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Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 13, 2011, 02:23:51 pm

Title: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 13, 2011, 02:23:51 pm: Hey guys,

Whenever I am playing IV:MP, and some other game (I forgot it's name), my PC allows me to play for around 10-15 minutes. Then, my screen goes black, the powerbutton sends out orange light instead of blue and there's a brief message of about 2 seconds that says "No input". My PC then starts making a lot of noise (like an aircraft taking off).

There is no way to fix it other than restarting my PC (hold the power button 8 seconds, then start it). I've already cleaned my PC from dust and stuff inside, but that didn't fix it for a bit. It's really annoying because now I'm spending more time rebooting my PC than actually playing.

The weird thing is, however, that this does not happen while I'm playing ArmA:II Combined Operations (or one of those two seperately).

You guys have any suggestions? I just ran out...

- Thomas
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Gimli on July 13, 2011, 02:51:22 pm: Try monitoring the temperature of your computer while you play. Sounds like it's overheating.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Bilbo on July 13, 2011, 02:52:35 pm: Whenever a PC starts having issues due to gaming for a while the problem lies mostly within the raise of temperatures causing possible malfunction. Download an application such as SpeedFan, Real Temp or Everest(trial) and monitor your hardware temperatures. The "No input" message and orange power button means that your PC forced itself into standby- or power off -mode.

You can also test your PC and the temperatures without gaming by using an application called Furmark, which will stress your graphics card 100%. If your PC crashes or reaches over 80'C during Furmark, you've found the problem into your issues.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 13, 2011, 03:11:29 pm: Is it only possible to check your temps by 3rd party programs?

If no, how to do it.
If yes, any RELIABLE programs?

INSTA-EDIT:
I just played ArmA II and after about 10 minutes it went to desktop (did not crash), giving me this error:
(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/9170/capturehfn.png)
^{I'm not entirely sure if the digits were equal, though!}

EDIT(2):
Talking about Windows XP.
Quote from: http://www.9lives.be/forum/hardware/699071-beeldschermstuurprogramma-reageert-niet-en-hersteld.html#post12800167
Wanneer je dan in een game bent en je videokaart of -drivers crashen, dan hangt je beeld (maar gaat het geluid door en zie je nog steeds het num-lock lampje oplichten zoals het hoort). Het enige wat dan helpt is de computer herstarten.
Translated:
[When videocard drivers crash on XP] Whenever you are playing a game and your videocard or -drivers crash, your screen will freeze (but your sound will continue and the num-lock light will just be shining as it should). The only thing you can then do is to restart your PC.

I'm on Windows 7 (64-bit), but it sounds very familiar...
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Bilbo on July 13, 2011, 03:54:54 pm: The programs I mentioned above (Speedfan, Real Temp) are reliable and easy-to-use. Also, downgrade your drivers to the previous ones (download earlier drivers than 275.33) http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 13, 2011, 04:07:14 pm: Quote from: IcyAero on July 13, 2011, 03:54:54 pm
The programs I mentioned above (Speedfan, Real Temp) are reliable and easy-to-use. Also, downgrade your drivers to the previous ones (download earlier drivers than 275.33) http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us)
I doubt my drivers have ever updated or downgrader ever since it was purchased (more than 1 year ago).. I believe Win7 doesn't automatically update them.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Bilbo on July 13, 2011, 04:42:44 pm: Well those 275.33 drivers were released this June. They might not be behind all the issues you're occuring, but it may help downgrading them.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 13, 2011, 04:46:45 pm: Quote from: IcyAero on July 13, 2011, 04:42:44 pm
Well those 275.33 drivers were released this June. They might not be behind all the issues you're occuring, but it may help downgrading them.
Quote from: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 13, 2011, 03:11:29 pm
^{I'm not entirely sure if the digits were equal, though!}
I don't think it was the same version as displayed :)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Ben. on July 13, 2011, 05:34:18 pm: What card have you got?
However, if it is NVidia then everything should work on this anyway:
"EVGA Precision"

