Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Mashgash on June 06, 2011, 03:56:32 am
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Today, I was involved in a shootout as a Paramedic, I aided SAPD and I took down severel suspects during SAPD Officers was outnumbred. However, I got arrested for murder, even if I saved Officer lifes, I was really suprised and then the Officer told me about the Constitution, I read it and found
Act XIII.V: No citizen is allowed to attempt to help a law enforcer if he is not a law enforcer on duty himself.
What the heck is this? What about an SAPD Officer, (or any other law enforcement member) is in direct danger, say for exemple he's being kidnapped and I, as a civilan, can stop this before SAPD can even lift their finger. Am I being arrested for murder on ''civilan'' then? In my opinion, this is really silly and I would like to hear what the President and the Prime Minister wants to say about this, because this needs to change. In some situations I, as a civilan, can act faster then SAPD or atleast slow the suspects down until SAPD arrives, am I being suspect for that? Because I'm doing good things and saving Officers lifes?
What do you think, tell me your view on this.
The Constitution (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57761.0)
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This seems odd, since Gandalf wrote this in an early version of the constitution, i wonder why it isn't in the current version...
Act XIII.V: No citizen is allowed to attempt to help a law enforcer if he is not a law enforcer on duty himself except if the law enforcer has explicitly requested this help.
It would help if gandalf clarifies this..
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Point 1: As a paramedic, your job is to save lives. Paramedics do not carry a lethal weapon with them on the job.
Point 2: When Act XIII.V states that no citizen is allowed to assist a law enforcement officer, it means no citizen is allowed to aid the officer in a pursuit, shootout, or any other situations that require law enforcement officers, WITH the presence of one (or more) officers. In the situation you have given, because there is no officer present, the citizen should undergo investigation after the incident, and if proven to be true, should be allowed to be free.
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Point 1: As a paramedic, your job is to save lives. Paramedics do not carry a lethal weapon with them on the job.
Point 2: When Act XIII.V states that no citizen is allowed to assist a law enforcement officer, it means no citizen is allowed to aid the officer in a pursuit, shootout, or any other situations that require law enforcement officers, WITH the presence of one (or more) officers. In the situation you have given, because there is no officer present, the citizen should undergo investigation after the incident, and if proven to be true, should be allowed to be free.
I always carry weapons with me, you never know what is behind the corner. And I did my job, though the way it isn't expected by a paramedic to do it but I saved lives :roll:
I demanded a investigation but the SAPD member told I was a murderer and he wanted me in jail. And it was Officers present, two SAPD members, against 5-7 heavly armed suspects. I aided SAPD because SAPD couldn't do it by them self, though SAPD wasen't happy.
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And it was Officers present
This makes the officer's point valid. You are not allowed to act as law enforcement when there are other law enforcement officers already handling the situation. However, when there are no officers around, and you witness an emergency situation, you are allowed to take matters into your own hands.
As far as I know, anyway.
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I remember reading somewhere on the ARPD forums that we will still unsu people if they helped generously, but since many people use the excuse to get unsused or simply interfere while trying to help its illegal, we still unsu people if they save lives or something
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I always carry weapons with me, you never know what is behind the corner. And I did my job, though the way it isn't expected by a paramedic to do it but I saved lives :roll:
I demanded a investigation but the SAPD member told I was a murderer and he wanted me in jail. And it was Officers present, two SAPD members, against 5-7 heavly armed suspects. I aided SAPD because SAPD couldn't do it by them self, though SAPD wasen't happy.
Everyone got the right to an investigation. But I wouldn't want to see citizens aid the cops, then the cops would be a larger amount. :lol:
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If you want to be a cop - become one. If you assault another civilian (suspect), you commit a crime yourself. You still assault a citizen, and was he or wasn't he a suspect does not matter at all.
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Medic is not a cop, your task is to heal others and not kill. Want to help the cops? Go on cop duty.
Your arrest was totally right.
