Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Cutt3r on January 03, 2012, 02:38:24 am
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1. DM for weed: Situation involves going and shooting someone at a weedfield when he is standing there waiting for his weed. Are you that shallow to just shoot someone without any roleplay what so ever, then steal his weed? If yes, welcome to the tempban for DM. If you still continue this act, welcome to permban and subsequently the unban section, where you will meet me or the other HQ. You will also lose your stock of weed/heroin. Entirely.
People who have been deathmatched for weed(without any roleplay whatsoever) can send me a forum PM and I will take action against those found to have actually erred.
2. Scamming - scamming in casinos will end up with a ban. Scamming illegal thing is not bannable. Scamming outside casinos is allowed but shallow. However if you scam a new guy(say, upto 7 days old), you will be punished with a ban or otherwise. If you are wise you will not gamble outside a casino. EDIT 1: The scammer loses TWICE the amount he scammed and earns a full ban. However the one who gets scammed gets back only the money he bet initially.
3. Spawnreset and helpmeup - spawn reset at/near a weed/heroin location is forbidden. This is abuse of the command. Same is the case with /helpmeup - abuse it and face the consequences. /helpmeup is to be used only if you are stuck in the ground due to some bug or stuck under a car in case of a carkiller(you can use it and report the guy).
EDIT 2 - 4. Players do not have access to any teleport facility. It is noticed, sadly, that players are using /kill to teleport to the spawnreset point, for lame reasons (No car within 50 or so steps, to respawn quickly at the next weed spot etc). Whatever the reason for which you are using /kill it is abuse, except:
a. Within roleplay, when you suicide(of course it should not be used when you are a suspect)
b. It can be used when bugged in an interior and you cannot exit the interior.
5. /q abuse - Whilst most are familiar with the /q abuse that players are generally punished for, it may also be noted that players will have admin action taken on them when they /q so that vehicles spawn at their spawn points. Sometimes other players may take your car, that does not mean you must abuse scripts to get them back. Either ask for them or use another car for the time being.
:ps: Other HQ staff MAY edit this post.
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It's good that you made these things clear. I wasn't entirely sure about the weed field dming until now.
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Seems good, respectable.
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cutter, can I use /helpmeup to get to places just for fun, not to get away as a suspect but just to see where helpmeup can and cant get me.
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About time for an update, thanks Cutt3r!
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Jubin, actually, we would have allowed this. But off late, people are looking to abuse our trust more than anything. If I allow it for one I have to allow for all. That may result in still more abuse in another form. Therefore I am sorry to say that it should not be used for that either. You can use a chopper if the place you wanna get upto is accessible.
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Or a jet pack
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Or a jet pack
Still better, lot more fun than a chopper :D
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Allright, thank for the clearification! I'm gald I have now somthing I can relay on...
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Jubin, actually, we would have allowed this. But off late, people are looking to abuse our trust more than anything. If I allow it for one I have to allow for all. That may result in still more abuse in another form. Therefore I am sorry to say that it should not be used for that either. You can use a chopper if the place you wanna get upto is accessible.
But I would like to ask, what is the abuse with /helpmeup when one is not a suspect on a getaway? Why not allow its usage as a citizen?
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One as a citizen could use it to avoid a situation with another player for example a confrontation and or roleplay. Few more have just sprung to my mind too however they will not be mentioned as some will then start having ideas...
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Seems good, respectable.
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The /helpmeup thing sucks. I used to PM the highest ranking admin online, and ask them if I could RP Spiderman. They checked I wasn't doing it just to get to a vehicle, then let me use /helpmeup. :neutral:
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The /helpmeup command could easily be abused in role-play scenarios, also such as shootouts etcetera so it's rather good that's not allowed for citizens.
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Jubin, you ask a valid question. To be completely honest, I do not have an answer. But what I DO know is that if it was allowed, some people would figure out unfair advantages for the command. It is therefore disallowed.
Besides, I have a question for you :D. /helpmeup is not meant for repeated spamming. It is to be used to get you out from under the car of a carkiller for example. So wouldn't repeated spamming of helpmeup be abuse?
