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Title: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Hidduh on June 07, 2011, 07:44:42 pm: I still experience lagg when playing some games and i've been considering upgrading my hardware.. any suggestions?

Specs:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93GHz
6071 MB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 5450 (1024 MB)
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: duffman on June 07, 2011, 08:36:16 pm: A Intel i5 or a i7...
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Todor on June 07, 2011, 11:02:18 pm: The cpu is fine. Give me your motherboard and power supply and I'll suggest a good graphics card for you. A 5450 is NOT good enough for gaming, even for GTA:SA which is a 6 year old game, as I'm sure you've noticed.
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Julio. on June 08, 2011, 12:09:22 am: Quote from: Todor on June 07, 2011, 11:02:18 pm
The cpu is fine. Give me your motherboard and power supply and I'll suggest a good graphics card for you. A 5450 is NOT good enough for gaming, even for GTA:SA which is a 6 year old game, as I'm sure you've noticed.

My old laptop used to run GTA SA maxed out and it had a 256mb graphics card, pretty slow as well.
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Hidduh on June 08, 2011, 01:10:45 am: Quote from: Todor on June 07, 2011, 11:02:18 pm
The cpu is fine. Give me your motherboard and power supply and I'll suggest a good graphics card for you. A 5450 is NOT good enough for gaming, even for GTA:SA which is a 6 year old game, as I'm sure you've noticed.

Motherboard:
CPU Type DualCore Intel Core i3 530, 2933 MHz (22 x 133)
Motherboard Name MSI Iona
Motherboard Chipset Intel Ibex Peak H57, Intel Ironlake
System Memory 6071 MB (DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM)
DIMM1: Samsung M378B5673EH1-CH9 2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (8-8-8-22 @ 609 MHz) (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz) (6-6-6-17 @ 457 MHz)
DIMM2: Samsung M378B5673EH1-CH9 2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (8-8-8-22 @ 609 MHz) (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz) (6-6-6-17 @ 457 MHz)
DIMM3: Samsung M378B5673EH1-CH9 2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (8-8-8-22 @ 609 MHz) (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz) (6-6-6-17 @ 457 MHz)
BIOS Type AMI (12/21/09)

Power supply = 300 W
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Norrage on June 08, 2011, 01:15:45 am: Quote from: Todor on June 07, 2011, 11:02:18 pm
The cpu is fine. Give me your motherboard and power supply and I'll suggest a good graphics card for you. A 5450 is NOT good enough for gaming, even for GTA:SA which is a 6 year old game, as I'm sure you've noticed.

I have an ATI Radeon HD 5470, and I play GTA IV lagless..
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Fuzzy on June 08, 2011, 07:43:18 am: Is it a laptop?
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Aimzz on June 08, 2011, 09:53:15 am: You might want to upgrade the PSU, if you are planning to buy a powerful video card
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Hidduh on June 08, 2011, 11:20:42 am: Quote from: Fuzzy on June 08, 2011, 07:43:18 am
Is it a laptop?

No
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Dutchy on June 08, 2011, 12:52:20 pm: I've got the same GPU, it works fine with GTA SA, with 1024X768 res, Low Qual and 3 AA...

GTA IV on the other hand.. Don't expect great quality.
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Julio. on June 08, 2011, 07:39:34 pm: Quote from: Dutchy on June 08, 2011, 12:52:20 pm
I've got the same GPU, it works fine with GTA SA, with 1024X768 res, Low Qual and 3 AA...

GTA IV on the other hand.. Don't expect great quality.

AA barely does anything, turn that off and the other settings up :P
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Dutchy on June 08, 2011, 08:04:41 pm: Quote from: joedaman633 on June 08, 2011, 07:39:34 pm
AA barely does anything, turn that off and the other settings up :P

Yes it does, when I turn AA to 0 and quality to very high, the game looks shit.
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Todor on June 08, 2011, 11:54:12 pm: Quote from: Hidduh on June 08, 2011, 01:10:45 am
Motherboard:
CPU Type DualCore Intel Core i3 530, 2933 MHz (22 x 133)
Motherboard Name MSI Iona
Motherboard Chipset Intel Ibex Peak H57, Intel Ironlake
System Memory 6071 MB (DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM)
DIMM1: Samsung M378B5673EH1-CH9 2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (8-8-8-22 @ 609 MHz) (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz) (6-6-6-17 @ 457 MHz)
DIMM2: Samsung M378B5673EH1-CH9 2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (8-8-8-22 @ 609 MHz) (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz) (6-6-6-17 @ 457 MHz)
DIMM3: Samsung M378B5673EH1-CH9 2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (8-8-8-22 @ 609 MHz) (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz) (6-6-6-17 @ 457 MHz)
BIOS Type AMI (12/21/09)

Power supply = 300 W

What I recommend you buy are the following:

Corsair TX-650 Power supply which can be found here:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/650W+or+less/650W+Corsair+TX650+V2+ATX2.3+SLI%2FCrossfire+Compliant+Power+Supply+?productId=43905 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/650W+or+less/650W+Corsair+TX650+V2+ATX2.3+SLI%2FCrossfire+Compliant+Power+Supply+?productId=43905)

