Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Unban Requests => IV:MP Closed Unban Requests => Topic started by: Lazlow on February 15, 2012, 12:04:28 am
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Hello.
Ban Reason: deceiving people - abusing division leader.
In past hours, i was thinking and even researching, what does that reason mean.. what exactly deceiving mean, and how I abused someone from leaders?
So.. after all this, im writing here.. with my conclusion.
To this moment, I am clueless on how I abused division leader. I know I play a highly wing spreaded eagle character in the game, but as a person, I would never spit to someone from the leaders in the face..
The person who called this on me, he is loughing, becouse that was exactly what I did. I was outraged, and said thing that I shouldnt have.. But that was couse I was very angry, and we humans tend to lose control in our anger ( :idea:). For that of not my normal behaviour, i really appologised, and we droped it. Again, I would like to appoligiese, couse I have a feeling that is not forgoten from 1 end.
Truely, I wish to thank to the person to who I abused on that day for not banning me on the spot.
But this person.. Who yet managed to call a ban request on me, at this random time, I have no clue what for.
The truth is.. I dont like that person. I dont. Reason? A very stupid one.. Becouse He doesnt see and appreciate what good I do, as he simply doesnt know.
So he sees either nothing from me, or something bad. And bad is what I done. I was thinking of myself.. Becouse I do some good, i can do some bad.. so few might not like me for bad, but they dont ban me, for me doing good... Today I realised.. Its fair, but I can do better than that..
I heard that another reason could be, because "Admins dont know how to deal with me". I dont think its right to perm ban a person becouse Admins dont know how to deal with him.. In my oppinion, Admins team should talk to the person, not ban him out...
So I have no clue why I am banned, this reason is un-clear, but im here to reviel everything bad that I have done from a time period between my latest ban, and the current one.
I cophunt when I see that many cops are online, and no criminals online. But I cop hunt in a legal way. I drive the main road fast to get attention, but not directly. This technique maybe few have seen. But the funny story is, I learned it from someone else!
I was once called for a serious cophunt, and even recorded. That Instance I was waiting, there were very few of players online, all was very dull.. and I just started to do donuts in front of copper, which was near racing start line, where i was waiting. I had absolute no intention of cophunting. I was waiting for someone to start a race.. Police was last thing i needed.
Sometimes I am rude to admins. But but not to new moderators. Moderators is who I hate, and I dont go anywhere close to them, simply becouse they have a title and power to kick me. But I do not fear them, I dont have anything to hide, and i dont hide, and im not scared to do what i do daily in fronf of them. I genuanly didnt like them, so I keep away from them, and let them gain their experience without me getting in the way.
Im thinking real hard, that once I may have been a bit cocky with some new moderator, but nothing provoking.. maybe he took it insultively. Nothing to get banned or kicked for.. Cant remember really..
Every time I see a new admin or developer or anyone new from A-team in server who I havnt seen before, I start with cocky greetings, which may insult few, but with few I got along very well. depends on how they recieve it.
When I say im rude to admins, Its my rude way of "asking" my friend admins...
I use admins, but within reason. Example: I borrow admins car (I ask first ofc) Then admin crashes (common thing) when he comes back, then I ask if he could tp me to that vehicle. similar examples to this is what I do ALOT... I dont believe that I have influented anybody to do the same.
1 man said: When I get reported (very rare), I know how to get away from it. Its true. I know how to. But its not the first time me saying this, but I am the honest man u have ever met. And I do tell the reason why I was reported and I admit. I even respond too well.. And that 1 person said, that this teaches others around me to be less respectful with admins, and deal with them like no big deal. That is false, due to reports being delt in PMs..(ty to new script too)
There are rumors in Admins team, that Talya learned his attitude from me. That is completely nonsence, as when for the first time met him, he had Helicopter and supercars, thus me not liking him, as I senced dodgy incomes.. And since that day, I never really spoke with him ever again..
