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Title: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 10, 2011, 06:01:45 pm
Hello,
Today I am going to present you with multiple scary facts.
Let's start with the Illuminati and the music industry.

Most, if not all of the songs that you are listening to, are songs of the illuminati.
With this I mean that the artists are part of this secret society that worships the devil.
For example Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna, Jay Z and much more.

They influence their songs by putting all kinds of signs in their songs, for example forming a triangle with their hands.
Showing the pyramid with the all seeing eye etc.

Please, do watch this 11 part documentary, and your eyes will be opened. Don't hide from the truth.
THE MUSIC INDUSTRY EXPOSED - References (Part 1/11) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikoLMfnEgE#)
(Next part is on the end of the video)



Then we have the new world order..
Most of the world leaders are also part of the illuminati, and are preparing a ''new world order''.
This new world order is willing to kill 90% of the population, and keep the population under 500,000.
Don't believe me?
Bush and Obama have confirmed this new world order..

George Bush New World Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g#)

This new world order is supposed to start in 2012.
Open your eyes people.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Machiavelli on August 10, 2011, 06:07:30 pm
You forgot about me mowfaka
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 10, 2011, 06:09:03 pm
You forgot about me mowfaka
Uhm, let's stay on topic.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Biggo2 on August 10, 2011, 06:09:55 pm
Isn't this like the 50th topic about this stuff?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 10, 2011, 06:11:55 pm
Isn't this like the 50th topic about this stuff?
This is more of wake-up call.
Shit is going down, but only few know about this.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Machiavelli on August 10, 2011, 06:14:39 pm
2Pac A K A Machiavelli is the Don Killuminati maaaayynnnnn
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Biggo2 on August 10, 2011, 06:19:20 pm
Well, why would some one want to wipe out BILLIONS of people? Seriously man, I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Miami on August 10, 2011, 06:25:23 pm
Right. Now.. just for the hell of it, I'm going to write a song called "Rain Man" for the next album.

Thanks for the inspiration.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 10, 2011, 06:31:02 pm
Well, why would some one want to wipe out BILLIONS of people? Seriously man, I just don't get it.
To take control.

The new world order is supposed to
-Keep the world population under 500,000
-Take freedom from people
-Constant surveillance
-More



Tupac, Michael Jackson and Bob Marley are killed for refusing to sing songs with hidden messages and then spreading all the info.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Jellyfish on August 10, 2011, 06:38:18 pm

Tupac, Michael Jackson and Bob Marley are killed for refusing to sing songs with hidden messages and then spreading all the info.

Tupac was killed because he was a black guy with gang connections....
MJ was killed cuz' he was sick and dying already due to health complications, doesn't matter who slipped something in his Pineapple Jelly in the morning.
Bob Marley has a malignant malanoma, and ignored all types of medical treatment.. Jeez Whiz! Who wouldn't die...

So uh.. yeah.. that's bout it..
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Biggo2 on August 10, 2011, 06:40:46 pm
Tupac was killed because he was a black guy with gang connections....
MJ was killed cuz' he was sick and dying already due to health complications, doesn't matter who slipped something in his Pineapple Jelly in the morning.
Bob Marley has a malignant malanoma, and ignored all types of medical treatment.. Jeez Whiz! Who wouldn't die...

So uh.. yeah.. that's bout it..
Firstly, damn man that's just racist.
Second, MJ was killed by his doctor with a pill(?).
Third, probably have to agree with the Bob stuff.

How would they try to kill us all? Hitler style, nuke or what? And how they're going to warn everyone it's going to happen, that's if it does happen.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Murt on August 10, 2011, 07:34:34 pm
Bob Marley died by cancer in his little toe, then it's spread to the whole body and later killed him. Since he believed in the rastafari thing he was not allowed to medical treatment, that's why he died.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Squeak on August 10, 2011, 08:14:24 pm
Right. Now.. just for the hell of it, I'm going to write a song called "Rain Man" for the next album.

Thanks for the inspiration.
Like the retard?


The Illuminati/New World Order conspiracy theories are just their way of getting you to ignore the facts and further keep you in mental shackles. No one is free, truth is only relative, everything is fake. Enjoy your tenure in the prison of your mind, slave.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Void on August 10, 2011, 08:24:40 pm
Rain

When I saw the title, I've thought: "Oh, yet another politics and religion copy paste thread(for the 100th time)". Every single of these topics got trolled out by failed memes.
After I read "Rain" in your post Miami, I thought that ignorant troll Rain came back.

If you plan to discuss, discuss. No memes or failed attempts of insulting.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Que on August 10, 2011, 08:41:19 pm
I was all hyped up about this shit a year ago maybe. Dunno why, as it doesn't really make any sense.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Emre on August 10, 2011, 08:53:34 pm
There are several movies, texts, songs and alot more that show the tributes and public rites of Illuminati. We see it, but we don't want to face it. It happens.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Driggz on August 10, 2011, 08:56:32 pm
One word. Killuminati.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Que on August 10, 2011, 09:10:16 pm
There are several movies, texts, songs and alot more that show the tributes and public rites of Illuminati. We see it, but we don't want to face it. It happens.
To be honest with you, it's too far fetched to actually believe in Illuminati, firstly as ninety percent of the "believers" are significantly brainwashed themselves, as they do not have clear fact what Illuminati was from the beginning. People usually mention Tupac for his songs about Illuminati and also about his way-of-saying "Killuminati". Tupac was and still is the biggest poet in the history of rap/hiphop that has even been on this planet. Regardless his fame, Tupac himself stated that the lyrics about Illuminati is just lyrics, poetry from his heart. It has no connection to the world-wide Illuminati thing as most of the "believers" actually believe.

