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Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: Mr.Eagle on June 03, 2011, 08:44:34 am
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Alright i'm buying a new computer by parts , graphic cards, processor, memory, monitor etc... that can run any modern games smoothly.
Graphic card = NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 ?
Processor = Intel Core i7-980X ?
Memory = 6GB DDR3 ?
Monitor =
Motherboard = ASUS P6X58D-E Intel X58
The Rest? ( sounds etc... )) =
Any ideas?
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You shouldn't buy such stuff if you obviously don't know anything about it.. appart from its existance..
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You said you need a pc to run games smoothly, this pc listed above is over smoothly :P no need for so expensive parts ;).. it's just wasted money to be honest :P
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no need for so expensive parts ;).. it's just wasted money to be honest :P
Agreed, Man a 3.0GHZ CPU is enough. tho. Get a ATI Gcard. and then start playing.
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Get a ATI Gcard. and then start paying for repairs
There, fixed it for you.
Don't get a 980, get a 970. If you're getting that good a CPU get a better motherboard as well - Rampage III Extreme would do you fine. Ram I can recommend is Mushkin Redline,Blackline or Radioactive. Best price/performance Monitors are Samsungs, I can personally recommend the 2450H - 24". If you're getting a monitor that big you'll need a GTX 460 at least but if you want a beefy single card a 570/580 is PERFECT. If you don't want a monitor that big save your cash and get a 560 for price/performance and longetivity. You won't need a sound card with a decent Asus motherboard as they feature exceptional onboard sound as standart. If you must, however, go for a Creative X-fi Fatality or Asus Xonar. Don't forget the most vital component of the computer - the power supply. I'd always go for Corsair myself as they may be expensive but they are the best - For a 970 with a 580 I'd go for a minimum of a TX750W Corsair. The case should be your choice but be careful as the Rampage III extreme motherboard is quite big and you'll need a big case. Something like my NZXT Phantom would do you fine, alternatives include many CoolerMaster cases such as the ATCS 840, HAF X(Really fugly, that :lol:) and really there's not much else competitive out on the market. Maybe a Bitfenix Colossus or something like that. If you want a snappy computer don't forget to spec up a solid state drive. I can recommend the Kingston SSDNow V100 Series, go for a 64GB for a price/volume compromise then buy a 1/2 TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 for storage.
If you really must buy now that is what you should go for ^
I'd recommend however to NOT buy now! Wait a little longer for AMD's new Bulldozer to come out!
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I have never had any problems with my Card.
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No Todor. You shouldnt get a 1st generation i7 for the 1366 socket like a 970.
The best processor atm (not counting dual xenon SR2 setup) is a sandy bridge i7 2600k. Out performs the 6 core 980X.
But also. The i5 2500k out performs the i7 2600k in gaming. Because Hyper threading is USELESS for gaming and thats why the i7 is meant for very processor heavy work like video rendering and 3D stuff.
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No Todor. You shouldnt get a 1st generation i7 for the 1156 socket like a 970.
The best processor atm (not counting dual xenon SR2 setup) is a sandy bridge i7 2600k. Out performs the 6 core 980X.
But also. The i5 2500k out performs the i7 2600k in gaming. Because Hyper threading is USELESS for gaming and thats why the i7 is meant for very processor heavy work like video rendering and 3D stuff.
Wrong, wrong, wrong AND wrong. Do your homework first, please.
The X58 chipset is set around the 1366 socket which the 970 uses. It is far superior to sandy bridge and sandy bridge replaces the 1156 socket.
The best processor ATM is the 990X.
A sandy bridge 2600k will not outperform a 6core hyperthreaded 980X.
The i5 2500k does not "out perform" the i7 2600k in gaming, simply because it's inferior.
Hyperthreading is not USELESS for gaming, tried multitasking lately? A solid processor is the core to a snappy computer.
"i7 is meant for very processor heavy work like video rendering and 3D stuff." - At least you got that bit right.
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For gaming if you compare the i5 2500k and 2600k the i7 is just extra heat with HT
Try RTS games, MMO's and youll see that the i5 2500k is way superior. new architecture can do wonders.
There are load and loads of benchmarks.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=142 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=142)
And here you can see the 2500k happily beating the 980X
And the 2500k also beats the 970 in CPU heavy games by almost 10 fps and sometimes more.