And depending on your case, whether it's well ventilated or not either this GTX 560:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/NVIDIA/NVIDIA+GTX+560+Series/EVGA+GeForce+GTX+560+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+%5B01G-P3-1460-KR%5D+?productId=44793 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/NVIDIA/NVIDIA+GTX+560+Series/EVGA+GeForce+GTX+560+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+%5B01G-P3-1460-KR%5D+?productId=44793)

Or this one:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/NVIDIA/NVIDIA+GTX+560+Series/MSI+GeForce+GTX+560Ti+Twin+FrozR+II+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+?productId=44470 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/NVIDIA/NVIDIA+GTX+560+Series/MSI+GeForce+GTX+560Ti+Twin+FrozR+II+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+?productId=44470)

I can assure you with this graphics card you will be able to run ANY game at ANY resolution and ANY settings. If it's beyond your budget tell me and I'll figure something else out for you ;) If you're interested in overclocking give me a shout as well so I can recommend you a decent cooler ( I suspect you're using the stock INTEL heatsink? ).
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Max. on June 09, 2011, 01:25:48 am: Your computer is honestly fine, games like Crysis 1 and GTA IV, are very CPU heavy, and the i series Processors from Intel are not good at handling games that are CPU heavy like those, you can muck around with the clock settings to make it run those games properly(as the base settings are not good for gaming), but make sure not to overclock it too much or you could experience problems and or loss of CPU completely
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Kessu on June 14, 2011, 12:24:13 pm: So many lies in this topic

Buying an ATi video card now-a-days does not mean you need superhyperuberdupersupadupashitmatafaki ng PSU. ATI Radeon HD 5870 uses a bit over 200W at max, normal gaming about 150W. And please, ohmygod, why would you ever go Intel when AMD is way much cheaper? Phenom II X6 against any i7 and it wins in price/perfomance ratio.

I'm pretty sure you need only 4Gb RAM if you only play games and don't do anything else. For RAM, I suggest A-Data or Corsair.

ATi Radeon HD 5750/5770 is way more than enough for gaming. (Even GTA IV runs on it) (I recommend only ATi, due to price:perfomance)

If you REALLY want a PSU, get Enermax 425W 82+ Pro. Watts are overrated in PSUs anyways.
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Jack Bauer on June 14, 2011, 01:18:34 pm: Get a good PSU, atleast 600watt, do check what brand, dont get some cheapskate Trust.
OCZ, Cooler Master, Corsair, Thermaltake are kinda good.
Perhaps this (http://www.mycom.nl/Product/Componenten-Voeding/OCZ-StealthXStream-2-600WATT/288340)

Graphics card, hmmm.
Asuming you have 1 display, this will fullfill allot of your gaming needs.
Sapphire HD5830 Extreme 1GB (http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&psn=000101&pid=1153)
My Sapphire HD5670 1gb is pretty awesome, runs games like Crysis 2, GTA IV med/high settings.

Also, how much would you like to spend?

Anyways, get an ATI card, you can disable anti-alaising in GTA SA, and put it on in catalyst control centre, wich will improve the AA quality, and will be faster then normal AA from the game itself :D(but only at some games)
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Julio. on June 14, 2011, 08:27:33 pm: I changed my AA from 0 to x16 in Nvidia control panel and it doesnt look different lol.
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Jack Bauer on June 14, 2011, 09:00:21 pm: Nvidia =/= AMD(previously ATI)
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Julio. on June 14, 2011, 11:46:28 pm: Quote from: Jack Bauer on June 14, 2011, 09:00:21 pm
Nvidia =/= AMD(previously ATI)

WELL DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I didn't say it was :trust:
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Kessu on June 19, 2011, 02:00:56 pm: Quote from: joedaman633 on June 14, 2011, 08:27:33 pm
I changed my AA from 0 to x16 in Nvidia control panel and it doesnt look different lol.
Makes difference only with high res such as 1920x1080.

Quote from: Jack Bauer on June 14, 2011, 01:18:34 pm
Get a good PSU, atleast 600watt, do check what brand, dont get some cheapskate Trust.
OCZ, Cooler Master, Corsair, Thermaltake are kinda good.
Perhaps this (http://www.mycom.nl/Product/Componenten-Voeding/OCZ-StealthXStream-2-600WATT/288340)

Graphics card, hmmm.
Asuming you have 1 display, this will fullfill allot of your gaming needs.
Sapphire HD5830 Extreme 1GB (http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&psn=000101&pid=1153)
My Sapphire HD5670 1gb is pretty awesome, runs games like Crysis 2, GTA IV med/high settings.

Also, how much would you like to spend?

Anyways, get an ATI card, you can disable anti-alaising in GTA SA, and put it on in catalyst control centre, wich will improve the AA quality, and will be faster then normal AA from the game itself :D(but only at some games)

Please, if you have no idea, don't talk. I got myself 9800 GT + Phenom II X6 1055T @ 3.8 GHz and my 350W PSU is enough. 600W is an goddamn overreaction. As I said, you can use 400W Corsair but you don't need more unless if your going for nVidia SLi or ATi CrossfireX.

