Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: McGarrett on March 04, 2012, 06:40:55 pm
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Hi, I just got scammed 50k from casino, and I know basically why.
I want the new rule to go as this;
After the player sends the dealer the ammount of cash, he have to /dice right away. Dealer will probably wait 7 or more seconds before he say "go" which means you will get around 1-3 with the dices (in x2).
I don't want this to be allowed because it is just as scamming, it is cheating.
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Can you please elaborate on where you said "After the player sends the dealer the ammount of cash, he have to /dice right away."
Why must the player immediately do /dice after sending the money?
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"Dealer will probably wait 7 or more seconds before he say "go" which means you will get around 1-3 with the dices (in x2)."
What ?.. The script is random, you can wait 2sec or 1 hour, it'll still be random, how so after 7seconds you have 1-3 ?
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Can you please elaborate on where you said "After the player sends the dealer the ammount of cash, he have to /dice right away."
Why must the player immediately do /dice after sending the money?
try sending the dealer money, then do /dice after 7 seconds +. You will get automatically a low ammount, I know this trick because I've researched on it, I've lost more than 100k on it, trust me. That's why I am playing with fair dealers that doesn't say "wait for my go".
Look..
[00:01] Dealer: Send the money
[00:03] Player sends Dealer 5000 dollars.
[00:04] Dealer: Wait for my go
[00:10] Dealer: go
[00:11] Player rolls the dices and gets 1/2/3
[00:11] Player rolls the dices and gets 1/2/3
[00:13] Dealer rolls the dices and gets 1-6
[00:13] Dealer rolls the dices and gets 1-6
It is the same as cheating.
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1. Why can you not wait for the dealer to say GO
2. What exactly do you mean by scammed ? If casino staff scams, the owner runs the risk of casino being disowned.
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try sending the dealer money, then do /dice after 7 seconds +. You will get automatically a low ammount, I know this trick because I've researched on it, I've lost more than 100k on it, trust me. That's why I am playing with fair dealers that doesn't say "wait for my go".
Look..
[00:01] Dealer: Send the money
[00:03] Player sends Dealer 5000 dollars.
[00:04] Dealer: Wait for my go
[00:10] Dealer: go
[00:11] Player rolls the dices and gets 1/2/3
[00:11] Player rolls the dices and gets 1/2/3
[00:13] Dealer rolls the dices and gets 1-6
[00:13] Dealer rolls the dices and gets 1-6
It is the same as cheating.
Prove it by playing 100 times waiting for the same amount of time.
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Prove it by playing 100 times waiting for the same amount of time.
I am not willing to give away lots of my own money for providing research in this case. Why can't you check it out yourself?
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I am not willing to give away lots of my own money for providing research in this case. Why can't you check it out yourself?
Because it's not like that. The script generates a completely random number from 1 to 6. It doesn't depend on time or anything, it's 100% random.
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Just wait for the dealer to say go, or ask him if you can go first..
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I am not willing to give away lots of my own money for providing research in this case. Why can't you check it out yourself?
Because you have presented us with no evidence, perhaps you can tell us more about this research.
I will take this opportunity to advise everyone to only gamble with casino owners inside their casino if you want to reduce your risk as much as possible; any casino owner who scams a gambler inside his own casino will lose his casino and not be refunded the value, this is on top of being banned. That is a large incentive to play fair.
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The script works on random.org so the so called "cheat" you claim is not possible, if it is, prove it.
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The script works on random.org so the so called "cheat" you claim is not possible, if it is, prove it.
give me a few rounds and I'll provide valid evidence.
Because you have presented us with no evidence, perhaps you can tell us more about this research.
I will take this opportunity to advise everyone to only gamble with casino owners inside their casino if you want to reduce your risk as much as possible; any casino owner who scams a gambler inside his own casino will lose his casino and not be refunded the value, this is on top of being banned. That is a large incentive to play fair.