And for all these "signs" you can see in some movies, also on pictures, they're just there to keep this "Oh look Illuminati is alive"-type of thing. It's a way of getting more people into this type of music. To believe otherwise, you are nothing more than more brainwashed than the followers.

Nevertheless, the world is corrupt (United States of A, the heart of corruption), there are some strange things happening around the world. But it has nothing to do with Illuminati, believe me.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Emre on August 10, 2011, 09:16:19 pm
Nevertheless, the world is corrupt (United States of A, the heart of corruption), there are some strange things happening around the world. But it has nothing to do with Illuminati, believe me.
So true.
For everything that was stated above ; Each side is neither confirmed nor worth to debate the hell outta eachother. Everyone has a fair point to prove why it is and why it is NOT speaking for Illuminati's influence. :)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Driggz on August 10, 2011, 09:18:27 pm
Exactly. Tupac was a strong believer in god. People dont believe it, because people believe just because Tupac started a revolution, he had to be stopped. So people started thinking "The Illuminati killed Tupac" because they were offended of what Tupac was doing, he WAS starting a revoultion. He KNEW there was going to be a new political party because Tupac was becoming a leader, and they wanted to stop him before he can accomplish his goals, which was to start a revolution. So the only logical reason for Illuminati believers was that Illuminati killed Tupac.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Alarba on August 10, 2011, 09:20:46 pm
Wake up!
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: CM Pyro on August 10, 2011, 09:22:15 pm
fuck
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Driggz on August 10, 2011, 09:27:32 pm
Oh and this whole NWO thing.
Do you honestly think, that a so called "NWO" will eliminate 90% of the population?

How can a group of "The Worlds Elites" which is probably not even over 100-300 members eliminate over 5 billion people? Especially with THOSE 5 billion people opposing the NWO? How is it possible? You might say the elites will get the US military to complete such acts? Fuck that, the US military will oppose the NWO. No one but those 100-300 elites will try to wipe out the population which is bogus.
We are talking about billions of humans who know how to arm/defend themselves.
Its just not fucking possible. They are just trying to scare you. Open your eyes. Anyone can say there is a group of elites who will try to wipe out the population and scare the minds of children or whoever the fuck believes it.
But if you think about it LOGICALLY, it will fucking make sense.

Think about it...
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Biggo2 on August 10, 2011, 09:34:52 pm
Oh and this whole NWO thing.
Do you honestly think, that a so called "NWO" will eliminate 90% of the population?

Heh heh, a lot more than 90 percent. 500000 is nothing compared to a couple of billion.

What would they do with the bodies anyway?  Imagine 500,000 people trying to get rid of over 5 billion bodies  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Laurens on August 10, 2011, 09:37:37 pm
Immagine, if the government told us everything we should now... everything.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Emre on August 10, 2011, 09:39:40 pm
As long as the world's citizen hold together , as long as they fight for freedom and as long as they will barricade / won't render it possible for the NWO staff to perform, the world remains the same and so does the humanity.
There are several races that grew up with horrible circumstances, which makes them survive any 'elite' crapper. Quite simple ; No way they can get through that easy.

Nothing can tear this world apart. No brainwashed stars, no brainwashed mainstream-people, no president or anything.

Heh heh, a lot more than 90 percent. 500000 is nothing compared to a couple of billion.

What would they do with the bodies anyway?  Imagine 500,000 people trying to get rid of over 5 billion bodies  :rofl: :rofl:
There's no way that would work out. Statistics and their big mouthworks aren't bringing any truthful statement.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Driggz on August 10, 2011, 09:42:50 pm
As long as the world's citizen hold together , as long as they fight for freedom and as long as they will barricade / won't render it possible for the NWO staff to perform, the world remains the same and so does the humanity.
There are several races that grew up with horrible circumstances, which makes them survive any 'elite' crapper. Quite simple ; No way they can get through that easy.

Nothing can tear this world apart. No brainwashed stars, no brainwashed mainstream-people, no president or anything.
There's no way that would work out. Statistics and their big mouthworks aren't bringing any truthful statement.

Thats the thing, people shouldn't have to worry about doing that because its s hoax...
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 10, 2011, 09:44:11 pm
The new world order against the world? Easy if you ask me.
The world leaders have basically everything, including the army.

Also Michael Jackson stated in his song ''They don't really care about us'' the following:
Don't you black or white me.

When Michael Jackson refused to make songs with hidden messages, it is believed that he was purposely infected with lupus and vitiligo (skin disease).

Make sure to watch this
ILLUMINATI, MUSIC INDUSTRY AND WHY MICHAEL JACKSON WAS KILLED (PART 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJi2HaJf1VI#)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Emre on August 10, 2011, 09:47:23 pm
Unfortunately not able to view this video. May someone sum it up?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Nexus on August 10, 2011, 10:14:12 pm
Paranoid minds think alike.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: stormeus on August 10, 2011, 10:19:49 pm
Oh noes, the Ting Tings make triangles with their hands, they're illuminati!!!11one
The Ting Tings - Shut Up and Let Me Go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tolm-07if3c#)

Honestly, I think this is nothing but paranoia.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Driggz on August 10, 2011, 10:22:43 pm
The world leaders have basically everything, including the army.

