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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Que on April 16, 2012, 02:25:25 pm
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http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/live/folj-rattegangen-mot-breivik-direkt/ (http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/live/folj-rattegangen-mot-breivik-direkt/)
Live-TV (Swedish site, just click play)
He looks incredibly sick, just laughing when he sees and hears himself. He cried once over something I did not manage to see.
EDIT: It's a break right now, just some interviews. The live-TV from the real trial would be back in less than five minutes.
Discuss.
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Watched a bit at around 10:30 while in school, where he claimed himself to be non guilty.
Well indeed he is sick, while the judge were reading up all the victims while I watched he was looking up smiling :hit:
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Either he is sick or pretending to - so he can avoid being jailed in a regular prison.
Either way, I hope he gets a life sentence and never sees the outside world for what he did.
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Avoiding a regular prison by pretending to be sick.. Such special prison's are mostly only worse and he then got to keep up with his "sickness" for years. One fail and he still have to go to a regular prison. Such people should never be released.
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He was actually proven sane so that's why he was being trialed like a normal person.
Pretending to be sick at this moment won't help him at all.
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He was proven to be sane and his lawyer stated that "Both myself and my client are pleased with the outcome of these tests"
This man 100 percent believes what he did was for the good of his country. We have seen a number of acts in Europe as of late that relate to "Ethnic Cleansing" which is both in relation to the current economic situation, as well as the large increase in immigration to these parts of Europe. His maximum sentence is 21 years and he has picked up a very devout following around the world. it will be interesting to see how this goes. He will be convicted that is a certain, however we might expect further conflict from people who support him.
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Actually it is not certain he will be convicted. Do not forget that while he may be on the verge of insanity, when you read his past you find out he is extremely intelligent and had access to societies that require a minimal amount of money in your name to be accepted.
He probably still has some friends in high places who are keeping silent, but will ensure that the slightest slipup of the court results in him escaping the maximal punishment.
It is very clear he has zero regrets, and is proud of him getting so much more attention than when he would have let himself been shot to death by the cops. All the more reason to stand behind Russian police tactics.
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He showed some propaganda film in the court room that he made. he was seen crying as he watched it.
I'm honestly just relieved he isn't crying "crocodile tears" and pleading insanity. He is going to prison for the rest of his life, but at least he goes a man, proud of what he did, no matter how insane it was. Brevik realizes this is the last time he will get media attention, for himself and his "cause." no one gives a fuck, the world moves on. brevik is just gonna be another dead ant in a sea of dead ants unless his 'followers" start doing copycat attacks but who knows if that will ever happen.
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As he now has the attention of the media, and unlimited time, do not expectthis to be the last you hear of him. I am pretty sure he is busy writing several things, that he will try to get published, and probably succeed. After 21 years he will hope to enter politics and become the next Fuhrer of Norway...
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As he now has the attention of the media, and unlimited time, do not expectthis to be the last you hear of him. I am pretty sure he is busy writing several things, that he will try to get published, and probably succeed. After 21 years he will hope to enter politics and become the next Fuhrer of Norway...
if racial tensions in Europe keep building at the rate they are now, in 21 years that could be a very probable outcome...
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Who is this guy? :D
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You serious, Mikal?
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Who is this guy? :D
Seriously, go do something with yourself than browsing around trolling on the forum.
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You serious, Mikal?
Yes really.
Seriously, go do something with yourself than browsing around trolling on the forum.
I think you'll find your the one trolling as I seriously do not know who he is...
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Mikal he is the man that killed 77 people in Norway. 69 of those were teenagers on a summer camp island.. He gunned them down dressed as a Police officer. If I am right the other 8 were killed by the use of hand grenades and car bombs. He is claiming that he is saving the country from Islam and other foreign threats through his propaganda. How the hell does killing civilians save your country?
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Mikal he is the man that killed 77 people in Norway. 69 of those were teenagers on a summer camp island.. He gunned them down dressed as a Police officer. If I am right the other 8 were killed by the use of hand grenades and car bombs. He is claiming that he is saving the country from Islam and other foreign threats through his propaganda. How the hell does killing civilians save your country?
Ethnic Cleansing and threatening the political party that supports free immigration.
