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Title: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: XSniper on August 14, 2011, 05:39:26 pm
Indiana State Fair Stage Collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRkdwrmzYXg#ws)

wow.. how many dead?
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Void on August 14, 2011, 05:49:07 pm
Holy guacamole.
Where were the contractors when they worked on this?
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: XSniper on August 14, 2011, 05:56:16 pm
Holy guacamole.
Where were the contractors when they worked on this?

I dont think it was the contractors fault or maybe a little bit, but did you notice that fucking wind?
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Alsatian on August 14, 2011, 05:59:13 pm
Hollyyyy fucking shit.

RIP to those who died.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Conroy on August 14, 2011, 06:00:31 pm
That was obvious it was going to fall.. Why wasn't it cancelled?

The structure doesn't even look strong enough in the first place...

I'm pretty sure the contractors will be long gone
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: XSniper on August 14, 2011, 06:02:44 pm
I'm pretty sure the contractors will be long gone

And sued..

Theres some article speaking they built the stage in a rush, and refused to cancel it because their was going to be a pack of fans.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Reece on August 14, 2011, 06:14:52 pm
Only five died...

That's damn lucky.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: XSniper on August 14, 2011, 06:16:17 pm
Only five died...

That's damn lucky.

But many were injured, you can when it first fell a line of people got hit.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Y2JFaN on August 14, 2011, 07:33:54 pm
Amazing that it was captured on video. Equally amazing no one thought twice about the structure.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: SafetyMoose on August 14, 2011, 07:36:44 pm
Whoever built it would not be at fault. Most likely it would be the event organizers that get sued seeing as the crew that sets those things up have no real technical knowledge regarding the limits of the stage, that and whoever thought it was a good idea to hold a o=concert in a lightning storm is retarded.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Y2JFaN on August 14, 2011, 07:43:26 pm
Whoever built it would not be at fault. Most likely it would be the event organizers that get sued seeing as the crew that sets those things up have no real technical knowledge regarding the limits of the stage, that and whoever thought it was a good idea to hold a o=concert in a lightning storm is retarded.
The Stage should have been built to withstand such events even if the weather was not predicted to be as it was that night. IF maybe the builders were being rushed (such as by the event organizers) to finish it they should have simply said It isn't safe.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Dolfagr on August 14, 2011, 11:03:15 pm
It's a shame people died because of this. Event organizers and constructors should pass from trial.

Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Rock_Man on August 14, 2011, 11:08:51 pm
Very Cool in this storm in this Rock
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: SafetyMoose on August 14, 2011, 11:56:11 pm
The Stage should have been built to withstand such events even if the weather was not predicted to be as it was that night. IF maybe the builders were being rushed (such as by the event organizers) to finish it they should have simply said It isn't safe.

The people who build these things are highschool educated and dont have a degree in structural Engineering. their job is to assemble the structure and thats it. I dont think they should get the blame for doing their job.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: SugarD on August 15, 2011, 12:01:29 am
Very Cool in this storm in this Rock
Very cool? You do realize this is actual footage, right? Five people were killed...have some respect.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: EliteTerm on August 15, 2011, 02:40:01 am
The people who build these things are highschool educated and dont have a degree in structural Engineering. their job is to assemble the structure and thats it. I dont think they should get the blame for doing their job.

Are you kidding me? That structure is industrial, there's no way some students would assemble a stage like that without professional help.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Void on August 15, 2011, 03:17:56 am
I dont think it was the contractors fault or maybe a little bit, but did you notice that f**king wind?
So you're implying that poor assembly had nothing to do with it?
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: XSniper on August 15, 2011, 03:23:40 am
So you're implying that poor assembly had nothing to do with it?

I'm not completely saying that, but the wind played a part.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Dolfagr on August 15, 2011, 06:39:17 am
Wind could be predicted by forecasts. It wasn't predicted and that only shows that there were no safety measures taken and irresponsibility by hosts. The construction itself fell off like cardboard by a wind.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: Gandalf on August 15, 2011, 10:21:51 am
The base construction is not unsafe, the placement and closing the construction by huge sails made it vulnerable.
The main thing is that the location of such a construction plays a huge role in possible safety issues.
Build it inside a football stadium and it can stand with a lot of wind. Put the same on an open plain, maybe enhanced by a natural funnel and it goes down.
the simple fact that it was videotaped shows that it was probably already rattling, which leaves blame on the orginaizers for not securing the area in time.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 15, 2011, 11:33:58 pm
It was 70 mph winds... I mean what could knock a bunch of things over that aren't meant to withstand the force of that wind.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: SugarD on August 16, 2011, 12:10:59 am
It was 70 mph winds... I mean what could knock a bunch of things over that aren't meant to withstand the force of that wind.
By law in the United States, any building constructed must follow strict building codes and be inspected prior to use or inhabitance. If this building was properly built, it would have far succeeded the expectations of the weather. Most buildings these days can handle a low-grade hurricane or tornado, and fairly strong earthquakes too. This was obviously just built badly to begin with, and likely didn't even have an inspector check it before it's usage in the event. Regardless of the situation, at winds that high, the concert should not only have been cancelled, but with that building swaying so much, the area should have been evacuated immediately due to imminent danger of collapse. Those five deaths could have easily been prevented if those money-hungry bastards pulled their heads out of their asses and refunded people's tickets due to safety concerns. There is no excuse for this. The owners were just too greedy to call the event off.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: CaptainCrazy on August 16, 2011, 06:28:29 am
And like always women makes it sound/look ten times worse by screaming. Sad happening though, RIP.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: SugarD on August 16, 2011, 06:42:11 am
And like always women makes it sound/look ten times worse by screaming. Sad happening though, RIP.
Don't be sexist. People were screaming because they should have been. What do you expect them to do? Laugh? Five people died and over 40 were injured.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: CaptainCrazy on August 16, 2011, 06:54:28 am
Don't be sexist. People were screaming because they should have been. What do you expect them to do? Laugh? Five people died and over 40 were injured.

Still I stick with what I said and afterall I simply said what I thought about it all. You deserve a slap for giving such ridiculous and idiotic example though, obviously I wouldn't expect people to laugh but clearly it was running through your thoughts.
Title: Re: Indiana State Fair Collapse
Post by: SugarD on August 16, 2011, 07:32:42 am
Still I stick with what I said and afterall I simply said what I thought about it all. You deserve a slap for giving such ridiculous and idiotic example though, obviously I wouldn't expect people to laugh but clearly it was running through your thoughts.
It was an example to show how ridiculous your comment was saying that women automatically make a situation worse by screaming. Common sense says when people die, those surviving will scream at the sight. It also says that generalizing women is highly offensive, and you shouldn't do it.
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