Another rumor, is that players see my bad behaviour, and they learn from it. I have no clue where did this fary tail come from... I dont even recall making any contacts with new players for the past few months.. I am well concentrated in the crew that I have.. Friends that are in it.. and with them is with who I role-play..
When I think about it, how I may have influented them, my guess would be, with my bravery.. Using my balls.. I guess this is the biggest issue what admins dont like about me.. It all would make sence.. If I were an admin, I wouldnt want anyone cocky to "Run" the server.. Especialy when he is below moderators..
Surprise Surprise, but basicly that is it.. Im simply very confidant with admin team, they all are my friends, all my bros.. In IVMP i feel like at home, but all this has to change.. Thats what someone has requested.. I see clearly what I need to do. I need to "CALM THE f**k DOWN". I need to lower my wings, or kill Lazlow all together.. Thats what someone wants.. With that, I need to respect admins more, I need to be supportive to new moderators, and dont pull any dodgy shit on others.. Play fair and happy.
I am well prepered to do that. But you must confirm, that that is what you want.
And again, I am sorry for my bad behaviour.
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Empty words aint the way to go buddy, This ban was coused by many valid reasons, i guess The thing i saw long time ago appeard for others.
one issue i noted from server about you, is that the only thing you can show respect for is yourself, you consider youself as a sort of 'Special guy'
What i see in you is a Player like everyone else, and Players that cant Respect Administration, and complains about nonsens, Trying trick admins or speaking low on admins to others when admins aint around.
That sort of player isnt needed in a Server Where people try enjoy the game and have fun.
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Empty words aint the way to go buddy, This ban was coused by many valid reasons, i guess The thing i saw long time ago appeard for others.
one issue i noted from server about you, is that the only thing you can show respect for is yourself, you consider youself as a sort of 'Special guy'
What i see in you is a Player like everyone else, and Players that cant Respect Administration, and complains about nonsens, Trying trick admins or speaking low on admins to others when admins aint around.
That sort of player isnt needed in a Server Where people try enjoy the game and have fun.
Why do these unban requests piss peuple even more... ;(
Its YOU Tand that see empty words, I confesed all my sins.. None of this is Empty.. I am a 2 faced guy.. 1 face is Lazlow, other is me, the guy that controls that clown. My goal is to entertain players.. And to make players stay, to make them plans for future, to be creative, I support every single players ideas, I help anyone who asks for help.. On top of this proffesionality, I am trying not to be boring like the other admins/managers.. I have that freedom to be Entertaining, without any administration guidelines.. Lazlow is just a character that i chouse. From Outside, you and everybody sees that Idiotic, yet entertaining Lazlow, who doesnt rulebreak!!!
All this "Decives".. is way out of my.. Predictions.. I have no clue where u came up with this, and I never saw any of it.. Yet to your reply, u still didnt clearify which rule i brok - why am i banned?
When you say things about ME.. you say things about Lazlow, not me.. You dont know me Tandtrollet.. Im a normal human being like you.. I go to work, i come back from work to have fun in server, and give the fun and joy to others.. This reply is my Introduction to you, couse you just dont know me..
So your right, I do see myself as "Special guy", you dont have any of thouse in server, im the only one, and this server needs someone like me to push players up, to make them stay, to feel Welcomed!!! To see that this is actualy FUN server..
I have LOTS of friends in server.. Please keep that in mind.. I dont make friends by being rude and provoking and offensive.. Thats why you never heard anyone bad about me for provoking... I am a player, like everyone else, but i concentrate on bigger things, I dont come to relax and leave.. I come to really entertain in ANY way.. And I come for my friends..
Now.. Please.. Paste that sentence from your log, that you ONCE read that 1 line, that I told someone, not to talk to admins.. I dont remember that 1 moment, but If thats true, I would guess it was becouse I wanted to help admins, as im as well knowlaged as next admin.. I believe my intetions were to give more space to admins, to bother them less.. But please.. I dont remember well that moment, paste that 1 line, and you tell me, was that the line worth banning for? after over 1 year of experience, i may have done this once, and NOW u PERM ban me? Isntead of saying "dont ever do that again"? Please...
ok you said: "That sort of player isnt needed in a Server Where people try enjoy the game and have fun."