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Correct me if Im wrong but isnt he a Neo Nazi?
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IT is quite interesting how this plays out. He knows he is in trouble, and over all of his (what are recognized as) crimes, he is proud. He sheds tears of pride for his propaganda and shows no remorse for those and the lives he's changed. In his eyes, his acts were a reason to be proud and an honorable decision, but to most of society it was an intolerable crime, But he doesn't care.
If he is really Sane and understand/comprehends the concept of what is happening, and he still is proud, I think it would be interesting to question the man to test his feelings. He is a strong-willed man and it is unique. He could have let the police take him down and kill him on the spot, but he was too proud.
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Correct me if Im wrong but isnt he a Neo Nazi?
Yes, he is.
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Then I believe its more delusion over insanity.
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He himself wants to serve his sentence in prison. He claims himself innocent and said it orally that he made it in self-defense. He simply denied the charges, but agrees on being on the island, also on the place where the house was blown up.
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I really do not get his logic. He says it was in self defenceand claims innocence yet he is willing to serve a sentence in his eyes he does not deserve.
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Mikal he is the man that killed 77 people in Norway. 69 of those were teenagers on a summer camp island.. He gunned them down dressed as a Police officer. If I am right the other 8 were killed by the use of hand grenades and car bombs. He is claiming that he is saving the country from Islam and other foreign threats through his propaganda. How the hell does killing civilians save your country?
Ah, now I remember I was watching it on TV, I just didn't know the guys name...
This guy is a disgrace to humanity and should get the death sentence, a nice slow painful one.
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If this man is released, he will kill again. Taking 77 kills so easy, it means that a single kill for saving his country is nothing to him, no matter how many times he repeats it.
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If this man is released, he will kill again. Taking 77 kills so easy, it means that a single kill for saving his country is nothing to him, no matter how many times he repeats it.
If he gets released, the public would take his death sentence into their own hands.
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If this man is released, he will kill again. Taking 77 kills so easy, it means that a single kill for saving his country is nothing to him, no matter how many times he repeats it.
His goal wasn't to kill random people, his target was the Labour party's youth camp, a party which promotes multiculturalism, the thing he is fighting against (more specifically Muslim immigration). By his actions he murdered many future politicians who would have supported the Labour party (along with the things he is fighting against) in the future.
His means of communicating this message were completely wrong and he deserves the strongest punishment. Being so intelligent and entrepreneurial he could have chosen other methods to communicate his thoughts and done so using his brain rather than weapons..
I don't know about you, but to me the prospect of Norwegians becoming a minority in their own country by 2040 does not sound very good as it will greatly diminish Norway's unique culture, amongst other things..
The Guardian is covering his trial live here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/17/anders-behring-breivik-live-updates (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/17/anders-behring-breivik-live-updates)
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Update on the situation.
Norway Killer Tells Court He'd Do It Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp5wJZeTBfI#ws)
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Well, as many of you probably understand, this thing has been talked about in Norway ever since it happened. I'm tired of the guy and my personal opinion would be to kill the filthy motherfucker.
I'm tired of hearing about him, but still I sit down and look at all the court LIVE sendings on norwegian television.
In my eyes this has only dealed a large bit of chaos and it has interrupted the peace here. All I'm hoping for is for them to send him to jail for 21 years, everyone will shut up about the jerk and then someone will kill him once he's out there again.
However, some of his reasons for the attack is good. Like, really good. He's right about all the imigrants and so on. To be honest, we're supporting the same political party here in Norway.
Just thought you'd want one opinion from a Norwegian.
-iD.
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As David said, this has been on the news almost EVERY day since 22th of July. Everyone is tired of it, the offers gets it in their face, everyday. And now since the court started, the news are FILLED up, many hours a day, only talking about it. The court is gonna go on for 10 weeks, and I bet the news will keep going for months after they are done. Just look here, the only thing you see on the top is about Breivik. www.VG.no (http://www.VG.no) http://www.dagbladet.no/ (http://www.dagbladet.no/) Its filled up with that son of a bitch. I dont get it why they are wasting their time on the asshole, its what he wants, attention. 9 more weeks with the court. They built more on the court house just for that piece of shit. In my opinion, they should give him a cell, where he had to sleep on a rock floor in his own piss, would be a NICE punishment for him, and not 21 years, untill he dies.