Do they?
You think they can get any armed force that wont oppose the NWO? Beside themselves?

99.9% of the Army or Military if not 100$ of the Army or Military will oppose the NWO if it even existed... So they have nothing but themselves, a very very weak group.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Marcell on August 10, 2011, 10:25:47 pm
Hello,
Today I am going to present you with multiple scary facts.
Let's start with the Illuminati and the music industry.

Most, if not all of the songs that you are listening to, are songs of the illuminati.
With this I mean that the artists are part of this secret society that worships the devil.
For example Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna, Jay Z and much more.

They influence their songs by putting all kinds of signs in their songs, for example forming a triangle with their hands.
Showing the pyramid with the all seeing eye etc.

Please, do watch this 11 part documentary, and your eyes will be opened. Don't hide from the truth.
(Next part is on the end of the video)



Then we have the new world order..
Most of the world leaders are also part of the illuminati, and are preparing a ''new world order''.
This new world order is willing to kill 90% of the population, and keep the population under 500,000.
Don't believe me?
Bush and Obama have confirmed this new world order..
This new world order is supposed to start in 2012.
Open your eyes people.
(http://pl.memgenerator.pl/mem-image/cool-story-bro-2)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Squeak on August 10, 2011, 10:26:54 pm
First, I thought, oh this again. It's all a joke and such. But when I start to see it, it got scary.
Just a little example, I am a fan of Kanye West's music, and I noticed in his songs there are alot of lyrics with Satan things in em'. Many are, but here is just 2 examples;

Kanye West - Devil in a new Dress
Kanye West - Jesus Walks (one line: God show me the way because the devil trying to break me down)

omfg so scaryyy. omfggg kanye west is illuminati too :pop:
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Driggz on August 10, 2011, 10:28:22 pm
What does Kanye West worshiping the Devil have to do with the Illuminati?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Nexus on August 10, 2011, 10:28:58 pm
(http://pl.memgenerator.pl/mem-image/cool-story-bro-2)
Ignorant piece of work you are ...
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Laurens on August 10, 2011, 10:29:59 pm
I don't know, but this has to be one good joke.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Marcell on August 10, 2011, 10:30:55 pm
Ignorant piece of work you are ...
PLZ NO SEND ILLUMINATIS AFTER I !!!1!1
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Squeak on August 10, 2011, 10:31:07 pm
Ignorant piece of work you are ...
>call him ignorant
>believe that a satanic cult that is plotting to dominate the world and exterminate 90% of the population exists.

GOOD LOGIC.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Nexus on August 10, 2011, 10:33:30 pm
>call him ignorant
>believe that a satanic cult that is plotting to dominate the world and exterminate 90% of the population exists.

GOOD LOGIC.

Ignorant part was aimed at "don't dick around if you got nothing relative to post". His post is pure crap that smells miles wide.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Marcell on August 10, 2011, 10:36:56 pm
Ignorant part was aimed at "don't dick around if you got nothing relative to post". His post is pure crap that smells miles wide.
so my post is crap and a topic about conspirancy that wants to exterminate 90% of population isn't? w/e
i am speechless about this bullshit so i thought a simple meme would be enough to express.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Nexus on August 10, 2011, 10:42:33 pm
so my post is crap and a topic about conspirancy that wants to exterminate 90% of population isn't? w/e
So they can't express their opinion or even discuss this because you think the topic is crap and worthy of shitting on with a stupid meme?
As I said: Got something CONSTRUCTIVE, (that's c-o-n-s-t-r-u-c-t-i-v-e), to post? Go ahead.

Shake that hormonal sack you call a brain and think when you post.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 10, 2011, 11:02:06 pm
(http://pl.memgenerator.pl/mem-image/cool-story-bro-2)
How childish of you.

Oh noes, the Ting Tings make triangles with their hands, they're illuminati!!!11one
The Ting Tings - Shut Up and Let Me Go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tolm-07if3c#)

Honestly, I think this is nothing but paranoia.
Not that kind of triangle.
And if it is just paranoia, tell me what part you do not believe and I will do my best to explain it..
Unfortunately not able to view this video. May someone sum it up?
It basically shows that many mainstream artists have satanic messages in their songs, and how Michael Jackson really died.

I don't know, but this has to be one good joke.
It basically isn't.
If you play one of Kanye West's song reversed, you hear: ''666 (devil sign) murder murder jesus..''
Now tell me that that's fake.

I feel sorry for the people that think that this is all ''fake'' and crazy minds.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Laurens on August 10, 2011, 11:04:55 pm
I personally think some of you are getting brain washed by this document.
Just let it go and ignore it.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Alarba on August 10, 2011, 11:08:24 pm
So they can't express their opinion or even discuss this because you think the topic is crap and worthy of shitting on with a stupid meme?
As I said: Got something CONSTRUCTIVE, (that's c-o-n-s-t-r-u-c-t-i-v-e), to post? Go ahead.

Shake that hormonal sack you call a brain and think when you post.

Cool story bro is as constructive as
Paranoid minds think alike.

