Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Antonio. on November 06, 2011, 02:29:21 pm
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So, as admins tell me in game, and as I also see myself, hydras are chasing suspects on NRG's, and suspects that are swimming. I mean, I guess this is allowed, I am not fully sure, but I guess it is...
If it is, I do not see why a aircraft needs to take down a motorbike. Lag ram, and drive-by do still exist... Also swimming? What's up with that? When a suspect is swimming and he is is trapped from all sides, he will be eventually taken down, or give up.
/discuss
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I don't agree on the Hydra / Hunter thing in any circumstance.
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The rights are classified for all agencies that use them, and the situation in which they can call them out will never be divulged with the public.
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Hydra is not allowed to chase NRG's. The porpuse of the HH is to disable (if needed) the NRG, not to kill the driver of it, there for hunter minigun is only allowed. As for swimming suspects thats strictly dissallowed, HH is only allowed to shoot to death suspects driving a boat or a plane. HH can respond if shoot at.
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I got clarified by a community leader that people have the rights to use the Hydra/Hunter are not allowed to kill swimming suspects. In that case they would abuse their rights.
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I got clarified by a community leader that people have the rights to use the Hydra/Hunter are not allowed to kill swimming suspects. In that case they would abuse their rights.
Acknowledged, thanks for the heads-up.
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If you see any using HH on a swimming suspect or rockets on a NRG report it to thier associated agency'.s
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Hydra/Hunter vs Suspects in Aircrafts /and Jetpack YES
Hydra/hunter vs Suspects swimming NO
my opinion
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Also i am wondering myself who is good enough to take down a swimming suspect with hydra :P
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Hydra is not allowed to chase NRG's. The porpuse of the HH is to disable (if needed) the NRG, not to kill the driver of it, there for hunter minigun is only allowed. As for swimming suspects thats strictly dissallowed, HH is only allowed to shoot to death suspects driving a boat or a plane. HH can respond if shoot at.
Why is the minigun even allowed? Other procedures still exist. Bringing a military aircraft against a motorbike is a little bit over the top, don't you think? Minigun should be allowed same way as HH is, for boats, and planes. Not for vehicles and such. To balance it out, let us suspects use BMX's then, let's see how good that minigun is against a BMX.
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let's see how good that minigun is against a BMX.
You know hunter minigun got auto target lock?
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Hell yeah. And trust me there are very strict regulations to allow hydra/ hunter usage. Leakage of such informations will cause serious abuse opportunity for evading criminals. Obviously that causes moan always... but that's the way it was always rolling. If you find shooting by hydra/hunter as any form of abuse towards you, just try here: http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=52.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=52.0), using /report to admins in this particular situation is pointless(as long as he's not just blasting everything moving around) cause as far as i know not many of them know hydra/ hunter regulations.
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i gona pay you 10$ if u tell the regulations Marcus :D Deal ?
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You can give me 10 mln. and i still won't. Also i know those one from like 1 month ago and i don't know if they ever been updated or not. I'm no longer commander.
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My opinion on the matter i only use H/H on aircrafts. We, the police, have boats to chase water suspects. For bikes, we also have bikes and SMG's. If you use a H/H on an NRG or boat suspect, you probably shouldn't be a cop.
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You realize police boat is not the fastest boat in game or it's news for you? Same goes for bike.
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You realize police boat is not the fastest boat in game or it's news for you? Same goes for bike.
With some strategy, it can be done. It's not all that hard. I mean Ben Samiir did it all by himself quite a few times.
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Whenever a Hunter is chasing an NRG, the only thing that goes trough the pilot's mind is "HURR DURR I CAN'T SHOOT! Imma use minigun with autoaim! That'll teach him!!"
Military aircraft should only be used against airborne suspects, and in extreme situations on boats. Not just "z0mfg he enter water bring in the hydra!!".
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Whenever a Hunter is chasing an NRG, the only thing that goes trough the pilot's mind is "HURR DURR I CAN'T SHOOT! Imma use minigun with autoaim! That'll teach him!!"
