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Title: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2011, 05:27:30 pm
Wednesday 07.13.2011 21.30 CET

official clans meeting...
Invited leaders and members:

1. Rock Stars clan
2. TeaM clan
3. Argonath Veterans clan
4. The Crimson Legacy clan
5. White Shadows clan

The target of meeting:

To clear out the position of Argonath HQ, to clear out the relations between official clans, for some of members - to get knowledges about official clans institute...

The meeting will be hold on Argonath chat...

Official clans do post this invitation on your clan forums...
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Paco on July 11, 2011, 05:42:24 pm
When you talk about Leaders and Members, do you mean everyone single member that is in the clan?
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2011, 05:45:21 pm
When you talk about Leaders and Members, do you mean everyone single member that is in the clan?

Every single member who is interested in this meeting...
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2011, 05:46:36 pm
Yes and I would like leaders of official clans to post this invitation on their clans forums...
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Ben. on July 11, 2011, 05:46:58 pm
ThePenguin's clan should be official ;)
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2011, 05:48:21 pm
ThePenguin's clan should be official ;)

It is not a topic of suggestions, so please do not go off-topic here...
This topic is about exact event and is not under discussions...
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: newton_alex on July 11, 2011, 05:49:30 pm
Does that mean the argonath chat is out of bounds at that time?
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Ben. on July 11, 2011, 05:50:21 pm
I like how noone can take a joke anymore  :roll:
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2011, 05:51:49 pm
Does that mean the argonath chat is out of bounds at that time?

All clans members presenting in chat will get the private invitation
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Aragorn on July 11, 2011, 05:53:35 pm
I like how noone can take a joke anymore  :roll:
Joke is good when it is in correct time and place...
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: DellStorm on July 11, 2011, 06:01:08 pm
To ArgonathRPG official clan members:

Please make sure you give yourself plenty of time to take part in the meeting.

Regards, DellStorm
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Manoleas on July 11, 2011, 11:17:32 pm
I will be there.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 11, 2011, 11:59:46 pm
Will be there!
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: ~Legend~ on July 12, 2011, 12:16:49 am
Sounds very interesting.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Dorg on July 12, 2011, 01:42:07 am
I'll be there as current WS SA:MP Division Leader
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Rare on July 13, 2011, 09:28:31 am
I would like to take part in this so yes I am coming!
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Mr.Joker on July 13, 2011, 09:43:12 am
Well, I guess I'll be there if im not soo stoned. :lol:
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Leroy on July 13, 2011, 08:33:59 pm
Well, I guess I'll be there if im not soo stoned. :lol:

The Jokers prank gas?


/me Puts batman suit on.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Tovenaarke on July 13, 2011, 09:12:28 pm
Can we please make the meeting short, to the point and without to much bla bla? I'm realing pushing my body to be there, as I need to work at 5 am tomorrow...

WS Will be persent!
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Manoleas on July 13, 2011, 11:58:29 pm
I got confused by the time :S
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Paco on July 14, 2011, 12:24:50 am
I got confused by the time :S

Me too, meeting was 21:30 CET which means 22:30 here... -.- And when I came they had already started for one hour ago, though I manged to get into the official part :P
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Boozman on July 14, 2011, 12:45:23 am
Sorry, I was unable to attend due to some real life issues.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Gandalf on July 14, 2011, 01:02:21 am
Some main points for official clans to notice :

1. Official clans support the Argonath community
2. Official clan should not have as members those players who are Community banned
3. Official clan has all rights and support to be a part of Argonath games developing including Counter Strike and games that we do not yet support
4. Official clan can be a part of developing of ANY game server under Argonath host

As the leadership of White Shadows as not present (only the division of SA:MP) we expect their answer especially regarding point 1 and 2. If they agree with this policy they will remain as official clan, if the leadership insists on having divisions where community banned members are free to stay they will be removed from official clans.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Brokman on July 14, 2011, 01:26:48 pm
Excuse me for my absence to this meeting, the 13/14 July night/day is French's national day, that is why I couldn't came personaly to this meeting.


The White Shadows clan support the ArgonathRPG community and wish to take part to ArgonathRPG's projects and to build things together.

The White Shadows clan previously put his members banned from ArgonathRPG community "on hold" until their unban or gave them personal punishment reguarding this one. Considering point 2, the White Shadows Clan agree with ArgonathRPG's terms reguarding official clans and wont keep in his community as member people banned from ArgonathRPG community.

