Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Leroy on June 09, 2011, 12:38:42 am
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Now that RS5 will be coming up next, we should try populate other Cities more, such as Las Venturas, San Fierro, even Countrysides such as Whetstone, Red County, Bone County and Tierra Robada. It would be interesting to see everyone's ideas on this too.
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I find Los Santos more interesting than the rest, I don't know why.
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Baby boom!
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Everyone should choose the city they wish to live.. If they find Los Santos better or easier to accomplish their stuff, they will live in Los Santos, and so on...
I understand your concern about Los Santos being over-populated, but you could try some roleplay ideas to attract citizens. :)
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Agreed, Leroy. I am sick of LS and would love to see a 100 people in LV :D
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We have several plans for making the people use all cities :)
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I like this idea! Almost everyone are in Los Santos. Would like to see people everywhere
/Ravi
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Increase property values in LS and decrease them outside LS
Immediate shift outside the cities
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I just love San Fierro.
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Increase property values in LS and decrease them outside LS
Immediate shift outside the cities
Exactly. Make the other cities the beginning of the stair walk and LS the end.
Perhaps people will even love to be outside of LS.
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Exactly. Make the other cities the beginning of the stair walk and LS the end.
Perhaps people will even love to be outside of LS.
What good will that do if the people choose to hang around LSPD,City Hall,GS9,Grove street,and many other god forsaken places even if they dont own them.
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Hi,
Just to let you know, the incentive to move to other cities has been in effect for a while, in the form of lower base and area prices(for houses/businesses). Must say that I love the houses in LV to all other places, I myself have my house in LV.
Can discuss how you believe you can promote other places - what types of things you think can attract people there. And please don't say 'cheaper area prices' it already is fair as it is :)
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I had plans about populating Las Venturas, but unfortunatley Cutter blew my plans apart..
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Build a custom set of houses somewhere nicely in San Fierro and it will get populated ASAP.
I just love San Fierro.
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If there would be a proper goverment system... with real mayors, would help a lot.
If somebody choosen to a mayor.. he/she must attract the players to live in his city.. with organising legal events and such.
eg: when i want some population in LV, i open a restaurant at the pirate ship which is an opened place (not interior), i hire bodyguards, kitchen workers and waiters.. i contact to the LVPD to patrol in the area.. and suddenly LV strip has 10 -15 players.. i give advertisements to spend a night in LV and visit my restaurant and more people comming as customers... even the criminals get attracted with trying to rob my place :D
Imo such events are the key to build the population of a city.
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Exactly. Make the other cities the beginning of the stair walk and LS the end.
Perhaps people will even love to be outside of LS.
Houses outside SF are already 40% cheaper (we were told that).
Something I've noticed lately it was that when a newbie joins the server he'll try find hotspots.. If you REALLY want other cities populated, don't leave the city at all :razz:
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Yes I would also like other cities to be populated.. Maybe we should start using tax? :lol:
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I support vice's mayor system actually..actually it has a shitload of potential...
Mayor of LS, Mayor of SF, Mayor of LV
(Red county comes in LS, flint in SF and tierra and bone in LV)
And the mayor's job wont be to promote people to shift there alone..maybe they can have a whole office?
Mayor appoints people to jobs such as tourism events and such to attract people...
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Hmm, as Dolfa said it would be cool to have some scripted houses at San Fierro, and not too expensive. :D
We could add them at cool places like houses at hills, or dunno we can find it. :)
I just love San Fierro.
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Now that RS5 will be coming up next week,
Where does it say next week? :D And yeah, I agree.
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I think adding new scripted jobs to thoose empty places should solve this.
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I think adding new scripted jobs to thoose empty places should solve this.
Won't help. People will go to the other city, farm a bit for money and return to LS.
I say make houses in urban areas %300 more expensive than businesses and houses in deserts or small towns. Also the small towns need to have a full set of services so people actually stay there without the need to go to the big city. Make them somewhat autonomic.
Returning to the jobs suggestion, maybe player-organized actions involving co-operation (or competition) between small towns would do something good. But definitely not money-farming job scripts.
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Now that RS5 will be coming up next
I wish....