Get that. The company works with NVidia cards, changing them a little and stuff...it works with stock NVidia stuff too, and I'm running a Gainward GTS 450 which seems to work fully with it as well (Gainward does the same as EVGA, also on nVidia cards).
;)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: EliteTerm on July 13, 2011, 08:17:06 pm: Maybe your graphic card is dying?
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Driggz on July 14, 2011, 07:32:43 am: I had the same problem, sometimes my monitor says no input signal and the power LED looks like it is on standby.
I have a Samsung LED 21.5" diaplay, if you are wondering.

And its a simple fix, well for me.
All you have to do is press the button which switches screen modes, its next to the auto adjust button.
I think its the button that puts it on standby.
Either press it on youre monitor it, it might be on youre keyboard
Title: Re: Monitor having \\\"No input\\\"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 14, 2011, 01:18:50 pm: I have a NVidea GT230

Quote from: Driggz on July 14, 2011, 07:32:43 am
And its a simple fix, well for me.
All you have to do is press the button which switches screen modes, its next to the auto adjust button.
I think its the button that puts it on standby.
Either press it on youre monitor it, it might be on youre keyboard
I've got an Acer AL1751 so any chance you could help me a little more? I couldn't find what you were describing.
Post Merge: July 14, 2011, 10:39:03 pm
I have just updated my video card drivers but that didn't work :neutral:
Post Merge: July 15, 2011, 05:34:51 pm
Playing the game in windowed mode somewhat solved it. I am able to play for an hour without any problems whatsoever, but I do get a serious FPS drop. So it's not really a solution, but more of a crappy work-around :S
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: DellStorm on July 17, 2011, 07:55:19 pm: Hi Thomas,

Did you manage to fix it yet ? Perhaps with a new monitor :D

Regards, DellStorm
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 17, 2011, 07:59:27 pm: Quote from: DellStorm on July 17, 2011, 07:55:19 pm
Hi Thomas,

Did you manage to fix it yet ? Perhaps with a new monitor :D

Regards, DellStorm
Not fixed yet.

I've run PCMark7 test (results here (http://3dmark.com/pcm7/108901;jsessionid=haypnur33ebt?show_ads=true&page=%2Fpcm7%2F108901%3Fkey%3D9WdKyULbtBeJNvAc354fzMKPLfVxHP)), for those who are interested.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Witchking on July 17, 2011, 08:26:52 pm: have you vacuuming the computer from dust like in the graphiccard Fan? :)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 17, 2011, 08:28:10 pm: Quote from: Tandtrollet on July 17, 2011, 08:26:52 pm
have you vacuuming the computer from dust like in the graphiccard Fan? :)
As far as I could reach! There's a whole cap for it so I didn't manage to get into it (would have to take the card out, then take the entire cap off, open it, put it back together, putting it back on the card, putting the card back; WITHOUT damaging anything).
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Salmonella on July 18, 2011, 02:41:57 am: As mentioned before : It sounds like it overheats. People in here are only suggesting to take out the dust... Thats not very helpfull in the first place because it doesn't sound like your PC attracts a lot of that. You probably should refresh the coolpaste on your CPU / heatsink. It does sound more like it's a graphic card problem though.. Refreshing coolpaste on a CPU can be very easy for people with not a lot of experience with computers.. But doing this on your graphics card is a different, smart but yet more difficult phenomenom. I myself do it once every 3 months or so to keep temperatures as low as possible.

In regular / average shit videocards like yours, there's ussually only one processor, which makes it easier to apply coolpaste / clean it than more complicated cards such as my GTX295

This, and a surrounding PCB is probably what you'll have to apply coolpaste on with your graphics card :

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2677/nieuwebitmapafbeeldingx.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/nieuwebitmapafbeeldingx.png/)

So be happy you wont have to do what i do :D :

(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/2139/gtx295dualpcbkoelpasta.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/gtx295dualpcbkoelpasta.jpg/)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Julio. on July 18, 2011, 10:39:07 am: Download EVGA Precision from THIS (http://www.evga.com/precision/) website.

