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Title: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 10:08:52 am
Please note, where ever I had said "Civilians" I meant un-sused criminals. By criminals I mean people who USUALLY RP as a criminal character!
Hello everybody,

you can already guess from the title what this petition is going to be about. Well let me explain myself. You may be thinking that if passing this petition the server will become some sort of Cops VS Criminals server. Well the shootouts may be but not the roleplay. If un-sused civilians were able to assist there criminal friends then the more concentrated the criminal actions/roleplay will be. I agree with the fact that you cannot just enter half way through a bank robbery, BUT if your criminal friends are in need, when running from police un-sused friends should be able to help them. I am doing this because I believe that the server is becoming more biased FOR the police, and more against towards criminal's.

You may be thinking that it might be a handfull for administration and police. Well if this petition is passed then administration have nothing to worry about BUT the rulebreakers/roleplay ruiners who re-join the RP. For police I believe that estimately ATLEAST 3/4 if not half the server is on police duty 24/7! Criminals take up about 1/4, so I don't see why it should be such a hassle for police to take care of us, maybe there'll be more jobs for police, along with more concentrated ROLEPLAY!


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To conclude, I believe that this petition should be passed, mainly for the more concentrated criminal roleplay and the less biasedness towards police, thank you for reading. Every vote counts!
Title: Re: [PETITON] Unsused Civilians able to assist criminal friends from police
Post by: jimmy_teixeira on April 06, 2012, 10:15:16 am
For my personal opinion, I think its stupid.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Unsused Civilians able to assist criminal friends from police
Post by: Karmps. on April 06, 2012, 10:17:07 am
Also one thing, we should disallow Cops who died returning to the same RP scene, criminals cant.Can't see why they are allowed.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: advantage17 on April 06, 2012, 10:20:50 am
Well, Un-sus'd players helping criminals is a good idea, so it will be more fun for everybody
Title: Re: [PETITON] Unsused Civilians able to assist criminal friends from police
Post by: aksh on April 06, 2012, 10:23:53 am
Also one thing, we should disallow Cops who died returning to the same RP scene, criminals cant.Can't see why they are allowed.

Yeah.

Well, Un-sus'd players helping criminals is a good idea, so it will be more fun for everybody

Yeah it will be more fun.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 10:25:09 am
Also one thing, we should disallow Cops who died returning to the same RP scene, criminals cant.Can't see why they are allowed.
Agreed, Also they don't have to buy there weapons, they get free deagle! We have to use our own money for weapons and armour!

Well, Un-sus'd players helping criminals is a good idea, so it will be more fun for everybody
Agreed, maybe not un-sused players, but friends of the criminal who is sused!
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Pingster on April 06, 2012, 10:34:34 am
Civilians aren't allowed to help police, no reason why they should be allowed to help criminals. If you're completely unrelated to the original scene of suspection or are not in the HQ AND allied/part of the suspected person's group, you are, in roleplay value's eyes, a civilian. Just because you're a good friend of the suspect does not mean there's RP value in you joining the shootout. Besides, that's all it's about, joining a shootout.

You did bring up a nice point though, roleplay.

If it's a roleplay between criminals and cops, you can go ahead and join the roleplay, as long as the joining is also roleplayed (Called the person or someone went to get them), rather than "Yo bro, got your PM, I'm here now".

If you want the roleplay value, roleplay it all, if all you want is a shootout, /goto paruni.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Chris_Knight on April 06, 2012, 10:37:15 am
Civilians can aid friend to escape but they are not allowed to shoot due fact that officers can't be aware who is just simple civilian or who is civilian wanting help his friend. It would bring chaos.Instead with officers you are aware due fact all names and blips are blue,I mean if fireman could aid cops,now you would shake from each fireman while suspected?There is no roleplay reason within it as most backups are called via pm and shootouts have no roleplay within it self,so "increase roleplay" bla bla bla is pure bullshit. Cops would be more trigger to suspect every white blip in near by area to make sure when ever you are aiding criminal or not wich would increase lots of moan as it is already. You look only from good perspectives,now look from badside before even bother make some competition with dis increase rp joke.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Karmps. on April 06, 2012, 10:40:19 am
Agreed, Also they don't have to buy there weapons, they get free deagle! We have to use our own money for weapons and armour!

