Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm ramming and carkilling. April 11 2011 16:14
Banned by Gimli flame in pm. April 04 2011 20:16
Tempbanned by Jcstodds carkilling/ provoking. April 04 2011 15:47
Warned by DHR.Mike flaming. April 03 2011 20:03
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy flaming, provoking. April 03 2011 19:57
Ajailed by SkyHawk Carkilling April 03 2011 19:39
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy you = provoke. April 03 2011 19:12
Ajailed by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta carkill April 03 2011 17:34
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo commenting. April 03 2011 16:49
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo /winch abuse. April 03 2011 16:38
Kicked by TeaM_Fox ram. April 02 2011 21:30
Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm script abuse, suicide as a suspect. April 01 2011 20:31
Warned by Jcstodds change your name back : ). April 01 2011 16:32
Banana by HeavyWeaponsGuy April 01 2011 16:03
He claims to be a 2007 Veteran, but I do not believe it. His list of punishments though is long enough to extend back into 2007. :lol:
As for "Admins must follow a set pattern of punishing" arguments... I believe punishments should be left to the admin's good judgment and not a set routine.
Why?
1. Some offenses are far graver than others.
2. Some people who act like assholes will continue to do so until 'Tempban' is reached, behaving good until the heat wears off, then do it again.
3. Moaners and smart asses moaning "BUT OMG ADMIN YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO KICK ME FIRST NOT GO DIRECTLY TO TEMPBAN / BAN".
And that, is not the complete list of reasons.
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All i see is f**k
When you will start not using the "f**k" word i would lovely read your reply. Maybe you have not saw but almost all the replies on this topic are in a good manner, using propper words because is a serious subject. Your swearing will not make your reply look more mature or with a serious goal, just silly.
You take all of this as provoking on your arguments, people are saying just their opinions. Why you think that some of them are saying that am right? Maybe because i got some truth in my replies.
So please, stop being so badass. Hear people opinions and try to understand them, or you're afraid that you're maybe wrong?
+ after you saw that romanian unbanned i guess you changed your mind a little. No offence JDC, you're a great admin.
-Cheers,
Joker
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"2nd Banned by admin I WARNED JOO U NO DA RUELS <insert random date>"
He was sarcastic with the reason, but you should understand what he meant.
(And yes Que and You are the ones who argument with me the most. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't. Live with it and show me an better argument than attempting to provoke me).
I do not agree with some of your statements and facts, that's why we have this forum; to give and take arguments and discuss things further. I do not provoke you a single bit.As for "Admins must follow a set pattern of punishing" arguments... I believe punishments should be left to the admin's good judgment and not a set routine.
I have to agree with this one. Let the situation decide whether it's right to ban right away, or be patient. There should be no such thing as having a set routine.+ after you saw that romanian unbanned i guess you changed your mind a little. No offence JDC, you're a great admin.
After seeing that list of incidents with warns/kicks etcetera, I doubt no one would change their mind. Most likely the opposite.
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You take all of this as provoking on your arguments, people are saying just their opinions.
Did you even read what I saw as provoking?
No you did not.
"Your one-liner is also pretty funny, you could not resist? If you are going to provoke me, then try harder."
Read who I said it to. It certainly wasn't you.
"Cephalectomy" said that one-liner with only one thing in mind: To provoke me.
It's obivious.
As for the romanian getting unbanned. Guess what, I am highly critical of it, even for when he got unbanned so fast.
I'd say atleast 1 month before an unban. At the minium.
EDIT: Since joker requested it, further replies from me will not contain further swear words.
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What I like is:
/warn X Flaming
/ban X I told you to stop flaming him
And I like is:
/kick X Turn those hacks off
/ban X You were warned
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Every admin has their own unique style to deal with things, some do ban on every fart and some try to communicate.
If we can't handle trigger happy admins we are free to gtfo though, jus' sayin'.
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I don't find it funny that sometimes the administration commands are being abused for some random newbie lulz.
