Also one thing, we should disallow Cops who died returning to the same RP scene, criminals cant.Can't see why they are allowed.
Well, Un-sus'd players helping criminals is a good idea, so it will be more fun for everybody
Also one thing, we should disallow Cops who died returning to the same RP scene, criminals cant.Can't see why they are allowed.Agreed, Also they don't have to buy there weapons, they get free deagle! We have to use our own money for weapons and armour!
Well, Un-sus'd players helping criminals is a good idea, so it will be more fun for everybodyAgreed, maybe not un-sused players, but friends of the criminal who is sused!
Agreed, Also they don't have to buy there weapons, they get free deagle! We have to use our own money for weapons and armour!That's just how it is.Do you see IRL goverment giving criminals weapons?
Also one thing, we should disallow Cops who died returning to the same RP scene, criminals cant.Can't see why they are allowed.So the criminals can keep on killing men and since all cops died they continue their rampage?
That's just how it is.Do you see IRL goverment giving criminals weapons?Do you ever see criminals winning in a shootout IRL?
Civilians aren't allowed to help police, no reason why they should be allowed to help criminals. If you're completely unrelated to the original scene of suspection or are not in the HQ AND allied/part of the suspected person's group, you are, in roleplay value's eyes, a civilian. Just because you're a good friend of the suspect does not mean there's RP value in you joining the shootout. Besides, that's all it's about, joining a shootout.Im not saying that all I want is a shootout, I want a less biased server which is less biased towards police. I also made a mistake its not meant to be civilians. I'll be modifying that now. Also your point about the "civilians can't help the police" they can EASILY just go into a PD, /duty and BAM! there a police ready to make money from killing/jailing a group of criminals!
You did bring up a nice point though, roleplay.
If it's a roleplay between criminals and cops, you can go ahead and join the roleplay, as long as the joining is also roleplayed (Called the person or someone went to get them), rather than "Yo bro, got your PM, I'm here now".
If you want the roleplay value, roleplay it all, if all you want is a shootout, /goto paruni.
So the criminals can keep on killing men and since all cops died they continue their rampage?Agreed at your last point, about the RP.
If you're talking about advantages to criminals and advantages to cops you're talking about cop vs. criminals.
And this is a rule, rule's cannot be removed because of community wants it. And yes, this topic it's clearly about cops vs. criminals.
Do you ever see criminals winning in a shootout IRL?
It's not about criminals and cops, it's about RP. Which sadly is forgotten.
Agreed at your last point, about the RP.Then I guess we have nothing more to discuss here.
Then I guess we have nothing more to discuss here.We do, because all the police do is abuse you with there spray untill you /gu, wheres the RP in that? I just want equality between the police and criminals.
If it's about RP, then there's no rule not allowing you to help your friends... in a RP.That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.
Situation: You're chillin in your backyard with your homies, bunch of enemy gang members ride down the street and start an argument with you, it gets loud, cops are called. Cops arrive, suspect people for whatever reason seems appropriate, the RP continues though. One of your gang members calls a friend to pick up some men and come help you, they arrive, join the RP, no guns are fired still. That's within roleplay boundaries and is allowed.
Now, here's another situation:
You're on an NRG against 2 cops, running away after they tried to pull you over, they ram you off the bike, one of them hops on it and drives it off, a shootout happens. You /cb Come help, we're at Unity Station, bunch of unsuspected friends show up and all start shooting at the cops. That doesn't add to roleplay in any way, shape or form, all it adds is to your shootout skills. And when I say shootout, I mean DM. Cause let's face it, who starts a fricking shootout for being pulled over for speeding?
This is a rule, not a law, thus City Hall has no influence on this what so ever. This rule has been the same for years, and it isn't about to change.Why is this rule so biased for police though? If this isn't passed then I will start another petiton so that police CAN NOT re-join an RP situation like criminals can't.
It'll be much more fun when the server is equal with cops and criminals. Therefore, I'am in the favour of passing it!Exactly! EQUAILTY is the key-word here! Thanks Kuldip!
We do, because all the police do is abuse you with there spray untill you /gu/report or F8, ARPD Forums
wheres the RP in that?Well, in this situation, police shouts at you to surrender, and it doesn't sound like DM or non-RP to me.
I just want equality between the police and criminals.> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server
That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.And you run around in a car just waiting for the cops to chase you?
Why is this rule so biased for police though? If this isn't passed then I will start another petiton so that police CAN NOT re-join an RP situation like criminals can't.> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server.
Exactly! EQUAILTY is the key-word here! Thanks Kuldip!> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server.
I. Check if the idea has been already posted before
If it has been denied, it will probably get denied again.