That's just how it is.Do you see IRL goverment giving criminals weapons?
Title: Re: [PETITON] Unsused Civilians able to assist criminal friends from police
Post by: saberman on April 06, 2012, 10:41:55 am
Also one thing, we should disallow Cops who died returning to the same RP scene, criminals cant.Can't see why they are allowed.
So the criminals can keep on killing men and since all cops died they continue their rampage?

If you're talking about advantages to criminals and advantages to cops you're talking about cop vs. criminals.

And this is a rule, rule's cannot be removed because of community wants it. And yes, this topic it's clearly about cops vs. criminals.

That's just how it is.Do you see IRL goverment giving criminals weapons?
Do you ever see criminals winning in a shootout IRL?

It's not about criminals and cops, it's about RP. Which sadly is forgotten.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 10:44:10 am
Civilians aren't allowed to help police, no reason why they should be allowed to help criminals. If you're completely unrelated to the original scene of suspection or are not in the HQ AND allied/part of the suspected person's group, you are, in roleplay value's eyes, a civilian. Just because you're a good friend of the suspect does not mean there's RP value in you joining the shootout. Besides, that's all it's about, joining a shootout.

You did bring up a nice point though, roleplay.

If it's a roleplay between criminals and cops, you can go ahead and join the roleplay, as long as the joining is also roleplayed (Called the person or someone went to get them), rather than "Yo bro, got your PM, I'm here now".

If you want the roleplay value, roleplay it all, if all you want is a shootout, /goto paruni.

Im not saying that all I want is a shootout, I want a less biased server which is less biased towards police. I also made a mistake its not meant to be civilians. I'll be modifying that now. Also your point about the "civilians can't help the police" they can EASILY just go into a PD, /duty and BAM! there a police ready to make money from killing/jailing a group of criminals!

So the criminals can keep on killing men and since all cops died they continue their rampage?

If you're talking about advantages to criminals and advantages to cops you're talking about cop vs. criminals.

And this is a rule, rule's cannot be removed because of community wants it. And yes, this topic it's clearly about cops vs. criminals.
Do you ever see criminals winning in a shootout IRL?

It's not about criminals and cops, it's about RP. Which sadly is forgotten.
Agreed at your last point, about the RP.

Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: saberman on April 06, 2012, 10:55:01 am
Agreed at your last point, about the RP.
Then I guess we have nothing more to discuss here.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Pingster on April 06, 2012, 10:55:57 am
If it's about RP, then there's no rule not allowing you to help your friends... in a RP.

Situation: You're chillin in your backyard with your homies, bunch of enemy gang members ride down the street and start an argument with you, it gets loud, cops are called. Cops arrive, suspect people for whatever reason seems appropriate, the RP continues though. One of your gang members calls a friend to pick up some men and come help you, they arrive, join the RP, no guns are fired still. That's within roleplay boundaries and is allowed.

Now, here's another situation:
You're on an NRG against 2 cops, running away after they tried to pull you over, they ram you off the bike, one of them hops on it and drives it off, a shootout happens. You /cb Come help, we're at Unity Station, bunch of unsuspected friends show up and all start shooting at the cops. That doesn't add to roleplay in any way, shape or form, all it adds is to your shootout skills. And when I say shootout, I mean DM. Cause let's face it, who starts a fricking shootout for being pulled over for speeding?
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Reece on April 06, 2012, 11:00:21 am
This is a rule, not a law, thus City Hall has no influence on this what so ever. This rule has been the same for years, and it isn't about to change.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Robert. on April 06, 2012, 11:02:17 am
It'll be much more fun when the server is equal with cops and criminals. Therefore, I'am in the favour of passing it!
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 11:03:24 am
Then I guess we have nothing more to discuss here.
We do, because all the police do is abuse you with there spray untill you /gu, wheres the RP in that? I just want equality between the police and criminals.