The dealer should not be allowed to tell somebody "go", because mostly of the dealers knows this trick, which gives them the advantage to take away big amounts of money from the player. Which is deliberately cheating in the casino with a hidden trick. It is indirectly scamming.
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I am not willing to give away lots of my own money for providing research in this case. Why can't you check it out yourself?
You do not have to give away any money. The /dice in a casino is not depending on the command of a dealer but can be used at any time. You can type GO, wait 7 seconds and do /dice without actually gambling for money.
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You do not have to give away any money. The /dice in a casino is not depending on the command of a dealer but can be used at any time. You can type GO, wait 7 seconds and do /dice without actually gambling for money.
That Casino Regulatory Commission I talked to you about a while ago would restore confidence in casinos just as much as threatening to remove the properties. We should really get back in to talks about that.
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Dealer will probably wait 7 or more seconds before he say "go" which means you will get around 1-3 with the dices (in x2).
Do you seriously believe that? :lol:
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Dice results for 100 rounds are stored before they are even used. The numbers are based on http://www.random.org/ (http://www.random.org/) which bases it's numbers on atmospheric noise.
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I saw this occur as I spectated a player due another report in the same building. When I saw you claimed the dealer was cheating did I made my voice heard and requested your explanation to your accusations. You told me the same things you've written in this topic and I told you to report any bug to a scripter.
The /dice command is based on random.org, it does not matter if you waiting one seconds or twenty seconds. It would be the same outcome.
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It is all superstitions and those little birds in your head telling you they are cheating.
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Dice results for 100 rounds are stored before they are even used. The numbers are based on http://www.random.org/ (http://www.random.org/) which bases it's numbers on atmospheric noise.
Then how in the name of God is it possible that everytime I dice before it has gone 7 seconds, I'll get randomly number(not quite often 1), and as fast as it has gone 7 seconds I get a number around 1-3
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You're just unlucky, stop gambling.
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Then how in the name of God is it possible that everytime I dice before it has gone 7 seconds, I'll get randomly number(not quite often 1), and as fast as it has gone 7 seconds I get a number around 1-3
I believe you are stuck in a hallucination and need to wake up and come back to the real world, there is luck and unluck.
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I believe you are stuck in a hallucination and need to wake up and come back to the real world, there is luck and unluck.
Said it all.
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I tested it today. Sent money to myself, waited 7 seconds, guess what?
I got completely random numbers. :roll:
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I tested it today. Sent money to myself, waited 7 seconds, guess what?
I got completely random numbers. :roll:
It's not possible to send money to yourself! Lier!
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I've seen people enter casinos, say they're going to get 21 and then get 21 several times in a row. I'm not sure if they were just being cocky or they know a system to confuse the script... but it's definately strange.
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You're just unlucky, stop gambling.
If I were unlucky then I wouldn't win 900k 2 days ago would I?
I believe you are stuck in a hallucination and need to wake up and come back to the real world, there is luck and unluck.
You know what. That's actually a comment I find provoking.
I've been gambling in Argonath for more than a year. I think I know some tricks a little better than you ;) Trust me.
But, I am trying to provide a maturely discussion here and all I see is waistless comments making fun of this, but just lock it or something. I just didn't want anybody else to be scammed by a trick.
Just like I don't know all the dice tricks in Argonath, that you should do /saynumber 1 then /saynumber 6 and get closest as 6 as possible, then do /dice four times fast in a row, then wait 7 seconds and /dice again till you get 21. No, simply because I haven't owned a casino myself and actually earned money in it. Because if you do /dice four times fast in a row you'll probably get around 16, then after 7 seconds you'd get low ammounts which will make you reach 21 easily.
Because when you wait 7 seconds after /sending cash or /dicing you'll get around 1-3 without any stress.
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Where do you even get this info?
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Where do you even get this info?
As I stated, I have been a casino dealer and I've played in casino for more than a year in Argonath. I've had my bad times and my good times.
I've done researching
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More than a year? Bro im an old fish in Casino business and i've seen you once in the casino.People don't believe this crap, it's all random. :lol:
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Even the scripter himself who scripted the script said it himself it is impossible to predict what numbers are coming or use a "trick" to beat the script.
