Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: aaroe on August 22, 2007, 11:30:05 am
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Hey
What is your guys opionen about kids from 13-16 being admins, not just here also on other sites and other games.
Aaroe
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I don't care as long as they are mature.
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Well, Im 16 and Im arguably one of the biggest businessmen in Argonath, I am moderator on server and Groups and Clans board moderator. I think age doesnt matter so much as the players' qualities should determine if they are admin material.
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yea same im 16 and im pretty mature, probably more so than older people.
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Only problem about the "as long as they are mature" thing is that most of them can be really "mature" when applying for the rule, but after they got the powers and had it for some time, they can be mean pricks.
Should have asked moderators around that age not to vote, wount get a real result then, you guys would never vote against your self ;)
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I'm 13, and i've been moderators and admin on so many sites it isn't funny. One site when i was 11 :O
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In this forum i saw more Over 18 Flamers, Hackers, Liars and unpolite persons then under 18, so the age doesen't really matter.
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I'm 13, and i've been moderators and admin on so many sites it isn't funny. One site when i was 11 :O
No offence but having a 11 years old admin makes no sense to me, my sister is 11 and is no were nearly mature enouch to do the job
Posted on: August 22, 2007, 11:14:07 AM
guess its just me bumbing into the unmature and ever so lame once then :redface:
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We have had trouble with guys that were well over 20. We have got very good admins that are under 16.
In most cases age does not matter. If a guy is a prick, he will be one at 13, at 25 and at 50 years old.
In our main admins we still have a running joke. How to make a guy leave the server ? Give him admins right. ;)
Most people do not understand that being admin is not a status. It is a job. Once they realise that being admin brings a lot of work and responsibility, they can already be afraid to come on to the server. That is why we always say do not be afraid to give up rights. You can be the best player without being suited for admin work. Unfortunately most people feel that if we take away rights it is because we 'hate' them.
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Remember the spartans and their military life, trained since kids to fight and be perfect soldiers. :redface: The age doesen't matter...you can be Mature at 13 years old as you can be mature at 25, it depends on how you grow and how your family gives you a proper education.
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I bet that at the age of 50, I will still think it's fun to crap on a school in the middle of the night wile reading the papers and drinking.
Most people would consider it immature but that doesn't mean I can't do my job as w/e I will be working with at that age.
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I think it depends on the person how fast he or she matures , although i think 11 is a little to young , for the Admins work we do here ..
at that age you just dont know everything you need to know yet -in my humble opinion-as of 13 or 14 i think that peole have learned (in school etc) what they need to be good at the job ..maybe a minimum of 14....
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also like i saw on the admins policy, Great power comes with great responsibility
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I agree with DeeJay quote, im 16 and i like to have fun every now and then but when it comes to admins work i am very mature and try not to lower my age by my actions. So my opinion like other is that age is not a factor of how mature u are. It is YOU that make YOU YOU. (Wow so many You's in one sentence :wow: )
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I honestly have no problem with 13year olds Admining [even though i am 13 myself]. A Brilliant Example Would Be Giac, Even though he is 13, He Is A Excellent Example of how a Administrator Should Behave [although, he does get up to no good sometimes ;). I myself can be immature at "times" , I mean, EVERYONE [I emphasize Everyone] Has Been immature at one stage of their life, whether they are 5 or 50.
Remember the Spartans and their military life, trained since kids to fight and be perfect soldiers. :redface: The age doesn't matter...you can be Mature at 13 years old as you can be mature at 25, it depends on how you grow and how your family gives you a proper education.
I totally agree with that. 13 is only a number, you can be basically the same as a 15 year old [in a way]
So, I have applied for Administration, And I Do Admit To Mucking Around Many Times, But, Just Because I Muck Around "Sometimes", And Because I'm 13, Should I Be Barred From Having A Job With Great Responsibility???
Please Think About This
Cheers'!
Mike :D
:ps: Keep Up The Good Work Giac :) Yay For 13 year olds!