If it's about RP, then there's no rule not allowing you to help your friends... in a RP.

Situation: You're chillin in your backyard with your homies, bunch of enemy gang members ride down the street and start an argument with you, it gets loud, cops are called. Cops arrive, suspect people for whatever reason seems appropriate, the RP continues though. One of your gang members calls a friend to pick up some men and come help you, they arrive, join the RP, no guns are fired still. That's within roleplay boundaries and is allowed.

Now, here's another situation:
You're on an NRG against 2 cops, running away after they tried to pull you over, they ram you off the bike, one of them hops on it and drives it off, a shootout happens. You /cb Come help, we're at Unity Station, bunch of unsuspected friends show up and all start shooting at the cops. That doesn't add to roleplay in any way, shape or form, all it adds is to your shootout skills. And when I say shootout, I mean DM. Cause let's face it, who starts a fricking shootout for being pulled over for speeding?
That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.

This is a rule, not a law, thus City Hall has no influence on this what so ever. This rule has been the same for years, and it isn't about to change.

Why is this rule so biased for police though? If this isn't passed then I will start another petiton so that police CAN NOT re-join an RP situation like criminals can't.
[Im not gonna get a ban for my opinions am I?]

It'll be much more fun when the server is equal with cops and criminals. Therefore, I'am in the favour of passing it!
Exactly! EQUAILTY is the key-word here! Thanks Kuldip!
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: saberman on April 06, 2012, 11:11:20 am
We do, because all the police do is abuse you with there spray untill you /gu
/report or F8, ARPD Forums
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wheres the RP in that?
Well, in this situation, police shouts at you to surrender, and it doesn't sound like DM or non-RP to me.
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I just want equality between the police and criminals.
> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server
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That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.
And you run around in a car just waiting for the cops to chase you?
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Why is this rule so biased for police though? If this isn't passed then I will start another petiton so that police CAN NOT re-join an RP situation like criminals can't.
> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server.
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Exactly! EQUAILTY is the key-word here! Thanks Kuldip!
> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 11:16:31 am
Reporting, or f8 or ARPD forums > Only wastes your time, punishments are not fair. They barely get punished!
Im not saying that Argo is a cops vs robbers server. Im saying that some rules are pretty biased towards police and that criminals and police should be equal.

I want better criminal RP because there isn't enough of it. Bank robberys, kidnappings are all cliched, there always the same! It's better with more people and bigger action, by action NOT only guns and pewpew.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Reece on April 06, 2012, 11:18:10 am
I. Check if the idea has been already posted before
 If it has been denied, it will probably get denied again.
Example: cops not being able to 'return after death'...
 4. Ideas based on "advantages/disadvantages" between cops and suspects (falsely called criminals in most idea topics).
Example: Cops have police bikes so we criminals also want bikes; Cops have free guns and we pay for them, make the cops pay for weapons
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: saberman on April 06, 2012, 11:18:36 am
Reporting, or f8 or ARPD forums > Only wastes your time, punishments are not fair. They barely get punished!
Complain to the President or ARPD Commissionaire.
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Im not saying that Argo is a cops vs robbers server.
Correct, you're implying.

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I want better criminal RP because there isn't enough of it. Bank robberys, kidnappings are all cliched, there always the same! It's better with more people and bigger action, by action NOT only guns and pewpew.
Lead by example.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends
Post by: Pingster on April 06, 2012, 11:20:11 am
That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.
Police would not be pew pewing if the suspects were RPing. Police's first goal is to arrest, second to kill. What you want to legalize is DM - basically, anyone that's sued drives to GS9 and all the cops following are dead in 10s with your idea. How do you negotiate with 10 combat shotguns blasting you? "Hi, I'm here t.. okay, /r officer down, C30, GS9".