The White Shadows clan does plan to expend and to develop on different games, feel free to check our forum where are announced/listed all divisions and all new divisions we are building. If the ArgonathRPG community's leadership is interested about the developpement on a game/platform that the ArgonathRPG community's is absent feel free to contact a part of the White Shadows clan's leadership to discuss about it.

The White Shadows clan is already developped on sevral game servers under Argonath host such as VC:MP, SA:MP and IV:MP and would expend on other ones that Argonath is hosting or will host with pleasure.


The White Shadows Clan Leadership,
Brokman, WS Leader.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 14, 2011, 03:37:43 pm
Dear Gandalf, but more importantly, Aragorn,

I'm writing this not on behalf of the White Shadows clan, but as an IV:MP admin and regular on ArgonathRPG. Please don't confuse the two on this occasion.

The White Shadows clan was warned for "shitting on the ArgonathRPG Leadership" (or something along the lines of that). Whether this was done by guests of the forum or members of the clan is unimportant. The discussion whether the warn was valid or invalid is also redundant for this matter.

I was not present during the Officials Clans Meeting, but I have read the logs (at least the first part, which was mostly about the White Shadows clan). Like I mentioned before, the clan was warned for "shitting". However, during the meeting there were several users, and I won't say any names here, that were saying bad things about the clan and it's founder. May it be true, may it be false, a clan that has been warned  - for something equal to the behaviour and attitude of these individuals during the meeting -  should not be flamed upon, while the two leaders of the community were both present.

This was the only note I'd like to make.


Signed,
Thomas_C
IV:MP admin
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Gandalf on July 14, 2011, 04:19:53 pm
Dear Gandalf, but more importantly, Aragorn,

I'm writing this not on behalf of the White Shadows clan, but as an IV:MP admin and regular on ArgonathRPG. Please don't confuse the two on this occasion.

The White Shadows clan was warned for "shitting on the ArgonathRPG Leadership" (or something along the lines of that). Whether this was done by guests of the forum or members of the clan is unimportant. The discussion whether the warn was valid or invalid is also redundant for this matter.

I was not present during the Officials Clans Meeting, but I have read the logs (at least the first part, which was mostly about the White Shadows clan). Like I mentioned before, the clan was warned for "shitting". However, during the meeting there were several users, and I won't say any names here, that were saying bad things about the clan and it's founder. May it be true, may it be false, a clan that has been warned  - for something equal to the behaviour and attitude of these individuals during the meeting -  should not be flamed upon, while the two leaders of the community were both present.

This was the only note I'd like to make.


Signed,
Thomas_C
IV:MP admin
Dear Thomas_C

As we have read your private comments as well as the reaction from Winters, it is clear that the White Shadows clan is curently divided in to a groupt aht is loyal to Argonath and supports, and a group that considers Argonath a liability to the devlopment of the clan.
This became VERY clear during the meeting where both current and former members made it clear that several people in the leadership of White Shadows have a negative opinion on Argonath and its community.

Following further comments we believe it is best to remove the official status from White Shadows until a time that there will be a clear situation within the clan itself. We are aware that White Shadows has a good number of active members who are loyal to Argonath, however at the same time among the leardership there is a negative attitude that is prevalent, which is causing the clan to embarras the loyal members time and time again.

If the White Shadows clan leadership decides it wishes to remain together they can do so as free clan, to be official we need the support of ALL leaders.

I am sure that this might be seen by the leadership as "involvement" to which my answer is that they are correct. We wish our official clans to be more than friends between each other, we wish them to be friends and supportive of the Argonath communites from top to bottom. Without this support, we can not allow an official status for ANY clan.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Winters on July 14, 2011, 04:41:28 pm
As we have read your private comments as well as the reaction from Winters, it is clear that the White Shadows clan is curently divided in to a groupt aht is loyal to Argonath and supports, and a group that considers Argonath a liability to the devlopment of the clan.

I'd like to apologize for not attending the meeting as I was working and could therefore not make it. Second, I'd like to know who told you about that, since I've never said anything in public. I did say some negative things about Argonath, but it was my own opinion and had nothing to do with the clan whatsoever. I still would like to know who told you about that, since it's really frustrating if you can't post on a forum in a certain section without people snitching everywhere.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Gandalf on July 14, 2011, 04:56:36 pm
I'd like to apologize for not attending the meeting as I was working and could therefore not make it. Second, I'd like to know who told you about that, since I've never said anything in public. I did say some negative things about Argonath, but it was my own opinion and had nothing to do with the clan whatsoever. I still would like to know who told you about that, since it's really frustrating if you can't post on a forum in a certain section without people snitching everywhere.
You are always welcome to say your opinion, but if you say things while being in the lead, you should understand that the opinion of a leader is counting more heavy. After all the leaders determine the course and future of the organization, which is why their opinion is more valuable as those of members.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 14, 2011, 05:01:48 pm
It's sometimes hard to keep control over your emotions and remind yourself that you should be an authoritarian.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Winters on July 14, 2011, 05:10:02 pm
You are always welcome to say your opinion, but if you say things while being in the lead, you should understand that the opinion of a leader is counting more heavy. After all the leaders determine the course and future of the organization, which is why their opinion is more valuable as those of members.