Military aircraft should only be used against airborne suspects, and in extreme situations on boats. Not just "z0mfg he enter water bring in the hydra!!".
I agree with you on this one, just what came in my mind also.
If the person who flies the Hydra/Hunter get shot they are allowed to shoot back.
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Hell yeah. And trust me there are very strict regulations to allow hydra/ hunter usage. Leakage of such informations will cause serious abuse opportunity for evading criminals. Obviously that causes moan always... but that's the way it was always rolling. If you find shooting by hydra/hunter as any form of abuse towards you, just try here: http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=52.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=52.0), using /report to admins in this particular situation is pointless(as long as he's not just blasting everything moving around) cause as far as i know not many of them know hydra/ hunter regulations.
How is people supposed to know when they are abused with such a delicate thing if they don't know the rules? I demand that everyone gets to know the rules stated by the SAPD as I already stated the FBI's ones. I will make this a court order if needed.
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yes a court order will even be placed if you do not even do this...
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Got chased and shot by a Hunter without shooting at it.
Got killed by a Hunter while swimming.
Is this allowed?
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Got chased and shot by a Hunter without shooting at it.
Got killed by a Hunter while swimming.
Is this allowed?
No, read previous posts :P
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I can't remember having any real issues with suspects complaining when I had HH rights.
It comes to mind when I called it out because Salmonella and his friend was in a Dodo, as I got behind him I noticed they were drive-bying me, so then our dogfight began. He flew in between the trees in Whetstone, I couldn't get a lock-on because the trees kept taking the lock off. I was holding back, but that was because it was so much fun, in the end I crashed into one of the trees and Salmonella had won. I didn't care about winning or losing, I was having a blast, both literally and figuratively.
However nowadays it feels like even the slightest thing will get it called out and they HAVE to win as FAST as possible. It comes to mind when the FBI has used it to blow up, at the very least, twenty people at Grove Street, including two cops(Me and Drix). I don't think there was any suspects there, but appearantly it was a "riot", which allowed them to murder everyone there.
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I think a court order is in need to force the regulations of the Heavy Air Rights - if anything I would of expected FBI to not release the regulations however they did! SAPD please share these with us as it's not just "Criminals" who'd like to know them!
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I remember the funny moment (for me anyway) when a certain SAPD Command Staff member broke regulations, so my brother aimed his weapon at them...they then got a hydra, suspected him for aiming at SAPD Command Staff, chased him down the road when he was in a car, and then copbanned him.
There needs to be more regulations, absolutely supported.
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SAPD will not reavile any Heavy air regulations/rules unless cleared by a discussion between Community leaders+ / Chiefs.
They are strict since ever implemented by our old APRD Commissioner ([R*]CBFasi). You cannot demand something that is stricted...
President Gandalf himself has approved the regulations/rules with the use of the heavy air. So has FBI, i don't know why FBI has reaviled such regulations/rules because it's also stricted as far as I'm concerned.
I'll keep you guys updated.
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SAPD will not reavile any Heavy air regulations/rules unless cleared by a discussion between Community leaders+ / Chiefs.
They are strict since ever implemented by our old APRD Commissioner ([R*]CBFasi). You cannot demand something that is stricted...
As you wish. Expect news from the community managers. You have lost all the respect from me.
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I am currently working on re-writing the rules so that everything is covered and clear, when that comes I will also be publishing rules for the police. These will be as they are now but clearly stated.
Amongst this will be a clear server rule for heavy air usage; I do not mind the SAPD keeping secrets but server rules will be known to everyone regardless of the SAPD's internal confidentiality policies. I will create this rule based upon what I already know and common sense, taking into account the essential aspect of game balance.
If the SAPD wants their own procedures taken into account, someone from their command should make contact with me. If no one does this I will make and publish a rule without consultation which may differ from the current procedures.
