Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: SugarD on September 03, 2011, 12:49:36 pm
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Linda Ellerbee, in association with Nick News, presented a show on television on September 1st for kids that were too young or yet to be born to teach them about what happened on September 11th, 2001. Although I do not agree with the facts that were given to us, even until today, this video shows a very detailed explanation (based on the general facts we know or believe) for those that were or still are too young to understand what happened nearly 10 years ago, resulting in one of the largest mass deaths in United States history. I found it, as it seems Nick News released it 3 days early onto the internet by mistake, and wanted to share it with some of our younger or confused users in order to give them an idea of what 9/11 is about, and why people are suddenly discussing it so much. Many people have been asking about it, not knowing what happened that day, so I feel this may help them. Feel free to check it out:
http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/nick-news-what-happened-the-true-story-of-september-11th-full-episode.html (http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/nick-news-what-happened-the-true-story-of-september-11th-full-episode.html)
Please note: It's 23 minutes, 29 seconds long, and contains some information that some users may find painful to watch or hear, especially if you were affected by the incidents.
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Pretty cool.
I still remember the day like yesterday. I was about 5 years old, sitting in the room playing with my matchboxes and then I believe the news intereruppted about every channel and I remember everyone crying and looking shocked so I turn the corner to look at the TV and see the plane hit the WTC. Honestly all I remember from, it's one of the very few things I can remember from my childhood.
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Can't watch it outside the States, which pretty much sucks.
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I found out about it in like 2009. I had no clue wtf happened.
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Can't watch it outside the States, which pretty much sucks.
Hopefully sometime after it's "official" release onto the internet on the 6th, someone will upload it to YouTube. It received quite a bit of praise, and even being 21 years old myself, I thought it was still pretty good. Surprisingly they even mentioned some of the government's mistakes relating to the WMD BS in Iraq, which surprised me. Most mass-media wouldn't dare teach that to kids because it makes the government look bad lol...
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If they actually connected the 9/11 attacks to what happened in Iraq, that is already a factual mistake.
If it will be available outside the US I will be happy to comment on what facts were turned and twisted, as my memory is not too shabby for an old guy... :gan:
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I was eight years old at the time of the attacks. What I could remember is watching a live emergency news broadcast (international news obviously, since I live in southeast asia) that showed the twin towers on fire. Then I saw the planes.
Requiescas in pace, those who died.
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If they actually connected the 9/11 attacks to what happened in Iraq, that is already a factual mistake.
If it will be available outside the US I will be happy to comment on what facts were turned and twisted, as my memory is not too shabby for an old guy... :gan:
I'm hoping it will be. Would love for everyone else to have access to it. In all honesty though, I personally believe 9/11 was a bunch of BS. I've seen way too much to believe what was in the government's so-called investigation :P
I was eight years old at the time of the attacks. What I could remember is watching a live emergency news broadcast (international news obviously, since I live in southeast asia) that showed the twin towers on fire. Then I saw the planes.
Requiescas in pace, those who died.
You make me feel so old now lol. I was 11 when it happened. I remember waking up that morning, wondering why my mom hadn't gotten me up yet. I went into her room to see what was going on as the news was showing that the first plane had just hit one of the WTC towers. My sister came in and we were watching it, and a couple minutes later, the second plane hit the other tower...on live news. I also remember one famous camera scene where a cameraman was near one of the towers as it collapsed. I found out around 9/11 last year that he was killed by the falling rubble, but I will admit his shot was definitely amazing. All you saw was dust and rubble in a giant cloud barreling towards the camera until it went blank.
Seeing what I've seen from that horrific day, it was definitely life-changing growing up. Still to this day I think about the aftermath of the Ground Zero scenes...emergency vehicles and bodies abandoned, covered in dust...people running by with masks on screaming and bleeding...it's a memory I will never be able to forget.
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Funny how such a ''terrorist act'' (violence) is excessively propaganda'ed yet games like Grand Theft Auto receive huge butthurt'ism because of its ''violent content''.
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Funny how such a ''terrorist act'' (violence) is excessively propaganda'ed yet games like Grand Theft Auto receive huge butthurt'ism because of its ''violent content''.
It's cause dumb people fear that other dumb people will re-enact the events in the game in real life, and go on a killing spree or run over an old lady with a station wagon. It's just sad :P
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Immortal Technique - Bush Knocked Down the Towers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gCwSSzFAp4#)
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Everyone who has ever played GTA:SA has flown an AT-400 or a Nevada into the Los Santos Star Tower.
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9/11 is actually the reason why GTA III has no flyable vehicles, and why MANY things were removed before the game's completion, eventually even causing many HQ graphics and awesome features yet to be completed to be removed due to the sudden time constraints thanks to the changes 9/11 brought about. These changes have even trickled down to other GTA games, including IV, and are still present today because of it. It's also the same reason why Liberty City in GTA IV doesn't have flyable planes. GTA III's Beta was amazing. There were so many things that would've put it ahead of it's time, including some rendered graphics that were good enough to compete with GTA IV...and 9/11 ruined it because the company didn't want to insult those killed and get sued.
