Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Julio. on January 17, 2012, 09:01:33 pm
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Well, I know nobody was ever allowed to do this.
Rule changed?
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No. Simply put.
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As far as i'm aware - Murt had a long discussion with Kojak about this - And Kojak told him its allowed - That's all i know.
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I've got punished by Murt for healing in combat before 1 month,I honestly dont know if the rule has changed,but interesting to know.
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As i have seen ingame (Message on the screen) Healing In Combat is allowed.
Ofcourse of one time one big spam "LOL, WTF" and such
personally im wondered cause its the stupidest idea i have ever seen (Ofc with full respect for founder of this great new rule)
But i have asked once again Murt, and he told thats its allowed since both parties had same opinions, BUT WHICH PARTIES? No one asked me for example... or other peoples... soo yeah propably again decission has been made betwen 2-4 peoples on whole community
Soo one Big facepalm at this one.
Regards
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Actually you can pretty much disregard may last post. Apologies for the mislead.
As it become aware to me any advantage of this is very little, if any at all as you cannot shoot and heal at the same time, it's impossible. I'm sure Kojak will come and clear this up as he can make it much more clearer than i can.
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Yeah Kojak is here, hope to see his view point. Cause ofcourse i could be wrong.
If i gona see, that im wrong i gona appologize for low respect for this idea.
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The rule was implemented at one time based on one incident; what that meant was that it was not subject at the time to the due process that all new rules should go through.
There is a discussion, now on ice but not closed, about this within the admin team. I will say the same thing here that I said there which is that I do not object to such a rule, but all rules must be implemented thoughtfully and with consideration for game balance.
The question we need to answer is whether or not it gives any unfair or unreasonable advantage over other players given that it is physically possible for any player to heal. Naturally if such a rule should be formally introduced then it would also apply to equipping armour during combat as that has the same effect.
However there is some debate as to whether equipping armour during combat should be allowed, but we cannot implement a 'no healing during combat' rule if we are to allow equipping armour during combat. I have checked this with all law enforcement groups and they all have their own rule that says their members may not equip armour during combat (but they may equip it before entering combat). What this means is that a large part of the community is already practicing self-enforcement of this rule voluntarily.
So at this time it is de facto allowed, that means it has not been officially decided one way or the other and we will not punish players for doing it until we have established a rule. I would not encourage anyone to do it, or not do it. I will not speculate on the outcome of the discussion, but I will make sure the issue is raised again and we will create a clear ruling on it as soon as we can.
In the meantime feel free to post your views, if there is an overwhelming community response one way or the other we will certainly take it into consideration.
Thank you
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About that Armour durning combat. For example SWAT is not allowed to do it exactly on the scene. They need to leave combat for it.
Same as others, Get heal before you gona enter combat, or leave it.
For me its wrong.
For example, when im going on duty. Im getting heal getting armed and armoured and then im going patroling.
When im in combat im not re healing and i am awaiting that my enemy wont do it aswell, since we need at least some fair play right?
For example im standing somewhere getting shooted HP goes down, and Enemy stands next to place where he can heal up, he gona jump in get heal and what with me? I gona tell you... IM FCK'ed UP
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About that Armour durning combat. For example SWAT is not allowed to do it exactly on the scene. They need to leave combat for it.
Same as others, Get heal before you gona enter combat, or leave it.
For me its wrong.
For example, when im going on duty. Im getting heal getting armed and armoured and then im going patroling.
When im in combat im not re healing and i am awaiting that my enemy wont do it aswell, since we need at least some fair play right?
For example im standing somewhere getting shooted HP goes down, and Enemy stands next to place where he can heal up, he gona jump in get heal and what with me? I gona tell you... IM FCK'ed UP
Now is the moment to call backup and blow the living shit out of him when he exits
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Thanks for clearing up Kojak.
Just get HP and full/75 percent armour and go on patrolling,Once you have low HP just run away from the scene,and thats why I never patrol alone.
About that healing in combat rule,I agree with that.
But its not my discussion,I respect everything that will be added.
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lol? Jack style ... No thanks bro :D
for me considers as spawn kill, and its lame for me.
@ AirOrel
this is what im doing, but when you gona be in such situation that will be no place to hide/run you gona fight. If enemy gets heal or smth ur loosing shit load of chances to survive.
I agree with not letting to re armour while in combat.
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Let me bring out the situation where this rule became again
Gvardias were cophunting in SF-LS tunnel, there were some leaders like Eugene etc. I notified Aragorn and Gandalf about it because the criminals had an ambulance behind themselves and they were constantly healing during a shootout... Aragorn decided it's unfair and therefore he tempbanned most of gvardia for DM and Cophunt + healing in combat.
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It's been always like this.
If you can escape the heat, and have nobody in visual, you can heal.
If you can escape the heat, and have nobody in visual, you can buy new armour.
It has always been like that and should stay like that. It has always been enforced.
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In a pure RP server, this should not be permitted. :rules:
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It's been always like this.
If you can escape the heat, and have nobody in visual, you can heal.
If you can escape the heat, and have nobody in visual, you can buy new armour.
It has always been like that and should stay like that. It has always been enforced.
Yeah, this is always what I've worked by.
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Today there was an announcement on the Event Bar info, which said "Healing in combat is allowed" "go to Kojak if you disagree with the rule"
So yes, it is allowed.
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Before Kojak, this rule was strictly being enforced, mainly by Aragorn and was not tolerated at all. It is basically script abusing.
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Before Kojak, this rule was strictly being enforced, mainly by Aragorn and was not tolerated at all. It is basically script abusing.
That is an important point; the fact is it has not been strictly enforced at all. Some admins take a zero tolerance approach to it, others take no action at all; the reason for this inconsistency is that it has not been defined. It is not quite as straight forward as stating, "no healing during combat" because we also have to think about enforcement and defining where combat ends and begins.
Personally I don't see a need for this rule because anyone can heal so there is no advantage given to one player over another, but as I don't play roles often that are affected by the issue of healing during combat my personal opinion is not relevant. So, objectively speaking I do not necessarily oppose the rule, I just want to make sure it is necessary (because an unnecessary rule increases staff workload) and consistently enforceable (because I don't want players being banned wrongly).
Post Merge: January 18, 2012, 11:52:54 am
Update to this, the matter is now closed. To clarify the rule will continue to exist, healing during actual combat is strictly prohibited but equipping armour is not. It will now be enforced by all staff consistently.
Thank you.