- Trolls
Oh yeah, our fantastic wannabe SA:MP trolls. Wherever you're looking, you will find one. None of them are clever, that's the funny part. It's only a bunch of hard-headed computer dudes with these big glasses somewhere in the dark forest, trying to find themselves. Anyway, this "type" of trolling had its peak almost two years ago, and is nowadays pretty usual to see in each topic. For me, this type of behaviour should not be tolerated, whether it's in-game or on the forum.
- SA:MP General
This category was the main section of the forum almost a year ago. If you look at it now, the only thing I see is locked topics and random bots spamming our precious forum. It's almost like the Nevada desert. Every topic (almost) is being locked whenever an argument comes up, or whenever any sort of confrontation/disagreement pops up.
- Politics and Religion
Another amusing category that pretty much got removed by racism and arguments. This category was even though the hard words, the best category within this community. Why? Because it was simply about something else than Grand Theft Auto, it was about important and world-wide stuff.
- "Hello" Topics
Nowadays, every hello topic is made by Box3r (yo bro), iMunna or Junaid (yo bro). What happened to all these REAL new players who actually wrote "hello"-topics to get a friendly puff on their shoulder? We frankly embraced these fellow new players whenever they entered the forum in the past, now I see an obnoxious attitude,
- Unban Requests Section [SA:MP]
In the late past, we were able to post our thoughts in unban requests, comment and discuss whether we had something to say that was important. To be sincere, there was a lot of unnecessary "good lucks" and cross-eyed incidents here as well. But it was also a very good way to express what you had to say. Another alternative could be to ban or obscure just this part of the forum for the people who could not behave properly in this section.
- Trolls
Oh yeah, our fantastic wannabe SA:MP trolls. Wherever you're looking, you will find one. None of them are clever, that's the funny part. It's only a bunch of hard-headed computer dudes with these big glasses somewhere in the dark forest, trying to find themselves. Anyway, this "type" of trolling had its peak almost two years ago, and is nowadays pretty usual to see in each topic. For me, this type of behaviour should not be tolerated, whether it's in-game or on the forum.
It has always amazed me how lots and lots of people apply for moderator, however fail to help new players with basic questions like "how do I change my skin?"..
It has always amazed me how lots and lots of people apply for moderator, however fail to help new players with basic questions like "how do I change my skin?"..:lol:
Back to the topic in hand. Why is this posted in the SA:MP section when there are other points that regard the Argonath community as a whole?It was posted here because the largest part of this community is SA:MP players. It was also posted under this section just to make people use it again.
:lol:I rather see harder rules and more people banned for misbehaviour than closing and locking.
About the politican part, I myself thinking it's pretty 'fun' to discuss it. But the world today isn't up for discussions, we can't think other thoughts without to be called moaners. Forums are created for discussions, then why can't we discuss? I understand if the discussions turning to personally harrasments and similar things but atleast let us discuss about something...
I rather see harder rules and more people banned for misbehaviour than closing and locking.
For example, if a new player joins and asks how to be a cop - no regular will pick him up and explain him basic rules how should cop work be done.
Topics are locked when the question or questions have been answered in such cases there is no need to keep such a topic open.I know.
They are also locked when a topic is going far off track and will quite clearly never go back on track.I know.
I'm still sticking to my guns that this should be in speakerbox as the community doesn't consist of SA:MP only players however large the base is over here.Please let us continue with our thoughts instead of replying to move the topic, just like you did above this line. :)
If the community in general can't handle a mature conversation, I can understand. If it's the same two or three people saying "your religion is crap," then I see no reason why not to delete their posts and ban them. Same with unban requests.Yeah, exactly. That's what I meant.
Agreed with the other points made.
If you want me to be really honest, fine. I am literally FED UP of the respect shown by various members within this community. I mean, its not just me but anyone that has a bad past, why do people seem to be 'one-opinioned' if you know what I'm saying. Its such a devastating fact that most of the community judge a player and stick to that judgement, without any possibility of giving another player a chance. Don't you think its unfair? Judging a person from their past? People change. This is not just about me because I've actually got alot of sympathy for other players who've got bad past. This needs to change. You can either respect everyone or get the f**k out. So what if I've got a bad past? Move on. Just like a really close friend told me yesterday via MSN chat. My dad died 5 years ago, I'm over it. You cant keep living for the past. Well, same as this.You have been crying about this for far too long. That's maybe why people continue on doing it.
Want to really know why I made 121344 accoutns in the past? Because of YOUR respect towards ME. No one deserves that.