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Killed 77 people... got sent to a holiday resort.
What a cruel punishment. :skull:
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Killed 77 people... got sent to a holiday resort.
What a cruel punishment. :skull:
QFT.
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Killed 77 people... got sent to a holiday resort.
What a cruel punishment. :skull:
What's more if he gets 21 years it's less than four months in prison for each person he killed. That's just sick.
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Killed 77 people... got sent to a holiday resort.
What a cruel punishment. :skull:
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/190/190220/19022015/jpg/active/978x.jpg) This is ONE of his 3 cells, he has his own cell for working out, Norway has a nice system about jails. A man sent into jail for speeding has it worse than this, they actually have to do a job when in the cells, Breivik even has a computer.
What's more if he gets 21 years it's less than four months in prison for each person he killed. That's just sick.
When those 21 years is over, the court will go keep him in the cells, make a court case to see if he can go free, if not, 21 years again. And it will keep going like that, but if he evens gets out, he will stay in a mental hospital for the rest of his life.
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Thanks for the explanation there Jack.
He will probably write some book from the prison, like Hitler did..what an irony :razz:
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When those 21 years is over, the court will go keep him in the cells, make a court case to see if he can go free, if not, 21 years again. And it will keep going like that, but if he evens gets out, he will stay in a mental hospital for the rest of his life.
No, that's not how it works. If he's a danger to the society, in whichsoever way, he can be jailed for five more years. Then they do another try, if he still is a danger, he'll be locked five more years.. and the story continues.
You can never be sentenced to twenty one years after your punishment, the maximum is five years after you've been convicted.
Unfortunately, there are a bigger possibility that he's released after twenty one years, due to his calm and self-confident behaviour.
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No, that's not how it works. If he's a danger to the society, in whichsoever way, he can be jailed for five more years. Then they do another try, if he still is a danger, he'll be locked five more years.. and the story continues.
You can never be sentenced to twenty one years after your punishment, the maximum is five years after you've been convicted.
Unfortunately, there are a bigger possibility that he's released after twenty one years, due to his calm and self-confident behaviour.
Can they release you early for good behaviour like in Canada and the US?
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Or someone could just off him to end the entire mess. I wonder why they haven't already.
These kind of people... IMO they should not even be protected by human rights, since they have given up their humanity through these cruel acts. The government should just put him to death.
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Or someone could just off him to end the entire mess. I wonder why they haven't already.
These kind of people... IMO they should not even be protected by human rights, since they have given up their humanity through these cruel acts. The government should just put him to death.
Because there are a lot of people that agree with his cause.. The majority don't agree with his actions, but many Europeans and people in North America agree that his views on immigration and so called "Cultural Diversity" are causing a problem. Some may even call him a freedom fighter. he may have taken it to the extreme, but his motives are undeniably sound.
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Because there are a lot of people that agree with his cause.. The majority don't agree with his actions, but many Europeans and people in North America agree that his views on immigration and so called "Cultural Diversity" are causing a problem. Some may even call him a freedom fighter. he may have taken it to the extreme, but his motives are undeniably sound.
Considering how he said that he wouldn't hesitate to do it again, I bet some would be waiting for him to do so even if they act like they disagree with his actions (the killings) if they lack the spine to impose any truly harsh punishment on him.
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Can they release you early for good behaviour like in Canada and the US?
Yes they can, and this means that if judges do not take care he can be out after 14 years.
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Why not just hang or kill him?
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Why not just hang or kill him?
Because Europe and "hurr durr noany death penalties and especially execution"
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Because Europe and "hurr durr noany death penalties and especially execution"
:O Even if he killed 77 people? Thats lame.
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:O Even if he killed 77 people? Thats lame.
If you consider that you feel killing someone is inhumane, then would doing the same as punishment not be inhumane ?
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:O Even if he killed 77 people? Thats lame.
Remember the good old proverb?
"If the world would live with an eye for an eye rule, everyone around will get blind". Bloodshed just causes bloodshed if it's not stopped.
