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Title: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Reece on April 11, 2012, 05:25:39 pm
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Indonesia Earthquake Triggers Tsunami Warning, Aftershocks Strike: Video Shows Panic as Tremors Hit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvrf8U9Yks0#noexternalembed-ws)
Millions of people living along the coastline of the Indian Ocean were left breathing a sigh of relief today after warnings of a devastating tsunami were lifted following two massive earthquakes.
Panic spread across the region after an 8.7 magnitude tremor struck 270 miles off the Indonesian province of Aceh - which bore the brunt of the Boxing Day tidal wave of 2004.
Tsunami warnings were instantly issued in Indonesia, India, Sri Lanka, Australia, Burma, Thailand, the Maldives,  Malaysia, Pakistan, Somalia, Oman, Iran, Bangladesh, Kenya, South Africa and Singapore.
In the Indonesian city of Banda Aceh, terrified residents screamed God is great' as they jumped into cars and the backs of motorcycles, clogging streets as they fled to high ground.

Buildings shook for four minutes and there were reports of people jumping from windows in a desperate attempt to escape.
Patients also poured out of hospitals, some with drips still attached to their arms. In some places, electricity was briefly cut.
There were also scenes of panic in Bangalore, India and Columbo in Sri Lanka as terrified people fled their homes and offices.
Then, two hours later, a massive aftershock with a similarly huge magnitude of 8.2 struck only 110 miles further out to sea, unleashing even more panic.
Tsunami waves, measuring 3ft in height, hit Sumatra, the island Aceh is on. But experts discovered that both quakes were the wrong type to issue a disaster and the warnings were lifted.

Roger Musson, seismologist at the British geological survey who has studied Sumatra's fault lines, said the earthquake was a strikeslip quake.
The tsunami triggering 9.1magnitude earthquake of seven years go - which killed 230,000 people, three quarters of whom lived in Aceh - was a thrust quake, which causes the sea bed to flip up.
There are still warnings in place across the coast of Africa.
The earthquakes occurred as Prime Minister David Cameron visited Indonesia's capital, Jakarta, which is 1,600 miles south-east of Aceh and on a different island, Java. No tremors were felt there.
He told President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono: Our thoughts should be with those who are affected.
Britain of course stands ready to help if help is required.
We will stand with you and your government and your people at this time of worry.

There were also reports of the water level dropping in the Thai resort of Phuket a sign that the sea is drawing back in preparation to launch an enormous wave.
A tsunami watch means there is the potential for a tsunami, not that one is imminent. Since 2004 such warnings are issued after every earthquake in the Pacific.
Indonesia straddles a series of fault lines that makes the vast island nation prone to volcanic and seismic activity.
Last year's devastating tsunami in Japan was triggered by an earthquake with a similar hypocentre depth 20 miles below the surface.


The earthquake that struck off the coast of Aceh today has chilling parallels with the disaster that obliterated the region on Boxing Day, 2004.
More than 230,000 thousand people were killed by the resulting tsunami that swept inland and washed away homes.
A further 250,000 people were injured by the catastrophe, which was the sixth deadliest ever recorded.
But so unpredictable is the whim of nature that todays earthquake despite being almost as powerful has not had the same fatal effects.
The tsunami that struck in the Indian Ocean in 2004, was caused by a 9.1 magnitude earthquake. Today's earthquake measures 8.7 on the Richter scale.
(C)AP, DM.

So what do you think about it? Not quite as big as the 2004 quake, but who knows - it could still be worse.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Mikal on April 11, 2012, 05:30:32 pm
Is that civilians helping to guide traffic in the video?  :conf:
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 11, 2012, 09:02:34 pm
I still dont understand why people insist on living in disaster prone areas of the planet but... meh, the price you pay for paradise?
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Gandalf on April 11, 2012, 09:26:29 pm
I still dont understand why people insist on living in disaster prone areas of the planet but... meh, the price you pay for paradise?
You tell me... I heard Canada is pretty much a disaster area paradise ;)
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 11, 2012, 09:32:02 pm
You tell me... I heard Canada is pretty much a disaster area paradise ;)

Oh Gandalf, you know I mean paradise in the sense of tropical beaches and such  ;). Canada being the best place in the world is a given :D
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 11, 2012, 10:22:22 pm
I still dont understand why people insist on living in disaster prone areas of the planet but... meh, the price you pay for paradise?