:ps: One abuse of helpmeup just sprang to my mind. Will PM you
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I scammed a 1 month old player something like 3 months ago.
I lost in a street gamble and didn't give the 50k, but Salmonella told me to give it anyway or I would get banned.
Wtf Sal?
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One as a citizen could use it to avoid a situation with another player for example a confrontation and or roleplay. Few more have just sprung to my mind too however they will not be mentioned as some will then start having ideas...
The /helpmeup command could easily be abused in role-play scenarios, also such as shootouts etcetera so it's rather good that's not allowed for citizens.
What you both are talking about is basically escaping a shootout by the mean of getting away from that during a roleplay situation, what I do not understand is why is it not allowed when I am not in a roleplay situation.
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Good, I hope some strict action acted upon.
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I scammed a 1 month old player something like 3 months ago.
I lost in a street gamble and didn't give the 50k, but Salmonella told me to give it anyway or I would get banned.
Wtf Sal?
The information posted on here is from NOW...situations from before the post cannot be perverted because of this post.
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Sorry Jubin I meant escaping roleplays in general as well.
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Sorry Jubin I meant escaping roleplays in general as well.
can't force role play?
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I I've assumed the don't force roleplay actually meant don't force your style on others. As being on a roleplay server you are generally expected to roleplay.
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As Arjun said, the only purpose of /helpmeup is for if you're being carkilled or bugged. Don't deviate from command's requirements.
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I I've assumed the don't force roleplay actually meant don't force your style on others. As being on a roleplay server you are generally expected to roleplay.
As being in Argonath I expect people to have fun while not ruining others that meaning if you wish to just hang out with other people you should be able to do it without someone coming to force you into roleplaying lets say robbery or kidnapping in which you clearly do not wish to participate.
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can't force role play?
Cops can, though.
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All the points Cutt3r have taken up in this topic is all true.
1. All the crazy deathmatching at drug spots have been to much. I call it unprovoked deathmatching and it will be tolerated with a tempban if the offences are so high. By just coming from nowhere and blatant deathmatch a player is not the right way to solve it. Though our newer generation of players have been influenced with this and they think this is allowed in some cases. It has been hectic and quite shocking that many players have done it. But it seems it have gone downhill instead of uphill the latest time, and that's a positive thing.
2. Scamming in legal businesses like casino and house sales are strictly forbidden and the player faces the punishment with a permban. A heads up, don't ever never gamble outside a casino. You will be scammed. Regarding the illegal drug and weapon businesses there is not much we can do more than say you should be cautious and see who you deal with. This have never happened with me since I have had my contacts before and trustable buyer/sellers.
3. As Cutt3r mentioned, spawnreset abuse at drug spots are strictly forbidden. Same goes for like fire missions, don't abuse /spawnreset there neither. /helpmeup have been abused the latest time buy suspects, they have used it as a tool to suicide as a suspect for an instant. Same with the nicely TAB button, that is being used alot.
Some more things to bring up, misleading players or encouraging them to rulebreak is not a good thing. This have I seen to much of lately, regulars who mislead new players is very common and they will be punished severly. Exploiting bugs are also a thing that players takes advantage of.
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Make the new person scam rule to 1 month,ban is appropriate.
Not everyone will play Argonath everyday when new, do you play it everyday?
You may still be registered for 15 days but only have played 5 days, you could be busy, it may not be your life.
Also please say, are you bound by rules / law to gamble if you open your casino?
I think gambling's for silly people, I only gamble for fun and I serve drinks in my casino.
One guy enter my casino and say lets bet.
I say no, I only give drinks.
And he rage and say scammer and say he sue me.
The so called illegal weapons trade, once Aragorn was asked in-game about it, he says "I don't see how legal thing can be illegal to trade". Please clarify. IF people trade it wherever it should be legal yes?
The ammunition people shouldn't mind because they're raking it in compared to any other business, and where is the roleplay of just earning money for guns? I remember Gvardia used to sell weapons and had a ammunition shop, they said that they where roleplaying gun sellers from there own ammunition shop, perhaps even cheaper than ammunition, so why was it forbidden?