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If you think, after 7 seconds it comes 1-3(low dice), when the dealer says 'Go' you can just wait more like 10 sec and then do /dice..
I read all the topic... You also meant that the Dealer scams by saying the "GO" later...
You can wait too.. Just dice after some more seconds..
Simple.
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Seriously dude , i have 4 years of gambing and i never found that research lol .
i only found a trick that you can choose the number you want , but after 7 seconds you get from 1-3 i didnt found that.
try to give them more evidence so they may trust you .
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As I stated, I have been a casino dealer and I've played in casino for more than a year in Argonath. I've had my bad times and my good times.
I've done researching
The only way to convince us is by showing statistical data. You can do it any time you want in game, but to prove it you need to be able to do the same trick a number of times. As the script does not mind if you send money or not, you can do it any time and anywhere you want.
So here is the deal: you prove it by doing this trick minimal 20 times in a row, and we will check the logs on outcome.
If you manage to get a more than statistical amount of low or high numbers we will check the script for possible hiccups.
If not you aill make a public statement that you were telling bullshit.
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It's not possible to send money to yourself! Lier!
Orly? Try it then, it works. :D
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MrBorsh is a vegetable.
I've done my research.
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The only way to convince us is by showing statistical data. You can do it any time you want in game, but to prove it you need to be able to do the same trick a number of times. As the script does not mind if you send money or not, you can do it any time and anywhere you want.
So here is the deal: you prove it by doing this trick minimal 20 times in a row, and we will check the logs on outcome.
If you manage to get a more than statistical amount of low or high numbers we will check the script for possible hiccups.
If not you aill make a public statement that you were telling bullshit.
I'll provide evidence, but twenty times in a row is a little bit heavy. However as stated the scripter of this script did not know about this. But, if I didn't find this suspicious, then I'd not bring it to public, but simply use this trick myself.
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If you expect to get consistent results you need to test rigorously.
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MrBorsh is a vegetable.
I've done my research.
The abovementioned quote is a clear provoke.
I've done my research.
Seriously guys, this guy is only trying to tell something and you're all calling him an idiot and start provoking him. If you do not agree with his words, thoughts or actions, leave him be but don't start provoking him. Gandalf, since he's one of the few actually responding seriously (I guess he must, as he's also a rolemodel), will take this idea/report and reply to it or lock if necessary.
Ps. I know I'm not an admin, so don't pull that on me. Besides, a member of the community has just as much rights to point people on their behaviour as an admin of the community does.
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When will people realize that cheating or glitching dice is IMPOSSIBLE?
Seriously guys, this guy is only trying to tell something and you're all calling him an idiot and start provoking him. If you do not agree with his words, thoughts or actions, leave him be but don't start provoking him. Gandalf, since he's one of the few actually responding seriously (I guess he must, as he's also a rolemodel), will take this idea/report and reply to it or lock if necessary.
He's not "only trying to tell something", he can't accept a loss in a casino and turns to absurd ideas of people cheating it.
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When will people realize that cheating or glitching dice is IMPOSSIBLE?
He's not "only trying to tell something", he can't accept a loss in a casino and turns to absurd ideas of people cheating it.
Pardon? Accept losing. Read the whole topic before you start making corrections and statements, will ya? Everytime I go to a casino, I do win. I do not leave the casino
before I've won at least 150k. If you start making accusations that I do not accept losing, then I really want you to explain to me. How the hell can I organise MrBorsh 100k Saturday QUIZes every weekend?
I created this topic because I want fair play. I don't give a shit if you go into the same trap as I did. I know now that if the dealer tells me to wait for his go, then I refuse diceing and ask the dealer to return my money.
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Enough, there is no need for this topic to turn into an argument.
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Alright so I've been reading this topic ever since you posted it and honestly, I feel sorry for you.
You're making such a fool out of yourself that it is simply painful to watch, so I'm going to end this.