/cooldown
Elaborate on that..As in, you brought up you not being treated fairly and with less respect because you used to be a well known ban evader.
I agree, the community need stronger leadership. Where would we be without Kojak at the moment?Kojak's great in my opinion. When was he appointed as leader?
I agree, the community need stronger leadership. Where would we be without Kojak at the moment?Well said.
Kojak's great in my opinion. When was he appointed as leader?
If you want me to be really honest, fine. I am literally FED UP of the respect shown by various members within this community. I mean, its not just me but anyone that has a bad past, why do people seem to be 'one-opinioned' if you know what I'm saying. Its such a devastating fact that most of the community judge a player and stick to that judgement, without any possibility of giving another player a chance. Don't you think its unfair? Judging a person from their past? People change. This is not just about me because I've actually got alot of sympathy for other players who've got bad past. This needs to change. You can either respect everyone or get the f**k out. So what if I've got a bad past? Move on. Just like a really close friend told me yesterday via MSN chat. My dad died 5 years ago, I'm over it. You cant keep living for the past. Well, same as this.Let me tell you a little story about myself.
Want to really know why I made 121344 accoutns in the past? Because of YOUR respect towards ME. No one deserves that.
It's a shame that always a 'member' of the community must speak about this, but the 'leaders' or may I say the people in charge, never take any action to do something.I have to agree.
It's always the same thing, somebody will ask something like this, then most will agree, but as always, action is never taken. If that could be changed by the leaders them self, than a change would be able to happen to the current 'inactivity' or situation with the constant in our days, 'trolls'.
I agree, the community need stronger leadership. Where would we be without Kojak at the moment?As said to you on MSN, I see Kojak as one perfect example of a great leader.
Want to really know why I made 121344 accoutns in the past? Because of YOUR respect towards ME. No one deserves that.
I agree, the community need stronger leadership. Where would we be without Kojak at the moment?Kojak has always been a great administrator and addition to the community. If I'm not mistaken, he used to handle the community e-mail, handling complaints and reports. But, one man cannot do it alone.
Kojak's been here from the very first moments of Argonath.. he was playing together with RON and Ronnel on a previous community they used to play at. Mostly known today as a rival of Argonath.Err... what I meant to say was, when did he return?
How about some points regarding the game itself...
First, attitude towards new players.
When new players first join they're mostly ignored. If they ask for help, they're just dismissed with only mentioning a related command (if answered at all). For example, if a new player joins and asks how to be a cop - no regular will pick him up and explain him basic rules how should cop work be done. Yet even if a player manages to go on /duty and shoot someone (not knowing the rules, because no one explained to him), he will instantly be called an "abuser", as if he's breaking the rules on purpose. Most players are just ignorant and will blame the cops or admins for not teaching players, though they are first to moan about abusers.
The problem lies with the members of the Community, NOT the Administration.You cannot put all of the blame on the players and completely disregard the influence of administrators that might've negatively affected the community's disposition.
Err... what I meant to say was, when did he return?
Its such a devastating fact that most of the community judge a player and stick to that judgement, without any possibility of giving another player a chance.
Want to really know why I made 121344 accoutns in the past? Because of YOUR respect towards ME. No one deserves that.
- SA:MP General
This category was the main section of the forum almost a year ago. If you look at it now, the only thing I see is locked topics and random bots spamming our precious forum. It's almost like the Nevada desert. Every topic (almost) is being locked whenever an argument comes up, or whenever any sort of confrontation/disagreement pops up.
- Politics and Religion
Another amusing category that pretty much got removed by racism and arguments. This category was even though the hard words, the best category within this community. Why? Because it was simply about something else than Grand Theft Auto, it was about important and world-wide stuff.
- "Hello" Topics
Nowadays, every hello topic is made by Box3r (yo bro), iMunna or Junaid (yo bro). What happened to all these REAL new players who actually wrote "hello"-topics to get a friendly puff on their shoulder? We frankly embraced these fellow new players whenever they entered the forum in the past, now I see an obnoxious attitude, example: Click me!
- Unban Requests Section [SA:MP]
In the late past, we were able to post our thoughts in unban requests, comment and discuss whether we had something to say that was important. To be sincere, there was a lot of unnecessary "good lucks" and cross-eyed incidents here as well. But it was also a very good way to express what you had to say. Another alternative could be to ban or obscure just this part of the forum for the people who could not behave properly in this section.