Btw why are you all on about "This is shallow?" Do you know it says that we are living in a corrupt and bad society somewhere in Argonaths description? :P
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Don't shoot the messenger. In regards to, don't force roleplay read the "clarification" topic here in the general section.
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Monte, if someone came to you when you were growing weed and shot you in the face, you would know what shallow is.
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Well said, DM on drug fields was a common problem nowadays :) Btw, what about scamming a new player off illegal things, like weed/heroin etc? I never scammed anyone but would like it to be clarified.
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Well said, DM on drug fields was a common problem nowadays :) Btw, what about scamming a new player off illegal things, like weed/heroin etc? I never scammed anyone but would like it to be clarified.
Mislead and scam them in anyway if they are new is punishable with a ban, do not take advantage of new players.
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Now mostly what I heard /helpmeup is not allowed because people use it to mainly commit suicide being that a hit or a suspect or in a regular shootout. To that I would say forbid committing sucide, no matter how they do it, not saying /helpmeup hencefore is forbid to everybody else. That is kinda like forbidding the use of rope, because some maniacs use it to hang other people.
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Now mostly what I heard /helpmeup is not allowed because people use it to mainly commit suicide being that a hit or a suspect or in a regular shootout. To that I would say forbid committing sucide, no matter how they do it, not saying /helpmeup hencefore is forbid to everybody else. That is kinda like forbidding the use of rope, because some maniacs use it to hang other people.
Hope most people are aware now you have to pay a penalty when you die as suspect, no matter suicide or not.
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Cops can, though.
Cops can suspect, but they can't force their role-play on you.
Simplest example are all the "criminals" who "would rather die than give up".
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Helpmeup's usage should stay as it was intended, to get yourself out of a bug/glitch, not as a fun/mess around toy which some may treat it as.
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Cops can suspect, but they can't force their role-play on you.
They can pull you over for no reason, at which point you're obliged to roleplay with them otherwise they will suspect you.
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they can't force their role-play on you.
Incorrect.They can pull you over for no reason, at which point you're obliged to roleplay with them otherwise they will suspect you.
Yes.
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That is kinda like forbidding the use of rope, because some maniacs use it to hang other people.
Unfortunately, when a rope is given in Argonath, people are hung more often than not.
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Hope most people are aware now you have to pay a penalty when you die as suspect, no matter suicide or not.
What's the penalty?
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Incorrect.
no u
They can pull you over for no reason, at which point you're obliged to roleplay with them otherwise they will suspect you.
Cops don't pull over everyone they see, and they usually react on something you do (eg. driving fast, running into a barricaded from outside building which has 9999 suspects inside). Slow down and stop being careless when going past cops if you don't want them to pull you over.
Also it would be silly if cops could not suspect you if you weren't complying.
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they usually react on something you do
The key word here is "usually".
Anyway, the likelihood of it happening is irrelevant, what matters is that they can.
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They can pull you over for no reason, at which point you're obliged to roleplay with them otherwise they will suspect you.
They can not pull you over for no reason. If they do, you can report them.
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They can not pull you over for no reason. If they do, you can report them.
:wow: I did not know this.
Several times I've been seen the siren, been pulled over and been told that it was "just a routine stop".
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:wow: I did not know this.
Several times I've been seen the siren, been pulled over and been told that it was "just a routine stop".
I know, some people just damn not nice.
Monte, if someone came to you when you were growing weed and shot you in the face, you would know what shallow is.
I went to see why a man was standing next to a tree.
He shot me in face.
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They can not pull you over for no reason. If they do, you can report them.
Damn, never knew this. I thought cops could pull you over when ever they pleased. I know better now.
By the way, what is the penalty for dying as a suspect, whether it is suicide or not? And do you also get this penalty if you are killed by another suspect or civilian?
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This is quoted from Gandalf, I found this answer as the perfect one.
By setting your respawn on or near a place where you are likely to be killed you are abusing the command. Respawn setting is so that you can easily change your house or in case of an mass crash at an event.
It should not be used to return to a combat or roleplay situation after death, doing so is considered script abuse.
This might also be involved in the topic since I have seen some of that also on the weedfields, but not as much as the regular thing Cutt3r have brought up.