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Something I noticed too - a lot of people particularly huddled in LS, often Pershing Square.
Would be cool to see people spread out across the map. I personally have my property in LV. :P
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Having a property outside LS is irrelevant to actually playing in LS.
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Make this way:
If you get a payday in SF or LV, it increases the ammount by 100% :rofl: People love the cash
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San Fierro is already populated by Ancelotti, Gvardia and SFPD. I can't say I havn't seen Diablos in a while, where did they go?
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What good will that do if the people choose to hang around LSPD,City Hall,GS9,Grove street,and many other god forsaken places even if they dont own them.
That's the problem. Perhaps we should establish another hotspots in SF and LV.
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Yes a hotspot in SF would sound awesome, but what kind of and where :neutral:
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SF and LV both need population but SF still has lots of activity and still alive..LV whereas has less activity that a deserted town so first actions should be for LV then SF
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For my part, I have my cathedral in SF, but I find myself having to do all church events in Jefferson, because of the attitude "OMG I don't want to go all the way to SF...".
It's the same problem as drivers who ask you "where is that?" when you give them the name of a place. I asked to get to Prickle Pine, and the driver was, "WTF?".
I'm sure there's some correlation between time spent in single player and movement and knowledge around other cities...
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I'm pretty sure Veterans remember the /loan Command when RS3 came out, we could have some sort of system equal to that, The command would only allow you to use the "credit" to buy a bizz, we could do it so that the command would only allow you to buy a bizz or House in SF or LV, that way, more people will go there, And we could have a little extra time to pay it, or make it monthly or weekly fees depending on the house/bizz price.
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SF is considerably more active than the countryside and LV so I don't see SF being a population problem. All of the official businesses and the decent housing in SF has been taking up which suggests it is not a majorly deserted zone. Focus on LV & The LS/LV countryside.
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San Fierro is just fine.
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Want people in LV? Start off by moving there yourself. Players look for other players, if they see a considerable amount of people in LV, they start going there by themselves as well.
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Las Venturas is used only for casinos. And there's few people.. Even Dillimore has more visitors
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I think a good way to develop this idea is to simply make houses cheaper in the countryside and increase prices in the cities. Its realistic yet it meets the objectives of OP.
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Los Santos - The city for the street gangs.
Las Venturas - The city for the rich people and casino owners
San Fierro - Rich gangs, rich people, the city with oppertunity.
Flint County, Red County and Whetstone - Farmers, also people who want to remain hidden.
Bone County - The desert, random people.
Sort this up, everyone select they city after their goal in the game, people doing the choice and let them do it. House is already for sale and Angel Pine will not get populated as Richman for exemple. Leave it as it's, no need for a change.
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As Janek said...a lot of people know Los Santos better than any other city because of single-player, so feel more comfortable there.
I'm sure I could get the Mayor of Palomino Creek promoting the countryside a little, because I like the idea of populating other cities.
Tbh, however, Los Santos has always seemed the best city to drive round in, though driving down the hills in San Fierro is also pretty cool...maybe if the majority of events were in SF and LV, like the DD's and stuff are, it would inspire people to move to them.
With proper Mayors for each city, we could do guided tours of the tourist attractions in them, with the help of the Mayors of the smaller towns, who may have a better knowledge of the countryside around the city :D
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As Janek said...a lot of people know Los Santos better than any other city because of single-player, so feel more comfortable there.
I wouldn't see the other cities as a problem, of course they feel more comfortable in the Los Santos area due to that the single player starts there. But don't forget that later on you travel to other cities and countys aswell.
One good thing that I got thaught when I was new that I got thaught the map out and in by Gvardia. They much learned me every single area in a city.
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It's the same problem as drivers who ask you "where is that?" when you give them the name of a place. I asked to get to Prickle Pine, and the driver was, "WTF?".
That should give you an idea Janek - start a treasure hunt event. The first leg of the race - find a golf kart from prickle pine!
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I think a good way to develop this idea is to simply make houses cheaper in the countryside and increase prices in the cities. Its realistic yet it meets the objectives of OP.
They've already done that. Raising the property value in the cities wouldn't and hasn't helped at all.
People just like LS, it's by far the most detailed and well thought out city in the game.