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Yeah, I agree...I don't see why regulations for Hunters/Hydras should be confidential anyway...its basically saying "We can do what we want as long as other SAPD Command doesn't mind", as there's nothing we can do about it, as we always get told that we don't know the regulations.
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Whenever a Hunter is chasing an NRG, the only thing that goes trough the pilot's mind is "HURR DURR I CAN'T SHOOT! Imma use minigun with autoaim! That'll teach him!!"
Military aircraft should only be used against airborne suspects, and in extreme situations on boats. Not just "z0mfg he enter water bring in the hydra!!".
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Cops have so much luxury things like much more right,they have speical aircraft and special vehicle. Now they need to make so we crimnal cant escape on NRG or swim,cmon guys let us have some luxury thing too.
I support suspect on NRG is right!!!!
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I just do not see any logic in letting an aircraft chase a motorbike. A few police cruisers can take it down easily, and by drivebying and shooting a NRG's tire, the driver of the NRG might as well give up since the NRG loses all it's control.
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Once I was chased by a Hunter on a boat and they didn't shoot, they landed it on the bridges and shot the boat instead - no idea why.. is it against any rule to use it on boats? Or they were just cool cops? :razz:
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Cops have so much luxury things like much more right,they have speical aircraft and special vehicle. Now they need to make so we crimnal cant escape on NRG or swim,cmon guys let us have some luxury thing too.
I support suspect on NRG is right!!!!
I support no returning, nuff said :lol:
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Supported about publicing hydra and hunter rules yet all of us are humans and the simple logic of argonath is suspects always gona complain about cops having somthing or doing somthing and cops always gona complain about suspects doing somthing having somthing. When this thing gona be clear out in nearest month gona fall in another complain with other bullshit,never end circle :lol:
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FBI has released the procedures for the reason this topic was made - To answer to people who ANNOYINGLY continue to question the rules of engagement... Which obviously did NOT work...
FBI's procedures were made by a server manager himself, we didn't make it.
So anyhow - I am not gonna waste my time re-posting it. Rather, I'll put it in a nutshell.
Don't wanna die? Do not step foot into a plane or boat, and do NOT fire upon a hunter / hydra.
And just because you exit the aircraft / boat after spotting the hydra / hunter does NOT mean you're safe... The pilot is STILL authorized to SHOOT if you do not stop fleeing for the sole fact that you WERE PREVIOUSLY in an aircraft / boat (However, if he's nice, he will warn you to stop before opening fire, tho not required). The sole reason of this is simple - FBI will NOT be playing the cat and mouse game by switching to land and air all the time. Too many people have gotten an aircraft, spotted hydra, jumped out... Once the hunter was dumped and ground units called in... They hop back in the aircraft AGAIN and take off.
Also note - Acts of terrorism are grounds for a hunter / hydra to be called out as a SHOW OF FORCE ONLY. It CANNOT fire unless fired upon by terrorists.
So if you're simply in a car, and did NOT open fire on a hunter / hydra.. You're should be safe. And YES we STRICTLY enforce these rules of engagement. Agents have been FIRED for abusing it.
So yeah, if you want change, take it up to the managers. Personally, I believe it's fine the way it is.
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Military aircraft should only be used against airborne suspects, and in extreme situations on boats. Not just "z0mfg he enter water bring in the hydra!!".
I thought surf-shooting could not be done on boats? If it really can't, then I have to say it's going to be a bothering situation...
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To Chase,as I stated above criminals will always complain same as cops so this annoying thing will never end ,human nature. :lol:
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I am currently working on re-writing the rules so that everything is covered and clear, when that comes I will also be publishing rules for the police. These will be as they are now but clearly stated.
Amongst this will be a clear server rule for heavy air usage; I do not mind the SAPD keeping secrets but server rules will be known to everyone regardless of the SAPD's internal confidentiality policies. I will create this rule based upon what I already know and common sense, taking into account the essential aspect of game balance.
If the SAPD wants their own procedures taken into account, someone from their command should make contact with me. If no one does this I will make and publish a rule without consultation which may differ from the current procedures.