Yes, because everyone from Indonesia, Japan, India, Bangladesh etc are just going to y'know, get up and move country, right? Oh, they can move further in land? Wait, they can't because of mountainous regions. People may live in disaster prone regions of this earth, but there isn't much they can do about it.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: ElMartu on April 11, 2012, 10:41:10 pm
I still dont understand why people insist on living in disaster prone areas of the planet but... meh, the price you pay for paradise?

It's not like they fucking chose to be born in there.

Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Devin on April 11, 2012, 10:52:44 pm
It's not like they f**king chose to be born in there.

This,
it's not like everyone can just packup and move to a country of their choice.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 11, 2012, 11:48:58 pm
This,
it's not like everyone can just packup and move to a country of their choice.

Populations need to develop. People had to arrive there to create cities in the first place...
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 11, 2012, 11:55:33 pm
Populations need to develop. People had to arrive there to create cities in the first place...
They have developed to the best of their ability. They have earthquake and tsunami warning instruments in place, and that is the best they can do. You try stop a tsunami in a way that is applicable to what could be considered a second world country. You have to remember, not all countries are as developed as western civilisations, South East Asia/part of Oceanica have suffered from disasters like this for years. It's the same with Bangladesh  - that country is essentially a massive flood plain yet people still live there are are flooded year after year, and these aren't the kind of floods you can stop with a few sandbags. Ever wonder why they build their houses on stilts?
It's the same in first world countries too, people still have huge housing developments on flood plains near rivers and near the oceans. Why? Because the land is cheap and a development can be built easily, there is also no room in other locations as many major towns and cities now have "green belts" on their edges restricting any building development.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Devin on April 12, 2012, 12:24:10 am
Populations need to develop. People had to arrive there to create cities in the first place...

Thank you for your contribution to this topic,
I now have an answer for every time I see a story about people in America/Canada being injured in natural disasters like tornadoes for example.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 12:26:17 am
Thank you for your contribution to this topic,
I now have an answer for every time I see a story about people in America being injured in natural disasters like tornadoes for example.

If only the forum had some sort of like feature.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 12, 2012, 12:47:43 am
Thank you for your contribution to this topic,
I now have an answer for every time I see a story about people in America/Canada being injured in natural disasters like tornadoes for example.

I also think its dumb people live in those areas that are frequently plagued with disasters also. Also, Canada is not in Tornado Alley so thats a bad example.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Mikal on April 12, 2012, 12:53:57 am
I also think its dumb people live in those areas that are frequently plagued with disasters also. Also, Canada is not in Tornado Alley so thats a bad example.
I agree with Moose, if people don't want to die in these disaster areas, pack up and get the fuck out...
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Devin on April 12, 2012, 12:54:24 am
The tornado example was in reference to America.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Mikal on April 12, 2012, 01:02:05 am
The tornado example was in reference to America.
Tornados only affect where the tornado lands and the path it moves, earthquakes affect masses of area.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: ElMartu on April 12, 2012, 01:35:38 am
Not the point man

And if you think the 'dangerous' parts of the world shouldn't be inhabited, think again. Japan's a natural disaster shithole, and they're over a hundred millon people living in there. Same for Indonesia.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Rick. on April 12, 2012, 02:01:22 am
Canada being the best place in the world is a given :D

My ass it is. Wouldn't go there if i got a free mansion.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 12, 2012, 02:56:26 am
My ass it is. Wouldn't go there if i got a free mansion.

i'm sorry, I cant hear you over my incredibly high quality of life. Try and speak up!
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 03:06:20 am
I agree with Moose, if people don't want to die in these disaster areas, pack up and get the f**k out...