Mainchat:
Admin1 has warned rulebreaker for watch out and run, ban coming!
Admin2 has banned rulebreaker for told you, run away
Neither the reason is stated, nor is it appropriate to do that.
Especially the ban command should be used in fewer cases to avoid an instant "punishment that should teach rulebreakers a lesson", because it doesn't.
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But hey, let's be the smartass crack joke on racism. black black black. I'm sure as f**k everyone will appreciate it...
NOT. Stop excusing your shit as something "minor".
I never did excuse it as something minor. I actually confessed that the ban I got was damn well deserved. Even in my unban request, I never denied it as being deserved. I came forth completely with an apology to almost everyone I could think of, mostly towards those who could be offended and to those whose warnings I blatantly ignored. I probably should have been banned much longer than I was, though it's over with and I certainly did learn my lesson.
Somehow, you guys got the "mindset" that admins are people who sit on thier ass with an whip and whip you in the back if you even dare to let out an tiny drop of sweat.
Obviously not.
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What the hell? In that example the player obviously has no respect for the rules whatsoever, so why should we even unban him again?
Look at any random rule and you'll see that he constantly breaks it even after being punished...
And you ask why we ban for small things..? You're absolutely right; perhaps we should permanently ban without a chance to appeal.
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[aeva]
What the hell? In that example the player obviously has no respect for the rules whatsoever, so why should we even unban him again?
Look at any random rule and you'll see that he constantly breaks it even after being punished...
- Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy do not tell others to shut up. April 19 2011 15:05
- Banned by Aragorn constant flame and disrespect to players... April 11 2011 17:37
- Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm ramming and carkilling. April 11 2011 16:14
- Banned by Gimli flame in pm. April 04 2011 20:16
And you ask why we ban for small things..? You're absolutely right; perhaps we should permanently ban without a chance to appeal.
[/aeva]The so-called "bans for small things" are usually a result of admin profiling. An admin will look at a player's past history and use that in the decision of banning. The punishment should be judged by the current situation, not by some shit that occurred a year ago.
Now if they're constantly being warned and kicked over a period of one week for flaming and doing stupid shit in general, yeah, that will call for a ban. For example:
playah warned by admin for flaming day 1, hour 1
playah warned by a different admin for flaming day 1, hour 8
playah kicked by another admin for flaming day 2, hour 2
playah kicked by yet another admin for flaming day 2, hour 10
playah warned by yet another another admin for flaming day 3, hour 1
playah kicked by yet another another admin for flaming again day 3, hour 1.5
playah tempbanned by another different admin for uncontrolled flaming day 3, hour 3
playah kicked by a whole variety of admins for flaming days 4-6
playah banned by a whole other admin for continually flaming despite numerous warnings day 7
Stuff like that... yeah, that's easily deserving a ban.
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perhaps we should permanently ban without a chance to appeal.
Proves that your skills on argumentative talking has gone far away
Besides, Leon has a good point
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A player should only be warned once. Warned once to drop it, if he continues. Banning him can be the administrators choice. I prefer this.
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A player should only be warned once. Warned once to drop it, if he continues. Banning him can be the administrators choice. I prefer this.
People can do mistakes, you don't need to cut their heads for it if is not a big one. A time to rest like a /tempban would be more appreciated. IF their mistakes CONTINUE intentionally then yeah- there should be used an ban. In my opinion, no offence for ones who do not think like mine.
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A player should only be warned once. Warned once to drop it, if he continues. Banning him can be the administrators choice. I prefer this.
It's hard to drop something when you're angry. Honestly, the best thing to do would be to convince the angry player to calm down, tell them that you understand why they are mad and that it may or may not be justifiable, but they still need to chill. But really, this isn't exactly the most efficient way. Admins need to leap from one task to another ASAP.