Talk to you later on regarding this.
If you guys are still wondering why SAPD hasn't yet reavlied the regulations & policys. It's because we don't have a clear view from the President as he has approved it.
CBFasi made it clear that NO policy should be reaviled unless President approves so, with a discussion with the Chiefs. It's been like that since ever implemented.
We're happy to give out any regulation/policy after we can get a approval or an overview of the heavy usage. Please understand such circumstances.
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Talk to you later on regarding this.
If you guys are still wondering why SAPD hasn't yet reavlied the regulations & policys. It's because we don't have a clear view from the President as he has approved it.
CBFasi made it clear that NO policy should be reaviled unless President approves so, with a discussion with the Chiefs. It's been like that since ever implemented.
We're happy to give out any regulation/policy after we can get a approval or an overview of the heavy usage. Please understand such circumstances.
Deputy Chief Caltson, I was under the impression that certain members of SAPD Command have been able to use hunter/hydra rights for a while now...surely there must be some approved regulations in the interest of public safety.
I would argue that "reasonable force" would amalgamate with this in a fashion...using a hydra on a motorbike is excessive, but perhaps not so excessive if warned multiple times when flying a plane.
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Only people who are allowed to use H/H are:
- SAPD Deputy Chief(+)
- SWAT Commander
- FBI Division Chief(+)
As said once again, I'll explain somethings once everything is clear..
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FBI has released the procedures for the reason this topic was made - To answer to people who ANNOYINGLY continue to question the rules of engagement... Which obviously did NOT work...
FBI's procedures were made by a server manager himself, we didn't make it.
So anyhow - I am not gonna waste my time re-posting it. Rather, I'll put it in a nutshell.
Don't wanna die? Do not step foot into a plane or boat, and do NOT fire upon a hunter / hydra.
And just because you exit the aircraft / boat after spotting the hydra / hunter does NOT mean you're safe... The pilot is STILL authorized to SHOOT if you do not stop fleeing for the sole fact that you WERE PREVIOUSLY in an aircraft / boat (However, if he's nice, he will warn you to stop before opening fire, tho not required). The sole reason of this is simple - FBI will NOT be playing the cat and mouse game by switching to land and air all the time. Too many people have gotten an aircraft, spotted hydra, jumped out... Once the hunter was dumped and ground units called in... They hop back in the aircraft AGAIN and take off.
Also note - Acts of terrorism are grounds for a hunter / hydra to be called out as a SHOW OF FORCE ONLY. It CANNOT fire unless fired upon by terrorists.
So if you're simply in a car, and did NOT open fire on a hunter / hydra.. You're should be safe. And YES we STRICTLY enforce these rules of engagement. Agents have been FIRED for abusing it.
So yeah, if you want change, take it up to the managers. Personally, I believe it's fine the way it is.
Deal.
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FBI has released the procedures for the reason this topic was made - To answer to people who ANNOYINGLY continue to question the rules of engagement... Which obviously did NOT work...
FBI's procedures were made by a server manager himself, we didn't make it.
So anyhow - I am not gonna waste my time re-posting it. Rather, I'll put it in a nutshell.
Don't wanna die? Do not step foot into a plane or boat, and do NOT fire upon a hunter / hydra.
And just because you exit the aircraft / boat after spotting the hydra / hunter does NOT mean you're safe... The pilot is STILL authorized to SHOOT if you do not stop fleeing for the sole fact that you WERE PREVIOUSLY in an aircraft / boat (However, if he's nice, he will warn you to stop before opening fire, tho not required). The sole reason of this is simple - FBI will NOT be playing the cat and mouse game by switching to land and air all the time. Too many people have gotten an aircraft, spotted hydra, jumped out... Once the hunter was dumped and ground units called in... They hop back in the aircraft AGAIN and take off.
Also note - Acts of terrorism are grounds for a hunter / hydra to be called out as a SHOW OF FORCE ONLY. It CANNOT fire unless fired upon by terrorists.