If you play one of Kanye West's song reversed, you hear: ''666 (devil sign) murder murder jesus..''
Now tell me that that's fake.
It's fake. Just asking how did u manage to find that out? Suddenly you heard 666 murder murder jesus while doing a normal playthrough?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Clone on August 10, 2011, 11:17:19 pm
Got to part 9, I'm done.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 10, 2011, 11:18:25 pm
Got to part 9, I'm done.
Aha, conclusion? :P
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Squeak on August 10, 2011, 11:48:00 pm
Got to part 9, I'm done.
How do you feel now that you've completely wasted time and will never get that back?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Nexxt on August 10, 2011, 11:54:47 pm
I lol'd, how you get so far you believe this shit?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: JasonSaint on August 11, 2011, 12:09:34 am
i,m not even going to watch this lame video
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Jellyfish on August 11, 2011, 03:18:57 am
i,m not even going to watch this lame video

Thank you for informing us.



I personally believe this is a load of crap.
All of these so-called illuminati are just another way to make people ignore actual world problems.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Dolfagr on August 11, 2011, 07:59:16 am
This topic is based in politics and religion, why did you post if you know it's not allowed to do it in this forum.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Biggo2 on August 11, 2011, 11:20:27 am
This topic is based in politics and religion, why did you post if you know it's not allowed to do it in this forum.
There is no religious despute.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Smith on August 11, 2011, 11:29:39 am
In the Netherlands you also have alot of illuminati. It's the most familar by the rappers here. Tagging the devil tag etc. And did you also saw this things: ΔΘ . I don't know how to call them.. Tags or something icons I don't know. Anyway you got alot of more with things like this..
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: MAS on August 11, 2011, 11:38:35 am
In the Netherlands you also have alot of illuminati. It's the most familar by the rappers here. Tagging the devil tag etc. And did you also saw this things: ΔΘ . I don't know how to call them.. Tags or something icons I don't know. Anyway you got alot of more with things like this..

lolwut, some little rappers who love to use big shit everyone knows, so they can get a better status.. Noany illuminati around here, The real ''illuminati'' is called the Goverment.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: b2311e on August 11, 2011, 12:00:26 pm
I didn't believe none of this shit about half an hour ago.
I'm quite stubborn for things like this usually, and almost always say its BS, but I do believe there is some truth behind some of the crap here (not all of it). I do think that there will be some form of change of this nature one day, just a case of when.
As long as Argonath still stands, I'm happy :)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 11, 2011, 12:36:45 pm
Thank you for informing us.



I personally believe this is a load of crap.
All of these so-called illuminati are just another way to make people ignore actual world problems.
Load of crap? - I am sure you have not watched the video(s).

In the Netherlands you also have alot of illuminati. It's the most familar by the rappers here. Tagging the devil tag etc. And did you also saw this things: ΔΘ . I don't know how to call them.. Tags or something icons I don't know. Anyway you got alot of more with things like this..
Yes, ''vrije metselaars''.

I lol'd, how you get so far you believe this shit?
You did not watch the video(s).
Come back at me when you did.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Laurens on August 11, 2011, 01:27:46 pm
In the Netherlands you also have alot of illuminati. It's the most familar by the rappers here. Tagging the devil tag etc. And did you also saw this things: ΔΘ . I don't know how to call them.. Tags or something icons I don't know. Anyway you got alot of more with things like this..

The thing with the eye, is that not to let them think god watching over them?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Void on August 11, 2011, 01:34:20 pm
And did you also saw this things: ΔΘ . I don't know how to call them..
Its called delta-fi. Standard Greek letters, nothing to be alarmed about. They just know how to misuse those today.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 11, 2011, 01:36:45 pm
The thing with the eye, is that not to let them think god watching over them?
(http://whatistheilluminati.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/know-illuminati-secrets.jpg)
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Pyramid with the all seeing eye.




(http://4gspot.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/kanye-illuminati-handsign.jpg?w=390&h=323)
Artist using one of the illuminati hand signs.




(http://www.lovethetruth.com/jis_images/bush_satan_sign.jpg)
(http://images.100georgia.multiply.com/image/1/photos/upload/300x300/SRpYUgoKCD0AACnxOao1/obama-devil-hand.jpg?et=Nlwvk7G9OtwAUMEPkKfySg&nmid=0)
(http://www.disclose.tv/files/photos/95f0ad1e97ff725L.png)
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World leaders using one of the illuminati hand signs.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Void on August 11, 2011, 01:44:39 pm
Illuminati signs? The corona? That's just idiotic.
You use that "devil's horn" (how narrow minded people call it) to say this: "Vafanculo!", which means "Take it in the butt".
"Invented" in Italy, moronized by Dio.

The triangle. Why do you connect Illuminati with a person who probably doesn't even have a high school finished?(Taking a wild guess).
Triangle connected with Jay-Z. To what has this world come to.
Pythagoras is flipping in his grave now, I bet.

In before the pentagram sign. No, just no.
Pentagram was a sign of power on 5 sides. Pentagram upside down meant damnation.
It has no ties with satanism. It has no ties with illuminati. Some people misinterpreted these signs wrongfully and now you're "suffering" for it.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Smith on August 11, 2011, 01:52:21 pm
That was the only thing I knew.. And the piramide. For the rest I don't really know about those greece letters etc.. Hm
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 11, 2011, 01:55:04 pm
Illuminati signs? The corona? That's just idiotic.
You use that "devil's horn" (how narrow minded people call it) to say this: "Vafanculo!", which means "Take it in the butt".
"Invented" in Italy, moronized by Dio.

The triangle. Why do you connect Illuminati with a person who probably doesn't even have a high school finished?(Taking a wild guess).
Triangle connected with Jay-Z. To what has this world come to.
Pythagoras is flipping in his grave now, I bet.