When it comes to arguments, a minority (no, Gird3r, not the majority, not all, not half, not a quarter - a minority) of admins tend to punish the disgruntled player and disregarding the person who started it to begin with - the instigator. In those cases, those players have every reason to be angry, especially when the one who provoked them is being ignored. However, going wild with FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCK <insert flaming, fu's, b-words, etc, more cusswords here> shouldn't be allowed regardless of the circumstances that caused it.
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Then what is it that makes it hard to send in an mail regarding that "minority" of admins that are doing thier job wrong according to you?
Yes, what the player has done in the past does have an form of influence.
If an player has been banned 2 times, and then does the same offensive reason again, why should it not be taken into account what the player did before?
If admins completly ignored what players with an punishment record did in the past, then it would be stuck at /Warn /Warn /warn.
2 bans.
Then he does the same.
I highly doubt there should be /warn /warn /warn for that.
I'd say /warn then /kick, if not improving, then /tempban 60 min.
After that /ban.
If we ignored the record. The "Press button to continue" syndrome comes up. Since the player realises that admins don't give an crap about the past record.
If you assault someone.
Then go to jail for 1 month.
Come out.
Assault again.
Jail for 1 month.
Assault again
Jail for 1 month....
There would be no additional punishment since the record is forgotten. It would just loop like that until Aragorn get's pissed and perm-denied said player because his admin team has amnesia.
I could just punch my best friend in the face, he get's pissed. 5 days later I could do the same again, and he would be just as pissed as the last time...
And nothing additional would happen.
I think Cutter and Gimli summed it up really good.
For joker:
Yes people can make mistakes. And I absolutely agree with that.
But there's an difference between mistake and doing it intentionally.
Also, there's also an question of patience.
I cannot do 100 mistakes on the job. I will get kicked for that. Seriosly, it does not work that way.
And that's why you usually practice something in an safe enviroment. The same way we urge new players to read the rules carefully to AVOID doing such mistakes.
Regulars have and are expected to have experience with the rules. New players on the other hand, could be considered to be in an safety net (excluding insta-ban offenses such as hacking or doing adverts for other servers).
Sometime ago, I even saw an regular whining over this. It suprises me really such regulars still needs training wheels when they already got the experience needed to understand the rules. And why whine over it? It's like these specefic regulars expecting to be able to bend the rules in thier own favor.
By being softer on new players, admins aren't giving them an free-ticket to rulebreak as they want.
They are giving them help to understand the rules.
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If an player has been banned 2 times, and then does the same offensive reason again, why should it not be taken into account what the player did before?
Face
fucking
palm
You're missing the whole point I'm making. If a player has a tempban for DMing, a tempban for ramming, and a tempban for carkilling, he should not be full-banned if he flamed in the future just because an admin sees his shitty tempban record. The admin should punish him according to the current situation, not by profiling completely unrelated punishments. 5 tempbans for flaming in the past month, gets caught flaming again = justifiable ban. 5 tempbans with different reasons in the past month, gets caught doing something that he didn't do to get tempbanned in the past = unjustifiable ban.
Post Merge: May 27, 2011, 10:28:44 pm
Regulars [...] are expected to have experience with the rules.
And what if they happen to not? Should they be banned because you expected something from them they didn't have?
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Proves that your skills on argumentative talking has gone far away
Oh, how ironic.. :rofl:
Face
f**king
palm
You're missing the whole point I'm making. If a player has a tempban for DMing, a tempban for ramming, and a tempban for carkilling, he should not be full-banned if he flamed in the future just because an admin sees his shitty tempban record. The admin should punish him according to the current situation, not by profiling completely unrelated punishments.
Why? Assuming he's not a new player and the punishment is not open to interpretation (the player clearly understood he was breaking a rule), he should be punished for constantly breaking the rules.
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Oh, how ironic.. :rofl:
Why? Assuming he's not a new player and the punishment is not open to interpretation (the player clearly understood he was breaking a rule), he should be punished for constantly breaking the rules.