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They've already done that. Raising the property value in the cities wouldn't and hasn't help at all.
People just like LS, it's by far the most detailed and well thought out city in the game.
It may be a perspective thing Squak :D
I find LS to be a cyberspaced concrete jungle. LV & Bayside, according to me is more thought out and well planned with lovely houses and buildings. Some others may feel that SF is most awesome.
The only reason why people stick in LS is because other people stick in LS - it is a vicious cycle which can be changed if a few of you take the right initiative. And if you succeed the locked, hidden potential of other cities can be brought to life.
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Want people in LV? Start off by moving there yourself. Players look for other players, if they see a considerable amount of people in LV, they start going there by themselves as well.
Put Jubin on strip and there gona be daily activity by 10 people,camping around him :lol:
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Honestly, if there can be 100+ people at one dump, there surely can be some at Bayside, or other parts like that (without organising an event).
We can atleast be happy that there is nobody afk-chilling at GS9 anymore.
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Been there, done that. San Fierro and Las Venturas movements have been attempted numerous times in the past year or two. As you can see, it didn't help much.
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We should at least try. Listing the differences between Los Santos and other Cities, then trying to bring them to an equal level as much as possible.
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We should at least try. Listing the differences between Los Santos and other Cities, then trying to bring them to an equal level as much as possible.
Should at least try? Do you even know how many people that have tried?
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Should at least try? Do you even know how many people that have tried?
We should immigrate with everybody online to SF and LV :D
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Should at least try? Do you even know how many people that have tried?
Yes, and does giving up help? No.
Counting our failures will not aid success.
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We have several plans for making the people use all cities :)
If you stay in LS for over 10 minutes, your screen will be spammed with "ERROR 0000001" :rules:
If there would be a proper goverment system... with real mayors, would help a lot.
If somebody choosen to a mayor.. he/she must attract the players to live in his city.. with organising legal events and such.
Agreed. It's amazing what one determined executive can do for an Agency or a location.
Perhaps if something very interesting was put in Area 69 (not the jetpack), plenty of people would immigrate to the surrounding districts, meaning the entire north...
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We can atleast be happy that there is nobody afk-chilling at GS9 anymore.
Why you are sad when people chilling/afk at GS9?
No one force you to be there and join them :(
To topic:What's wrong for player to packed at LS? :(
Why disperse player even there're only 120players?
If I want to migrate away from LS,I will only when GS9 was moved to LV/SF :D
I think that adding more features,not only growing spot can encourage
But Is it necessary?
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I just want to know this, since 3/4 of the map is abandoned. If a group decides to occupy a small part of the map ie Prickle Pine.. is it classified as 'your town'. So you can ban people from entering that part of the map etcc? If thats the case, this would probably reduce the population in all three cities so groups got their own real turf.
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Montgomery got it all covered! We got Pizza stack for those hungry men and women, we got Ammunations for those weapon freaks, we got a Gas Station for those speed freaks, and AoD got you covered on the drinks! Montgomery is a quiet town with lots of good quality housing!
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Montgomery got it all covered! We got Pizza stack for those hungry men and women, we got Ammunations for those weapon freaks, we got a Gas Station for those speed freaks, and AoD got you covered on the drinks! Montgomery is a quiet town with lots of good quality housing!
We can say the same about Palomino Creek! I think there's only 2-3 houses that are for sale (unowned). :)
Exception is we don't have a gas station. :(
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Put Jubin on strip and there gona be daily activity by 10 people,camping around him :lol:
Too generous, but thanks anyway. At least I am not bringing attention to LS, but Flint County.
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Funny that when Me, Romeo, Pablo, and few more individuals was giving actual suggestions , plans, and ideas, most of people on this topic who're now 'omg lets populate other cities', took a big shit back then.
Now that we actually made most of San Fierro populated, after 3 years of hard working, now you got the idea into your head.
Well sure, try it, but not in San Fierro, where there's already everything developed, go try it in Las Venturas, in Fort Carson, in Angel Pine, in Blueberry, yeah go start from scratches, like we had to, while most people who posted on this topic, was shitting on us, in the same time.
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I love seeing in San Fierro police situations generally because it makes the city more "alive" if anyone understands me.