Once again if were talking about gaming. Then socket 1366 is not superior to sandy bridge by any way.
And yes HT IS useless for gaming. Your the one who should be doing your homework.
Hyperthreading is not USELESS for gaming, tried multitasking lately? A solid processor is the core to a snappy computer.
Cause people multitask alot while playing games. Right? If you think of some games that even use all 4 cores. Like Bad company 2 and GTA IV. Who would multitask while playing those?
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Agreed, Man a 3.0GHZ CPU is enough. tho. Get a ATI Gcard. and then start playing.
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Dude seriously, when you don't know something, prefer to not talk ;).. It's hilarious..
I'd say go for i5 2500k, very good CPU.. and if I'm right also cheaper than the i7..
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i7 is overrated and i5 is underrated indeed.. I'm still rolling with Core 2 series though. Much more stable.
And yes, Jesse. GHZ is the last thing i'd look at when buying a CPU. How about Cache, Clock Speed, Bus Speed / FSB.. overclocking possibilities... Hell, even the cores are important to me ( Kentsfield, Conroe, Lakefield.... )
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For gaming if you compare the i5 2500k and 2600k the i7 is just extra heat with HT -> I think you'd find it adds to performance. If you seek a cool CPU get a 1055.
Try RTS games, MMO's and youll see that the i5 2500k is way superior. new architecture can do wonders. -> It's not, really. The only thing that's improved is memory bandwidth and that's led to a loss in PCI performance which means LOWER FPS in proper games.
There are load and loads of benchmarks. -> Examples.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=142 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=142)
And here you can see the 2500k happily beating the 980X Those are synthetic benchmarks which are based around bandwidth. For the gaming I would like them to do it infront of a camera with a decent graphics card and then we'll see.
And the 2500k also beats the 970 in CPU heavy games by almost 10 fps and sometimes more. -> Which is bullshit.
Once again if were talking about gaming. Then socket 1366 is not superior to sandy bridge by any way. ->.. Right.
And yes HT IS useless for gaming. Your the one who should be doing your homework. -> Don't be silly, I have done my homework :)
Cause people multitask alot while playing games. Right? If you think of some games that even use all 4 cores. Like Bad company 2 and GTA IV. Who would multitask while playing those? -> Open a browser, listen to music, maybe radio? Read a walkthrough? Simples, Alttabbing power.
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Scroll down that anandtech benchmark and youll see sandy bridge beating the 980X in Dawn of war and WoW by up to 10 fps.
Do you have any proof of 2600k adding gaming performance compared to 2500k? No you dont.
Do you really think HT gives you more fps and gaming performance?
Very few games are multithreaded for 4 cores so how the f**k could they use 8 threads.
Lets say your playing Cod with a 2500k. Great your using 2 cores. Then you start up firefox and NOW your using 3 cores. Startup winamp and now your up to 4.
So why do you need HT? Most modern games use 2 to 3 threads.
I really dont understand what the f**k your talking about or if your trolling. You have no proof that the first generation i7 and 6 cores i7's would be better for gaming than sandy bridge.
You asked for examples?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/50 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/50)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=157 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=157) theres the 2500k beating the 970 in WoW by 20 fps.
Imagine when you OC the 2500k to 5ghz
And scroll down the benchmarks this time.
Okay maybe the 2600k is a little faster in some games. But who would pay 100 euros to go from 120 fps to 124 fps?
Why would intel make a 2nd generation i7 if it were worse than the 1st?
Also if you get Sandy bridge now youll be able to slap on an Ivy bridge CPU later on. while others are stuck with their 980X's that cost more than a good computer.
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Scroll down that anandtech benchmark and youll see sandy bridge beating the 980X in Dawn of war and WoW by up to 10 fps.
Do you have any proof of 2600k adding gaming performance compared to 2500k? No you dont.
Do you really think HT gives you more fps and gaming performance?
Very few games are multithreaded for 4 cores so how the f**k could they use 8 threads.
Lets say your playing Cod with a 2500k. Great your using 2 cores. Then you start up firefox and NOW your using 3 cores. Startup winamp and now your up to 4.
So why do you need HT? Most modern games use 2 to 3 threads.