Well, yeah. If any player knowingly and intentionally breaks rules over and over, they should be punished more harshly.
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If a player has a tempban for DMing, a tempban for ramming, and a tempban for carkilling, he should not be full-banned if he flamed in the future just because an admin sees his shitty tempban record. The admin should punish him according to the current situation, not by profiling completely unrelated punishments. 5 tempbans for flaming in the past month, gets caught flaming again = justifiable ban. 5 tempbans with different reasons in the past month, gets caught doing something that he didn't do to get tempbanned in the past = unjustifiable ban.
I doubt anyone will actually use /ban in such a case. I mean, flaming is a damn broad thing. It's rare to see someone who can hold their fingers after they get pissed off, but then again I suppose people should pay attention to all rules not learn only one each ''punishment cycle''...
If they discharge their anger too frequently then they also need a while off to start practicing their ''antiraging'' skills.
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Why? Assuming he's not a new player and the punishment is not open to interpretation (the player clearly understood he was breaking a rule), he should be punished for constantly breaking the rules.
Well, what you mean with constantly? Like more times in a week, i hope. I do not think that if he makes some mistakes from month to month he need a hard punishment (depends if their mistakes are intentionally done or not) . Damn, we are humans to forgive, not to show how badass we are. Well, being an admin is hard, i guess, and if he do not know to forgive from my opinion he should not be in the admins team.
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Damn, we are humans to forgive, not to show how badass we are. Well, being an admin is hard, i guess, and if he do not know to forgive from my opinion he should not be in the admins team.
And those who simply think "I only risk getting a warning for this so I'll do break this rule" should not be players.
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And those who simply think "I only risk getting a warning for this so I'll do break this rule" should not be players.
(depends if their mistakes are intentionally done or not)
OFF-TOPIC : I hope my replies are not seen as some challenges. I guess we are all looking for the right thing.
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I'll keep it simple : We are all just humans, Admins helping to help and support the community, We all make faulths.. learn to live with it. ;)
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Those who already possess adequate knowledge of the rules yet continue to break them deliberately, should be punished harshly and removed from the server.
Regulars are expected to know the rules, period.
As an Owner pointed out, our problem is not with the players who do not know the rules, as we can train them... the real problem is with those who already do, yet break them anyway.
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I'll keep it simple : We are all just humans, Admins helping to help and support the community, We all make faulths.. learn to live with it. ;)
It's normal to faulth.
But some of the admins are powerhungry and they don't f**king care about the possition of the player, they just /ban ID Reason, that's it. Murt, Johny Gatt, JDC, Axis, Cutter and few more, are one of those who don't do that.
They just get this as a game, like it should be. ;)
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I can understand what you're talking about, yesterday we had a plain conversation about women, then Hidduh joined and threatened everyone with a ban, reason "Sexism"... I mean come on, no one was offended, our goal was not to offend anyone, we had a conversation that's all. If admins want to strict something, do it on RP quality, not on rules/punishments for simple things.
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It's normal to faulth.
But some of the admins are powerhungry and they don't f**king care about the possition of the player, they just /ban ID Reason, that's it. Murt, Johny Gatt, JDC, Axis, Cutter and few more, are one of those who don't do that.
They just get this as a game, like it should be. ;)
Murt and Johnny cant ban, I've never seen JDC ban anyone ever, and Axis is one of the best admins on the server. Cutt3r only gets involved if its something big. But, if you want to make anymore false accusations - [email protected]
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Oh, how ironic.. :rofl:
I wasn't joking :)
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Brad I have my kickhammer when I am evil :devroll:
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I can understand what you're talking about, yesterday we had a plain conversation about women, then Hidduh joined and threatened everyone with a ban, reason "Sexism"... I mean come on, no one was offended, our goal was not to offend anyone, we had a conversation that's all. If admins want to strict something, do it on RP quality, not on rules/punishments for simple things.
Don't even try to sugar coat your little "discussion".