Of course, but keep in mind that I'm probably not the only one thinking like this. Still, I kind of disagree with the last part, since we listen just as much to the opinion of a leadership member as a regular member's opinion. But anyway Gandalf, I'm not gonna keep you busy anymore. Thanks for your reply. ;)
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: ~Legend~ on July 14, 2011, 06:53:58 pm
On the note of the White Shadows Leaders/Co-Leaders, the current ones that are present in the clan have never said anything to disregard the loyal divisions that operate on any of Argonath's servers, and even if they feel certain servers aren't as much in line with the Argonath Vision as they should be (like many experienced members of the community; times change, so it is understandable, guess that doesn't mean it is a bad change though :)), they have always supported active members and provided us/them with resources to further develop events, activities and projects that exist. Argonath still plays a very important role for us, and we have never hoped to throw that away.

I think Ronnel/RON yourselves have said that maybe the community on SA:MP, for example, is not as well as it could be - in turn, others are supporting that view and especially those that have been with the community for many years. They don't mean harm.
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Aragorn on July 14, 2011, 07:56:33 pm
Dear WS members/leaders

I not way said a word that WS clan is shitting and a clan of shitters... And the meeting itself cleared up the situation... At least what was cleared between owners and presented WS members...

From this I do suppose that inside WS clan between some of its members is going private talk about my person with the turning upside down my words... This can come ONLY from disrespect towards Argonath ownership and untrust to Argonath owners, who gave you, WS, the official status which has no logic then at all...

I do aware about former/inactive WS members who still do shit me behind my back, as I also know this people the same time were running to me with unban requests as good old friends... this showwed me that part of WS clan members do play unfair politics games, using WS clan forum for unpunished actions...

I for one the last time can tell you - I do have friends in WS clan and a lot of players of WS are supported by me and my relations... The same time I do feel them treating me with the respect to our work we do...

The comments about my inactivity were a total fake accusations... I was not jumping in and out I was simply inactive due to my real life... Still I did not stop Argonath, did not threw it into the trash and did not threw any of its members... No any server or site or any other things were closed, not payed or whatever...

So you do accuse me that I was inactive the same time you did accused me that I was putting my nose inside your clan forums... Logic is out of logic, sorry for my Russian... You do not like that I am inactive and as soon as I do activities to clear up the community stuff and positions you still do not like...

We set the statements on clans meetings as we saw that some of official clans have no any f**king idea what is it to be official clan... And used rank of being official just for gaining members... Accepting the community banned people was actually against the Community policy... Now I hope it is clear...

WS always had my silent support... It means that I gave prioritets to the clan members for administrating the servers and chances to solve the issues against clan members... Its simple, if anyone will tell me "you friend is cheater", of cos I will not believe it, especially if my friend says different things... Whats it not having support you, probably, already felt the last weeks... And I am sure the normal members will feel the difference...

So telling to me that I said that WS clan is a clan of shitters is minimum a misunderstanding... Maximum - fake accusations towards Argonath owner to set things look like shitters want actually...

As about all stuff around WS, and different talks about me personally, I do see that even each member has totally different information on whats going on... It means either leadership informs incorrect its members or those who were shitting Argonath still sit and poison WS members in a private way...

With this I can tell to each WS member... If you do not want to be a friend with Logic, you can continue to listen to the shit about me... If you are enough for logic, then you will understand every point I did set on meeting and in this post...

However, the time is going, the things are not at one place, we did clear the positions with WS leaders, we are still on the situation and hopes...

Good luck...
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Tovenaarke on July 14, 2011, 09:50:28 pm
I'm glad to see this hopefull reaction. Thanks
Title: Re: Official Clans Meeting
Post by: Exclusive. on July 16, 2011, 02:07:52 pm
I wish I could attend, I'm on a vacation in France at the moment. If it was like 2 months later, I could be there ;)

TCL is going trough kind of a rough time, so we have to discuss a few things.
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