Are you honestly ignorant to the sheer impossibility of what you are saying? Entire countries cannot just "get the fuck out". It's impossible. Where are they going to go? Wales? They cannot move further inland as due to what I said before; mountainous regions - you cannot build a substantial settlement on the side of a mountain.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: ElMartu on April 12, 2012, 03:23:56 am
i'm sorry, I cant hear you over my incredibly high quality of life. Try and speak up!

Your so called quality of life has distorted your views on the rest of the world, hard.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 12, 2012, 03:32:29 am
Your so called quality of life has distorted your views on the rest of the world, hard.

Perhaps. but can you really judge me for working hard and enjoying my life? just because other people may not live to the high standards that Canada is lucky to have, does not mean I cannot have such views on the world.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Rick. on April 12, 2012, 03:53:27 am
I'd rather go live down in Bosnia, Which is a pile of shit At the moment, Still repairing itself instead of living in Canada. You make it seem like it's heaven but i bet its a bunch of same old shit like the United States. And yes, I do live in the USA.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 12, 2012, 05:42:05 am
I'd rather go live down in Bosnia, Which is a pile of shit At the moment, Still repairing itself instead of living in Canada. You make it seem like it's heaven but i bet its a bunch of same old shit like the United States. And yes, I do live in the USA.

Oops, sorry, Still cant hear you over our free health care, regulated economy, clean air and competent political system!
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Squeak on April 12, 2012, 06:25:36 am
Oops, sorry, Still cant hear you over our free health care, regulated economy, clean air and competent political system!
>being proud over something he had no choice in
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 11:45:57 am
Perhaps. but can you really judge me for working hard and enjoying my life? just because other people may not live to the high standards that Canada is lucky to have, does not mean I cannot have such views on the world.

Then your views are clearly distorted by your own arrogance and not based of fact and anywhere within the realm of common sense. Your "views" are that of one who is ignorant to the world around them, one who thinks that any large issue can be fixed with great ease and swiftness and then dismissed with the wave of a hand.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Witchking on April 12, 2012, 11:54:15 am
Guys stick to the subject of this topic.  However in the End we all come from the same Place (earth)
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Mikal on April 12, 2012, 01:43:11 pm
i'm sorry, I cant hear you over my incredibly high quality of life. Try and speak up!
Yeah I know man, your lucky you had the British so set you up! :D

>being proud over something he had no choice in
The clean air part... Thats not something you find in British citys due to them sticking steel factorys up the ass of every citys residential area.  :razz:

>being proud over something he had no choice in
I'm British, I sometimes want to be American, may aswell be proud of who you are and where you come from instead of bagging your country and moaning about where you wanted to be born.

I'd rather go live down in Bosnia, Which is a pile of shit At the moment, Still repairing itself instead of living in Canada. You make it seem like it's heaven but i bet its a bunch of same old shit like the United States. And yes, I do live in the USA.
No Canada's got more in common with the UK and the USA, sir.

Back on topic, the earthquake wasn't that bad, they got out lucky this time.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 12, 2012, 02:05:06 pm
Then your views are clearly distorted by your own arrogance and not based of fact and anywhere within the realm of common sense. Your "views" are that of one who is ignorant to the world around them, one who thinks that any large issue can be fixed with great ease and swiftness and then dismissed with the wave of a hand.

People posses the power to make changes. I have done enough travelling to know what the world is like. Saying it is impossible for these people to move somewhere else is just as ignorant.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Mikal on April 12, 2012, 02:08:28 pm
People posses the power to make changes. I have done enough travelling to know what the world is like. Saying it is impossible for these people to move somewhere else is just as ignorant.
It's always possible if the migrant secures a job in the country before they move over, or already have the money and just do so anyways..
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Devin on April 12, 2012, 02:13:53 pm
People posses the power to make changes. I have done enough travelling to know what the world is like. Saying it is impossible for these people to move somewhere else is just as ignorant.