You'll get a screen up which looks like this: (http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1296/evgaprecision.png)

IF this utility can control your fan speed, you will be able to click the 'Auto' Button down the bottom right, and change the fan speed manually.

At this point you can either choose to just keep your GPU's fan at 90 percent or something, OR you can set up a curve in the settings, so as the temperature goes up, the fan speed will too.

My Computer used to overheat, and by changing my settings so my fan would spin quicker, it no longer shuts down.

My setup with the graph in 'Settings' - Shown by the spanner, and then the 'Fan' Tab at the top of the menu that shows up:

(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9201/evgaprecision2.png)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 18, 2011, 04:46:08 pm: Great! I used to be able to run in windowed mode (with slight lag, but it was this or not playing at all), but now it also "crashes" in windowed mode... "No input" --> Black screen!

EDIT:
I installed SpeedFan.

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4513/speedfant.png)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Lionel Valdes on July 18, 2011, 05:26:06 pm: In PlayStation 2, when the temperature is high, nothing happens. It functions perfectly!

I have Windows XP (purshased in 2006), I have many games including ArmA series. I play them smoothly.

(PS: Oh Yes, if you were wondering, I'm back.)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Julio. on July 18, 2011, 06:34:30 pm: What were you doing at that moment?

72 degrees is fairly high if you were not doing a lot.

Also, if you switched from doing a lot to not doing much, the temperature should come down quickly, not slowly.

Read what I put above, if it work's it'll fix it.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Salmonella on July 18, 2011, 11:05:51 pm: 72 is a very high temperature especially for a GT230. I don't know what you were doing at THAT moment but I think it is a little higher when the screen goes blank for you. Other cards can run with higher temperatures.. My GTX295 reached 90 degrees celcius once ( Crsysis :D ) And didn't turn off. If i were you i'd get RivaTuner and turn up the GPU fan to 75 percent.

Rivatuner is free, you can download it somewhere and look for tutorials on ''how to change fan speed'' at google or something.

I'm also re-directing you to my previous post :

Quote from: Salmonella on July 18, 2011, 02:41:57 am
As mentioned before : It sounds like it overheats. People in here are only suggesting to take out the dust... Thats not very helpfull in the first place because it doesn't sound like your PC attracts a lot of that. You probably should refresh the coolpaste on your CPU / heatsink. It does sound more like it's a graphic card problem though.. Refreshing coolpaste on a CPU can be very easy for people with not a lot of experience with computers.. But doing this on your graphics card is a different, smart but yet more difficult phenomenom. I myself do it once every 3 months or so to keep temperatures as low as possible.

In regular / average shit videocards like yours, there's ussually only one processor, which makes it easier to apply coolpaste / clean it than more complicated cards such as my GTX295

This, and a surrounding PCB is probably what you'll have to apply coolpaste on with your graphics card :

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2677/nieuwebitmapafbeeldingx.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/nieuwebitmapafbeeldingx.png/)

So be happy you wont have to do what i do :D :

(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/2139/gtx295dualpcbkoelpasta.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/gtx295dualpcbkoelpasta.jpg/)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 19, 2011, 11:30:10 am: Quote from: joedaman633 on July 18, 2011, 06:34:30 pm
What were you doing at that moment?

72 degrees is fairly high if you were not doing a lot.

Also, if you switched from doing a lot to not doing much, the temperature should come down quickly, not slowly.
The scary part, was that only SpeedFan was running and even after half an hour, the temperature only dropped two degrees!

My brother took out my videocard and took the entire cap off, cleaned it and put it back. He also cleaned every other fan completely, except for my power feed fan.

PC runs at around 52C (may differ 1 or 2 degrees) average, while idle.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Webster on July 19, 2011, 10:08:28 pm: I've the same problem as you, but mine does not like show weird messages, but turns off right away after playing 10-15 minutes.