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I forgot something before, the site where im admin, we had a 13 years old kid witch did a really nice job, but on the other hand we had 2 15 years old (now 16) witch abused their powers alot, witch fits better, boys in that ages tendt to be more trouble makers :p
Would i be framing someone if i said how i got abused, just a short story with no names?
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I honestly have no problem with 13year olds Admining [even though i am 13 myself]. A Brilliant Example Would Be Giac, Even though he is 13, He Is A Excellent Example of how a Administrator Should Behave [although, he does get up to no good sometimes ;). I myself can be immature at "times" , I mean, EVERYONE [I emphasize Everyone] Has Been immature at one stage of their life, whether they are 5 or 50.
I totally agree with that. 13 is only a number, you can be basically the same as a 15 year old [in a way]
So, I have applied for Administration, And I Do Admit To Mucking Around Many Times, But, Just Because I Muck Around "Sometimes", And Because I'm 13, Should I Be Barred From Having A Job With Great Responsibility???
Please Think About This
Cheers'!
Mike :D
:ps: Keep Up The Good Work Giac :) Yay For 13 year olds!
:redface:
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Mhhm yes i know why when guys get about 15 / 16 they enter the rebelious stage of adolecece , thinking back at that time myself (I was a pain in the ..)
i must admit that a 12 or 13 year old might have more self controll ..but this is so personal...
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I forgot something before, the site where im admin, we had a 13 years old kid witch did a really nice job, but on the other hand we had 2 15 years old (now 16) witch abused their powers alot, witch fits better, boys in that ages tendt to be more trouble makers :p
Would i be framing someone if i said how i got abused, just a short story with no names?
You should select better your admins, but the age doesen't matter...and i have been never abused by admins in Argonath, never. If a person has a good and strong personality can be mature at 13...otherwise (I wrote otherWIFE :rofl:) if this person is just a sheep who follows the group...nope, he can't be mature..not enough.
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Only thing that really matters is maturity and knowing the rules.. Age is really out of the question.
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Well i'm 15 :)
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My profile says I'm 22, but IRL I'm 14 ;)
No, age doesn't matter, it depends on the person.
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I've seen 18+ admins be more abusive then a 13-16 year old. Age has nothing to do with have good you are at being an admin.
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Age never matters on admin jobs. I'm 14 years old, and I've also seen allot of good admins under the age of 16.
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Im 14 and i don't have any problems with it. Age doesn't always count so much, brain counts.
Marc, lol, ah... Im too
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I'm 54... :conf:
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My profile says I'm 22, but IRL I'm 14 ;)
Cool :D
No, age doesn't matter, it depends on the person.
^ yeah :)
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I'm 54... :conf:
i thought you were like... 208 years old or something :conf:
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Abes 16 :p
1. He said it in a conversation with Panda and me before.
2. Would a 54 year old play GTA with his little brother? :p
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Abes 16 :p
1. He said it in a conversation with Panda and me before.
2. Would a 54 year old play GTA with his little brother? :p
Pedophiles, my friend. Pedophiles.
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Incest Pedophiles.
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Aaroe, Me as admin - i do it. But the time i Play RP - I am RPing not doing it mainly
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its not age, as much as maturity, im 16, and im more mature than most people i know
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Some young administrators have a really bad administrative attitude due to their immaturity so I kind of agree but then again... I don't know too many 18+ on-line multiplayer gamers to be honnest.
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Abes 16 :p
1. He said it in a conversation with Panda and me before.
2. Would a 54 year old play GTA with his little brother? :p
The 16 thing is just a pickup line I use to charm little boys with! :D
ps. Tiderman, where do you live? :roll:
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Requesting thread to be LOCKED
Reason: Going off-topic and there is still the golden Email - [email protected]
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Well, in my opinion, age does matter(by this i mean under 11), but like grovyle, hes a cool little kid, and hes a good player.
like admins are people too, idk about yall, but i hate getting dogged on alot, but i do not abuse them in any way.