In before the pentagram sign. No, just no.
Pentagram was a sign of power on 5 sides. Pentagram upside down meant damnation.
It has no ties with satanism. It has no ties with illuminati. Some people misinterpreted these signs wrongfully and now you're "suffering" for it.
You're saying that the devil horns have nothing to do with illuminati whatsoever?
And that Jay-Z is using it for fun?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Marcell on August 11, 2011, 02:05:14 pm
The real illuminatis are people who post bullshit videos on YT to make all the paranoid people even more...paranoid.

with all due respect, are you fucking serious? yes, Jay-Z is using it for fun as a sign with no meaning. And yes, 'devil horns' as you call them, have nothing to do with illuminati.

the more i am here, the more I feel like this topic is more a troll attempt/ a joke than something serious. Either that, or the OP is not very clever or just too paranoid.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: JasonSaint on August 11, 2011, 02:13:38 pm
I trust marcell he is the troll expert
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Void on August 11, 2011, 02:21:02 pm
Lets be civil now gentlemen. No need to subtly provoke each other.
Continue with the course of topic.

Crook: Yes, that was my reply. Jay-Z uses our oxygen for fun too. That's injustice, don't you think?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: MAS on August 11, 2011, 02:26:51 pm
Hmm kinda ashame to see the word ''Vrij Metselaars'' in here, if you post that kinda stuff it allready shows you dont even know more about illuminati than watching some video's..
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Emre on August 11, 2011, 02:35:59 pm
(http://whatistheilluminati.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/know-illuminati-secrets.jpg)
(http://widiota.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/forever-alone-money.jpg)


After the next few pages, everything has started to become irrelevant. Illuminati is hidden ... I mean already leaked as the so called 'Government'.And yeah, Illuminati has strong influence of everyone's parliament, president-being and etcetera. But involving random lyrics is ... I mean ... keep your head on, kiddo.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Mikal on August 11, 2011, 02:47:18 pm
Man, if the illuminati came to kill me, I'de get my dad to let rip of a nuclear stink that would wipe their asses off the face of the earth.....  :lol: :rofl:

But seriously how can people say they are not real? And about that sign on the money note, how do you know it wasnt there befor Illuminati's sign?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Nexxt on August 11, 2011, 03:34:10 pm
Apparently Argonath is illuminati, since then we have Sauron and his eye who is always watching.
I think Gandalf and Aragorn are in all those complot theories and they are actually getting us stuck to this community so in the end, they will guide is towards the wrong side since Gandalf and Aragorn are part of the New World Order...

Really, it's all because we have an eye on Argonath!





Anyone who believed what I just said is plain stupid. Ofcourse it's not true, they only try to scare you....stupid NWO.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Laurens on August 11, 2011, 06:41:28 pm
The signs they make are just show-offs! It's ment to be a diamond, stands for power, money girls etc.. ( the artist, just for fun and stuff)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Jubin on August 11, 2011, 07:34:32 pm
Guys no politics/religion. Talks about conspiracy theory like this one is about world dominance/politics. so please, stop it.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Squeak on August 11, 2011, 09:29:12 pm
Guys no politics/religion. Talks about conspiracy theory like this one is about world dominance/politics. so please, stop it.
I agree, this is a bad topic anyway. OP should feel bad.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on August 11, 2011, 09:48:09 pm
Someone played too much Deus Ex or something in here.

Deus Ex: The Recut (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi7JRJrod4#ws)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Y2JFaN on August 12, 2011, 03:16:37 am
You know, we can all speculate, believe we are right, believe others are wrong - But really.... No one really knows. I think Squeak (earlier in the thread) was right saying we are all mental prisoners of our own. I'm not saying everyone here is wrong, but there is no real proof. No man Can predict the future. When I say that I feel I contradict myself in the same post, but It is my belief.

The idea of this is to ignore it, all of it. Think about it once, choose your belief on it, and move on. IF it really happens, - what will you do? If it doesn't - continue living your life. Until it happens, it is not real. If it does happen(whatever theory, belief, etc), well, it happens. Nothing can be changed.

Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 12, 2011, 12:33:07 pm
I agree, this is a bad topic anyway. OP should feel bad.
:(

The signs they make are just show-offs! It's ment to be a diamond, stands for power, money girls etc.. ( the artist, just for fun and stuff)
Nope, because in many videos, the hand signs are paired with other signs in the video.
For example a wall painting of the all seeing eye, and hidden satanic messages in the lyrics.

Someone played too much Deus Ex or something in here.

Deus Ex: The Recut (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi7JRJrod4#ws)
..No

Man, if the illuminati came to kill me, I'de get my dad to let rip of a nuclear stink that would wipe their asses off the face of the earth.....  :lol: :rofl:

But seriously how can people say they are not real? And about that sign on the money note, how do you know it wasnt there befor Illuminati's sign?
The illuminati is an ancient society that was there way before us, and the dollar.