We don't really care that you have traveled.
The only way to see "what the world is like" is to live in each country for a few years, work and experience things in the countries, not just staying in hotels in different countries and say you have seen it all.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Fruity on April 12, 2012, 02:15:25 pm
People posses the power to make changes. I have done enough travelling to know what the world is like. Saying it is impossible for these people to move somewhere else is just as ignorant.

Show some damn respect. There are people dying in countries like these because of the natural disaster. They don't choose where they were born so don't come over here acting as if you own the world saying they should move. People in those countries are possibly twice the man you'll ever be.

After seeing you say things like this, I wish that you were in those countries suffering. You wouldn't like that then would you?
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 03:24:45 pm
People posses the power to make changes. I have done enough travelling to know what the world is like. Saying it is impossible for these people to move somewhere else is just as ignorant.

Clearly you cannot understand the point we are putting across. We are not talking about a few dozen or hundred people. We are talking about thousands and millions of people. Thousands and millions of people cannot simply just get up and move.

It's always possible if the migrant secures a job in the country before they move over, or already have the money and just do so anyways..

Of course, everyone from a second and third world country plagued with natural disaster has a very large sum of money in their bank just in case they want to move, oh, and they also have an education decent enough to get a job.

What's that? They don't? Oh, well snap.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 12, 2012, 04:03:10 pm
Show some damn respect. There are people dying in countries like these because of the natural disaster. They don't choose where they were born so don't come over here acting as if you own the world saying they should move. People in those countries are possibly twice the man you'll ever be.

After seeing you say things like this, I wish that you were in those countries suffering. You wouldn't like that then would you?

If I happened to live in this type of place I would do what every smart immigrant does, move to a western nation like Canada that supports free immigration so that people can have a better life. Sure they don't choose where they were born, but nothing is stopping them from making the choice to leave for a better life....

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After seeing you say things like this, I wish that you were in those countries suffering. You wouldn't like that then would you?

If I was suffering I sure as hell would not sit around and accept it. I would either pack up and move or fight for change. You act as if its some sort of impossibility that these people can't leave, yet I know many many people here in Canada who moved here because they wanted a better life, and they have received that.

The options are there, these people just need to choose them...
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 05:57:32 pm
The options are there, these people just need to choose them...

Clearly you cannot understand the point we are putting across. We are not talking about a few dozen or hundred people. We are talking about thousands and millions of people. Thousands and millions of people cannot simply just get up and move.

Of course, everyone from a second and third world country plagued with natural disaster has a very large sum of money in their bank just in case they want to move, oh, and they also have an education decent enough to get a job.

What's that? They don't? Oh, well snap.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Fruity on April 12, 2012, 08:10:29 pm
If I happened to live in this type of place I would do what every smart immigrant does, move to a western nation like Canada that supports free immigration so that people can have a better life. Sure they don't choose where they were born, but nothing is stopping them from making the choice to leave for a better life....

If I was suffering I sure as hell would not sit around and accept it. I would either pack up and move or fight for change. You act as if its some sort of impossibility that these people can't leave, yet I know many many people here in Canada who moved here because they wanted a better life, and they have received that.

The options are there, these people just need to choose them...

It's a 3rd world country. These people don't have thousands of pounds sitting around in their bank which they can spend moving to other countries. Any educated person knows that.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Squeak on April 12, 2012, 08:13:54 pm
Safetymoose is trolling.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 09:11:22 pm
Safetymoose is trolling.

Quite clearly.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 12, 2012, 10:09:18 pm
It's a 3rd world country. These people don't have thousands of pounds sitting around in their bank which they can spend moving to other countries. Any educated person knows that.

Any educated person would know that Canada has one of the largest Disaster / Political refugee programs in the world. Allowing these people to get here for pretty much 0 cost to them.