The police situations like raids into bars in large-supposed to be-areas are great fun to watch when people swarm in to attempt to roleplay aswell.
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I just want to know this, since 3/4 of the map is abandoned. If a group decides to occupy a small part of the map ie Prickle Pine.. is it classified as 'your town'. So you can ban people from entering that part of the map etcc? If thats the case, this would probably reduce the population in all three cities so groups got their own real turf.
On RP bounds yeah, you can ban some people and all do some RP and shit but you cant pass the limits..you cant DM and shit.
"No forced RP"
So if stracci hates gvardia then rpily they will fight the gvardia when they come to their small deserted town, but if the gvardia wanna chill there they cant force them to leave either
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Remember when LSPD and LVPD entrance wasn't working? Everyone moved to SF for the day and it was actually really fun... and different. So many people in San Fierro was scary, but there are so many different things it's nice to have a change for a while.
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Reason why Los Santos is populated because it brings back the gang culture which is infact the storyline of the game in singleplayer. And indeed you do spend quite alot of time in Los Santos as CJ.
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Reason why Los Santos is populated because it brings back the gang culture which is infact the storyline of the game in singleplayer. And indeed you do spend quite alot of time in Los Santos as CJ.
And Is is More Classic Fo' Gangs But For Lv Or Sf I would Say Its A MAfia Place Not Fo' A Gangs "Thats Ma Opinion"
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And Is is More Classic Fo' Gangs But For Lv Or Sf I would Say Its A MAfia Place Not Fo' A Gangs "Thats Ma Opinion"
can you stop talking like that really... it can't be how you were taught english... unless you do not even know why you use apostrophes and A Capital Letter in Each Thing You Say . . .
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Funny that when Me, Romeo, Pablo, and few more individuals was giving actual suggestions , plans, and ideas, most of people on this topic who're now 'omg lets populate other cities', took a big shit back then.
Now that we actually made most of San Fierro populated, after 3 years of hard working, now you got the idea into your head.
Well sure, try it, but not in San Fierro, where there's already everything developed, go try it in Las Venturas, in Fort Carson, in Angel Pine, in Blueberry, yeah go start from scratches, like we had to, while most people who posted on this topic, was shitting on us, in the same time.
QFT
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The reason Los Santos is morei nteresting is because the suspects hang around it - reason: Cops mainly use LSPD, and of course they want to be chased for fun....
I think if the cops moved out, so would everyone else.
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*New Player registered*
NewGuy: where is all????
OldPlayer: Los Santos
OldPlayer2: come lspd
*Another New Player registered*
NewGuy: where buy health!! plz help!
OldPlayer: Idlewood pizza los santos
*New Player gets "stuck" in the LV Desert*
NewGuy: plz someone help me!! i in middle nowhere!
OldPlayer: use /taxi and wait
Taxi Required | Caller: NewGuy(14) | Location: Bone County, Las Venturas
*le 10 minutes passed*
NewGuy: plz come!!! :@
OldPlayer2: nobody is bothered to come to LV lol, just /resetspawn in LS next time so you spawn there when you die
NewGuy: ok thx!
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All stated reasons combined actually, but the main reason is what Trane gave example of.
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Trane is correct.
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The reason Los Santos is morei nteresting is because the suspects hang around it - reason: Cops mainly use LSPD, and of course they want to be chased for fun....
I think if the cops moved out, so would everyone else.
That wouldent help, it would make LS a paradise for Criminals.
The only way to move to another city is to close down the others, remove houses and businesses and shit, then people would move :P
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When the RS5 will come ? be more specific
I personaly like LV because is nice and you can have fun there :) a lot of casino's and more interesting things.
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There have been attempts at populating other cities before. Guess what - Los Santos remains the hub of most of the activity in Argonath. There are groups scattered around San Andreas like Gvardia in SF and .......... nothing in LV or the counties.
Los Santos is based off of Los Angeles, one of the most interesting cities in the world. There are PLENTY of places to roleplay: Ganton for negro street gangs, East LS/El Corona for latino gangs, Downtown LS for businessmen, Rodeo for your typical suburban life et cetera.
