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Title: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Reece on March 28, 2012, 02:37:55 pm
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Prime Minister David Cameron has defended the decision to charge VAT on hot food served by shops and supermarkets.
Mr Cameron said that the move - which will add 20% to the cost of hot pies and pasties sold by shops such as Greggs - would defend takeaway restaurants against competition from major chains.

Chancellor George Osborne was accused of being out of touch after he was unable to recall when he last bought a pasty as he answered questions on Tuesday about the so-called "pie tax" in Parliament.

But Mr Cameron was quick to declare himself a keen pasty-eater, telling reporters he recently bought a large one from an outlet at Leeds station, adding: "And very good it was too."

Greggs chief executive Ken McMeikan has said ministers had "lost touch" and did not appreciate the impact the changes to VAT rules would have on ordinary people.

The high street chain saw millions wiped off its shares after the Budget closed a loophole that has meant some hot takeaway foods, such as sausage rolls and pasties, escaped the duty. The move sparked outrage, with critics pointing to the contrast of a cut in the 50p top tax rate.
But speaking at a Downing Street press conference, Mr Cameron said that Mr Osborne was trying to bring shops into line with the VAT charged for more than two decades on takeaway burger bars, fried chicken restaurants and fish and chip shops.

The Prime Minister said: "Many, many small businesses in this country, whether selling fried chicken or fish and chips or hot takeaway pies, are already paying VAT. What the Government has to try to do is make sure the VAT rules are fairly applied.

"I don't think it is fair that the small businessman running a fried chicken takeaway is having to charge his customers VAT but the big supermarket isn't having to pay VAT on fresh hot chicken. It's about trying to have a sensible VAT arrangement where the boundaries are sensible."

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So now VAT at 20% will be charged on hot food such as Pies and Pasty's, my humble opinion is that this is bloody ridiculous and it is the government once more trying to claw at money.

What do you think about this new tax?
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Jcstodds on March 28, 2012, 04:23:52 pm
Interestingly there is no VAT on food such as Caviar or Salmon.
http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/business/there-s-no-tax-on-caviar-or-smoked-salmon-so-why-put-it-on-our-pies-1-4387076

Again... why do we put up with such a rob dogging government who is like the Sheriff of Nottingham, only with a smug face and whitened teeth.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Reece on March 28, 2012, 04:47:40 pm
Of course not... anything for the rich. The middle class are just left out to dry and the poor a left to rot.

The sooner the torries get out of power.. the better..
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on March 28, 2012, 09:13:53 pm
Yea David Cameron is financial genius!
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Ben. on March 28, 2012, 09:30:31 pm
Interestingly there is no VAT on food such as Caviar or Salmon.
http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/business/there-s-no-tax-on-caviar-or-smoked-salmon-so-why-put-it-on-our-pies-1-4387076

Again... why do we put up with such a rob dogging government who is like the Sheriff of Nottingham, only with a smug face and whitened teeth.
Rich get richer, and the poor gets poorer...that is, presuming most poor people don't eat caviar!
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Jcstodds on March 29, 2012, 10:18:12 am
No, poor people eat pies and pastys from Greggs.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Ben. on March 29, 2012, 10:19:07 am
No, poor people eat pies and pastys from Greggs.
Exactly...so we pay more (as teh poorer ones) and the rich people get richer on caviar!
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Jack Rosso on March 29, 2012, 10:46:08 am
Money has to be made from something..  :lol:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Reece on March 29, 2012, 11:04:44 am
Money has to be made from something..  :lol:

It's not the point, and as you are not from the UK, it's highly unlikely that you will understand the issue with this unless you have sound political knowledge.

The torries (Conservative party) have clearly displayed a preference for the rich over any other social class. The latest budget by the ever popular Osborne, has further shown a blatant preference for the rich.. providing them with further more benefits and further displaying Favoritism for them.

As previously said, the richer get richer and the poor get poorer. But the fact is, it's not just the poor that are worse of.. it's pensioners.. it's the middle class.. the working people... THE CORE OF BRITAIN... The rich will always be favored by the Conservatives.. which is why they have no chance of coming into power again. The main reason they did this time was because nobody wanted another 4 years of the labour party after the major mess that Gordon Brown left us...

Taxing Pasty's is just another stupid move by this shitty mess coalition and the sooner they are out... the better...
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 01, 2012, 06:51:11 am
Most politicians never truly understand the impact of the financial changes they sign, since they wear well-tailored suits on a daily basis and go to work in shiny cars.

There's no telling what they will tax next, perhaps in the near future you would not be able to afford some new underwar.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: ~Legend~ on April 01, 2012, 11:36:36 am
On the surface it just looks like a bit of joke, was reading it up on news and all recently.. but.. eh... the economy isn't really "great" at the moment - that we all know :P - and I really wonder what things will be like in a decade or so.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 03, 2012, 12:23:47 am
Don't complain about tax untill you live in a socialist society like Canada  :D
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Pandalink on April 04, 2012, 01:08:46 am
Of course not... anything for the rich. The middle class are just left out to dry and the poor a left to rot.