Also

(http://www.christianmedia.us/images2/osama.jpg)
(http://www.conspiracies.net/pic04.gif) <- Dollar bill folded shows the twin towers, burning.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EegRib32dbc/TA-xzT9HozI/AAAAAAAABRs/BXbU-iyIFqc/s1600/one_dollar_bill_reverse-united_states_.jpg) <- Hmm.. (all seeing eye)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Alarba on August 12, 2011, 01:22:04 pm
No man Can predict the future.
(http://www.christianmedia.us/images2/osama.jpg)
(http://www.conspiracies.net/pic04.gif) <- Dollar bill folded shows the twin towers, burning.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EegRib32dbc/TA-xzT9HozI/AAAAAAAABRs/BXbU-iyIFqc/s1600/one_dollar_bill_reverse-united_states_.jpg) <- Hmm.. (all seeing eye)
Illuminati. By being one you can predict the future, such as the birth of Osama and the destruction of the twin towers!
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Mikal on August 12, 2011, 02:45:36 pm
Wow, the US really need to make some new bills...
New design that is without people beign able to fold it into saying Osama and a picture of the twin towers.. :P
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 12, 2011, 02:46:53 pm
Wow, the US really need to make some new bills...
New design that is without people beign able to fold it into saying Osama and a picture of the twin towers.. :P
They made it like that on purpose.
If you fold it you can also see the burning pentagon.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Jubin on August 12, 2011, 02:52:44 pm
They made it like that on purpose.
If you fold it you can also see the burning pentagon.
At night when it is clear sky, look up and connect the dots and you can read "Jubin" from it - now worship me as your God!
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 12, 2011, 03:50:03 pm
At night when it is clear sky, look up and connect the dots and you can read "Jubin" from it - now worship me as your God!
No thanks, get out plz.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Mikal on August 12, 2011, 03:54:38 pm
At night when it is clear sky, look up and connect the dots and you can read "Jubin" from it - now worship me as your God!
I saw Ju\_/, kinda looks like a trashcan right?  :lol:
I'm kidding. :)

No thanks, get out plz.
But seriously shes right, everyone  goes crazy over some crap.. Maybe the Americans did it in honour of 911..
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 12, 2011, 03:58:00 pm
But seriously shes right, everyone  goes crazy over some crap.. Maybe the Americans did it in honour of 911..
They created the illuminati in honour of 9/11?
Dude.. that's just sick.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Mikal on August 12, 2011, 04:06:39 pm
They created the illuminati in honour of 9/11?
Dude.. that's just sick.
NOT THE FUCKING ILLUMINATI, the things you can do on the cash!
(Apart from Osama) xD Plus if "United States of America" can be rolled up into Osama then anyone can do that so it doesnt mean it was made to say Osama..
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Squeak on August 12, 2011, 07:19:16 pm
They made it like that on purpose.
If you fold it you can also see the burning pentagon.
Bro, I just made a piece of toast and the Virgin Mary appeared. OMFG ILLUMINATI PAPAL CONSPIRACYYY

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40534000/jpg/_40534689_toastie-afp203.jpg)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Laurens on August 12, 2011, 07:45:26 pm
Bro, I just made a piece of toast and the Virgin Mary appeared. OMFG ILLUMINATI PAPAL CONSPIRACYYY

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40534000/jpg/_40534689_toastie-afp203.jpg)

So scary..
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Mikal on August 12, 2011, 08:21:54 pm
Bro, I just made a piece of toast and the Virgin Mary appeared. OMFG ILLUMINATI PAPAL CONSPIRACYYY

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40534000/jpg/_40534689_toastie-afp203.jpg)
I LOL'D  :D :lol: :rofl: :)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Y2JFaN on August 12, 2011, 08:56:14 pm
Illuminati. By being one you can predict the future, such as the birth of Osama and the destruction of the twin towers!
That is not predicting the future if you know it is happening. IF I flip a coin that has heads on both sides I can say 'I predict it will land on heads' - is that really a prediction?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Alarba on August 12, 2011, 10:37:02 pm
That is not predicting the future if you know it is happening. IF I flip a coin that has heads on both sides I can say 'I predict it will land on heads' - is that really a prediction?
Yes it is a prediction. What if the coin never lands, regardless of having heads on both sides?
How does a coin with heads on both sides compare to the destruction of the world trade center and osama written on a dollar bill? Explain please.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Y2JFaN on August 13, 2011, 01:03:15 am
Yes it is a prediction. What if the coin never lands, regardless of having heads on both sides?
How does a coin with heads on both sides compare to the destruction of the world trade center and osama written on a dollar bill? Explain please.
I didn't compare them as events, but chance, as you said they did predict the future, they planned it. I see where your coming from when saying 'it never lands' and then there would have to be an outside interference. Otherwise by the law of gravity, it must land.

As far as the pictures - can you tell me why the 'Illuminati' would want to basically reveal what they 'predict'ed the future to be? Its possible ironic, possible its not. Maybe someone can predict the future (by luck), but until it happens its a belief. For example, you believe the Illuminati and how they 'predicted' the 9/11 events and Birth of Osama, but until that is proven it is just a belief.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Alarba on August 13, 2011, 02:02:11 am
As far as the pictures - can you tell me why the 'Illuminati' would want to basically reveal what they 'predict'ed the future to be? Its possible ironic, possible its not. Maybe someone can predict the future (by luck), but until it happens its a belief. For example, you believe the Illuminati and how they 'predicted' the 9/11 events and Birth of Osama, but until that is proven it is just a belief.
This one's a mess. I was being sarcastic. I do not believe in the Illuminati nor that those events are linked with the Illuminati.