I really dont understand what the f**k your talking about or if your trolling. You have no proof that the first generation i7 and 6 cores i7's would be better for gaming than sandy bridge.
You asked for examples?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/50 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/50)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=157 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=157) theres the 2500k beating the 970 in WoW by 20 fps.
Imagine when you OC the 2500k to 5ghz
And scroll down the benchmarks this time.
Okay maybe the 2600k is a little faster in some games. But who would pay 100 euros to go from 120 fps to 124 fps?
Why would intel make a 2nd generation i7 if it were worse than the 1st?
Also if you get Sandy bridge now youll be able to slap on an Ivy bridge CPU later on. while others are stuck with their 980X's that cost more than a good computer.
1155 is replacing 1156! Not 1366.. Don't be retarded. Per-core performance of the 1366 CPUs is larger than the four-cored 2500k and the effects of overclocking the SB chips are not that great due to the nature of the overclocking - it's all done by the multiplier.
Read up on graphics-dependant benchies and games please ;)
For example:(bear in mind this 2600k is pitched against an i7 950, not a hexcore)
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/asus_maximus_4_extreme_review/9 (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/asus_maximus_4_extreme_review/9)
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/asus_maximus_4_extreme_review/11 (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/asus_maximus_4_extreme_review/11)
I understand your confusion totally! The 1155 CPUs were made specifically to work well with benchmarks so it's a common misconception that they are, indeed more powerful than the Big Daddy 1366s.
Once you think about it you'll realise it's nothing but a very clever marketing ploy - They say "Look here, brand new CPU with brand new mobo for cheaper than the others while being more powerful *select benchmarks only" And it's all in reading the small print. Should I mention the chipset deterioration which caused HDDs to be destroyed in the beginning of the lifeline of 1155? Seriously, don't fall for it..
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The point is that the OP should not get a 980X for gaming because your paying the price of a computer for only a CPU. When you can get a 1155 i5 and get better performance.
When you get a 1155 board you can easily upgrade to Ivy bridge. Thats why 2500k is the better gaming CPU.
the effects arent that great due to the nature of the overclocking - it's all done by the multiplier.
Probably gonna get flamed for this. But you havent tried WoW. Its that kind of game that gives you 40% more fps when overclocking an i5 from 3ghz to 3.8ghz. Imagine when you OC your 2500k to 5ghz.
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The point is that the OP should not get a 980X for gaming because your paying the price of a computer for only a CPU. When you can get a 1155 i5 and get better performance.
When you get a 1155 board you can easily upgrade to Ivy bridge. Thats why 2500k is the better gaming CPU.
Probably gonna get flamed for this. But you havent tried WoW. Its that kind of game that gives you 40% more fps when overclocking an i5 from 3ghz to 3.8ghz. Imagine when you OC your 2500k to 5ghz.
My 950 is running at 4.5, believe me I know. As I said per core the 980x is more powerful, for the simpleton within you that means each of the 980's cores is more powerful than each of the 2500ks. The 980x has 6 cores + hyperthreading, it's MORE POWERFUL. Sure it's not bang per buck but you're saying that the 2500k is better which is simply not true. Anandtec have been paid/are retarded and are pitting a clocked 2500 vs a stock 980.
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Well. For the millionth time:
your right that the 980X is just more powerful overall and that it is faster per clock, but its not better for gaming. Six cores with twelve threads does not make it superior in the gaming department. Most games use maybe two threads, some might use more. Right now, four cores is plenty for gaming and six is just a waste, plain and simple. Its not just Anandtech that has these benchmarks, either. Do some digging and youll find out.
In fact, I did a little digging and here you go: http://www.techreaction.net/2011/01/...rld-part-22/6/. (http://www.techreaction.net/2011/01/...rld-part-22/6/.) Pretty much, Sandy Bridge CPUs are superior for gaming in that they get the same performance in games at a fraction of the cost.
you're saying that the 2500k is better which is simply not true
If you can get more fps with 190 euros than 900 euros then it means that the 2500k is better.
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and thats why the i7 is meant for very processor heavy work like video rendering and 3D stuff.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Should get a GTX 570 ;D
The newer Nvidia Cards have CUDA cores. These take care of Video Rendering much faster than a Processor can.
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Actually even GeForce 8 series has CUDA.