Using the cop duty to grow weed is using the script to give yourself an advantage over other players. As a cop you can suspect and kill them, which apart from it giving you money prevents you from becoming wanted from killing a rival. There for it is script / glitch abuse.
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They make weed field near my house.
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It doesn't matter if you didn't know it before, because it will no matter what result in a pullover anyway. Neither if you want it or not.
I thought cops could pull you over when ever they pleased.
They do, police work.
no u
Stop trollers it's against rules read rules /rules.
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They do, police work.
They can not pull you over for no reason. If they do, you can report them.
I find it quite odd, since that means police officers can only pull you over if you have broken a law or traffic violation of some sort, but not because they have any suspicion.
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2. Scamming - scamming in casinos will end up with a ban. Scamming illegal thing is not bannable. Scamming outside casinos is allowed but shallow. However if you scam a new guy(say, upto 7 days old), you will be punished with a ban or otherwise. If you are wise you will not gamble outside a casino.
What about people that's presenting false accusations at your casino. Like a guy have done to my. A dealer of my was playing and then recently the player said bets 10k, and he gave one of my dealers the bet and rolled the dices only 2 times. My dealer said we don't play x2, but BlackJack, and sent him the money back.
Just a half minute later(Might be earlier than that) the guy went out of the casino and said "Roca Escalante Casino scammers" constantly presenting false accusations towards my casino and my reputation. It is the same offensive such as scamming in casinos, etc. The only thing the admins/moderators did was to tell him to stop via PM, but started constatly "hunting" me 10 minutes later. It ended up that he attempted to carkill me and my friend which ended in a constant unroleplayish shootout.
People who present false accusations into the public chat with their shitty behavior and attitude should be first temporary banned, second time permantly banned. It is the same offensive as you present the scamming. Why shouldn't this be taken to consideration the same way?
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I find it quite odd, since that means police officers can only pull you over if you have broken a law or traffic violation of some sort, but not because they have any suspicion.
Well If all the other cops where interesting like me, they'd have the evidence before hand >: )
No1 I pull over is innocent, not even those who are UC yoooo :B
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Why cops should not be allowed to grow weed and order heroin when almost everyone on duty as medic/firemen is using the duty cars to make their business .. if cops aren't allowed, medic/firemen shouldn't be allowed to do.
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Why cops should not be allowed to grow weed and order heroin when almost everyone on duty as medic/firemen is using the duty cars to make their business .. if cops aren't allowed, medic/firemen shouldn't be allowed to do.
Because cops are in the script-privileged position of being able to set a hit on someone that at least half the server will instantly respond to with guns that they haven't paid for.
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First post updated.
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Because cops are in the script-privileged position of being able to set a hit on someone that at least half the server will instantly respond to with guns that they haven't paid for.
Well IMO I consider people doing weed and heroin as medic/firemen and using duty cars have an advantage on someone who is considered as civilian and using his own car ..
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Because cops are in the script-privileged position of being able to set a hit on someone that at least half the server will instantly respond to with guns that they haven't paid for.
Cops still have more regulations than any other scripted role/job. And they can get cop banned if they don't obey the regulations.
You would expect less moaning on cops "because they got z0mg this much support [and we 'criminals' don't]" by this year...
Well IMO I consider people doing weed and heroin as medic/firemen and using duty cars have an advantage on someone who is considered as civilian and using his own car ..
About growing drugs on duty, I wish the old "if you are a cop, do what a cop is supposed to do; if you want to do a different job, go off duty" rule came back, but for every scripted job and not just cops.
But also an easier/faster way of switching jobs would be nice to see.
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About growing drugs on duty, I wish the old "if you are a cop, do what a cop is supposed to do; if you want to do a different job, go off duty" rule came back, but for every scripted job and not just cops.
Agree with that ..
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Cops still have more regulations than any other scripted role/job. And they can get cop banned if they don't obey the regulations.
I do not agree nor disagree your first statement to prevent further argument.But I have to say it's hard to proves they are violating regulations.Unless you have a video,it's not easy to proves he is disobeying in most cases.
Take a cop driving like a mainiac and wrong lane with 190km/hr without siren on,unless admin spectate,how do normal players complains /report him disobeying regulation with solid proves?