So if you're simply in a car, and did NOT open fire on a hunter / hydra.. You're should be safe. And YES we STRICTLY enforce these rules of engagement. Agents have been FIRED for abusing it.
So yeah, if you want change, take it up to the managers. Personally, I believe it's fine the way it is.
Most of us actually thought this, but once seeing in game that these air crafts were used against bikes and swimming suspects, WHO DID NOT ENGAGE AGAINST THE AIR CRAFTS, we needed a clarification of what is really up... And it seems pretty stupid that FBI and SAPD has their different regulations, even more stupid that SAPD doesn't tell us their regulations.
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The only purpose of using hunter / hydra should be when the suspect is drivin on a boat or in the air with a helicopter / airplane. Yes, even if it doesn't make him escape. That stil should not mean that they are permitted to assassinate suspects with H/H all the time. If that turns to be stereotypical during these kinds of pursuits, I can see that it will just escalate and lead to Hunter and Hydra forbidden entirely.
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I am currently working on re-writing the rules so that everything is covered and clear, when that comes I will also be publishing rules for the police. These will be as they are now but clearly stated.
Amongst this will be a clear server rule for heavy air usage; I do not mind the SAPD keeping secrets but server rules will be known to everyone regardless of the SAPD's internal confidentiality policies. I will create this rule based upon what I already know and common sense, taking into account the essential aspect of game balance.
If the SAPD wants their own procedures taken into account, someone from their command should make contact with me. If no one does this I will make and publish a rule without consultation which may differ from the current procedures.
This will be good to read, Kojak is working to update the rules abit.
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Now where the period begins with rules being edited, why not starting a survey with asking people what they'd like to implement / remove / edit about rules? It would be a little more polite if we wouldn't remain as voiceless and finally share our thoughts instead. Doesn't have to be a direct question like "what do you want added?" , rather what concerns us and what we would like to see a little different, hm?
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There is reason why we do not have full freedoom of speach about how "rules" have to be ,either way people would try make them towards they advance like criminals towards cops or cops towards criminal,there is server leaders for reason and they only are fully right decide about any based rule to make it fear whitout any motions towards dark force or good force. :D
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There is reason why we do not have full freedoom of speach about how "rules" have to be ,either way people would try make them towards they advance like criminals towards cops or cops towards criminal,there is server leaders for reason and they only are fully right decide about any based rule to make it fear whitout any motions towards dark force or good force. :D
Doesn't have to be a direct question like "what do you want added?" , rather what concerns us and what we would like to see a little different
As said above, just mentioning what we feel as impolite.
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As said above, just mentioning what we feel as impolite.
We are gaming community people will never be nicely and express what "Little" different they wish to see in Argo,instead they will rage about things giving them advance.
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Well it's worth a try though.
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Now where the period begins with rules being edited, why not starting a survey with asking people what they'd like to implement / remove / edit about rules?
There's a very good reason we're not allowed to sway decisions regarding rules.
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What for they need to be released anyway? I mean Argo citizens can't spawn hydra/ hunter anyway so obliviously posting those rules here will have same point as posting regulations about usage of Rhino tank.
The reason why they are hidden is much more simple: expose of those rights will create perfect abuse opportunity. Did you ever wonder why SWAT/ FBI lead never evades with airplanes? They know rules of it so it will be easy for them to escape(they know who exactly and at which location can spawn it, when it can and can't shoot)
If you feel abused anyhow by hydra/ hunter you can just go and report it on arpd.argonathrpg.com, same as everything else.
If FBI really want to release their rights... it's up to them to do it. But what for they asking SAPD to do the same? I don't think there are some new regulations for it or anything, it's just the fact of staff which can use it is now more active.
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Indeed,people can't here demand publicity of anything wich been locked for a reason,we can't read admin topics for a reason not cause they want so,you can't read arpd topics from sapd rank + and there is reason for that either,just face that demand everything won't change anything anyway.
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The Hunter should not be in the server at all. The Hydra, on the other hand, should be(and is) used to take down aircraft harboring suspects.