Any white blip is assumed to be a civilian regardless of what he regularly RPs as. If he's at the scene of the crime when it happens, accompanying the criminal, then he is suspected to be a criminal, hence /su id aid. If a white blip drives past you, you should not be thinking, "Well, shit, he's gonna kill me now" just 'cause he's a part of mafia.

With your idea, any white dot can now drive up to police roadblock and slash their throats while they're unaware of any danger, 'cause "I was helping them".

Removing this rule, while with a good intention, would be used only for DMing.

But yes, this is not a cop vs criminal server. The idea is not to have 50% orange names and 50% blue names. The idea is to have roleplay, orange names =\= roleplay in 99% of cases. Prove me wrong. And policemen should never be afraid of being killed whenever they see a white dot on map when apprehending a suspect.

Again, if you want better criminal RP, what do you need this rule removed for? All this rule denies is white dots killing policemen for no reason other than "He's chasing my friend".
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Michele_Noord on April 06, 2012, 11:26:16 am
This is a rule, not a law, thus City Hall has no influence on this what so ever. This rule has been the same for years, and it isn't about to change.
Exactly like this ^.

Also when you are suspected and you get a shootout you have a reason to shoot, if a un-sused friend helps you in the shootout is it DM(for him) as he doesn't got any reason to shoot. His reason would be: Helping a friend.. So that means when somebody DMs could say everybody ''I'm helping a friend''. Which is still not allowed as ''helping a friend'' is not a valid reason to DM. Friends can help you to escape but they can't help you in a shootout which lead again to ''DM''.

It can also lead that cops are DMing. If there is a shootout and your friends come helping you, officers can get confused who is now in the shootout and who isn't.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 11:31:47 am
Exactly like this ^.

Also when you are suspected and you get a shootout you have a reason to shoot, if a un-sused friend helps you in the shootout is it DM(for him) as he doesn't got any reason to shoot. His reason would be: Helping a friend.. So that means when somebody DMs could say everybody ''I'm helping a friend''. Which is still not allowed as ''helping a friend'' is not a valid reason to DM. Friends can help you to escape but they can't help you in a shootout which lead again to ''DM''.

It can also lead that cops are DMing. If there is a shootout and your friends come helping you, officers can get confused who is now in the shootout and who isn't.
Thats exactly why I want this too pass. It causes lots of trouble for administration, also the police have way more units to help them whereas the criminals are limited. If this was passed, what would happen is that the criminals would probably kill the single cop then run and evade. This rule thats currently here causes a hell of a lot of moaning! :/
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: saberman on April 06, 2012, 11:37:08 am
Thats exactly why I want this too pass.
Apparently you want it for equality.
Second, even if this so called 'petition' is passed, no affect to the confusion will be made since players who will aid will get punished anyway.
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It causes lots of trouble for administration
I do not mind taking care of these cases.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 11:41:37 am
Apparently you want it for equality.
Second, even if this so called 'petition' is passed, no affect to the confusion will be made since players who will aid will get punished anyway.
Either somehow remove that rule and pass this, or remove that rule of the police not being able to return to the RP. It really is un-fair, OR criminals should be allowed to return.

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I do not mind taking care of these cases.
But it may be frustating to some administration. Im trying to show some sympathy towards administration.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Reece on April 06, 2012, 11:51:06 am
I will add my quote once more as it seems you ignored it.

I. Check if the idea has been already posted before
 If it has been denied, it will probably get denied again.
Example: cops not being able to 'return after death'...
 4. Ideas based on "advantages/disadvantages" between cops and suspects (falsely called criminals in most idea topics).
Example: Cops have police bikes so we criminals also want bikes; Cops have free guns and we pay for them, make the cops pay for weapons

These are RULES about ideas. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Mandam on April 06, 2012, 11:57:37 am
The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 11:58:44 am
reece, the cops being able to return after death IS NOT my main point. My main point is that friends of /su'd criminals  WHO ARE NOT /SU'D can aid the criminal without getting punished by adminsitration. Purely because of the numbers of the units the police force have. The rule stopping the non /su'd criminals makes it really un-fair because the actuall criminal him/herself has no backup but the police force have like..loads...

