Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Exterminator on August 11, 2011, 04:47:58 pm
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Yes i know they arent allowed because they provide an "unfair advantage" however i fail to see how.
Copy paste grabs only one bind and if its typing fast, copy paste does the trick too.
Can anyone give a example of a 0unfair advantage or explain this rule in detail?or life it? :O
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Easy access to commands such as /hit, able to spam the server, or what about accidental presses wich causes confusion and spam
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Simples. You press one button another player types the whole sentence. Who is faster ?
Example:
you put /su 25 evading under a keybind.
Go to ID 25, press the keybind and kill with one deagle shot.
Others may find more appropriate examples, but I think you get the idea...
And yes the arrow up can to the same, one more reason why you do not need keybinds...
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Simples. You press one button another player types the whole sentence. Who is faster ?
Example:
you put /su 25 evading under a keybind.
Go to ID 25, press the keybind and kill with one deagle shot.
Others may find more appropriate examples, but I think you get the idea...
And yes the arrow up can to the same, one more reason why you do not need keybinds...
The evading example wont really make a difference, the person is unprepared anyway.Its up to the abusive cop to type it and immediately shoot or keybind and shoot, wont make a difference, it begins after the suspection.
@statuz-/hit has also required a ID, how will a guy know what the id is when setting the keybind?
Spam-Jeffrey to the rescue!
These three situations are solved, i will wait for more examples to come in.
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He can just press the key for /hit and then type the ID. ;)
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Gandalf better should say about /s1 /s2 /s3 etc and /ad. I see a lot of cops using keybinds for their own reasons and get punished. Other example? Advertisements. Person is so lazy to press T and ^ to find his last ad so he just sets it on a keybind and presses it every twenty seconds. Don't you think that's a bit unfair? It is not allowed and it will never be allowed simply because not everyone can use it but still it is an advantage over other players.
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He can just press the key for /hit and then type the ID. ;)
A player that types t/hit is aware of the type, but a keybinder is unaware, hence it will actually have the typing one get ahead
Gandalf better should say about /s1 /s2 /s3 etc and /ad. I see a lot of cops using keybinds for their own reasons and get punished. Other example? Advertisements. Person is so lazy to press T and ^ to find his last ad so he just sets it on a keybind and presses it every twenty seconds. Don't you think that's a bit unfair? It is not allowed and it will never be allowed simply because not everyone can use it but still it is an advantage over other players.
/s1 /s2 /m3 e.t.c are altho not hard to type, if someone wants to keybind it is no problem actually..wes pressing a key to type a three letter word, dont see the advantage in that..
As for the /ad, nothing wrong with it either.All players can also get keybinds so the thing of can doesnt exist, whats unfair with the ad ey?i dont see the advantage there
Awaiting more examples to pwn
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A player that types t/hit is aware of the type, but a keybinder is unaware, hence it will actually have the typing one get ahead
A keybind for that basically does everything, you only need to type the id. A person will have to press t type /hit and then id where as a keybinder will have to just press key and id. So yeah, that's an advantage.
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I guess the easiest way to sto pthe discussion is to ban you for using keybinds. :D
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What I think why the owners do not want people to have keybinds it that it can easily be abused, by flooding the mainchat by holding one button down.
That's why the put Jeffrey into work.
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Person is so lazy to press T and ^ to find his last ad so he just sets it on a keybind and presses it every twenty seconds.
They might be copy-pasting. :)
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What I think why the owners do not want people to have keybinds it that it can easily be abused, by flooding the mainchat by holding one button down.
That's why the put Jeffrey into work.
The idea is simple... using keybinds against using typing is an unfair advantage that is coming from outside SA:MP and GTA:SA. That is why it is disallowed.
Yes you can say others can set them as well. All players can install hacks too, but that is no reason to allow it...
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The idea is simple... using keybinds against using typing is an unfair advantage that is coming from outside SA:MP and GTA:SA. That is why it is disallowed.
Yes you can say others can set them as well. All players can install hacks too, but that is no reason to allow it...
I have seen it on other servers(nothing about that unique argonath pls, i am giving a example) and it works well, i asked the players and it wasnt a problem at all.
@murt-to spam the server..if someone wanna spam it he wont follow the rules but just get a keybinder and spam it anyway?
Typing and keybinding is not a problem, it is merely multiple copy pastes at once, nothing else.