Population of LS: Most of the newbies, a large amount of cops, gangs and criminals looking for a chase/shootout - constant activity.
San Fierro is just full of shitty roads and completely bland architecture. You couldn't really roleplay anything there even if you tried (herr i am mafia look at me our mafia are the only ppl in this town we control it :D)
Population of SF: Gvardia and a handful of cops.
Las Venturas has been used for casinos and that's the only good thing that LV has. It's basically a desert area, the architecture is bland and unappealing like SF. You have the Strip and craptons of white suburban areas - it leaves little for street gangs to go on.
Population of LV: SWAT
The numerous Hicksvilles scattered around the counties - They're way too small for anyone to even consider staying there all the time. There's no hope for the small towns.
Population of Hicksvilles: Criminals waiting to get unsuspected, kidnappers
If there's a large amount of people in only one city (say, 120 people in LS) instead of everyone spread around San Andreas (60 in LS, 30 in SF, 20 in LV, 10 in the counties) it makes the server feel a lot more alive. I can honestly say that most of Argonath's players would prefer one large, alive city than a big number of ghost towns.
It's extremely nice to keep on talking about how 'I wish there were more people in x' but I bet most of you would still spend a large chunk of your time dicking around Los Santos like you do now.
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Have to agree there with Trane and Oliver.Sad but true.
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I can honestly say that most of Argonath's players would prefer one large, alive city
[citation needed].
But you're right, LS is the most colourful city, in a meaning that LS has a bit of everything and that's why (but not being the only reason why) many players decided to stay, SF is dull while LV has got almost only casinos/hotels and is expensive as fuck.
Small towns could be attractive if it wasn't the fact that they lack of almost everything that a big city has, which forces them to go to the big cities anyway. Since they're small, you wouldn't need as much people to populate it as the big cities (LS, SF, LV).
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Well all, what about setting more houses buyable in SF/LV/anywhere else because for example, I was searching for a nice house in SF but the ones that were buyable are owned. Just an example.
Hello you must be new to Argonath RPG :hah:
Anything that's a house is buyable as a house, you just need a property admin to set it if it's not set already. There's no sense in pre-setting places if no one is going to use them anyway.
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Los Santos - The city for the street gangs.
Las Venturas - The city for the rich people and casino owners
San Fierro - Rich gangs, rich people, the city with oppertunity.
Flint County, Red County and Whetstone - Farmers, also people who want to remain hidden.
Bone County - The desert, random people.
Sort this up, everyone select they city after their goal in the game, people doing the choice and let them do it. House is already for sale and Angel Pine will not get populated as Richman for exemple. Leave it as it's, no need for a change.
Heard of Richman/Mulholland? actully LS is the city for rich people, ( famous for Hollywood, ect... )
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People just need to realise that they can use different places for their roleplay instead of staying in one place all the time.
And with this I don't mean they should change their homes or something, but that they should explore the map a little better and try to use it more. I know many locations that could be used for roleplay that no one ever uses. Just go to Tierra Robada/Bone County and you will find alot of places who are good.
And to populate other cities, host events create roleplays there and the cities will be alive.
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Heard of Richman/Mulholland? actully LS is the city for rich people, ( famous for Hollywood, ect... )
SF is.
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SF is boring as shit, only tall buildings, boring streets etc
LV is a place to hide out when SWAT is gone, mostly casinos and boring places.
LS is quite fun but a little boring aswell, sometimes it's too crowded..
I myself prefer the country side, i love the roads there, perfect for me and my iron horse :D
On the country side, you can walk over the road without getting ran down by a car or get robbed by gangsters :lol:
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SF is boring as shit, only tall buildings, boring streets etc
LV is a place to hide out when SWAT is gone, mostly casinos and boring places.
LS is quite fun but a little boring aswell, sometimes it's too crowded..
I myself prefer the country side, i love the roads there, perfect for me and my iron horse :D
On the country side, you can walk over the road without getting ran down by a car or get robbed by gangsters :lol:
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Heard of Richman/Mulholland? actully LS is the city for rich people, ( famous for Hollywood, ect... )
Vinewood also.