And no i'm not trolling, I whole heartedly believe every word im saying.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Fruity on April 12, 2012, 10:21:15 pm
Any educated person would know that Canada has one of the largest Disaster / Political refugee programs in the world. Allowing these people to get here for pretty much 0 cost to them.

And no i'm not trolling, I whole heartedly believe every word im saying.

Okay so you're saying that Canada will happily let over 200 million Indonesian people move to there right?
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: EliteTerm on April 12, 2012, 10:28:04 pm
This has clearly gone way off topic.

Final warning, stay on topic or this will be locked.


[h]

There were 3 more earthquakes that day as well, one in Washington State and another in Mexico
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 10:32:58 pm
This has clearly gone way off topic.

Final warning, stay on topic or this will be locked.

The points we are discussing are related to the original topic.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: EliteTerm on April 12, 2012, 10:49:59 pm
The points we are discussing are related to the original topic.

Barely, it got to the point where they were arguing over Canada.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 10:50:30 pm
In the OP, I don't see anything referring to Canada or anything about which country is best & health care. How is that related to the original topic?
The discussion we are currently having is to do with disaster prone areas and their wealth when it comes to "moving from" said areas, this is directly related to the original topic due to the discussion of the Indonesian people conceptually "moving" country. Most of the other points i.e. the health care were used as mere exampled to strengther other points and to get them across to other more easily.

Post Merge: April 12, 2012, 10:52:05 pm
Barely, it got to the point where they were arguing over Canada.
Yes, they may have began arguing over which country is better etc. but the rest kept the discussion within the boundaries as mentioned above. I do not see why an entire discussion should be closed down for everyone due to a few people shifting the topic erratically.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Rick. on April 12, 2012, 10:54:39 pm
Barely, it got to the point where they were arguing over Canada.

It's safetymoose and his love for his shit country. Nothing more to it basically.  :banana:
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 12, 2012, 10:57:03 pm
It's safetymoose and his love for his shit country. Nothing more to it basically.  :banana:
Now that is clearly off topic and provocative..
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: SafetyMoose on April 13, 2012, 01:12:34 am
It's safetymoose and his love for his shit country. Nothing more to it basically.  :banana:

Well excuse me for being patriotic. Its not my fault you lack a feeling of love for your home country.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Rami on April 13, 2012, 01:30:13 am
May Allah bless them. <3
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Witchking on April 13, 2012, 07:09:22 am
Since People didn't undetstand What i wrote.



Locked
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Gandalf on April 13, 2012, 06:50:27 pm
People live in dangerous places because it gives them a good income.
Living near the sea holds a risk for people, but without living near the sea they could not catch fish to mmake money.
Living near a volcano holds a risk, but at the same time it has the mos fertile soil there is.

The main thing is that communication has increased a lot, and it is easier to get news about anything happening. People have a desire to know about the disaters of others, as this sells better as good fortune.

In this case the actual damage was very low, and people are used to earthquakes, buildings are prepared for it. The tsunami alarm was picked up by sensationalist media, hoping to gain some days of news.
Having the alarm is a good thing, as it allows people to get to safety.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Sphex on April 13, 2012, 06:57:08 pm
The tsunami alarm was picked up by sensationalist media, hoping to gain some days of news.
Having the alarm is a good thing, as it allows people to get to safety.

As always. New groups always loop the same half a dozen stories over and over for atleast 6 hours, with a "reminder" every fifteen minutes. Just incase you didn't catch it the last 10 times.
Title: Re: Indonesia Earthquake
Post by: Mikal on April 14, 2012, 12:03:12 am
As always. New groups always loop the same half a dozen stories over and over for atleast 6 hours, with a "reminder" every fifteen minutes. Just incase you didn't catch it the last 10 times.
BBC News does that alot, it's so f**king annoying, I'de love to see a Family Guy piss take of it.  :razz:
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