@Que: Watch the movie online called "Loose Change" if you haven't already. I won't state my opinions here on what I believe happened, but with the things I've seen, including far beyond that movie, I'm disgusted to even exist in this world.
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Alright, I will. I'm currently watching "Zeitgeist - The Movie" right now.
It's about USA as well and all this shit, the start of it has been incredibly good if you haven't seen it.
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Alright, I will. I'm currently watching "Zeitgeist - The Movie" right now.
It's about USA as well and all this shit.
That's a great movie...definitely an eye-opener. Part II of it also contains some footage and narration from Loose Change.
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ITT: Propaganda
Also, Linda Ellerbee hasn't died yet? Someone needs to get rule 34 on her, right now.
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Alright, I will. I'm currently watching "Zeitgeist - The Movie" right now.
It's about USA as well and all this shit, the start of it has been incredibly good if you haven't seen it.
Two years ago almost:
Cofi-"If you want to watch a real documentary about it, watch Zeitgeist 1/2/3"
Que-"Nah it sucks I just watched the tralier."
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Zietgeist is a little too farfetched. It sounds like too much of the plot of a novel.
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Well the idea of Zeitgeist is to show the information in the most unbiased way possible, which is obviously nearly impossible given the fact that their information is denied by the U.S. Government as even existing, and overall they want you to build your own conclusions.
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Just watched the second part about nine eleven and it's quite frightening that the truth is still remained hidden. Most of the Americans still believe it was the terrorists, which is completely hilarious to be honest.
Two years ago almost:
Cofi-"If you want to watch a real documentary about it, watch Zeitgeist 1/2/3"
Que-"Nah it sucks I just watched the tralier."
Me two years ago couldn't be annoyed to even watch the trailer.
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Just watched the second part about nine eleven and it's quite frightening that the truth is still remained hidden. Most of the Americans still believe it was the terrorists, which is completely hilarious to be honest.
It goes much farther than most could even imagine, even beyond what that movie shows. All those government conspiracies that movies are made about barely even touch the truths hidden from the public.
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Zeitgeist is, like most conspiracy theories, too far fetched and large parts can be debunked by showing other footage. However it is good as a diversion from what really happened, as the truth would be more shocking to some.
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If it was indeed a setup by the US Government then it was the biggest atrocity a government has ever committed to it's citizens in the whole world. If there is concrete evidence that it was set up by US Government do you have an idea what will happen?
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If it was indeed a setup by the US Government then it was the biggest atrocity a government has ever committed to it's citizens in the whole world. If there is concrete evidence that it was set up by US Government do you have an idea what will happen?
Some heads of organizations will get fired, some countries will protest, and a lot of people will try to sue the already bankrupt US of A.
The President will declare that his Office was unaware, and the responsible service will tell that it was a necessary move in order to remove unwanted governments in the Middle East and point out that the number of casualties wwas lower as in the subsequent conflicts.
After one month of media hype, all will continue as it was.
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i mean...
This site sums everything up...
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)
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i mean...
This site sums everything up...
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)
I will agree that the dollar bill thing is just clever BS that someone came up with, as are many mysteries behind it's design, but the footage from 9/11 was not old. Much of it can be found from actual news cameras and recently released video under the FOIA which shows the stuff he simply zoomed in on. Regardless of any of this, the fact that the buildings were designed to take multiple planes at every angle suggests that something is wrong here. Even if you argue that back then they couldn't forsee a jet this large hitting it, you can't explain melted steel. Jet fuel, just like gasoline, in a liquid or air form will ignite and instantly burn up upon contact with fire. Even the explosion that causes would not be enough to melt steel. It's a few thousand degrees too cold for that. There are also many claims from building inspectors, designers, etc. that can even attest to the fact that the building came down demolition style, and the only way for that to be possible was if there were explosives lined along the shaft of the building's core. There's also no explanation for the clean-cut metal, or the small explosions seen alongside the buildings before their collapse. Even if you don't agree that it's a government conspiracy, it's still a clear fact that we were lied to about the truth. There's too much evidence disputing what the U.S. Government stated, and for that I will never forgive them.
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The metal used would begin to bend at 625 degrees, the temperature was around 800+ or so(if my memory is correct) Obviously if something bends it will collapse. the demolition style, well I can logically say that if you stack people and one broke they wouldn't fall to the side, they would fall straight down.
To be honest, I know the Government isn't always truthful, but what exactly would their reason be to lie about this event? And like the site said, why would they allow someone to live that could possibly expose their plans, I mean they already killed 3000, what's 1 or 2 more?
;)
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The metal used would begin to bend at 625 degrees, the temperature was around 800+ or so(if my memory is correct) Obviously if something bends it will collapse. the demolition style, well I can logically say that if you stack people and one broke they wouldn't fall to the side, they would fall straight down.