What do you think I really do in server? Just answer how you see me :)
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As both of you are not native English speakers, please be careful not to write too long texts.
Lazlow, if I am correct you admit to:
- cophunting to ' make things less dull'
- unfriendly attitude to admins and modertators as a 'joke'
- using admins being helpful to get advantage
This may be your in-game character, but you are the one controlling it.
So here are some tips:
-If things are dull, do not start fights or chases, but try to find innovative roleplay.
-Admins and moderators are players just like you, they deserve the same treatment as other players. Just because they have some responsibilities to maintain order should not make them subject to hostility and bullying
- The best players will never use things like teleport or admin favours. They would rather march 20 minutes than get a teleport or a car spawned.
Are you willing to change your behaviour and have a better attitude ?
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If what you mentioned is really that wrong, then Yes, I can just not do that.
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The lazlow i know Will not change, and 2 faced i have hard to see that, I think your had the chances to show the 'real lazlow' Couse the things you do in server As gandalf mentioned etc, we consider as rulebreaks, and you also know what we are talking about dont play us, you know that you try and try to get stuff out from admins etc, wich you dont have Something to do with, wich a normal player ever should try.
your a Person of pride, Pride that you can't Turn off, and its to big for you realize what we trying to tell you, you just keep turning this somewhere else.
away from, Where it truly belongs , at yourself.
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The lazlow i know Will not change, and 2 faced i have hard to see that, I think your had the chances to show the 'real lazlow' Couse the things you do in server As gandalf mentioned etc, we consider as rulebreaks, and you also know what we are talking about dont play us, you know that you try and try to get stuff out from admins etc, wich you dont have Something to do with, wich a normal player ever should try.
your a Person of pride, Pride that you can't Turn off, and its to big for you realize what we trying to tell you, you just keep turning this somewhere else.
away from, Where it truly belongs , at yourself.
How many times have I been banned? And how many times have I changed?
Tand, your making it too personal...
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How many times have I been banned? And how many times have I changed?
Tand, your making it too personal...
you Bin banned 7 Times, This will be your 8th.
And you keep on going on with this has something to do with me? i have nothing to do with this ban.
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you Bin banned 7 Times, This will be your 8th.
And you keep on going on with this has something to do with me? i have nothing to do with this ban.
wow :D Even i didnt know that.. Is that argonath high score? ^^ Im joking.. seriously I been banned 3 times.. i posted unban requests 3 times.. this is 3rd i believe..
And my ban reasons never repeated.. And this.. This reason.. I really didnt see it coming.. And Tand.. from bottom of my heart! I am not playing with you.. How could I dare to play the whole royal argonath team.. Im honest person, who wishes well for argonath.. I still dont see what I done so perm bannable.. If Attitude I need to change, I will... But that could have simply be asked.. I have no problems with that.
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wow :D Even i didnt know that.. Is that argonath high score? ^^ Im joking.. seriously I been banned 3 times.. i posted unban requests 3 times.. this is 3rd i believe..
And my ban reasons never repeated.. And this.. This reason.. I really didnt see it coming.. And Tand.. from bottom of my heart! I am not playing with you.. How could I dare to play the whole royal argonath team.. Im honest person, who wishes well for argonath.. I still dont see what I done so perm bannable.. If Attitude I need to change, I will... But that could have simply be asked.. I have no problems with that.
For ex.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=64249.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=64249.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=64485.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=64485.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=67019.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=67019.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71813.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71813.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71926.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71926.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71751.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=71751.0)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=80938.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=80938.0)
Then you evaded Tempban 1
So Listen up, Im not gonna argue With you, as long you dont see it yourself the stuff we trying to explain for you.
you will remain Absent from Server...