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Having a good reason for murder does not stop you from being a murderer.
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Being a vigilante is against the law.
Medics have taken an oath to only help people, not hurt them - yet you carry weapons with you?
Just become a cop.
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I'm agreed with Gandalf and Inkognito here.
If you go on paramedic duty, you'll be a paramedic and NOT a cop.
If you want to do cop work, go on cop duty then. It's not harder. When you dial 911 it means that you are calling the 3 different law employments- police, fire department, paramedic. They are all doing their different duties. There is not necessary aiding the police in a shootout.
Example; when suspects are barricadeed behind a car and so are the cops and they have a shootout. Then you'll come and bunnyhop towards the suspects starting hitting them?
Ok we get it.. Argonath is not a serious rp server, but for god sake. It has limits!
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Still it's a bit odd.
I came there when the fireman called in /e that he recived fire from the gang, and then my aim was to heal the fireman. I called SAPD when I was on scene, first Officer almost died, second Officer didn't die because I stole the suspects attention from him. I helped the SAPD because they needed it, not because I had fun. As an old SAPD member and currently FBI Cadet (Can't be on duty without Agent+ online) I felt it was my duty.
The reason for murder was good reason, they assaulted the law enforcement and they should had escaped with it too and taken two Officer lives aswell. For me, it doesn't makes sense.
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perhaps reduce jail time for goodness helping LAW enforment :)
dont it Cop,medic and fireman is goverment?
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Let me explain, Mash.
Killing is wrong.
If you kill a killer, it is wrong, because two wrongs do not make a right.
You were not a cop, you acted as a vigilante.
Your duty is not to help them by aiding the cops, your duty is to /hide until the shootout is over and then heal the injured.
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From my knowledge, this is how it goes...
An Officer patrols and suddenly his cars blows up. Another Sultan comes out with one citizen coming out. He takes out a shotgun and aims on the Officer. He asks him to put his hands up and sit in the back of his car. He is being kidnapped. Now here, there is another citizen who got to know the Officer is being kidnapped. The suspect is busy aiming at him and getting him in and the Officer has no choice but to put his hands up. And there is no Officer near or 76 to there. The citizen has all rights to save the Officer but how will he?
If he has a vehicle then he should go near him and ask the officer to get in his car NOW and tell him that he is being rescued. You have rescued an Officer and you are not guilty. If you get out and take out your gun and shoot him out as rescuing the Officer. That is not the appropriate way to rescue him. You had other ways therefore you are guilty.
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From my knowledge, this is how it goes...
An Officer patrols and suddenly his cars blows up. Another Sultan comes out with one citizen coming out. He takes out a shotgun and aims on the Officer. He asks him to put his hands up and sit in the back of his car. He is being kidnapped. Now here, there is another citizen who got to know the Officer is being kidnapped. The suspect is busy aiming at him and getting him in and the Officer has no choice but to put his hands up. And there is no Officer near or 76 to there. The citizen has all rights to save the Officer but how will he?
If he has a vehicle then he should go near him and ask the officer to get in his car NOW and tell him that he is being rescued. You have rescued an Officer and you are not guilty. If you get out and take out your gun and shoot him out as rescuing the Officer. That is not the appropriate way to rescue him. You had other ways therefore you are guilty.
Yeah and the kidnapper will watch and say - Damn, I didn't managed to kidnap him. :gd:
The funny thing is, IRL, in France, you being jailed if you saw a situation and could have done something to prevent it. Yes, it's true.
All I want to say, Civilans isn't guilty if they helped out ARPD/SAPD if it's REALLY necessary, as it was in this case. I understand if it's ten units on scene and a civilan killing suspects, then should understand, but in this situation, it was over five suspects and two police officers. And yes, the suspects was armed with Combat Shotguns, all of them.
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Having a good reason for murder does not stop you from being a murderer.
This, if you want to make a change to the constitution, make a proper topic at the supreme court. Thanks.
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