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Well. For the millionth time:
your right that the 980X is just more powerful overall and that it is faster per clock, but its not better for gaming. Six cores with twelve threads does not make it superior in the gaming department. Most games use maybe two threads, some might use more. Right now, four cores is plenty for gaming and six is just a waste, plain and simple. Its not just Anandtech that has these benchmarks, either. Do some digging and youll find out.
In fact, I did a little digging and here you go: http://www.techreaction.net/2011/01/...rld-part-22/6/. (http://www.techreaction.net/2011/01/...rld-part-22/6/.) Pretty much, Sandy Bridge CPUs are superior for gaming in that they get the same performance in games at a fraction of the cost.
If you can get more fps with 190 euros than 900 euros then it means that the 2500k is better.
I just won't continue to argue further, there's a reason the 970, 980 and 990 all cost more than most people on here's houses, let alone their computers.
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Actually even GeForce 8 series has CUDA.
Ah, okay, my bad.
I just won't continue to argue further, there's a reason the 970, 980 and 990 all cost more than most people on here's houses, let alone their computers.
VERY HIGH levels of cache by any chance? D:
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Ah, okay, my bad.
VERY HIGH levels of cache by any chance? D:
Add to that 6 cores and per-core performance beating any other CPU on the market :neutral: Oh and a fantastic chipset which they work with as well! :lol:
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Add to that 6 cores and per-core performance beating any other CPU on the market :neutral: Oh and a fantastic chipset which they work with as well! :lol:
AMD have some epic six core CPUs. :trust:
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AMD have some epic six core CPUs. :trust:
They rival the likes of i7 930s, not as good per core or overall as 950s at stock and when clocked they're pretty much the same as a clocked 870 (1156)
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They rival the likes of i7 930s, not as good per core or overall as 950s at stock and when clocked they're pretty much the same as a clocked 870 (1156)
Yea, the attraction to AMD is that the Majority of time you get a lot more power for your money.
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Yea, the attraction to AMD is that the Majority of time you get a lot more power for your money.
Bang for buck was 6 months ago and still is the i7 950 at the around 150-200GBP range. Plus the new AMD cards suck Tommy Verceti's massive cojones :neutral: ('cept for the 6990, that's a motherfaggin beast)
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Comparisons of CPUs performance for usage of one core.
The i7 950 seems to be FAR down that list.
Click 'CPU Value' to see the CPUs in order of Value
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php)
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Comparisons of CPUs performance for usage of one core.
The i7 950 seems to be FAR down that list.
Click 'CPU Value' to see the CPUs in order of Value
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php)
Yeah but you're not using one core, are you? :lol: I don't know how they get their 1 core results but I assume they switch idle on on all other cores then switch hyperthreading off as well. Who would do that in normal usage? Even in Windows I can see all my cores being used (Hyperthreaded too)
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Anyone tell me what is the best Video/Gcards you can get for 3-4k ?
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Anyone tell me what is the best Video/Gcards you can get for 3-4k ?
3-4k in what currency? IMHO right now what I'd spend my money on is a GTX570 (MSI GTX570 TwinFrozr) then SLI them when they get cheap in a year or two and games advance.
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3-4k in what currency? IMHO right now what I'd spend my money on is a GTX570 (MSI GTX570 TwinFrozr) then SLI them when they get cheap in a year or two and games advance.
Well i wanna play without any lags. And im looking for some better parts to my PC. Current Gcard is ATI HD 5450 (1024mb)
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Guys, what the fuck, really. What does it matter if your computer runs 1FPS higher than another one? If it can run it, what's the big deal?
The better = The more money it'll cost you and my only advise to give you is don't spend TOO much money in computers anyway. Perhaps within 2 months you want another hobby and there you are, with that ubersystem that you don't use anyway. Remember to buy what you need, not the best thing on the Market.
You don't buy a Ferarri just because you need to drive to work eh?
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Look, no matter you buy it's usually outdated within 5-10 years, often sooner.
Get a Card that does WHAT YOU WANT plus a bit extra, and this will last you a while.
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Well i wanna play without any lags. And im looking for some better parts to my PC. Current Gcard is ATI HD 5450 (1024mb)
Tell me what your budget is in Euros or Pounds (GBP) please.