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I understood what I said.. and gandalf summarised it pretty well.. Thouse were the sins that I made, and the attitude towards admins could be more respectful. That I confeset myself, and that I can change.. But That was not why I was truely banned. But If we come down to thouse things,then I admit, and I will change.
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The First Step in The change will Be Done like this, this unban Request will be reviewed at 2012-03-16......
Take this Time and Try figure out reason of ''But That was not why I was truely banned''
Regards
Tand
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Is he serious? So im still left in cofusion, why I was banned in first place? Nobody ever explained it!! Dell banned me way too quickly, without giving me a reason what for, and without letting me explain.. he was over-raged with anger from talya, and passed on to me.. I asked for more detail on his complicated english words, he got so mad, and ban was rushed.. And you here cant specify either.. u are joking mate..
Atleast I deserve to KNOW why i was banned!! Whats the clear reason? Which rule did i broke? Not Provoking, Not insulting everybody.. Nothing of thouse..
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From moderator Rami:
Its YOU Tand that see empty words, I confesed all my sins.. None of this is Empty.. I am a 2 faced guy.. 1 face is Lazlow, other is me, the guy that controls that clown. My goal is to entertain players.. And to make players stay, to make them plans for future, to be creative, I support every single players ideas, I help anyone who asks for help.. On top of this proffesionality, I am trying not to be boring like the other admins/managers..
For god's sake, why are you provoking in your unban request? Not a surprise since you provoked me last night in forum chat while trying to help you..
When you say things about ME.. you say things about Lazlow, not me.. You dont know me Tandtrollet.. Im a normal human being like you.. I go to work, i come back from work to have fun in server, and give the fun and joy to others.. This reply is my Introduction to you, couse you just dont know me..
We don't know any player of server players IRL, why don't we have that impression on them?
You yourself told me in forum chat last night that Lazlow's personality is a bit offensive and that you're acting as it is.
You can clearly notice the tension between you and the A-Team because of your choice of acting like the character 'Lazlow', why don't you act just like who you are IRL? Not quoting others' personalities?
I'm sure if you show us the real 'Lazlow (You)' (Depending on what you say about yourself) things will change 180 degrees.
So your right, I do see myself as "Special guy", you dont have any of thouse in server, im the only one, and this server needs someone like me to push players up, to make them stay, to feel Welcomed!!! To see that this is actualy FUN server..
Just to show you that it's really hard to get your behavior changed: You told me in forum chat (Just 1 day go) that you will change your attitude and get rid of your arrogant personality, why the arrogance up there?!
I had couple of conversations with you in the past (Even before being a moderator) about your behavior/attitude, and you were thinking that it's completely normal to be who you are right now. Since then, I became hopeless about you getting changed.
Don't blame any of the A-Team about what's happening to you right now, you drawn this impression, and you can erase it (Unless it's too late..).
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Thank you Dino for your post.
For first bit, I was provoked.. after all the time I took to write this long post, tand called it empty words..
I am willing to delete lazlow at all as i stated above, if thats what u wish.. I can stop being this clown all together.. i can stop entertaining server, i can stop trying to get new players involved in different projects, i can stop trying being funny, but that call is on you guys.. I recieved a lot of positive feedback of this character, many players really admire me in server, thats why I feel like at home there.. but if thats who u want to kill.. Im happy to do so.. I will do what I did after my first ban.. I will stay at my "house", and have fun there with my friends.. closed door.. Im happy to do so.. I just want to see my friends again..
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Seams i did not make myself pretty clear, Topic will be reviewed in 1 Month , Please no other than lazlow or management post in here from now on.!
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Tand, with ALL do respect.. It is very unfair.. Server will lose many good players couse of this ban..
I guess if anyone will ask me again, why I got banned? I will have to say: I dont know...
[ADDED BELOW]
Had a good bath.. Had a think.. I know why I got banned.. but nobody summarised my defence..
I STATED ABOVE.. in my first post first first thing..