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EDIT 1: The scammer loses TWICE the amount he scammed and earns a full ban. However the one who gets scammed gets back only the money he bet initially.
Why not let the player have the sum which he won?
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Really, this is a bannable offense? All this time I was setting up a base behind my car waiting for my weed to grow while I expect a brutal raid from random deathmatchers who want to get a hold of my weed!
I love you, Cutt3r. No sarcasm intended.
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Why not let the player have the sum which he won?
We have had instances wherein players mutually decide that one will scam the other on a secondary account(me and you enter into an agreement wherein I come in a secondary account, scam you many millions and leave forever). Then a case is made to the manager by the guy who was 'scammed'. The scammer is of course, playing on his original account. Once the 'victim' gets the cash, he would share the spoils with the scammer.
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Point on /kill added.
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Thanks for clearing this things out,just a little question.
- What is the usage of /helpmeup then?Just while you're stuck and no admins are online so only then you can use it?
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Correct usage was stated in the opening post. Though to clarify it can be used with or without admins being online.
A point regarding /q abuse was added.
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3. Spawnreset and helpmeup - spawn reset at/near a weed/heroin location is forbidden. This is abuse of the command. Same is the case with /helpmeup - abuse it and face the consequences. /helpmeup is to be used only if you are stuck in the ground due to some bug or stuck under a car in case of a carkiller(you can use it and report the guy).
My house is next to a heroin spot, does this mean I cant reset spawn at my house or am I permitted to?
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I would like to know one thing. Since scamming in casinos can get you a ban and that managers decide on how much money they give you, does that mean that we in the court house cannot work on those cases? Because people are always demanding for more or the money they won, and the only thing I can do is just redirect them to a manager.
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Casino scamming, i.e not paying the winnings, or /q'ing after taking the stake money, is against the server rules. As such the courts should not handle those cases or award any damages, in all cases they should be referred to a manager.
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Ok. Good new rules! "Good"!
How i can protect my weed?
TinMan sad: "report me about it"
I am growwing weed.I am wait him to harvest it. BUT i see some player,his try to harvest my weed or just stay at weed spot(he is ignore me).
I am report to admin(but he is ignore my report too). Player steal my weed and gone. It was 3 times.
I think the developers in 2009 knowingly allowed DM for weed. :bow: :bow: :bow:
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They aren't "new rules" actually they are all pretty much long standing.
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Stealing some others's weed is allowed. It's up to you how to protect it. But do NOT DM for it, make a roleplay scenario for it. I will bring you few examples:
Randomguy1 approaches:
/em Renz0. appears to be 24 y/o, muscular, wearing Dodgers hoodie and a golden chain.
/l Hey dawg, got lost or somthin'?
Randomguy1 replies:
/l This is my weed u noob get lost or i kill u fagget
/l Renz0. says: Hey man, this ain't your business dawg, go to get another crop, this one is taken as ya can see.
Randonguy1 replies:
fagget i kill u leave now!!!!1!!!1!1!1!!!
Renz0. replies:
/l says: Man nigga, looks like you strapped on foo', got nothin' to do mayne just snitchin around, tryin' to snatch my crops?
Randomguy1 takes out combat shotgun, with no /me fuction, just start random shooting.
Renz0.'s movement is that:
/me lifts up his hoodie, takes out his Glock .19 from behind his trousers, reloads it and squeezes the trigger multiple times. - Make sure you got it copied, so you dont need to write it down and get killed.
After Randomguy1 is dead, walk to his body, spit on him, make some gangsta shit rap, or say something regarding the situation, get your weed and beef out to another field.
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Stealing some others's weed is allowed. It's up to you how to protect it. But do NOT DM for it, make a roleplay scenario for it. I will bring you few examples:
Randomguy1 approaches:
/em Renz0. appears to be 24 y/o, muscular, wearing Dodgers hoodie and a golden chain.
/l Hey dawg, got lost or somthin'?
Randomguy1 replies:
/l This is my weed u noob get lost or i kill u fagget
/l Renz0. says: Hey man, this ain't your business dawg, go to get another crop, this one is taken as ya can see.