OCZ good PSU maker? Lemme laugh pls, haven't proven itself yet anywhere.

Get PSUs made by Seasonic (Corsair has PSUs made by Seasonic), they use the best components there is for PSUs compared to others.
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Julio. on June 19, 2011, 05:32:59 pm: I have a Nvidia GTX 280, and it is arguably the most Power Thirsty Card available.

It needs 40A on the 12V rail, and recommends a 500W PSU :o
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Kessu on June 19, 2011, 10:15:37 pm: Quote from: joedaman633 on June 19, 2011, 05:32:59 pm
I have a Nvidia GTX 280, and it is arguably the most Power Thirsty Card available.

It needs 40A on the 12V rail, and recommends a 500W PSU :o
GTX 280 Doesn't even require power if you compare it to GTX 480 / GTX 580. That's why I wouldn't go for nVidia, they eat way too much energy for the performance they give.

ATi eats the about 150W with normal gaming, hardcore gaming with extreme graphs may with luck take closer of 200W but anyways, 400W PSU is enough. Even for ONE GTX280/480/580.

A's are the ones that truly matter in PSUs, not the watts. My bros PSU has weaker A's than mine does, he has 620W PSU and I got 350W...
ggwp
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Julio. on June 21, 2011, 12:14:34 am: Quote from: Kessu on June 19, 2011, 10:15:37 pm
GTX 280 Doesn't even require power if you compare it to GTX 480 / GTX 580. That's why I wouldn't go for nVidia, they eat way too much energy for the performance they give.

ATi eats the about 150W with normal gaming, hardcore gaming with extreme graphs may with luck take closer of 200W but anyways, 400W PSU is enough. Even for ONE GTX280/480/580.

A's are the ones that truly matter in PSUs, not the watts. My bros PSU has weaker A's than mine does, he has 620W PSU and I got 350W...
ggwp

I noez its the Amps that matter the most.

Your bros got a cheap PSU :D
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Kessu on June 21, 2011, 10:04:44 am: Quote from: joedaman633 on June 21, 2011, 12:14:34 am
I noez its the Amps that matter the most.

Your bros got a cheap PSU :D
Why pay more than what you need? This one has been serving me well for 6 years now, not even once gave one *cough which would crash my PC. Unlike my friends superb PSU 800W which broke in less than two years...
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Hidduh on August 01, 2011, 08:40:53 pm: Bump.

Apparently I need a better graphics card to properly run GTA:IV without lag, still haven't made my mind up.. Suggestions are always welcome.

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Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Aimzz on August 01, 2011, 09:02:21 pm: The CPU is kinda on the edge imo...I would suggest a 6950/6970 (ATI) or 560/570 (Nvidia) Best budget cards today I believe, I also have a 6950 and I get an average FPS of 66.85 with all settings maxed but you should keep in mind that games like GTA IV requires alot from the CPU..
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Hidduh on August 01, 2011, 10:35:15 pm: If I get the 6950/6970 you suggested, do I need anything else like a new power supply?
Title: Re: Upgrading my pc - any recommendations?
Post by: Enzo Adinolfi on August 02, 2011, 07:33:30 am: Quote from: Todor on June 08, 2011, 11:54:12 pm
What I recommend you buy are the following:

Corsair TX-650 Power supply which can be found here:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/650W+or+less/650W+Corsair+TX650+V2+ATX2.3+SLI%2FCrossfire+Compliant+Power+Supply+?productId=43905 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/650W+or+less/650W+Corsair+TX650+V2+ATX2.3+SLI%2FCrossfire+Compliant+Power+Supply+?productId=43905)

And depending on your case, whether it's well ventilated or not either this GTX 560:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/NVIDIA/NVIDIA+GTX+560+Series/EVGA+GeForce+GTX+560+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+%5B01G-P3-1460-KR%5D+?productId=44793 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/NVIDIA/NVIDIA+GTX+560+Series/EVGA+GeForce+GTX+560+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+%5B01G-P3-1460-KR%5D+?productId=44793)

Or this one:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/NVIDIA/NVIDIA+GTX+560+Series/MSI+GeForce+GTX+560Ti+Twin+FrozR+II+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+?productId=44470 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/NVIDIA/NVIDIA+GTX+560+Series/MSI+GeForce+GTX+560Ti+Twin+FrozR+II+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+?productId=44470)

I can assure you with this graphics card you will be able to run ANY game at ANY resolution and ANY settings. If it's beyond your budget tell me and I'll figure something else out for you ;) If you're interested in overclocking give me a shout as well so I can recommend you a decent cooler ( I suspect you're using the stock INTEL heatsink? ).

You mad? Why the fuck is there need to waste such amount of money for buying a Corsair PSU. LC Power Super Silent 6600 is better. (Tested on i7-980, GTX 580, Mushkin Ridgeback, WD Caviar blue) And Hidduh rig's is not that bad.

Since you're using first generation of Intel Core processor on socket 1156, I'd overclock that processor a bit, Also I'd sell shit AMD Graphics, and buy nVidia one GTX 460-580