I believe, I got banned becouse: I was a Cool and Rude, and players like Talya and Cyclone and Sue (soon Amy) I Decieved. I changed them, I manipulated, All that what you GUESSED..
I remember now..
Dell came on server to ban me, but before he rushed that ban, thats what he was talking about with me..
All is coming back..
Dell explained me, that he done some investigation on Sue, and she is a bad girl, she legaly gets wanted, by driving fast in main road (Sounds familiar?) due to my influence..
Dell explained me, that Talya, learned all his bad moves and is worste than me, all learned from me..
Dell explained me, that Cyclone learned his bad ways also from me and Talya..
Dell explained me, that now he fears, that I will change Amy_Lu too.
I Ignored this as a reason for ban, right after I explained him..
After that, he was trying to continue to make me be that Deciever, and when he struggled explaining, he ended as me being "tricky". PERMENANTLY BANNED.
Now what I explained him;
Sue_Gvardia
Sue was allways a good driver, thats the main reason why she came to argonath, is to drive with me.. evenings.. till 4-5 AM.. constantly.. (good times).. Me and her, we allways were close, but didnt talk much.. We got each other backs.. 1 Time, I offered to play with cops, as a duet.. with our supercars.. As a matter of fact, I done that ALOT.. Allways a good fun. At that stage, I had no clue how we would get tail without cop-hunting.. but then I saw.. I just followed her, and she was driving high speed on main road.. And i thouth.. thats Genuise!!! Thats what we been doing for quite some times.. But not these days, anyways.. I havnt seen her for a long time.. This said, I DID NOT DECIEVED SUE_GVARDIA.
Talya.
I was busy with life for months.. showed up only evenings, still the same really.. I was allways the richest player.. I had my style and reputation for lazlow, earned it fairly. But 1 day, I saw a Helicopter.. and Infernus.. (I didnt had helicopter back then), he was richer than me!!! (Today I couldnt care less.. Im old and poor now..) I asked him, where all the money came from? He was very secret of it.. then we started to talk and talk.. not in nice ways.. He got very defensive.. I knew something was fishy about him, so I never talked to him since then.. never liked him.. And i didnt like him becouse im not the richest player.. Which sounds funny, but true. I never ever spoke with him again. So there is NO Chance, that i have any influence on him, I DID NOT DECIEVED TALYA.
Cyclone.
I never had any close relationships with him.. He was a next guy in server.. Then I started to add more to my "Exotic Car Crew" and I offered him to join for 1 ride, see if he likes.. He was [SFC]Cyclone at that moment. He was in Talyas gang.. He was good.. he had slow pc, which kept him behind, didnt fit too well to crew, but he knows English, he understands, and focuses, as a matter of fact, hes fun to hang around with.. he talks as much as I do.. good partner indeed. we NEVER pulled any dodgy shits, except once. We to get a little bit suspected.. I did.. I done my normal legal cophunt.. on high roads.. I dont remember too well, but I even believe that I wasnt the one who got suspected first.. it was someone from crew, but not me nor him.. I thought, great.. We got a starter.. Then we as crew, helped him.. we tryed to give space to the suspect, that got us 6 suspected.
We had moments when 1 crash, 1 on foot.. we needed to get that man a car.. so 4 supercars had to give space and time to the 5th one to get the 6th one a supercar.. basicly.. was good fun. 6 Criminals with Gold color different type of exotic cars, running away from around 10 cops (16 player event). Yet even few coppers pmed few of our crew members, that its a great chase, great fun.. It sure was.
Point is: These cophunts were the only thing Cyclone saw. i know nothing about SFC, I know nothing about Talya, and I didnt know that cyc lead by talya to bad manners.. And I would have never guessed that, Couse Cyclone is a very good player, and hes not stupid.. I DID NOT DECIEVED CYCLONE.
Amy_Lu.
I got banned, becouse they were afraid that I am missleading Amy_Lu. Let me tell you what exotic car crew does.