I still cant get a valid example of a situation where keybinding is abused, the current ones were already proven invalid..
As for charlie, i asked two guys to copy paste /hit and other to type it, then i set a hit, guess who actually got it?the one who typed.
The reason for that is extremely simple, a player who is typing in is also checking the id in time while typing, whereas the keybinding player is locating the key then having the text bar pop up and trying to locate the id after that, dealing with the Main chat spam aswell.
I really wish for keybinding to be allowed, a lot of fun stuff can come out of it.typing vs copy pasting isnt really a issue, if players already arent having a issue with copy pasting, why will they have one with multiple copy pasting
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I have seen it on other servers(nothing about that unique argonath pls, i am giving a example) and it works well, i asked the players and it wasnt a problem at all.
@murt-to spam the server..if someone wanna spam it he wont follow the rules but just get a keybinder and spam it anyway?
Typing and keybinding is not a problem, it is merely multiple copy pastes at once, nothing else.
I still cant get a valid example of a situation where keybinding is abused, the current ones were already proven invalid..
As for charlie, i asked two guys to copy paste /hit and other to type it, then i set a hit, guess who actually got it?the one who typed.
The reason for that is extremely simple, a player who is typing in is also checking the id in time while typing, whereas the keybinding player is locating the key then having the text bar pop up and trying to locate the id after that, dealing with the Main chat spam aswell.
I have also seen servers where hack are allowed, and they work good as well.
The reason why its not allowed has been clearly stated, IF you wish to use them, you can do so on other servers however if we detect the usage of keybinds the player is banned.
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If there is something so amazingly needed as a shortened /command then post in the SA:MP ideas section. Copy and Paste works amazingly well fo situations when your using a command well using /l a lot.
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Copy and paste or simple uparrow and enter.
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They might be copy-pasting. :)
Oh my..how didn't I think of this. /facepalm :P
Well if you say keybinds give a small advantage why do you need them anyway. :D
And even tiny advantages shouldn't be allowed...
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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71327.msg1086541#msg1086541 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71327.msg1086541#msg1086541)
This has already been answered many times.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=6889.msg72149#msg72149 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=6889.msg72149#msg72149)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=45168.msg568276#msg568276 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=45168.msg568276#msg568276)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=46514.msg591981#msg591981 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=46514.msg591981#msg591981)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=63099.msg934940#msg934940 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=63099.msg934940#msg934940)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35930.msg450044#msg450044 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35930.msg450044#msg450044)
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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71327.msg1086541#msg1086541 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71327.msg1086541#msg1086541)
This has already been answered many times.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=6889.msg72149#msg72149 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=6889.msg72149#msg72149)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=45168.msg568276#msg568276 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=45168.msg568276#msg568276)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=46514.msg591981#msg591981 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=46514.msg591981#msg591981)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=63099.msg934940#msg934940 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=63099.msg934940#msg934940)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35930.msg450044#msg450044 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=35930.msg450044#msg450044)
none of those topics have proper reasoning provided, half of them are unban requests simply stating they arent allowed.
My point still stands, keybinds arent giving any kind of advantage, if you wish to prove me wrong please give me a valid example of keybinds giving advantage, or i request them to be allowed...
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>implying your request will get approved.
It has been a rule long enough since, so don't expect it to be allowed. ;). They were abused and/or gave an advantage, that's why they are disallowed.
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none of those topics have proper reasoning provided, half of them are unban requests simply stating they arent allowed.
My point still stands, keybinds arent giving any kind of advantage, if you wish to prove me wrong please give me a valid example of keybinds giving advantage, or i request them to be allowed...
How do any of these topics not state it?!? Gandalf himself said in at least a few of them that they give an unfair advantage, and will never be allowed. They are seen as hacks.
How can you not see how these give an advantage? This has been answered several times! Instant, one-button responses to players makes it so players can instantly pull someone over, tell them to surrender, or something else instantly, allowing them to move onto the next step, such as opening fire or suspecting someone before they can even type back. This would not only be heavily abused, but in itself it's an advantage for the user using it, and just like with mods, the Argonath Vision does not allow advantages over others, nor does it allow anything that is a mod that affects other players in any way. Just like when someone I won't name was banned for a non-solid lightpole mod so they could chase suspects more easily, things that even give tiny advantages like that are still not allowed.
I don't even see why this topic is still open. The Server Owners have stated dozens of times that keybinds will never be allowed...