The sooner the torries get out of power.. the better..
What party would you suggest? No party represents the middle class.

No, poor people eat pies and pastys from Greggs.
Really? Greggs isn't exactly cheap.

The rich will always be favored by the Conservatives.. which is why they have no chance of coming into power again.
The tories will get into power again. The lib dems are (rightfully) a complete laughing stock and are essentially a non-party (once again), and labour is just awful at everything. They'll f**k the economy so hard that it won't even be able to walk for a week, not to mention those jackasses Miliband and Balls. Over that rubbish choice, I'll take Cameron and Osborne any day.
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Post by: Reece on April 04, 2012, 01:12:12 am
These guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Independence_Party).
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Post by: Pandalink on April 04, 2012, 01:55:04 am
These guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Independence_Party).
Indeed. I support UKIP, actually, although sadly a vote for UKIP is one less tactical conservative vote.

We'll have to wait for the EU to do something really retarded and for that thing to get mass media attention (and come into effect, thus affecting the common person) before UKIP will start gaining anything in the election. Here's hoping, though.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Mikal on April 05, 2012, 04:53:43 pm
Pastys can go to hell!
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Pandalink on April 05, 2012, 05:18:53 pm
Pastys can go to hell!
no
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Reece on April 05, 2012, 05:58:34 pm
Pastys can go to hell!

no
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Mikal on April 05, 2012, 08:43:44 pm
Pastys can go to hell!
I must agree with this guy.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 08, 2012, 01:08:05 pm
I must agree with this guy.

If they taxed pizzas and someone says pizzas can go to hell,

 :m4:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Mikal on April 08, 2012, 02:45:24 pm
If they taxed pizzas and someone says pizzas can go to hell,

 :m4:
I don't eat pastys or pizzas that often.  :lol:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Pandalink on April 08, 2012, 06:38:57 pm
I don't eat pastys or pizzas that often.  :lol:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PLjNWOu-Zn0/SqUwRa938NI/AAAAAAAAA24/aXlYy1lmsWg/s400/theres-the-door-now-get-the-%25&@%23-out.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Mikal on April 08, 2012, 07:55:21 pm
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PLjNWOu-Zn0/SqUwRa938NI/AAAAAAAAA24/aXlYy1lmsWg/s400/theres-the-door-now-get-the-%25&@%23-out.jpg)
I don't eat doors that often either...  :conf:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 09, 2012, 05:38:44 am
I don't eat doors that often either...  :conf:

I'm a door eater and I find this offensive. :war:

But in all seriousness, what food are you betting they will tax next?
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Reece on April 09, 2012, 10:02:36 am
I'm a door eater and I find this offensive. :war:

But in all seriousness, what food are you betting they will tax next?

Not quite food, but I wouldn't be surprised if they stuck a Tax on Tea.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Mikal on April 09, 2012, 01:08:31 pm
I'm a door eater and I find this offensive. :war:

But in all seriousness, what food are you betting they will tax next?
Well they already taxed buscuits which is why every buscuit company is like, 'NO SIR MR GOVERNMENT, IT'S CAKE NOT BUSCUIT!'  :razz:
Anyway they'll probibly tax pot noodles next.  :lol:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 11, 2012, 04:22:46 pm
Well they already taxed buscuits which is why every buscuit company is like, 'NO SIR MR GOVERNMENT, IT'S CAKE NOT BUSCUIT!'  :razz:
Anyway they'll probibly tax pot noodles next.  :lol:

What kind of government gets fooled into thinking a biscuit is a cake? :neutral:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Mikal on April 11, 2012, 05:28:42 pm
What kind of government gets fooled into thinking a biscuit is a cake? :neutral:
There was an argument with Wagon Wheels (Chocolate bar) over wether it was a chocolate bar, buscuit or cake, obviously the company that produces them argued that it was the one that was going to make them save on tax money.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Pandalink on April 11, 2012, 06:12:33 pm
If it goes hard when it goes off, it's a cake.
If the reverse is true, it's a biscuit.

 :)
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Mikal on April 11, 2012, 07:52:28 pm
If it goes hard when it goes off, it's a cake.
If the reverse is true, it's a biscuit.

 :)
Lol thats true!
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 12, 2012, 06:09:51 am
There was an argument with Wagon Wheels (Chocolate bar) over wether it was a chocolate bar, buscuit or cake, obviously the company that produces them argued that it was the one that was going to make them save on tax money.