The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?

I agree, but its not even about winning, its about how the hell are criminals meant to lose there heat!
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: saberman on April 06, 2012, 12:09:04 pm
The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?

With shooting around and driving around, yes you're not supposed to.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Thomas_A on April 06, 2012, 12:11:56 pm
This will just cause a mess, Im sure If the vote is positive, community managers will shut it down. This so called 'vote' changes server more into DM server. I barely see any groups role playing properly from very beginning to the end. Instead of trying to get yourselves some shooting freedom, try to increase role playing between criminals groups or clans.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Salvatore_Zambino on April 06, 2012, 12:13:52 pm
This will just cause a mess, Im sure If the vote is positive, community managers will shut it down. This so called 'vote' changes server more into DM server. I barely see any groups role playing properly from very beginning to the end. Instead of trying to get yourselves some shooting freedom, try to increase role playing between criminals groups or clans.
You THINK it's going to be a mess because your steryotypical attitude blinds you of what criminals are capable of. You should give criminals a chance.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Pingster on April 06, 2012, 12:17:39 pm
You want to lose the heat? Be a good driver. You don't need 10 people behind you shooting up officers to lose heat. And that's not even RP that you want so much.

Want RP? As I said in /p earlier, roleplay with officers. Inform them you wish to RP first, if they don't want to, ask them to get some officers who want to RP there. If they want to RP, ask them to change your /crime to something like "Roleplay" so they know not to yellow dot hunt you. And start RPing. If you're witty and good at it, you can manage to RP out a successful RP which would be a feature that would deserve a /cancelsuspect ID RP got away. No one injured, just great roleplay. You don't need this rule to go away for that. And it never will.

We KNOW it's going to be mess because any and all white dots will kill any and all cops if there's an orange name nearby, and say you're friends.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Thomas_A on April 06, 2012, 12:24:53 pm
You want to lose the heat? Be a good driver. You don't need 10 people behind you shooting up officers to lose heat. And that's not even RP that you want so much.

Exactly, you dont need loads of people to back you up just because there is one officer who wants to arrest you. If you are criminal then your first aim should be to escape.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Seskom on April 06, 2012, 12:26:11 pm
The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?


Have you ever though you don't even need to use a gun to "win"? Criminal main point is to escape, you're talking about roleplay... While suspected take your friends ---> head out to countryside, roleplay there the options are limitless beginning from transport (bus, plane, taxi etc) ending with any roleplay you want to make at your hide out till your "heat" goes down aka you get unsuspected. This is not a cops and robbers server and criminal - cop shootouts where civilians join look more like mass DM then any roleplay... I mean, what do you roleplay in a shootout? Only thing I have seen is
>Criminals - Give me gun please, flood in some random CB chat, 0 /me commands used
>Cops - /duty - get killed - /duty - get killed - get equiped - kill all the suspects
Now what roleplay are we talking about here?
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Pingster on April 06, 2012, 12:28:13 pm
I'd like to add: If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Bad driver or bad RPer? /gu is always there for you. Otherwise, don't do the crime. PMing all your friends is not the solution to equality, having all criminals excellent RPers is, however, a great advantage for criminals against the cops. You can "win" every single time by being a great RPer. Yeah, I know, no force RP, but try to inform the police that you want to roleplay.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Chris_Knight on April 06, 2012, 12:28:33 pm
The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?

This is not about winning but escaping you seriously misslead argonath with cops and robbers.