>Suspect in boat - Police DB from Launch.
>Suspect on bike - Police DB from whatever vehicle.
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The Hunter should not be in the server at all. The Hydra, on the other hand, should be(and is) used to take down aircraft harboring suspects.
>Suspect in boat - Police DB from Launch.
>Suspect on bike - Police DB from whatever vehicle.
Squeak it just turns to regular type of topic where veteran criminals say view points about how SAPD/FBI suppose to work or what they suppose use and in wich specific circumstances,or SAPD members complaining how criminals suppose to act,react and never ending topic with unhappy people .
:ps: Hunter have rights open fire on NRG only if suspect before was airborn so,if you flew with shamal and then went for ground and jumped on nrg and if there is no prity much chances catch you up or you are wanted for murder/murders ,they only then open fire on you , I hope it made you feel better and other people thinking they receive rockets for no reason on nrg.
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Squeak it just turns to regular type of topic where veteran criminals say view points about how SAPD/FBI suppose to work or what they suppose use and in wich specific circumstances,or SAPD members complaining how criminals suppose to act,react and never ending topic with unhappy people .
:ps: Hunter have rights open fire on NRG only if suspect before was airborn so,if you flew with shamal and then went for ground and jumped on nrg and if there is no prity much chances catch you up or you are wanted for murder/murders ,they only then open fire on you , I hope it made you feel better and other people thinking they receive rockets for no reason on nrg.
Yeah, but the Hunter is soooo laaaammeee. It's like using an LMG... to camp.... on any FPS... ever.
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hunter is dm tool!!!!
it is mading for sure in a kill, police is job is not kill ok?
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Multiple criminals got ping higher than 300, SAPD in exchange to criminals can't shoot regular civilians. Imagine hydra shooting criminal with jetpack. I just proved that hunter IS needed. Any more to moan about?
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Multiple criminals got ping higher than 300, SAPD in exchange to criminals can't shoot regular civilians. Imagine hydra shooting criminal with jetpack. I just proved that hunter IS needed. Any more to moan about?
Yes, Hunter is for those who don't know teamwork or fail at teamwork(I'm not including planes, choppers)
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hunter is dm tool!!!!
it is mading for sure in a kill, police is job is not kill ok?
Ness if you wasn't aware we have complicated rule wich bigest hater is me and rule is ... "Every SAPD member have to respond on c30 backup call if somone request it over radio " ,failure to do so leads to suspension and even copban. So you people were always asking AMG why cops only kill,kill and kill,why they not let us RP and such...cause afther all we are following regulations made before by chiefs and we can't do much about it,same regulations are to hydra . It's order to respond on request either way face consiquences and it's not like I'm happy all day long chase suspects wanted for murder instead build up amazing roleplay and have roleplay traffic stops about violations ,I am forced neither as Hydra user respond to bloody backup call with criminal on nrg wanted for murder caused by both partys,wich flew before airborn . It's just an regulation we have to obey and as far we all won't resign and be army of freecops,we can't have decent freedoom and our own choice.
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Multiple criminals got ping higher than 300, SAPD in exchange to criminals can't shoot regular civilians. Imagine hydra shooting criminal with jetpack. I just proved that hunter IS needed. Any more to moan about?
Your arguments are so horrible, I am about to fucking puke. "Herp I blame the ping so they stop m0aning then I add the last sentence, Any more to moan about?".
Honestly, SAPD and FBI high ranks are supposed to be professional. I mean, how do you even imagine that it is professional to use a fucking military big ass minigun to take down a fucking bike? Do it like a man, like SRU did, it took me 3 seconds to pop a NRG tire when I were DBing. (inb4 OMG SRU DM GROUP THEY ONLY DM NO RP)
SAPD should get rustlers. And nothing else. With a rustler there is NOT auto aim, it is NOT overpowered, you have to have the proper skills to use it. They should change the rules so they can only shoot someone who shot the plane, or someone who is in the AIR, after x amount of warnings. Also, they could get the police boat, with almost same regulations, ONLY on boats after x amount warnings or if someone shot the boat, of course. RUSTLER is not allowed to be used on people in water AT ALL.