Because it was defintly not "Normal women talk".
It was exactly what the reason stated. Sexism.
You guys took it to far. Hidduh did what he had to do to stop it.
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Don't even try to sugar coat your little "discussion".
Because it was defintly not "Normal women talk".
It was exactly what the reason stated. Sexism.
You guys took it to far. Hidduh did what he had to do to stop it.
You want a discussion the "normal" way you want it to be?
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You want a discussion the "normal" way you want it to be?
Yes, that does not include discrimination and constant sex talk in the chat.
It started normal. Ended with sexism... That is what I meant with "You guys took it to far".
What is so hard with going into an CB channel, and have their sex talk in there if they are so interested.
Mainchat is not porn chat. Nethier is it to be used to discriminate and generally disgust your fellow players.
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Yes, that does not include discrimination and constant sex talk in the chat.
It started normal. Ended with sexism... That is what I meant with "You guys took it to far".
What is so hard with going into an CB channel, and have their sex talk in there if they are so interested.
Mainchat is not porn chat. Nethier is it to be used to discriminate and generally disgust your fellow players.
What did they say?
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Murt and Johnny cant ban, I've never seen JDC ban anyone ever, and Axis is one of the best admins on the server. Cutt3r only gets involved if its something big. But, if you want to make anymore false accusations - [email protected]
I know that they can't, i wanted to point that this is just a game, no need to /ban on every fart as Aragorn said.
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I know that they can't, i wanted to point that this is just a game, no need to /ban on every fart as Aragorn said.
No, you quite clearly just wanted to throw about false accusations about the new moderators because you are jealous you didn't get to be one. Say what you want about any admin, your entitled to your own opinion, but say a thing about Murtaugh, and you're going to piss off a lot of people. He has a lot of very good friends in the server, including myself.
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No, you quite clearly just wanted to throw about false accusations about the new moderators because you are jealous you didn't get to be one. Say what you want about any admin, your entitled to your own opinion, but say a thing about Murtaugh, and you're going to piss off a lot of people. He has a lot of very good friends in the server, including myself.
Did i say something offensive to Murt, not !
I said he is the one that get this as a game, not as a way of life.
FFS.
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I know that they can't, i wanted to point that this is just a game, no need to /ban on every fart as Aragorn said.
We will not tolerate those who will act like assholes, because "it is a game". RON has been very strict on this.
Game or not, there are rules here to follow. I'm not asking everyone to be a bunch of squares who follow the rules like boy scouts down to the very letters, but at least to have enough fucking respect by other players by trying not to do inconsiderate actions (such as moaning or questioning / blackpainting admins) that will fuck up any calm atmosphere on the server.
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Removed.
wtf man
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Removed.
Please quit trolling, its against the rules. Thanks, have a nice day.
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Can someone get a list of my rule breaks?
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We will not tolerate those who will act like assholes, because "it is a game". RON has been very strict on this.
Game or not, there are rules here to follow. I'm not asking everyone to be a bunch of squares who follow the rules like boy scouts down to the very letters, but at least to have enough f**king respect by other players by trying not to do inconsiderate actions (such as moaning or questioning / blackpainting admins) that will f**k up any calm atmosphere on the server.
No offence JDC but community means people opinion. You should knew that inconsiderate actions happens. And btw, do not tell me that you have never break the rules, and im not speaking just about in game life.
Whatever, what i wanted to say is that things are not always like we want, but trying to make it better is the engine of our feelings for the community. Bad things happen with an reason.
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Ban for a "small" thing? Woah guys... You should wake up... Player with a huge record on his list, with 4 or 5 previous temporary bans for similar reasons this year, and for 15 total temporary bans in total doesn't deserve a ban? Looks like you've become sissy...