However theres something wrong with people ( like crook ) that believe that the Illuminati predicted/planned the 9/11 and the birth of Osama.
The United States Of America -> Osama ( so what? )
The Illuminati pyramid -> The marking of a satanist group, but they seem to be fine with In God We Trust, odd eh?
The burning towers -> The "smoke" comes from the trees, blame the white house for having trees?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 13, 2011, 01:50:03 pm
This one's a mess. I was being sarcastic. I do not believe in the Illuminati nor that those events are linked with the Illuminati.

However theres something wrong with people ( like crook ) that believe that the Illuminati predicted/planned the 9/11 and the birth of Osama.
The United States Of America -> Osama ( so what? )
The Illuminati pyramid -> The marking of a satanist group, but they seem to be fine with In God We Trust, odd eh?
The burning towers -> The "smoke" comes from the trees, blame the white house for having trees?
There is nothing wrong with me, so don't ever assume that again.
Also you actually started the talk of the birth of Osama and the predictions.
/facepalm.

The United States of America -> Osama - It isn't just a simple fold and forming the letters, but yes it's a bit out of track.
Pyramid -> If you were not so lazy to even watch one of the videos, you would understand".
Towers -> What trees? You can clearly see the burning twin towers, unless you are blind.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Dolfagr on August 13, 2011, 06:19:59 pm
American dollars. Printed in 1929 for first time, re designed in 1963

Twin towers constructed in 1968 to 1973

Twin towers demolished in 2001.


There has not been any re-design in the american bill of 1$ dollar since 1963. However if you do believe on this and the Osama thing you must believe in everything a stranger can say to you on the street...
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Alarba on August 13, 2011, 08:47:44 pm
There is nothing wrong with me, so don't ever assume that again.
There is.
Also you actually started the talk of the birth of Osama and the predictions.
/facepalm.
Seems you already forgot about the pictures you posted.
The United States of America -> Osama - It isn't just a simple fold and forming the letters, but yes it's a bit out of track.
I'll start folding my Euros to see what happens.
Pyramid -> If you were not so lazy to even watch one of the videos, you would understand".
The pyramid is one of the symbols of the Illuminati, apparently Illuminati is a satanist group, apparently the message In God We Trust is also there.
Towers -> What trees? You can clearly see the burning twin towers, unless you are blind.
Ye i'm blind. Go look at the reverse side of a 20 dollar bill. You will see the white house with a tree on each side. Notice that the trees have the same shape as the smoke.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Que on August 13, 2011, 09:41:32 pm
Dexter Isaac admits shooting Tupac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP6OR6K0VIU#ws)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Marten on August 13, 2011, 09:46:27 pm
My chest hair grows in a perfect pyramid shape and I have an oval...almost eye looking birthmark roughly in the middle of the pyramid hair.Therefore...








...I am the leader of Illuminati.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Dolfagr on August 13, 2011, 11:08:47 pm
Dexter Isaac admits shooting Tupac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP6OR6K0VIU#ws)

Tupac had some stock albums that were released after his death. He basically knew his own death was coming and thats why he named them Killuminati or w/e. People who think that Tupac was alive even after his death and wrote albums are simply nonsense.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Que on August 14, 2011, 04:00:38 am
The whole Illuminati thing he wrote about is and were hundred percent poetry. Nothing else.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Dolfagr on August 14, 2011, 11:23:34 am
The dollars you posted with Osama are also fake. Just tested on a real dollar. Stop trying to fool people around and make them believe theories that simply don't exist.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 15, 2011, 02:13:45 pm
The dollars you posted with Osama are also fake. Just tested on a real dollar. Stop trying to fool people around and make them believe theories that simply don't exist.
You failed I guess.

how to spell osama on a 20 dollar bill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAZyMe0pGA#)

Ye i'm blind. Go look at the reverse side of a 20 dollar bill. You will see the white house with a tree on each side. Notice that the trees have the same shape as the smoke.
Tard, pretty weird that it shapes the twin towers eh?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Alarba on August 15, 2011, 02:28:13 pm
Tard, pretty weird that it shapes the twin towers eh?
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1463/burningdf.jpg)
Those are the towers and the smoke seen in
(http://www.conspiracies.net/pic04.gif)
So again, blame the white house?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 15, 2011, 02:37:40 pm
*facepalm*

Ofcourse they did that on purpose.. Are you acting retarted?
They are forming the twin towers with the shapes..
But if you can't understand that, get the hell out.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Alarba on August 15, 2011, 02:46:13 pm
*facepalm*

Ofcourse they did that on purpose.. Are you acting retarted?
They are forming the twin towers with the shapes..
But if you can't understand that, get the hell out.
So the white house was constructed with the destruction on the twin towers in mind?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Que on August 15, 2011, 03:20:54 pm
You failed I guess.
how to spell osama on a 20 dollar bill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAZyMe0pGA#)
Hahahaha are you serious?
Man you are seriously believing this mess too much, bro. It's pretty funny.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Jellyfish on August 15, 2011, 03:25:14 pm
Hahahaha are you serious?
Man you are seriously believing this mess too much, bro. It's pretty funny.

I know right...
Gettin worried about Stef now...
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Dolfagr on August 15, 2011, 07:55:26 pm
You failed I guess.

how to spell osama on a 20 dollar bill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAZyMe0pGA#)
Tard, pretty weird that it shapes the twin towers eh?

It's 0SAMA not OSAMA. So it's just a number and SAMA not a name. And guess what, he's full name is Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, does it say that on the bill?