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Your arguments are so horrible, I am about to f**king puke. "Herp I blame the ping so they stop m0aning then I add the last sentence, Any more to moan about?".
Honestly, SAPD and FBI high ranks are supposed to be professional. I mean, how do you even imagine that it is professional to use a f**king military big ass minigun to take down a f**king bike? Do it like a man, like SRU did, it took me 3 seconds to pop a NRG tire when I were DBing. (inb4 OMG SRU DM GROUP THEY ONLY DM NO RP)
SAPD should get rustlers. And nothing else. With a rustler there is NOT auto aim, it is NOT overpowered, you have to have the proper skills to use it. They should change the rules so they can only shoot someone who shot the plane, or someone who is in the AIR, after x amount of warnings. Also, they could get the police boat, with almost same regulations, ONLY on boats after x amount warnings or if someone shot the boat, of course. RUSTLER is not allowed to be used on people in water AT ALL.
Gandalfs pm and Chiefs are opened and idea section,Mark have nothing to do with rules neither hydra so point him out your view point is not giving anything.
:ps: Guys relise strike on specific officers is useless ,you have to go for president or chief if you aint happy about rules and there point it out,as for abusing it,you witness,you screen,you open report and if report is valid actions will be taken .
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I'm sure rustlers have a limited auto-aim, sorry to burst the bubble.
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I my self support rustler if we gona start roleplay world of war 2 :lol:
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Your arguments are so horrible, I am about to f**king puke. "Herp I blame the ping so they stop m0aning then I add the last sentence, Any more to moan about?".
Honestly, SAPD and FBI high ranks are supposed to be professional. I mean, how do you even imagine that it is professional to use a f**king military big ass minigun to take down a f**king bike? Do it like a man, like SRU did, it took me 3 seconds to pop a NRG tire when I were DBing. (inb4 OMG SRU DM GROUP THEY ONLY DM NO RP)
SAPD should get rustlers. And nothing else. With a rustler there is NOT auto aim, it is NOT overpowered, you have to have the proper skills to use it. They should change the rules so they can only shoot someone who shot the plane, or someone who is in the AIR, after x amount of warnings. Also, they could get the police boat, with almost same regulations, ONLY on boats after x amount warnings or if someone shot the boat, of course. RUSTLER is not allowed to be used on people in water AT ALL.
If you are so great and brave in making up ideas for SAPD why don't you join it on your own and see how it is?
Also if reading something makes you puke, why you even doing it? Constant throw-up's might cause serious stomach dysfunction in future and this is just PC game... You shouldn't worry that much.
+ using violence language in international forum is something that makes discussion no longer interesting for certain groups of people, if you want to build up correct argument avoid that kind of language.
Correct argument for discussion:
Auto-aim prevents pilot from shooting anything more than what he wants to, that means they not shooting innocent civilians if some of them will appear. SAPD have to worry about this also.
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If you are so great and brave in making up ideas for SAPD why don't you join it on your own and see how it is?
Also if reading something makes you puke, why you even doing it? Constant throw-up's might cause serious stomach dysfunction in future and this is just PC game... You shouldn't worry that much.
+ using violence language in international forum is something that makes discussion no longer interesting for certain groups of people, if you want to build up correct argument avoid that kind of language.
Correct argument for discussion:
Auto-aim prevents pilot from shooting anything more than what he wants to, that means they not shooting innocent civilians if some of them will appear. SAPD have to worry about this also.