After each reply I've read, more and more I support Gimli's idea - to remove Unban Requests section. Maybe not for forever... Let's make it trial :) Would support unban requests for players within registration date of 1 month, if you're three-year veteran and still break our rules - I would love to say what I shouldn't say, from F. If you're breaking rules just because you think you'll gain constant advantage from that and that minor punishment won't have any effect on you - you're wRONg. Sooner or later, you'll be permamently asked out from the community.
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Ban for a "small" thing? Woah guys... You should wake up... Player with a huge record on his list, with 4 or 5 previous temporary bans for similar reasons this year, and for 15 total temporary bans in total doesn't deserve a ban? Looks like you've become sissy...
After each reply I've read, more and more I support Gimli's idea - to remove Unban Requests section. Maybe not for forever... Let's make it trial :) Would support unban requests for players within registration date of 1 month, if you're three-year veteran and still break our rules - I would love to say what I shouldn't say, from F. If you're breaking rules just because you think you'll gain constant advantage from that and that minor punishment won't have any effect on you - you're wRONg. Sooner or later, you'll be permamently asked out from the community.
I'd love to see this happen.
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I don't mind stricter punishments. Grow up.
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I don't mind stricter punishments. Grow up.
Ok so now all people who are bored and wanna say something with an nonsense says " Grow up "?
Why don't you do what you wanted us to do. Peace!
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Ban for a "small" thing? Woah guys... You should wake up... Player with a huge record on his list, with 4 or 5 previous temporary bans for similar reasons this year, and for 15 total temporary bans in total doesn't deserve a ban? Looks like you've become sissy...
After each reply I've read, more and more I support Gimli's idea - to remove Unban Requests section. Maybe not for forever... Let's make it trial :) Would support unban requests for players within registration date of 1 month, if you're three-year veteran and still break our rules - I would love to say what I shouldn't say, from F. If you're breaking rules just because you think you'll gain constant advantage from that and that minor punishment won't have any effect on you - you're wRONg. Sooner or later, you'll be permamently asked out from the community.
Remember that the admins can also make mistakes. Should these "so-called" rule breakers who has been here for three years be punished for that?
The unban section should still be there, yet lower the chances of getting unbanned thirty times for the constant cop hunting, continuous flaming and all these rather abnormal things. If you take a close look at the unban section, you will see the same old guys doing the same old, I have no idea why they're getting unbanned, since they're doing the same once they're back yet again.
"Ohowo, we're a mafia, let's grab the Sultan, drive around popping them tires, then we kill every cop chasing us orange, then we go outside LSPD to get chased wohohoh...TAKE THE NRG NRG!!!!! f**k WE GOT BANNED.. MAN we didn't even do this shit"
Familiar, isn't it?
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Yes it's familiar Que, I agree with you.
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"Ohowo, we're a mafia, let's grab the Sultan, drive around popping them tires, then we kill every cop chasing us orange, then we go outside LSPD to get chased wohohoh...TAKE THE NRG NRG!!!!! f**k WE GOT BANNED.. MAN we didn't even do this shit"
Familiar, isn't it?
LOL
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Time to share my view on this ...
First of all, do not judge on what you see .. Because most of you have no clue on what has happened before the 'ban', which doesn't mean i'm talking about maximum period of time in 1 hour.
Example :
'You log in'
'You play for a while'
'Suddenly you see a player Deathmatching'
'he gets banned for constant dm'
'OMG HE COULD OF GOTTEN TEMP BAN OMGOMG'
First of all : Player could have been deathmatching 7 times before you came on. Also note, that many small things add to a bigger thing, which eventually leads to a ban. It's not because you see somebody getting banned, its out of the sudden. If we, admins would do that, we wouldn't be in the list anymore.
Also, I'd like to ask you all (the players) to answer one questions :
If you get deathmatched, what is most of the time your response to a admin?
that's right, 99 % of the cases its : OMG LOST ALL GUNS BAN HIM PLS
Let's face the facts, if we would apply your suggestion, and keep /Warning, /Tempbanning, ...