- Trolls
Oh yeah, our fantastic wannabe SA:MP trolls. Wherever you're looking, you will find one. None of them are clever, that's the funny part. It's only a bunch of hard-headed computer dudes with these big glasses somewhere in the dark forest, trying to find themselves. Anyway, this "type" of trolling had its peak almost two years ago, and is nowadays pretty usual to see in each topic. For me, this type of behaviour should not be tolerated, whether it's in-game or on the forum.
Personally I think they're useful, my wife wants Ugg boots for Christmas so the spam provides a reminder that will help me stay out of trouble. :lol::lol:
:lol:
I find it funny when I see the viagra ones...which reminds me of a joke!
What happened to the man who got viagra stuck in his throat? ;)
What happened to the man who got viagra stuck in his throat? ;)He had a stiff neck for hours :D
Although Que has separated the problems into distinct categories, they are really all the same problem;It was separated into categories to let people see it from one wider aspect.
All of us are the community and all of us are responsible for shaping its future.That is whatsoever true, but it is still the higher ranked people who set and decide what's right and wrong within the community.
I highly doubt /jobcop /jobdriver /jobthis /jobthat scripts teach a player to seek some interaction in forums.When I first started to play here, the forum was like a second home for me. Unfortunately that spirit has slowly extinguished by time. I find it important to get this spirit back to the community that was known for its exceptional forum.
I believe that is because irrelevant goodlucks and opinions hamper the managers when they have to click page to page back and forth all the time when they need to bring the pieces of an unban process together to make their decision... To issue a ''bullshit = mute'' policy would increase admins workload don't you think?It has its up and down. Even though the section was frankly spammed with "good lucks", it was also a way to let the community somehow; be a part of the requests. It is, of course, higher ranked's main work to take care of these unban requests, nonetheless there are always some cases you would like to post to express your opinion. By cancelling the way of showing expressions in the section is not always the best way to react.
If you are being trolled then you are seeking their attention (unintentionally or not)...The thing is that we have no real trolls. We got a bunch of kids who are trying to become something by wiggling around the forum and in-game, posting repeated abbreviations and memes. This is not trolling, nor an appropriate attitude.
That is whatsoever true, but it is still the higher ranked people who set and decide what's right and wrong within the community.Everyone wants to see a "foot setting down". That's great because it shows us the players want a change in a certain aspect of the community, but we had seen through the past that imposing strict sanction rises nothing but rebellion and increases troll attempting/moaning.
About the attitude, we all have to take our throw. Just as you said; people who are obviously seeking for attention with writing "umad" and other retarded abbreviations could easily be ignored, yet again; there are too many people caring about these attention seekers, which means the problem will continue until someone puts down the foot.
When I first started to play here, the forum was like a second home for me. Unfortunately that spirit has slowly extinguished by time. I find it important to get this spirit back to the community that was known for its exceptional forum.This is a common sentence. If you observe carefully, every player that had been playing here for a year or so will call that year "golden, great" or such. Nothing unusual.
It has its up and down. Even though the section was frankly spammed with "good lucks", it was also a way to let the community somehow; be a part of the requests. It is, of course, higher ranked's main work to take care of these unban requests, nonetheless there are always some cases you would like to post to express your opinion. By cancelling the way of showing expressions in the section is not always the best way to react.If the management of the said server would allow members to contact them through PM (not only for possible evidence against) but for a remark on the banned player, it would be great. I believe that would exclude the "good luck" problem. This way, the members can help shape management opinion on the banned player.
This is a common sentence. If you observe carefully, every player that had been playing here for a year or so will call that year "golden, great" or such. Nothing unusual.In addition to this being an usual sentence, the forum; which was the largest and most interesting detail within this community is less populated than before, also less interesting than before. In whatever way you decide to turn the mirror, you will no matter what; face this fact. Argonath has decreased in popularity on the forum, and in my opinion, that's something we have to change quickly. Make the spirit free again, make the forum addictive to people.
If the management of the said server would allow members to contact them through PM (not only for possible evidence against) but for a remark on the banned player, it would be great.Why through a personal message? Once again, this shows the integration problem the community is currently facing.
Contribute with ideas, thoughts or whatsoever to give the community itself a boost once again.It doesn't need one.
-There's a 'change of generation' at the Community. Last 12-15 months, Argonath has lost a huge amount of veteran older players, for many reasons, and some new younger guys have shown up, most of which are still not developed as a players( many of them as a person also), there's no new ideas, new businesses, new types of roleplays, or anything new that I saw from them, do they need more time or what I dont know but they do not posses much enthusiasm, originality, imagination, they simply 'accept' and adjust themselves to the way groups on Argo are functioning, without the will to try creating something totally different.This is true.