Randonguy1 replies:
fagget i kill u leave now!!!!1!!!1!1!1!!!
Renz0. replies:
/l says: Man nigga, looks like you strapped on foo', got nothin' to do mayne just snitchin around, tryin' to snatch my crops?
Randomguy1 takes out combat shotgun, with no /me fuction, just start random shooting.
Renz0.'s movement is that:
/me lifts up his hoodie, takes out his Glock .19 from behind his trousers, reloads it and squeezes the trigger multiple times. - Make sure you got it copied, so you dont need to write it down and get killed.
After Randomguy1 is dead, walk to his body, spit on him, make some gangsta shit rap, or say something regarding the situation, get your weed and beef out to another field.
yeh cant dm like that
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Thanks :D
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In the scenario presented by hitmany there would only be two possible outcomes, either 'DMing' or bending over.
Now ofcourse, it all depends on how we define 'DMing', but there wouldn't be any other outcome then either killing him or bending over.
fyi, in common sense,killing others for weed(in other word,robbery) is not "DM"
you kill a person for a reason-to rob his weed/kill the withness.
Killing,which argonath players in general misunderstand it,doesn't automatically means "Deathmatching"
The victim want it or not.
Tom Plants weed.
Peter and John come and say "give you 3second to leave,I'm coming to rob your weed,3seconds to leave or die"
Tom still stand there 3 seonds later.Peter open fire,kill him.
My question- is this DM?
You can say it is a bad roleplay but meh,argonath do not punish people for bad roleplay I assume?
Define "DM" in this case.
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fyi, in common sense,killing others for weed(in other word,robbery) is not "DM"
you kill a person for a reason-to rob his weed/kill the withness.
Killing,which argonath players in general misunderstand it,doesn't automatically means "Deathmatching"
The victim want it or not.
Tom Plants weed.
Peter and John come and say "give you 3second to leave,I'm coming to rob your weed,3seconds to leave or die"
Tom still stand there 3 seonds later.Peter open fire,kill him.
My question- is this DM?
You can say it is a bad roleplay but meh,argonath do not punish people for bad roleplay I assume?
Define "DM" in this case.
Deathmatch is a phrase, where player is attacking other player without reason, even without RP reason.
The exapmle which you did, in my opinion, is classified as DM, because there was no roleplay dialogue presented by both sides. If the attacker had RP reason, like they (attacker and defender) were beefing before, you have a RP reason, but you cannot return after death.
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Deathmatch is a phrase, where player is attacking other player without reason, even without RP reason.
you kill a person for a reason-to rob his weed/kill the withness.
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change red color to orange... it hurts the eye and i speak for everyone not myself.
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Confirmed it's gets your attention then :)
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Awesome new rule! :D
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For your information, sir, I wrote "Now ofcourse, it all depends on how we define 'DMing'".
It's common sense to read a post before you quote it.
The definition of DM in argonath is generally too narrow.
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Awesome new rule! :D
Again they are not new rules.
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Here is another example of made up rules by admins that nobody can access and therefore people get punished for them without knowing they exist.
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
Source - Argonath Vision (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0)
Let's start following our own standards, eh?
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However common sense can be applied to all of them.
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Here is another example of made up rules by admins that nobody can access and therefore people get punished for them without knowing they exist.
Source - Argonath Vision (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0)
Let's start following our own standards, eh?
Reminds me of times, when you warned/kicked for so-called "Non-RP" back in RS3.
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Here is another example of made up rules by admins that nobody can access and therefore people get punished for them without knowing they exist.
Source - Argonath Vision (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0)
Let's start following our own standards, eh?
These rules have been here for years. We do not have to state all of the rules in a topic as many of them are "common sense".. Probably, you missed them because you mainly focused on getting punished by admins for stating stupid things like this.
Do not mention about our standards when you do not even understand them fully.
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Here is another example of made up rules by admins that nobody can access and therefore people get punished for them without knowing they exist.
Source - Argonath Vision (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0)
Let's start following our own standards, eh?
On the contrary. Anyone using their brain and following the basic rules would never be punished.
It is player who try to bend rules in their favour that complain about them being 'unwritten'.