Many people would see it as a oppertunity : dude let's DM and flame, all we'll get is a tempban then we connect to server when other admin is on and repeat the process, Hey ! let's TROLL its cool we'll be hero's
no sirs, you'll be banned.
Regards, Onotole
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Well, Chuck, good to see someone who is sharing his opinion without takin' this topic provokative. :)
-Cheers,
Joker.
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Right Finanly someones says it
it should be for what simply reason like deathmatching someone
Warn / Kick / Tempban / Ban thats the standard procedure in my eyes
in bad cases hackers warn the person to turn it off if not ban ( every players needs to get respect, and his chance )
Mass DM's situations or anything what means with mass - Finanly Last Warn to stopt directly if not /tempban 1 hour
Flaming or Insulting - Ask the one what he said and telles him to please stop with this if he doesnt stop tempban 30 minutes
Cophunting or anything hunting - ask to stop with this because this is not nice like that if he doesnt listen /kick
Angry People? who is flaming like a chicken - Give them a warn the chance to stop if not tell him he gets a cooldown period 30 minutes tempban
Abusing Commands or others rights: tell him this is strictly forbidden give him a chance to stop (warn) if not tempban 1 hour if still not /ban
Carjacking or fucking up a roleplay: tell him why he does it speak with him so he can learn from you as Admin! Give him a warn and remove him from the scene
Moaning People Who has not their day: Tell them to please stop if not kick or tempban 30 mins.
Provoking People tell the guy to stop it if not kick or tempban
Like this situations we see almost everyday in Argonath this should be a good procedure for admins and they will get their respect from others and everyone this will not make a chaos like everyday in argonath and banning people for sometimes nothing
If we start with this procedure we will get a Much Better Cool Server with less Situations or other shit
Admins have to RESPECT THE PLAYERS
EVERYONE NEEDS TO SHOW RESPECT!
Ray Brown
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So players has the right to decide their punishment now?
The "oh I'll rulebreak because admin will just kick me anyway" is an attitude I will not tolerate, and will earn an instant ban-on-sight from me.
Some of you are confusing "Admins should respect the players" with "Admins should do what players want"... yes, we respect our players, and we respect them well. That is the reason why we discipline those who choose to act like assholes and dickheads by ruining the fun for the rest of our players.
Excuse my harsh language, but that's the best way to put it.
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It's not harsh JDC, it's the obvious facts. You're the guy who really steps up, and that I admire about you, cheers Asia :hurray:
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People just need to chill, this includes both Admins and players.
This topic is also the most inappropriate way to go if you hope for changes.
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People just need to chill, this includes both Admins and players.
This topic is also the most inappropriate way to go if you hope for changes.
Well, Jimmy, then tell me the right way.
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Mikezor, we're doing more than you think... Sorry for repeating myself for like one billion times, but - most of our punishments are not visible to public. In your other topic you accused us for not talking to players. Do we talk to them - yes we do. How the heck can you see if we do or we don't? Noone has talked to you before kicking? Well, maybe because there were warnings issued in public to all players and you continued doing something, ignoring public-warnings? By the way, if you want to accuse someone for missuse of administrator's rights - [email protected]. Also, some evidence would be a good thing. Got plain accusations only? Do not shit on administration then..
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Inko is right, we will always try talk it out, we want players to enjoy their game play, but at the same time if they have problems and it comes out negatively, we'll try talk to them, perhaps something is wrong, that's why they're acting like that and so on.
One big problem I see at times is sometimes players think the admin team is suppose to be like your enemies. We're not, we're here to enforce the rules and help players if they're having troubles, we do this job to make a better place for you, to make sure the game play remains fun and not just boring because of illegal exploits and rule breaking. We're here to help you. It may seem to you we're handing out punishments to easily, but trust us, we do not, we try solve it without major things such as Commands, talking a lot of the times, brings a good result.
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Well, Jimmy, then tell me the right way.
The right way is to play and act in such a way that you can become part of the team and experience the attitude of players like you are now.