I have been in SAPD, both you and I know. When SRU tried to change something, did it as professional as SAPD ever were, as effective as possible, the rules changed. Everything we did, there came a regulation against it, just because certain people in the command staff disliked SRU. They started to listen to the moaners, believing every single shit they said. "DM Squad, non RPers, herpderp". SAPD honestly turned into shit after they changed the fucking regulations due to moaners and butthurt people as high ranks in SAPD, being jealous on our team, because we succeeded, we made a change, kept the streets "safe". We were effective. Without using miniguns and rockets. It started for us, we bought every single weapon we had, SRU and all those other teams, like USM got promoted to SWAT, we got free weaponequip for out patrols. CBF and Jimmy didnt know we were not allowed to weaponequip, so I got fired from SWAT, 10 minutes later I were back in. Next day, regulations changed, no longer weaponequips for us, we didnt care. We kept doing our stuff untill regulations once again changed, we had to get back to the old shitty SWAT tactics that you most likely still use, which doesnt work at all, they are complete shit. We were not allowed to use our buffalos anymore, only SAPD cruisers, fair enough, we made huge patrols with them, had over 30 officers on patrols daily, every single of them had a task. We made it perfect, cleaned up the streets, a few of them got weaponequiped. This was looked at as abuse, Ben got demoted. So we started paying the officers we had with us on patrols. Usually 1-5k so they could afford armour, smg and a SPAS-12. We teached them how to work, teached them tactics, everything we could to to make it easier for them to survive. Most of us got inactive, SAPD went into where it is now, a bunch of random officers with no common sense.
Over and out.
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Jack
[/quote] Doesn't matters how proud member you been of SRU,how well they did or not,the point we got rules to follow you can't acuse us,if you feel complicated about cmd staff and claiming they are corupt,bring evidence and report to server leaders not blame SAPD for begin retardet cause you no liek it anymore . In SRU you worked same ,follow your SRU rules or face consiquences from Ben,same for us follow SAPD rules or face consiquences,don't be so complicated Jack and stop begin ignorant farkos and blame everyone around you for having such rules even tho most of your text was already about how SRU WAS INB4 and how SAPD sux even tho have nothing to do with hydra it,neither hunter as far they aint codenamed to SRU :lol:
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SAPD went into where it is now, a bunch of random officers with no common sense.
That's exactly what I've been saying for almost a year! Well, not everyone, but decision-making and common sense is being taken out of the equation, to be replaced by regulations which keep our arms twisted behind our backs. With correct training, regulations should not even be needed. It seems they are in place to cover insufficient training, and needs to be changed.
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That's exactly what I've been saying for almost a year! Well, not everyone, but decision-making and common sense is being taken out of the equation, to be replaced by regulations which keep our arms twisted behind our backs. With correct training, regulations should not even be needed. It seems they are in place to cover insufficient training, and needs to be changed.
Exactly.
Jack
Doesn't matters how proud member you been of SRU,how well they did or not,the point we got rules to follow you can't acuse us,if you feel complicated about cmd staff and claiming they are corupt,bring evidence and report to server leaders not blame SAPD for begin retardet cause you no liek it anymore . In SRU you worked same ,follow your SRU rules or face consiquences from Ben,same for us follow SAPD rules or face consiquences,don't be so complicated Jack and stop begin ignorant farkos and blame everyone around you for having such rules even tho most of your text was already about how SRU WAS INB4 and how SAPD sux even tho have nothing to do with hydra it,neither hunter as far they aint codenamed to SRU :lol:
I dont claim them being corrupt or anything, they are just leading it in the wrong direction. Of course they are allowed to do so, but it only makes them worse for themself. Of course, we worked like SAPD did, we followed the SRU rules and we were in, we didnt follow them, we went on the ass our of SRU. We had trainings, usefull trainings, not those trainings where you go to Fort Carson and shoot at those things that breaks when shot. Neither those breaching trainings which does not work at all. Stacking up at a wall, fair enough, its a little more organized. But when you get into the building, stacking up, all onto a wall walking slowly in, simply doesnt work, you will get spawnkilled. It actually has something to do with hydras and hunters, we took down bikes and planes without using hydra and hunter, we used a dodo and DB on planes / helis.
kthxbai
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This topic's original purpose was NOT to moan but discuss the rules, as it seems that discussion is no longer present i will lock this.
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