Well, that was my Rant
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i saw a admin with 10 years.. and he's a good admin..
and i saw a admin with 21 years and he's real bad at all..
i mean.. the age does not care with the admin work
it's a skills wich we can't remove.
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!setskills Wayne 0
:P
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but like grovyle, hes a cool little kid, and hes a good player.
At least im mature sometimes...
I think im the youngest player here aswell .-.
But in MTA, when i didn't played SA:MP or VC:MP, i have saw a guy saying that he was 8 years old .____.' I remember his nick, it was StuntLegend i guess .-.
For me, age dosen't really matter, matters is the personality and the intellegence becuz i think to be admin u need very intelegence what to do with "that" and "this"...
Im mature sometimes, becuz some times i got mad and i was like a stupid :rofl:
Ah...
:ps: Im gonna change my nick again :p
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Requesting thread to be LOCKED
Reason: Going off-topic and there is still the golden Email - [email protected]
Why do we need to report??
It was a topic on our opinions about Under 16 admins... :neutral: :neutral:
I myself have No Problems [Well, I am 13, But Yer]
The 16 thing is just a pickup line I use to charm little boys with! :D
ps. Tiderman, where do you live? :roll:
And Abe, xD Keep It In Your Shorts/Pants/[Skirt???] :rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol:
Cheers'!
Mike :D
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[email protected] is not only for complains :PPPPP
for "private ideas" for example :lol:
Like i suggested a MTA:GTA3 server but its way too much work to admins and developers (it sure does :wow: ) :P
There were no section to post the idea but i didn't wanted to anyone else except the developers see, so i used the golden email :lol:
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I don't have a problem with younger admins atall... as long as they do it right which they do...
To be honest I'm impressed by all these 13year olds when i was 13 I didnt know how to write a website in to the address bar lol.
Thats why they have admin trial periods anyways....
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As long as the admin is Mature, Dose his or her job correctly. I don't care is he or she is 1 year old
I've seen many older admins that act very immature... (Around the age of 18..)
Mex, He is the best young Admin :)
I am only 15 years old, And not to brag or sound like an idiot but I think i'm more mature then most adults... Except when i'm acting like an ass privately :P
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@ Sickness - Whaha, me too, when i was at school, ive seen all the Freshman, how immature they act, i am like, standing and laughing at them all day.
soz for offtopic
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Report, why? Because from Aaroe, it is like complaint.
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Sigh, people thinking "omg your under 18, and it means you cant do admin work well" really are annoying. Age doesnt matter, I've seen lots adults that act stupider than young people -.-
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Sigh, people thinking "omg your under 18, and it means you cant do admin work well" really are annoying. Age doesnt matter, I've seen lots adults that act stupider than young people -.-
+1
Aaroe, if you mean
1) i kill Lionz for business reason - Doesn't have anything to do with my admin rights. Understand?
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We have had trouble with guys that were well over 20. We have got very good admins that are under 16.
In most cases age does not matter. If a guy is a prick, he will be one at 13, at 25 and at 50 years old.
In our main admins we still have a running joke. How to make a guy leave the server ? Give him admins right. ;)
Most people do not understand that being admin is not a status. It is a job. Once they realise that being admin brings a lot of work and responsibility, they can already be afraid to come on to the server. That is why we always say do not be afraid to give up rights. You can be the best player without being suited for admin work. Unfortunately most people feel that if we take away rights it is because we 'hate' them.
Some times.. The Right removal.. Causes a Fuck you or a Rons a Cunt...
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It's fine, because it's all based on maturity and responsibility, which has almost no connection with age.
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Im the last brave innocent guy who has been never abused, who doesen't see all these problems with admins, abusers, dmers, flamers? :trust:
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well in my opinion, admins should be any age, as long as they understand the responsibility of being an admin on argonath BUT i dont agree with being picked as an admin at the age of 11!! maybe over 12 but under 12, the ordinary 11 year old just wants to fuck about on servers, but as i said before, if u are a smart 11 year old and are mature enough to do the job then good, Gandalf has picked admins form all ages cos he believes they are responsible enough to do the job i dont think he would stop picking admins cos he feels that they are 'too young' and as i believe that if young admins show that they can be as good admins as 25 year olds, this is all the better for the server, as id expect 11 year olds to be playing the server for a long time to come(being only 11 and having the rest of their young adult life to play), theres not THAT many 25 year olds on the server, is there? lol
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I dont see abuse so its fine I guess...