There's simply no any people with new vision and ideas among the 'new' players like it used to be: Que, Frank Hawk, Mario Rinna, Panda, Maxy, Jimmy Cuneo, CBF, Hank, NitrOx, Daniel, Joey, Urs, Romeo, Myself, Eugene etc, and this is just comapring to last year. The only new guy I met that actually has the potential, knowlege and new ideas is Gavino, that's one guy 'against' 15-20 who left during 12-15 months period.
AI blame those who keep making "events" because they don't have anything to do with their money after farming up a fortune.The whole rotation is completely out of bounds, and I believe the reset in RS5 will do good. If not higher ups decides to make a list of lottos/paydays, and we are back to the same square once again.
It doesn't need one.The "it was better before"-way of speaking is indeed usual, as I stated earlier in this topic. In my opinion, you can't obscure the fact that some sort of disease has hit the community. Some individuals might get along with it, nonetheless I cannot be pleased with something I know could be far better than nowadays, therefore I made the topic.
I like the way things are today. You don't always have to put your old dog down or try to ease its pain. It can die on its own.
In my opinion, you can't obscure the fact that some sort of disease has hit the community. Some individuals might get along with it, nonetheless I cannot be pleased with something I know could be far better than nowadays, therefore I made the topic.Well, you can't always get what you want.
Well, you can't always get what you want.The purpose was not to get anything from my side, but I find it important to have an open discussion.
It is not impossible to fix but it would involve banning easily 55-60% of people on server. Not that that may be a problem, can always have better people joining the server. But it is accepted that there are assholes everywhere on the planet, even in the virtual world. A long leash has been given, when it runs out, they are shown the door for a long time.Would you like to be the first person on that list? : )
Argonath believes in friendship, it is one of the pillars of the server...as one player rightly put it "we are one big dysfunctional family".
The purpose was not to get anything from my sideYou do want the "disease" "cured", don't you?
You do want the "disease" "cured", don't you?It is obviously the community itself that gains something outta it.
Que, the problem by itself is easy to identify. It is money, just like in the real world.It does not understand nor see the connection between this problem and virtual money.
It does not understand nor see the connection between this problem and virtual money.If I'm not mistaken, I suppose that he refers to money as a problem because people prefer money over joy. They infact play for high numbers which is no longer fun.
It does not understand nor see the connection between this problem and virtual money.
If we allow non-admins to post, you can expect Unban Requests to become another forum board flooded with "good luck" posts.Disregarding a few exceptions, that worked out and comparing to today it caused a way better atmosphere ...
The root of all the problems concerned is the greed of the players which has risen far beyond the levels in the early Argonath days, which is also the reason for the "when I came here in 200X argo was" posts..
It has always amazed me how lots and lots of people apply for moderator, however fail to help new players with basic questions like "how do I change my skin?"..
Have only /me exist, and everyone's money -99999999Supported.
I wouldn't play if I had no chance of earning, wasting or winning money.
Does that make me a bad person?
What's equally bad are people moaning about others (especially about new players, hurr durr how friendly and welcoming) being "non RP money hungry". Simplest solution is to hire people and give them role-play jobs. That way the new guys will have a chance to earn some money, as well as get exposed to role-play.Please don't exagerate the situation.Those who blame others can't role play are just minority and cannot represent overall altitude of players.
Que - Nope, it doesn't. My statement was general. It was to see the larger picture, not a limited one.I do disagree about dough being the general issue-maker, the attitude does not change just because you get rich over a virtual game. There might be a few retarded snails whose sincere wish is to be as rich as possible, not giving a blink to anyone else. Most of the long-runners within this community are rich by now, they have been for several years and there's basically nothing who indicates them being any different than someone who has a low amount of dough. As Cofiliano, and now also Chaska stated; Argonath's true veterans are slowly decreasing in scale. I could make the list long of extraordinarily individuals who had one big status and bunch of respect of the fellows around the community itself, these individuals are no longer around, simply because they decided to turn into different roads than the ones remaining. The new generation of Argonathians has sincerely not replaced them, not even close of being able to do it.