To be honest, I know the Government isn't always truthful, but what exactly would their reason be to lie about this event? And like the site said, why would they allow someone to live that could possibly expose their plans, I mean they already killed 3000, what's 1 or 2 more?
;)
If steel contains more than 0.021% carbon at steelmaking temperatures then it transforms into a face-centered cubic (FCC) structure, called austenite or y-iron. It is also soft and metallic but can dissolve considerably more carbon, as much as 2.1% carbon at 1,148 degrees C (2,098 degrees F), which reflects the upper carbon content of steel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel)
That is low-grade steel, and that is still hotter than the temperature of the explosions or fire. The WTC used high-grade construction steel.
To be honest, I know the Government isn't always truthful, but what exactly would their reason be to lie about this event? And like the site said, why would they allow someone to live that could possibly expose their plans, I mean they already killed 3000, what's 1 or 2 more?
Because they don't always kill someone who tries to expose them. Sometimes it looks better for them if a conspirist doesn't end up dead. There are more ways to cover something up than killing someone. That's why there are many known government conspiracies that still exist today.
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Stop talking about politics before I talk about religion.
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Stop talking about politics before I talk about religion.
We aren't discussing politics. We are discussing the World Trade Center's collapse and the ideas behind what really happened.
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We aren't discussing politics. We are discussing the World Trade Center's collapse and the ideas behind what really happened.
Which were politically motivated.
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Which were politically motivated.
As is everything in modern society.
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Personally I think the Jews did 9/11.
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Personally I think the Jews did 9/11.
And why do you believe this?
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Because they also killed Jesus.
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Because they also killed Jesus.
And where are your facts supporting their involvement in 9/11?
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And where are your facts supporting their involvement in 9/11?
Rockefeller. (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-rockefeller.html)
Jews. (http://www.iamthewitness.com/listeners/Jews.did.9-11--now.you.can.be.sure.htm)
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WTC building 7 period.
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WTC building 7 period.
Good point. That in itself is more than enough to show we were lied to.
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Am I the only one who doesn't care whether the US government did 9/11 or not?
Heck, when I found out about it on the day, it was the first time I'd even heard of or seen the buildings in my life, I didn't care then and unfortunately I find it fairly hard to do so now.
That said, I didn't even get that interested in 7/7 at the time, so maybe I'm just a generally apathetic dick.
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Am I the only one who doesn't care whether the US government did 9/11 or not?
Heck, when I found out about it on the day, it was the first time I'd even heard of or seen the buildings in my life, I didn't care then and unfortunately I find it fairly hard to do so now.
That said, I didn't even get that interested in 7/7 at the time, so maybe I'm just a generally apathetic dick.
It's not the loss of buildings that bothers us. It's the loss of life. We discuss how the buildings collapsed because we seek to find the truth about who caused it and why, not why the buildings themselves just fell.
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I personally don't give two shits if the US Government, the Jews, Al Qaeda, the Pope, or Jehovah's Witnesses did 9/11. Thousands of innocent people died, and it's a tragedy. I sympathize with those who lost a relative, friend, or significant other in 9/11, but personally I can't be arsed to believe in conspiracy theories and claims which have no more evidence than a couple of media reports and possibly fabricated documents.
People died ten years ago, and championing questionable claims will not bring them back.
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I personally don't give two shits if the US Government, the Jews, Al Qaeda, the Pope, or Jehovah's Witnesses did 9/11. Thousands of innocent people died, and it's a tragedy.
Indeed.
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That said, I didn't even get that interested in 7/7 at the time, so maybe I'm just a generally apathetic dick.
It didn't bother me at all to be honest. I've pretty much forgot about the incident - unless of course I see it mentioned or someone brings it up. I'm such a terrible person.
I personally don't give two shits if the US Government, the Jews, Al Qaeda, the Pope, or Jehovah's Witnesses did 9/11. Thousands of innocent people died, and it's a tragedy. I sympathize with those who lost a relative, friend, or significant other in 9/11, but personally I can't be arsed to believe in conspiracy theories and claims which have no more evidence than a couple of media reports and possibly fabricated documents.
People died ten years ago, and championing questionable claims will not bring them back.
I personally believe it was an inside job that was intended to act as a precursor event for... other things. But that's just my take on it.
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I personally believe it was an inside job that was intended to act as a precursor event for... other things. But that's just my take on it.
Although the specifics between our beliefs are likely different, the same general idea also somewhat applies to my beliefs about it.
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It's not the loss of buildings that bothers us. It's the loss of life. We discuss how the buildings collapsed because we seek to find the truth about who caused it and why, not why the buildings themselves just fell.
And that is ecaxtly the reason why the truth will never be exposed.
Who ordered to make the planes fly is of much less importance as why the buildings fell...
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And that is ecaxtly the reason why the truth will never be exposed.
You may never know, Truth is going to study in a field of movie making and if he fails, he may end up exposing himself in some xxx rated piece.