Post Merge: April 06, 2012, 12:32:54 pm
You THINK it's going to be a mess because your steryotypical attitude blinds you of what criminals are capable of. You should give criminals a chance.
No we don't give criminals a chance ,neither give them possibility lose heat. Thats about it,holding stright to the ground with the pressure . If you want equality go to cops and robbers or wake up once and get over it. Cops can return to situations because if you dm every blue dot in server you still have to run and try to survive either way you would be done and pretty much could roam around,do what ever you feel like it and no one could do a thing to you. You keep talk how people lock them selfs up and how blind they are. But truth is,it's you who is blind at current situation as you still can't relise what is right and what is wrong.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Gandalf on April 06, 2012, 12:41:43 pm
Here we go again....

Why are civilians friends not allowed to help in a shootout? It would be more RP
Probably that is what they tell you on RL-Team-DM servers.
But in real life if there is a shootout between police and criminals, do you really think criminals will join to kill more cops ? That would be in the news worldwide if it would happen. If you get in a shootout with the law, every criminal knows he will either go to jail or die, and they want neither.
Just because you respawn does not mean you should not value your virtual life.

Why are cops allowed to return ?
As we are not character based but role based, every cop who goes on duty after death is a new unit.
Then why are criminals not allowed to return ? See the first point. If you spawn after death you are a new person. Does a new person in town get weapons and look for a way to die ? Don't think so.

How can criminals win ?
The goal of roleplay is to live, not to die. The goal is also not to kill as many as possible before being killed.
So how can a suspect win ? By losing his suspect level through staying away from cops long enough.
How do yo reach a draw ? By going to jail.
How do you lose ? By being killed.

More equality
People have been complaining about this for some time. But where do you want this equality ? In shootouts ? We are not a server where the goal is to have as many shootouts as possible. Besides that, you do not raise your score or respect by killing more cops.
In money opportunities ? Cops have actually only one way to make money: going after suspects.
As criminal you can do any legal and illegal business, so you already have more opportunities to make money.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Karmps. on April 06, 2012, 12:59:43 pm
We have Paruni and Stunt servers for a reason.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Thomas_A on April 06, 2012, 01:47:31 pm
And I belive what Gandalf said, is enough to end this mess ?
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Chris_Knight on April 06, 2012, 01:52:33 pm
Yeah Gandalf answer was briliant .
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: Paco on April 06, 2012, 04:11:42 pm
Why not making Criminals and Cops equal?
Because we didn't choose them to become criminals, they were born civilians and law-abiding, those who doesn't follow the law, get's arrested. As far as I know, you're not supposed to be born like a criminal that go rob stores and kill people. Cops are made to enforce the law breakers and protect the other civilians. If there were no criminals, there wouldn't be cops. Therefore cops must have some advantages in order to maintain peace in Argonath. I believe every state wants their citizens to be law-abiding and not law-breakers. But at the same time, there must be somewhat equality so the cops doesn't become totally overpowered, for example. Cops may not get minigun when going on duty. This is a good thing? You should kiss the ARPD Chiefs for not giving cops miniguns to eliminate criminals, and thank them for making it somewhat equal, but at the same time cops has advantages.

The less criminals, the less cops we have in Argonath.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Unsused Civilians able to assist criminal friends from police
Post by: Matt Murdock on April 06, 2012, 04:51:08 pm
So the criminals can keep on killing men and since all cops died they continue their rampage?

If you're talking about advantages to criminals and advantages to cops you're talking about cop vs. criminals.

And this is a rule, rule's cannot be removed because of community wants it. And yes, this topic it's clearly about cops vs. criminals.
Do you ever see criminals winning in a shootout IRL?

It's not about criminals and cops, it's about RP. Which sadly is forgotten.
I'll borrow these words.
Title: Re: [PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on April 06, 2012, 08:48:05 pm
Do you think even if a thousand signatures the court judges or heads of state would allow it to pass?

Rules =/= Laws.



Gandalf has posted his post and there is really no need for this in city-hall, locked, moved to SAMP general, if a moderator wants to unlock it there, that is fine.

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