I do disagree about dough being the general issue-maker, the attitude does not change just because you get rich over a virtual game. There might be a few retarded snails whose sincere wish is to be as rich as possible, not giving a blink to anyone else. Most of the long-runners within this community are rich by now, they have been for several years and there's basically nothing who indicates them being any different than someone who has a low amount of dough. As Cofiliano, and now also Chaska stated; Argonath's true veterans are slowly decreasing in scale. I could make the list long of extraordinarily individuals who had one big status and bunch of respect of the fellows around the community itself, these individuals are no longer around, simply because they decided to turn into different roads than the ones remaining. The new generation of Argonathians has sincerely not replaced them, not even close of being able to do it.If by new generation you mean 2011, I see Gavino as one of the few new players who have actually attained some respectful skills around.
If by new generation you mean 2011, I see Gavino as one of the few new players who have actually attained some respectful skills around.Gavino and Dellstorm. After that it's completely dimmed.
Who's Gavino?That just killed it.
Who's Gavino?Exactly what I meant.
The latest person I could think of that came up with nice and helpful ideas was iMunna, and he has gone a while ago...Word.
The latest person I could think of that came up with nice and helpful ideas was iMunnaName one.
That just killed it.
Exactly what I meant.???
???You pretty much summed up what I've been talking about for the last replies with that reply of yours.
Name one.Can't find the topic or anything, but it was about helping new players
You pretty much summed up what I've been talking about for the last replies with that reply of yours.Is it so hard to give a link?
What.to his profile... :m4:
to his profile... :m4:http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13200 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13200) :sig:
Have only /me exist, and everyone's money -99999999This will not help. :D I think we need stricter administration. For example: DM = ban, trolling = ban, flaming = ban and etc. I constantly see how players are only warned / kicked for flaming, deathmatch and violation of rules as a whole. I'm not saying that we should punish new players for making mistakes, but those of regular up should be punished in the most stringent manner.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13200 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13200) :sig:ah, ok.
This will not help. :D I think we need stricter administration. For example: DM = ban, trolling = ban, flaming = ban and etc. I constantly see how players are only warned / kicked for flaming, deathmatch and violation of rules as a whole. I'm not saying that we should punish new players for making mistakes, but those of regular up should be punished in the most stringent manner.
All that's needed is a good balance which is what the owners have always strived for and they have got that over the years. To my knowledge it's still there. You can't be too strict otherwise people will not enjoy playing but you've got to be reasonable as well in order to keep things fun, pleasant but serious when the need arises.Or stricter rules for trolling, dming and etc or we will keep watching Flaken, Ness and Wash to dm cops and trolling around.
Or stricter rules for trolling, dming and etc or we will keep watching Flaken, Ness and Wash to dm cops and trolling around.We are all humans...
We are all humans...Indeed. That's why we got ParUni. ( dm server ) About the trolling, this is not normal. The joke is funny, but not when you pass the border.
Don't touch Flaken and Ness, they are good boys.Yes, they are awesome.They are also very funny. But somehow this server system allows them to behave the way they behave in a majority of their time.
But somehow this server system allows them to behave the way they behave in a majority of their time.
Both of those players are banned for deathmatching.No offence to my buddies Flaken and Ness, but yet again how many chances are you able to get before you get kicked out?
Both of those players are banned for deathmatching.Both of us know that they will be unbanned and they will continue to do the same things again and again, as has happened so far...
If they do eventually they will be permanently denied.This should happen with everyone who constantly violate the rules.
The police/suspect system was created for the purpose of RPIt was created to clear out when someone's chased by the police or not, and who the police has to chase.
I thoroughly rp my killings and make sure I have valid reasons for them.define "rp [your] killings"
Suspects and police are there to create roleplay situations.Ness, I played with you and I know much about the way you play. And no, I do not mean to offend you with this.
By rping my killings, I keep them in context (won't go around killing people for something they pmed me or said in /p), I try my best to make sure the victim is willingly participating in the roleplay, and I keep it reasonable and try to have a laugh with whoever I kill, just to remind them why we're even playing the game. I don't know why I'm being attacked by people who know nothing about the way I play, and think it's fine to bullshit, just because you added "no offense". I'm offended by your inability to use your common sense. I kindly request the bullshit about me "trolling" and deathmatching be backed up.
no offense.
You know f**kall about how I, Wash or Flaken play. We all dislike you man.You dislike me because i'm not dming cops with you?
Again, I would request you to back up this bullshit. By continuing with these accusations, you're just further destroying your credibility, and further revealing your inability to make logical claims.You know I like you as a person and I think you're funny. But my opinion concerning the manner in which you play is this. At least I had the courage to tell you. ( Admins dþesn't count :D )
Again you talk shit without backing it up. There is nothing wrong with how I play, and I'm sure none of us value your opinion more than you value your credibility.First, I do not care who rates my opinion and who doesn't. Second, I told you what I think about your way of playing, not for you as a person. Flaken play exactly the same way as you. But actually he is a dude, even taught me some things.