We mainly DRIVE. Slowly.. Beutifly, In Order, Proffesionaly, With STYLE!. THE END. This is what we cosntantly do. we are EYE CANDY to server. You must see to believe how owesome it is.
Occasionaly, we DO a race.. when nobody is around.. we dont normaly cop hunt.. it was 1 instance. And the reason IS AMY_LU. She is Amaizingly proffesional FBI. I am shocked how strongly she is dedicated to her job, And i would never EVER change her ways.. I respect ppl like her, and server DO need more like her. So she is SOMETIMES with us, when shes not required by duty, just to add that +1 Exotic car for our crew ride.. in NO WAY i changed her, or wanted to change.. I DID NOT DECIEVED AMY_LU and I would never...
So thats why all this reason for this ban is so out of the skys to me, couse im no Deciever..
So let me tell you this. Its my 2nd INVALID Ban. Previouse ban was Invalid too. Throu wich i WILL be Punished, just becouse it was not understood by thouse who investigated around me.. Dell Ignored it.. Tandtrollet, I hope you wount.
THIS MUST BE THE DECIEVED REASON, THIS MUST BE WHERE U PULLED THIS S**T ON ME.. THIS IS WHAT I DID NOT DO. I wish you good day.
I assumed That was why this 30 days ban was for.. for me to realise this..
But this miss-understanding, miss-assumtion gave me a completly new view.. as to Lazlow.. I never looked at myself from managers view, I could have never guessed that my attitude could have Decieved anyone (And It didnt) but this view opened my eyes in new way.. That whoever observes me, might learn and use it for themselfs.. So If I will ever have a bad thouth on doing something wrong.. I should allways think twice, as to what example I might show to others.
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Lazlow you still talking about changes, they dont happen in 2 days, we gaved you chances to do such!, This time we will make it for you, one important Step is to face the consequences that your handles brought you, and its start now, and its up to you to take this or not.
Even if you cant admit your foults without an argue, and if you dont understand, I told you a date When i will review this topic, untill then i wont answer so this is the last reply i make before that date.
And ye i am human i forgive people, i give them chances all along, im not a bad person but i hope you do see, we had enough of your game.
And i hope you do see this time is different, maybe its time to erase Lazlow, and might Give him a Last chance, on a resetted account.
Time will tell, take this time off and consider the future inside this community, Argonath Can Forgive but not forget
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Wow.. I never seen you so nice.. :) Thank you for replay, and I wait for the date.. ;)
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Today is the date of the Review. What did find out during this time absent.
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Today is the date of the Review. What did find out during this time absent.
That I am not welcomed.
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That I am not welcomed.
if thats the only thing you camed up with during this time, then time away is not enough.
what do you think, and what are your thoughts, regarding your future in this community?...
Are you ready to Completely Change yourself, For Playing again?
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Are you ready to Completely Change yourself, For Playing again?
Yes.
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Then tell me, Why would we let you back in? Since this is a Copy of all other requests you made, they all turned out in empty words, what is different this time?
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Then tell me, Why would we let you back in? Since this is a Copy of all other requests you made, they all turned out in empty words, what is different this time?
I dont know what your talking about.. I was never banned twice for same reasons... Well, If you will unban me, I guarantee you, I wount couse any more trouble to anyone. Im sorry.
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im still not convinced, if this is what you realy want,or if it's the correct way for us to go, and if the words you tell me is real..
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im still not convinced, if this is what you realy want,or if it's the correct way for us to go, and if the words you tell me is real..
Well, Im sorry to hear that. It is up to you Tand, If you really think that I will come to server and start cousing problems, than its your judgment, but then I would get banned again... and obviously nobody wants that..
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Remember me as the Person, that will give you the Very Last Chance, when others would not, to Prove you Can do this, To Head for a Better Future inside Argonathrpg..
To Be Unbanned at 2012-04-04
Until that.
yours Journey with improvement has began
Lazlow Unbanned