And the dollars were designed before even twin towers existed. If you want to believe at this then go ahead, but don't drag us to this and try to make us believe it.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on August 15, 2011, 08:11:17 pm
Maybe some illuminate was playing with a $20 bill and folded into "Osama" and thought "hey, let's name a terrorist like that!" ?

Another folded it another way and thought "hey, this looks like the WTC towers! this gives me ideas.."
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Squeak on August 15, 2011, 08:17:03 pm
Maybe some illuminate was playing with a $20 bill and folded into "Osama" and thought "hey, let's name a terrorist like that!" ?

Another folded it another way and thought "hey, this looks like the WTC towers! this gives me ideas.."
By "illuminate," I hope you mean 19-year old pseudo-intellectual conspiracy theorist basement dweller?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: EminemRulez on August 17, 2011, 05:47:58 am
If they're a secret organization, why would 'em give signs?

nonsense huh?

333 + 333 = 666
i'm so illuminate
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 17, 2011, 12:16:15 pm
If they're a secret organization, why would 'em give signs?

nonsense huh?

333 + 333 = 666
i'm so illuminate
Why even bother to post if you have not watched the video?
THE MUSIC INDUSTRY EXPOSED - Why In Plain Sight? (Part 2/11) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTM_1ooWTmQ#)

It's 0SAMA not OSAMA. So it's just a number and SAMA not a name. And guess what, he's full name is Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, does it say that on the bill?

Big difference?
And Obama's full name is Barack Hussein Obama, do we call him that? No.

And the dollars were designed before even twin towers existed. If you want to believe at this then go ahead, but don't drag us to this and try to make us believe it.

That makes it only more logical that it was a prediction.
Also you were the one to post here, don't like this? Get the f**k out.

Hahahaha are you serious?
Man you are seriously believing this mess too much, bro. It's pretty funny.
I did not start with the Osama thing, as you can see in the first post I was talking about the illuminati.
But people don't even bother watching the videos.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Dolfagr on August 17, 2011, 12:25:53 pm
This is a gaming community, not a place to discuss about conspiracy theories and imaginary stuff that don't exist.

Obviously I was helping the rest of the topic viewers from getting brainwashed, but if you don't want me in here I shall leave.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 17, 2011, 12:29:33 pm
This is a gaming community, not a place to discuss about conspiracy theories and imaginary stuff that don't exist.

Obviously I was helping the rest of the topic viewers from getting brainwashed, but if you don't want me in here I shall leave.
It's called speakerbox for a reason. Stuff not related to gaming can be put in here.

And I appreciate it if you want to discuss something or tell me what does not sound logical, but do not shit all over the topic.

Some of you are taking this too serious, I was willing to point out that there is indeed something crazy going on with almost all of the mainstream songs. I am not a psychological conspiracy dude or whatsoever.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Dolfagr on August 17, 2011, 12:58:14 pm
In that case, sorry if you were offended  :D
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Marcell on August 17, 2011, 01:25:26 pm
Some of you are taking this too serious
You're the only one taking this shit too serious
I am not a psychological conspiracy dude or whatsoever.
You act like a one
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 17, 2011, 01:29:47 pm
You're the only one taking this shit too seriousYou act like a one
Are you trying to be a troll or something?
Just don't.. you're humiliating yourself.

In that case, sorry if you were offended  :D
Heh no problem :D
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: ferrari32 on August 17, 2011, 01:58:13 pm
I believed in this stuff for a long time, but always not thinking about it too much. I just love it when someone that listens to lady gaga tells me metal (i listen to metal) is satanic, but seems like their crap is satanic.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 17, 2011, 02:03:03 pm
I just love it when someone that listens to lady gaga tells me metal (i listen to metal) is satanic, but seems like their crap is satanic.
lol exactly.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: ferrari32 on August 17, 2011, 02:23:02 pm
Lordi Devil is a loser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUIS4Zn_E4o#ws)
These guys pwnd rain man  :)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: RafaDK on August 17, 2011, 11:23:19 pm
That shit going down in the U.K, Illuminati master plan too?
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 18, 2011, 02:40:23 pm
That shit going down in the U.K, Illuminati master plan too?
I don't see what the illuminati has to do with riots.
So I guess not.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Marten on August 18, 2011, 03:27:47 pm
I don't see what the illuminati has to do with riots.
So I guess not.

You are blind. social Media was used to manipulate people to come to the streets and set the current government in a bad position, therefore it was all Illuminati's doing. Pfft, and you are trying to show yourself as an expert on the topic.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Que on August 18, 2011, 03:41:57 pm
Illuminati is irrelevant to the fullest. I suggest you to take a close look at the world's so-called country of "Illuminati". Joe Rogan describes extremely good what's going on in the States, they're corrupt and are completely blindfolding people with this shit.

Joe Rogan - The American War Machine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl2JQfxnnHU#ws)
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 18, 2011, 03:54:53 pm
Illuminati is irrelevant to the fullest. I suggest you to take a close look at the world's so-called country of "Illuminati". Joe Rogan describes extremely good what's going on in the States, they're corrupt and are completely blindfolding people with this shit.

Joe Rogan - The American War Machine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl2JQfxnnHU#ws)
Sadly most people don't know what's going on there.
Title: Re: Illuminati / new world order
Post by: Y2JFaN on August 18, 2011, 07:32:23 pm
As I already said, no one knows the real truth. Maybe someone (by chance, or luck) could actually predict the future but there is no certain(100%) yes/no proof of anything. As someone said earlier, we are all mental prisoners of our own mind.
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