I try my best to make sure the victim is willingly participating in the roleplay, and I keep it reasonable [...]So you make it clear to the victims why are you about to blast them, or do you assume that "they should know why"?
So, how to give the community itself a boost?Give me CL rights, I'll fix everything. :D
Que, I have left this thread open against my better judgement but it's going nowhere but downhill. If you want it to remain unlocked you should get it back on track in a positive way.Alright, I'll try.
Give me CL rights, I'll fix everything. :DYou should try it.
if they can do it creatively it can provide a great area of comedy, but things like 'umad bro' just show the lack of any form if intelligence and the need to use such basic statements in an attempt to piss people off.This is just about how everyone should think about trolls (only those who can you can count as a troll)
there is a problem in Argonath in relation to trolling, any joke or any non-angel humor attempt is immediately labeled as trolling.
If there is a problem in Argonath in relation to trolling, that is how any joke or any non-angel humor attempt is immediately labeled as trolling.It is labeled as trolling just because of the history of that 'kind of joking' in the late past was known as trolling. I'm although agreeing with you to the fullest, but yet again, you say 'trolling' to this due to the previous past. Then there are some nutshells who accuses everyone for trolling, I'm not standing by them.
If there is a problem in Argonath in relation to trolling, that is how any joke or any non-angel humor attempt is immediately labeled as trolling.*Slowly looks over to battle...*
When we are pretty much into trolling.Girl: Yo, who are you?
Swedes:
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Girl: Yo, who are you?
Guy: Mark, but that won't tell you much. I just added you because you were beautiful and we had a lot of common friends.
Girl: Oh okay. Do you study at ....?
Guy: Yeah. You?
Girl: Paradis (school)
Guy: Do you know Benjamin?
Girl: Lastname?
Guy: Yeah.
Girl: What's his lastname?
Guy: His name is Benjamin.
Girl: But doesn't he have a lastname?
Guy: Who?
Girl: Uhhh, Benjamin?
Guy: Oh, so you know him?
Girl: No, I don't know because YOU'RE NOT TELLING ME HIS LASTNAME.
Guy: Yeah, but his name is Benjamin. Don't you believe me?
Girl: Of course, I believe you. His name is Benjamin, but don't you know his lastname? There are plenty of Benjamin.
Guy: Benjamin
Girl: Ah god!
Girl: Yo, who are you?Haha, good one.
Guy: Mark, but that won't tell you much. I just added you because you were beautiful and we had a lot of common friends.
Girl: Oh okay. Do you study at ....?
Guy: Yeah. You?
Girl: Paradis (school)
Guy: Do you know Benjamin?
Girl: Lastname?
Guy: Yeah.
Girl: What's his lastname?
Guy: His name is Benjamin.
Girl: But doesn't he have a lastname?
Guy: Who?
Girl: Uhhh, Benjamin?
Guy: Oh, so you know him?
Girl: No, I don't know because YOU'RE NOT TELLING ME HIS LASTNAME.
Guy: Yeah, but his name is Benjamin. Don't you believe me?
Girl: Of course, I believe you. His name is Benjamin, but don't you know his lastname? There are plenty of Benjamin.
Guy: Benjamin
Girl: Ah god!
The latest person I could think of that came up with nice and helpful ideas was iMunna, and he has gone a while ago...
iMunna turned his back on Argonath and betrayed us, the same as one of =AV='s founders did. That pretty much cancels out everything good he might have done for us.That's just a big disgrace, forgetting the good things that someone did just because he was literally showing the middlefinger. How would you feel when nobody even wants to remember your good commitments just because you f@cked up big time ?
iMunna turned his back on Argonath and betrayed us, the same as one of =AV='s founders did. That pretty much cancels out everything good he might have done for us.Betrayed us? He was a ban evader who sucessfully became an administrator and then trolling the community, so he did not betray us, the higher administration just didn't catch an important detail. Never the less, I implyed that because wether or not iMunna was a good guy, he was the latest player that contriubted good ideas into the community. As for Dave, I don't know the story very well, but I am glad he is not here anymore.
iMunna turned his back on Argonath and betrayed us, the same as one of =AV='s founders did. That pretty much cancels out everything good he might have done for us.