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I've actually got a very good project ahead of me. Just waiting for summer so I am back to fully activity since I really need to focus on other stuff now and SA is not my priority. Aside that, wouldn't it be great if we can actually block LS for atleast 3 days. This means any way of entering LS is blocked. Even when with Maverick you bump into an imaginary wall same with boat. Just abandon LS for a few days and lets see what people will do.
This may sound like forced roleplay but its just narrow down what does LS do to drag people back.
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Heard of Richman/Mulholland? actully LS is the city for rich people, ( famous for Hollywood, ect... )
Still gang city.
LV is the place for rich people, SF aswell but there is also gangs there.
I agree with Skan, the country side is awesome. I prefer Blueberry to be honest, no annoying cops, no annoying citizens, no bad drivers etc etc. It's calm and you can do whatever you want there.
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San Fierro is quite for me and cool,we must keep grow mafias there ;),also there are so many secrets that LS
LS is dangerous like shit.
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From my point of view it seems pretty dumb to speak about which city is meant for which type of people.
I personally have always preferred Los Santos just because it has all kinds of regions to set RP's at. I will always prefer it.
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I personally have always preferred Los Santos just because it has all kinds of regions to set RP's at.
This is why players prefer LS, because of its variety. Not only do you have commercial, urban, and suburban settings, but you also have casinos, luxury villas, hotels, sewers, industrial districts, basically almost everything except desert, snowland, and mountains can be found in LS.
The problem is that SF and LV lack the same variety, compared to LS.
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This case has been up even since RS2, and still no real solution. Perhaps there is none?
I mean, its LOS ANGELES man. Only a few people would prefer another city, so. I'd say don't bother trying anymore. I'm residing at SF but, Los Santos is the real shit.
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Now that RS5 will be coming up next, we should try populate other Cities more, such as Las Venturas, San Fierro, even Countrysides such as Whetstone, Red County, Bone County and Tierra Robada. It would be interesting to see everyone's ideas on this too.
Hihi.
Stracci -> Bone County
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Hihi.
Stracci -> Bone County
i thought u was high when u called me sayin bone count / red county iron shield..lol seems not.
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A solution is to create something of great interest away from Los Santos... Mordor and Disneyland are cool and interesting maps, yet it is not enough.
Maybe if the Developers moved a vital aspect of the players' lives from LS into the badlands, something would change...
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There is alot of Movement in Palomino Creek.I also moved there and Some of the i9 guys. Some unowned houses left :D so go grab them!
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Move GS9 to the mountain at fort carson and things will change :D
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Move GS9 to the mountain at fort carson and things will change :D
Role-play has been pretty much outside of GS9, Chuck.
It's normal that when a figure like Frank Hawk goes absent, people will start moving on.
To be honest, I can't think of a place where you could say 'DM zone' like most of people said regarding the GS9. Hell, even the LSPD is calm now, as I've witnessed while waiting for fares at the City Hall.
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Like Que said, LS is way more interesting.
>El Corona - Hispanic RP
>East Los Santos, Glen Park, Idlewood, Ganton - Black Male RP aka Guetto.
>Skate Park
>Basketball field.
>Mulholland, Richman, Verdant Bluffs > Mafia Roleplay.
>LSPD
>Airport
>Best business
So basically you can Roleplay whatever the fuck you want within Los Santos, that's why it is the main choise of the players, but move to other cities would be cool, for example Gvardia & Ancelotti, they are SF natural and they basically have to RP between them only, and if they want to RP with other players they will have to move to LS.
Same goes for the PD's, SFPD & LVPD are mostly used only when a suspect flews from LS...
So, there is good points in stay at LS(best for differents RP's) and move from it(giving other PD's and Faction more RP's).
I guess what you guys have to do is wait for RS5.
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There is alot of Movement in Palomino Creek.I also moved there and Some of the i9 guys. Some unowned houses left :D so go grab them!
Woohoo, more minions for me!
Mayor of Palomino Creek <: D
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Palomino Creek has already been populated a lot years ago, when we moved in with [ALS].
But really those populate other cities stuff is completely useless, been tried many time and failed every single time again.
We dont have enough players to keep a great RP up in all cities around. Ls will always be most populated so perhaps you will get a few people gone but thats not good enough for a good RP.