I've been monitoring my temperature while gaming.Games like Black ops or ArmA do not make it overheat.But when I played GTA IV today for the first time..DAYM, It was like an airport here with a gigantic plane taking off.

Here are my specs:
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.20GHz
ATI Radeon HD 6800
1TB HDD
6GB DDR3 RAM

Im planning on getting 2 case fans this friday.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Julio. on July 20, 2011, 12:04:12 am: Download a program to control the speed of the fans like EVGA Precision, set it to run on strtup, make a setup so the fans RUN FASTER on the GPU all the time.

Not a massive issue really, if this doesn't help try Salmonellas method too, then again, it's probably a good idea to do Sals method every so often anyway.

We know that your card is not dispersing heat quick enough, so basically do anything that will cool it down.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 20, 2011, 10:57:41 am: I would advise you to open your case and make sure you clean the fan of the GPU. Mine was completely full of dust and it solved the problem by sucking it out.

Thanks everyone, for helping!
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Webster on July 20, 2011, 11:35:17 am: Well I am downloading evga precision, and later on I am going to clean it fully.

EDIT: Jesus christ, after cleaning it up, only the CPU lowered the overheating to 57C from 63C, but the Graphic card went up to 90C so I quickly turned off IVMP so It doesn't explode.

EDIT2: I installed SpeedFan to check out on my fan speed, and this is how fast my fans go without playing any game

(http://i55.tinypic.com/9qzr4h.png)

EDIT3: I keep getting an error when trying to open up EVGA Precision, I reinstalled it several times, still the same error.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 20, 2011, 04:06:58 pm: Temp3 is frozen... -128C.. Dude, are you playing in Siberia or something? :lol:

Also, after I cleaned my GPU my Temp1 was 98C all the time... Didn't change once within 50 minutes. Restarted the PC and it was fixed ;)
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Julio. on July 20, 2011, 08:16:30 pm: Webster, bear in Mind that EVGA Precision is only for Nvidia Graphics cards, I'm sure ATI have their own, that may be your issue if you do not have an Nvidia card.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Webster on July 21, 2011, 11:17:34 pm: Quote from: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 20, 2011, 04:06:58 pm
Temp3 is frozen... -128C.. Dude, are you playing in Siberia or something? :lol:

Also, after I cleaned my GPU my Temp1 was 98C all the time... Didn't change once within 50 minutes. Restarted the PC and it was fixed ;)
How can I fix Temp3?
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Julio. on July 22, 2011, 12:49:02 am: Webster, did you move the fan, ie, spin it when you cleaned it?
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Salmonella on July 22, 2011, 01:07:12 pm: Quote from: Webster on July 21, 2011, 11:17:34 pm
How can I fix Temp3?
Burned through. solder a new temperature IC onto the graphics card..

..But you probably can't do that without a lot of knowledge about electronics :P
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Thomas 'Leroy' Crof on July 22, 2011, 01:37:06 pm: If it doesn't change, then you should reboot your PC, that fixed it for me :poke:
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Webster on July 22, 2011, 11:44:20 pm: Quote from: joedaman633 on July 22, 2011, 12:49:02 am
Webster, did you move the fan, ie, spin it when you cleaned it?
Once I cleaned the fan I just put back the lid of the computer and turned it on again.

Btw, I bought 2 new case fans today, going to install them as soon as I get some screws.
Title: Re: Monitor having "No input"
Post by: Julio. on July 23, 2011, 02:06:13 pm: Quote from: Webster on July 22, 2011, 11:44:20 pm
Once I cleaned the fan I just put back the lid of the computer and turned it on again.

Btw, I bought 2 new case fans today, going to install them as soon as I get some screws.

My Question was important.

A motor is basically made up of magnets right? And a motor spins the fan on the GPU, however, a Generator/Dynamo works in a similar fashion to a Motor, but backwards, so if you spin the fan you can cause damage.