All the facts are against you. The dices are decided randomly by the almighty atmosphere, so how the hell can someone cheat at it? You've gained response from both the owners and the lead scripters and they have both declared your so called "research" for bullshit.
Hell, even I've disproved this. I went to a dealer, sent money, waited 7 seconds on purpose to check your theory of low numbers, did a x3 dice and I got 4 4 5.
If you don't want to gamble with dealers anymore, it's fine, really. Go be a dealer yourself and start playing by the rules you want, it's not really harder than that.
Unless you can actually prove that the atmosphere hates you and deliberately tries to make you lose at dices, you've really not got jack shit to go about.
Stop being paranoid and carry on with your life.
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Alright so I've been reading this topic ever since you posted it and honestly, I feel sorry for you.
You're making such a fool out of yourself that it is simply painful to watch, so I'm going to end this.
All the facts are against you. The dices are decided randomly by the almighty atmosphere, so how the hell can someone cheat at it? You've gained response from both the owners and the lead scripters and they have both declared your so called "research" for bullshit.
Hell, even I've disproved this. I went to a dealer, sent money, waited 7 seconds on purpose to check your theory of low numbers, did a x3 dice and I got 4 4 5.
If you don't want to gamble with dealers anymore, it's fine, really. Go be a dealer yourself and start playing by the rules you want, it's not really harder than that.
Unless you can actually prove that the atmosphere hates you and deliberately tries to make you lose at dices, you've really not got jack shit to go about.
Stop being paranoid and carry on with your life.
I wonder how often the owners play on the casino in Argonath. I am not being pardonid. I just came with a proposal. And if you actually read the whole topic then you'd actually would see that I've made money in casinos. I suggest we just end this conversation or I can proceed alone with Ronnel in private. I am not interested listening to your bullcrap that my username sound like a vegetable soup or anything bullcrap like that. Including that you claim me for being paranoid. I want a mature discussion and I do not want to waist my time argueing with childrens with a shitty behaviour, but actually stick to the subject.
I will probably be discussing this with Gimli, or any of the owners on skype, msn or so.
Happy playing
Lock the topic please.
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I wonder how often the owners play on the casino in Argonath. I am not being pardonid. I just came with a proposal. And if you actually read the whole topic then you'd actually would see that I've made money in casinos. I suggest we just end this conversation or I can proceed alone with Ronnel in private. I am not interested listening to your bullcrap that my username sound like a vegetable soup or anything bullcrap like that. Including that you claim me for being paranoid. I want a mature discussion and I do not want to waist my time argueing with childrens with a shitty behaviour, but actually stick to the subject.
I will probably be discussing this with Gimli, or any of the owners on skype, msn or so.
Happy playing
Lock the topic please.
I did read the whole topic, and I did see that you've actually made money in casinos. Now if you'd actually read my post you'd see that I've never stated otherwise.
I'm not the one spreading bullcrap here, merely just telling you the facts that have already been told by the scripters, and I have not insulted your username either.
Now before you call anyone for children, take a look at yourself and the fool you make yourself look like. If you want a mature discussion, you have to come with mature arguments instead of "research" you are unable to back up.
You've been asked by the server owners to provide evidence for your claims, you have refused. And yet, here you are saying that I am the one spreading bullshit. Ironic, isn't it?
Now for the paranoia part, yes, I did indeed call you paranoid and I stand by it. Only a paranoid person would believe in some magic 7 second rule in a random script decided by the atmosphere of the Earth.
The owners and the scripters have already answered you in this topic, and I honestly don't think they'll waste their time discussing it with you in a private chat.
And lastly, neither this post nor my previous post contains any off-topic, so don't come here and tell me to "stick to the subject" only because you've run out of valid arguments.
Have a nice evening.
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I tried this.
Got something like 5 2 6 and 4 4 3
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I rarely want to repeat myself. I have not refused to provide any evidences.. I will provide evidence, but currently I am unable to go ingame. I am using my phone here and again.
Lock this topic
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Locked, as requested.