Example: cops not being able to 'return after death'...
4. Ideas based on "advantages/disadvantages" between cops and suspects (falsely called criminals in most idea topics).
Example: Cops have police bikes so we criminals also want bikes; Cops have free guns and we pay for them, make the cops pay for weapons
Reporting, or f8 or ARPD forums > Only wastes your time, punishments are not fair. They barely get punished!Complain to the President or ARPD Commissionaire.
Im not saying that Argo is a cops vs robbers server.Correct, you're implying.
I want better criminal RP because there isn't enough of it. Bank robberys, kidnappings are all cliched, there always the same! It's better with more people and bigger action, by action NOT only guns and pewpew.Lead by example.
That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.Police would not be pew pewing if the suspects were RPing. Police's first goal is to arrest, second to kill. What you want to legalize is DM - basically, anyone that's sued drives to GS9 and all the cops following are dead in 10s with your idea. How do you negotiate with 10 combat shotguns blasting you? "Hi, I'm here t.. okay, /r officer down, C30, GS9".
This is a rule, not a law, thus City Hall has no influence on this what so ever. This rule has been the same for years, and it isn't about to change.Exactly like this ^.
Exactly like this ^.Thats exactly why I want this too pass. It causes lots of trouble for administration, also the police have way more units to help them whereas the criminals are limited. If this was passed, what would happen is that the criminals would probably kill the single cop then run and evade. This rule thats currently here causes a hell of a lot of moaning! :/
Also when you are suspected and you get a shootout you have a reason to shoot, if a un-sused friend helps you in the shootout is it DM(for him) as he doesn't got any reason to shoot. His reason would be: Helping a friend.. So that means when somebody DMs could say everybody ''I'm helping a friend''. Which is still not allowed as ''helping a friend'' is not a valid reason to DM. Friends can help you to escape but they can't help you in a shootout which lead again to ''DM''.
It can also lead that cops are DMing. If there is a shootout and your friends come helping you, officers can get confused who is now in the shootout and who isn't.
Thats exactly why I want this too pass.Apparently you want it for equality.
It causes lots of trouble for administrationI do not mind taking care of these cases.
Apparently you want it for equality.Either somehow remove that rule and pass this, or remove that rule of the police not being able to return to the RP. It really is un-fair, OR criminals should be allowed to return.
Second, even if this so called 'petition' is passed, no affect to the confusion will be made since players who will aid will get punished anyway.
I do not mind taking care of these cases.But it may be frustating to some administration. Im trying to show some sympathy towards administration.
I. Check if the idea has been already posted before
If it has been denied, it will probably get denied again.
Example: cops not being able to 'return after death'...
4. Ideas based on "advantages/disadvantages" between cops and suspects (falsely called criminals in most idea topics).
Example: Cops have police bikes so we criminals also want bikes; Cops have free guns and we pay for them, make the cops pay for weapons
The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?I agree, but its not even about winning, its about how the hell are criminals meant to lose there heat!
The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?With shooting around and driving around, yes you're not supposed to.
This will just cause a mess, Im sure If the vote is positive, community managers will shut it down. This so called 'vote' changes server more into DM server. I barely see any groups role playing properly from very beginning to the end. Instead of trying to get yourselves some shooting freedom, try to increase role playing between criminals groups or clans.You THINK it's going to be a mess because your steryotypical attitude blinds you of what criminals are capable of. You should give criminals a chance.
You want to lose the heat? Be a good driver. You don't need 10 people behind you shooting up officers to lose heat. And that's not even RP that you want so much.
The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?
The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?This is not about winning but escaping you seriously misslead argonath with cops and robbers.
You THINK it's going to be a mess because your steryotypical attitude blinds you of what criminals are capable of. You should give criminals a chance.No we don't give criminals a chance ,neither give them possibility lose heat. Thats about it,holding stright to the ground with the pressure . If you want equality go to cops and robbers or wake up once and get over it. Cops can return to situations because if you dm every blue dot in server you still have to run and try to survive either way you would be done and pretty much could roam around,do what ever you feel like it and no one could do a thing to you. You keep talk how people lock them selfs up and how blind they are. But truth is,it's you who is blind at current situation as you still can't relise what is right and what is wrong.
So the criminals can keep on killing men and since all cops died they continue their rampage?I'll borrow these words.
If you're talking about advantages to criminals and advantages to cops you're talking about cop vs. criminals.
And this is a rule, rule's cannot be removed because of community wants it. And yes, this topic it's clearly about cops vs. criminals.
Do you ever see criminals winning in a shootout IRL?
It's not about criminals and cops, it's about RP. Which sadly is forgotten.