Age doesnt matter... :)
(I was a worker at a server when I was 8 :lol: (I could kick them :roll:))
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Sigh, people thinking "omg your under 18, and it means you cant do admin work well" really are annoying. Age doesnt matter, I've seen lots adults that act stupider than young people -.-
Where did i write that? christ i asked i didnt complain get your stuff right!
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Aaroe, if you mean
1) i kill Lionz for business reason - Doesn't have anything to do with my admin rights. Understand?
Well andre, im not allowed to flame in here, but since you brought it up, its not about that, a while ago a guy form your gang got the idea that the Ryder brothers (me and my brother) DM'ed your gang so he along with you and some other LSA guy kept attacking us, and im not saing you kick me, but i got kicked for telling that we didnt DM you guys, its a while back and bearly remember it now.
And request topic locked? i dint complain about anyone, i asked a question.. christ
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They lack real maturity even if they can display it they are still children and dont have a clue with life, they cant really comprehend much and thus usually make incorrect decisions, favor people for no reason and kicking/freezing if they dont like something and go around being silly.
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Problems with admins/moderators?
Inform main admins team - [email protected]
Main admins are all mostly over 18...
As for abuse - everyone can abuse - age is not a reason...
Also teenagers can learn the game much faster then their dads...
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I'm only 14... and Hey, Look what I am. I am a grammar Nazi, I barely swear at all, and I think I'm super mature for my age. (Ahem :3)
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I'm only 14... and Hey, Look what I am. I am a grammar Nazi, I barely swear at all, and I think I'm super mature for my age. (Ahem :3)
super duper sonic mature? :))
nah joking, Age doesn't matter :D
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I started out as an admin when i was 15, was welcomed into the main admins after a month. Age dose not matter at all in my opion.
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super duper sonic mature? :))
nah joking, Age doesn't matter :D
YEah super duper sonic mature :D
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If a guy is a prick, he will be one at 13, at 25 and at 50 years old.
:eek: Noooo, my father wasnt a prick bastard at 13 , hes Now :rofl: , and my mum was bad but now shes eveil, people can change... if they want to.... ;)
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I think what aaroe is trying to say here is, that even how mature you act at the age of 13 or 14, most of time, you still won't always have the ability to judge some situations.
Note the highlighted words, as some young admins do a fine job - but the point is that generally many young people don't have the patience and the ability to judge it requires to be a good admin - no matter how mature they act.
No offense intended in this post. :roll:
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Being able to talk prim and proper is all good but real maturity doesent come from acting like a adult it comes from BEING one.
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Like license dont ride the age dont think is my opinion
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I'm only 14... and Hey, Look what I am. I am a grammar Nazi, I barely swear at all, and I think I'm super mature for my age. (Ahem :3)
Well I don't care about your grammar, I care about your real maturity and not how mature you act. "Real" mature people ARE mature, they don't act mature. Generally older people are far more experienced (in lots of stuff, not necessarily in being an admin).
Never met you, Fred, and it was not aimed at you specifically, but you get my point.
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nah i think its just the experience ,the more you are on the server the more you can withstand and the more you understand the rules and the more you know how to deal with issues. and so far there hasnt been any ' noob ' admins on the admin team and thats fine by me. :)
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Under the age of 16 is just a bad idea, whether they think it or not, the kids aren't mature/knowledgable enough to do their job in an un-biased way, I've noticed it going on alot. IMO demote all under 16 admins and use only fair & unbiased administrators that won't have such a negative effect on the server.
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Maybe its skilfull to post this topic at SAMP idea's?