It's like people arguing over if a duck-billed platypus is a duck or a beaver, when it's neither of them. :neutral:

Were they able to save money on their "cakes" or did they still get taxed? :lol:
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Post by: Mikal on April 12, 2012, 01:47:23 pm
It's like people arguing over if a duck-billed platypus is a duck or a beaver, when it's neither of them. :neutral:

Were they able to save money on their "cakes" or did they still get taxed? :lol:
No they managed to keep it as a chocolate bar, not a buscuit! (They didn't get taxed but there was a court dispute over it).  :razz:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 12, 2012, 03:45:27 pm
I've seen different sorts of bulllshit going on in politics. But a court dispute over if a food is a biscuit or a cake...

What the hell is this world coming to? :neutral:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Pandalink on April 12, 2012, 03:47:00 pm
I've seen different sorts of bulllshit going on in politics. But a court dispute over if a food is a biscuit or a cake...
Why wouldn't there be? It changes the tax status of a good which has a significant effect on their business.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 12, 2012, 04:08:38 pm
Why wouldn't there be? It changes the tax status of a good which has a significant effect on their business.

I know. But with all the problems in the political and financial systems, there are definitely much better things to argue about in court than if a food is a biscuit or a cake. :neutral:

Hence my belief that politics is the second most influential amount of madness.
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Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on April 15, 2012, 07:58:12 pm
Reading this makes me want to cry. Fast food is what I live on when on a shift.
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Post by: SafetyMoose on April 15, 2012, 08:52:11 pm
There should be no tax on food and clothing period.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 16, 2012, 08:26:01 am
There should be no tax on food and clothing period.

Exactly, these are necessities. However, I believe extra-expensive variants of both (i.e: thousand-dollar suits) should get a tax as only the upper-middle / upper class are able to afford them. Other than that, there should be no tax.

If the government should place tax on something, it should be on luxury items such as expensive furniture and cars.
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Post by: Mikal on April 16, 2012, 02:00:28 pm
If the government wants to save/make more money (not being racist here), they should kick all the immigrents out that are just coming over, having like 8 kids and claiming non-stop child benefits, half of them only have this amount of kids for the money and it's pathetic.
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Post by: SafetyMoose on April 16, 2012, 05:11:24 pm
Exactly, these are necessities. However, I believe extra-expensive variants of both (i.e: thousand-dollar suits) should get a tax as only the upper-middle / upper class are able to afford them. Other than that, there should be no tax.

If the government should place tax on something, it should be on luxury items such as expensive furniture and cars.

Yeah, In Canada we only tax food and clothing over a certain value.. I don't know the actual limit on the price though....
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 18, 2012, 07:55:09 am
If the government wants to save/make more money (not being racist here), they should kick all the immigrents out that are just coming over, having like 8 kids and claiming non-stop child benefits, half of them only have this amount of kids for the money and it's pathetic.
Or they should get a better system for benefits management.

If the government is putting more and more taxes, it only shows they are either not managing their budget properly, or that they are desperate to invest even more money (which they do not have yet) into something.
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Post by: [WS]Jacob on April 19, 2012, 05:39:47 pm
Or they should get a better system for benefits management.

If the government is putting more and more taxes, it only shows they are either not managing their budget properly, or that they are desperate to invest even more money (which they do not have yet) into something.
We need to decrease the population not just in Britain but the whole world. Everywhere is becoming overcrowded and it's a drain on resources like food and housing.

As JDC said we need a more effective benefits management and maybe the more children you have say over 4 then the amount of benefits you get per child after the 4 decreases.
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Post by: Mikal on April 19, 2012, 06:02:43 pm
We need to decrease the population not just in Britain but the whole world. Everywhere is becoming overcrowded and it's a drain on resources like food and housing.

As JDC said we need a more effective benefits management and maybe the more children you have say over 4 then the amount of benefits you get per child after the 4 decreases.

The UKs solution:
If the government wants to save/make more money (not being racist here), they should kick all the immigrents out that are just coming over, having like 8 kids and claiming non-stop child benefits, half of them only have this amount of kids for the money and it's pathetic.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Marcell on April 21, 2012, 12:10:09 pm
Interesting, before this happened, Polish politicians got the idea of setting VAT on fast foods. I wonder if UK got the idea from our money munchers..
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Post by: Mikal on April 21, 2012, 01:15:56 pm
Interesting, before this happened, Polish politicians got the idea of setting VAT on fast foods. I wonder if UK got the idea from our money munchers..
This countries PM is screwing the country over, first he gets rid of our only aircraft carrier, then he's taxing every little thing, now he removes child benefits from people who need it (there are regulations on this though) but anyway the UK needs a new PM, this one is just trying to get the government as much money as possible.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 21, 2012, 03:11:20 pm
trying to get the government as much money as possible.

Apparently, that is the point of politics in many of today's governments.
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: Mikal on April 21, 2012, 10:29:29 pm
Apparently, that is the point of politics in many of today's governments.
Yes and isnt politics supposed to be helping the country?  :roll:
Title: Re: UK Puts a tax on PASTY'S?!?!!?
Post by: JDC on April 23, 2012, 10:44:54 am
Yes and isnt politics supposed to be helping the country?  :roll:

There's a difference between in theory and in practice. :D
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