Request for replacing to SAMP ideas *
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Maybe its skilfull to post this topic at SAMP idea's?
Request for replacing to SAMP ideas *
Its not a idea, too many "underaged" admins to start replacing all of the anyway.
Point is that the admins between 13 and 16 is easier to fool, easier to convience, wount admit an error and is likely to pick sides before they checked if the claime does hold water.
For example, i could kiss one of the admins ass for example Andre (just and example), play with him ingame and every time he does something (kicks/bans or something else) tell him how good he is, then just find a victem, DM him untill he DM's and kills me, then whine like a baby to Andre before andre checks what happend the guy i abused is gone, complare this to a more mature admin, like Hank, he doent pick sides he stands back and observe what is going on, then freezes you if needed and asks you what happed, im not the only one that prefer to get Hank to help, first of all he is one of the few admins that actually replays if you PM him ingame :S
I havent expirenced another admin freeze to people DM'ing and ask them what happend, easy way is just to kick the one who killed the other or kick both.
Again, its just an example its not framming, know those 2 from being at the server as the once i've seen and talked to
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Your example has nothing to do with age I think, it's just the way a person is.
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but there is a /report command
BTW 13 to 16 easy to fool.. im stupid but not foolish... so no that is not correct
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Your example has nothing to do with age I think, it's just the way a person is.
It got something to do with age, a person at 25 got more life experince than a person thats 13 years old, agree?
The way you are putting it you could say, why put a limit at the driving license its all about the person, lower it to 13 years old.
There is a reason why you need to be 16 at the lowest in the USA and 18 in most other contries..
Another example, i got a guy banned from the website im admin on because he threatened me with all kinda stuff if i ever correkted him topics again.
He did it to the admins on the site that were there before me and another older guy took over, and they didnt know how to react and didnt know if he would do it, so they just sucked it up and acted like nothing happend.
It does chance from person to person, but in general playing GTA SA all day every day of the week wount make a great admin, you need some life experiance to know how to react, like it or not
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Ok, I agree there's a difference between admins with different ages. But now my question: do you have problems with it?
If no - we don't need to discuss
If yes - use [email protected] and tell us which admins you have problems with, give also examples
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Ok, I agree there's a difference between admins with different ages. But now my question: do you have problems with it?
If no - we don't need to discuss
If yes - use [email protected] and tell us which admins you have problems with, give also examples
If no - Why do you think i made this topic, to ask you guys, read the first post..
If yes - Already did that, but how should i know if you done anything about it? you dont replay and i havent heart anything about it, i wrote to Aregon he talked to the admin i had problems with.
Besides that, im asking you guys, im not flamming anyone so why do you put it up like that?
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If no - Why do you think i made this topic, to ask you guys, read the first post..
If yes - Already did that, but how should i know if you done anything about it? you dont replay and i havent heart anything about it, i wrote to Aregon he talked to the admin i had problems with.
Besides that, im asking you guys, im not flamming anyone so why do you put it up like that?
*Phew, not me * :lol:
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*Phew, not me * :lol:
Nope, too bad im not allowed to flame him, would love to :)
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I responded based on my limited experience on this server, having read the messages here I wonder if I made the right vote.
One thing that does get my bak up tho is that if you read most of these posts they pretty much say yer young ok, but when they get older they no good....
However it should really be the first point, age does not matter whether young or old, its the capability of the individual person.
I have gamed on his server with some rather capable individuals only to find they are between half and a tird of my age, I found it odd at first but in the end they know the game, they know what they are doing, and most of all they are enjoying it.
Being an admin I see is about knowing the game, knowing the rules and most importantly knowing how to give a balanced judgement on all situations. The last is the hardest for anyone unless you have no ties to other gamers. You can be 10 or 50, if you meet the above you might be right for the job.
In some cases it might actually help some of the younger members mature into a more balanced person with less criticism about life in general..
At 32 and the way I do things I could probably do the job, but I don't have the time or willingness to make that sort of commitment, as others have said being an admin is like a job, I have one and that keeps me busy enough..