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(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/190/190220/19022015/jpg/active/978x.jpg) This is ONE of his 3 cells, he has his own cell for working out, Norway has a nice system about jails. A man sent into jail for speeding has it worse than this, they actually have to do a job when in the cells, Breivik even has a computer.When those 21 years is over, the court will go keep him in the cells, make a court case to see if he can go free, if not, 21 years again. And it will keep going like that, but if he evens gets out, he will stay in a mental hospital for the rest of his life.
Jack, thats actually wrong.
After 21 years (remember that in Norway a jail year is 9 months) when the jail time expires, he can be brought to court again, for re-asses. Then if the court concludes that he is still a danger to the society, he an be extended for 5 years at a time, but there is no upper limit for how many times this can go on. But as we all understand, if he gets 90 years old for example, how dangerous can he be...
And he wont stay in a mental hospital after jail, if he is not concluded insane. But, however if he is, he will not go to jail as he can not by Norwegian law, be punished for what he did, if he is concluded insane.
Also, a lot of you does not understand why we have a trial about this case in Norway, when it's so obvious, and how the Norwegian Court System works, well i found this very good site, that have it explained, so i suggest all of you that are interested in this case, to read the article: http://www.businessinsider.com/explained-the-norwegian-legal-system-where-mass-murderer-breivik-is-on-trial-2012-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/explained-the-norwegian-legal-system-where-mass-murderer-breivik-is-on-trial-2012-4)
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Can they release you early for good behaviour like in Canada and the US?
I don't know about prisoners who has 21-year sentences in Norway, but I believe so. In Sweden when you get, let's say ten years, you are automatically out after five if you behave good.
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I don't know about prisoners who has 21-year sentences in Norway, but I believe so. In Sweden when you get, let's say ten years, you are automatically out after five if you behave good.
In norway, you only need to serve 2/3 of your punishment if you are good behaving. However in this case, it will have nothing to say, as the prosecution will if he is not concluded insane, want to keep him for more then 21 years, so the case can be taken up again, and again and so on..
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If you consider that you feel killing someone is inhumane, then would doing the same as punishment not be inhumane ?
He didn't kill someone, as in not one person, nor 2 or 3, He killed 77 people all alone! He's like a freakin ninja! The earlier we finish him off the better . :skull:
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Against which muslims is he? Just any muslims living in Norway or extreme jihad / Sharia muslims?
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He played World of Warcraft apparently... This guy is a Gamer XD
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9211988/Anders-Breivik-unable-to-distinguish-reality-says-professor.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9211988/Anders-Breivik-unable-to-distinguish-reality-says-professor.html)
I dug up a pic of his main.
(http://contentprotection.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/breivik-wow.jpg?w=593)
Guy was probably a boss at instances.
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Yeah, they even put up pictures of his character in the trial, made him laugh :lol:
He spent a year sleeping and playing wow, doing nothing else at all.. Should've joined argonatg instead, would still be addicted and noone would have died :D
Does anyone know if the trial is in English? nvm - "Trial is being simultaneously interpreted into English. We have wireless headphones in court." Means the translation is not 100% accurate and might even be biased.
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Yeah, they even put up pictures of his character in the trial, made him laugh :lol:
He spent a year sleeping and playing wow, doing nothing else at all.. Should've joined argonatg instead, would still be addicted and noone would have died :D
Does anyone know if the trial is in English? nvm - "Trial is being simultaneously interpreted into English. We have wireless headphones in court." Means the translation is not 100% accurate and might even be biased.
A real life DM'er on Argonath? :conf: Admins will be 24X7 like this then :
(http://preview.images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=62574&generatorTypeID=&panels=&text0=Breivik&text1=y%20u%20no%20rOLEPLAY%3F&text2=&text3=)
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He has killed 77 people over the killings he conducted. He claims that it was 'self defence'. I'm no judge but to kill 77 people in 3 different places doesn't seem like you are defending yourself, but deliberately murdering innocent people. He has been caught on camera the best evidence and if I was sentencing him he'd be in the electric chair right now.
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He has killed 77 people over the killings he conducted. He claims that it was 'self defence'. I'm no judge but to kill 77 people in 3 different places doesn't seem like you are defending yourself, but deliberately murdering innocent people. He has been caught on camera the best evidence and if I was sentencing him he'd be in the electric chair right now.
He feels the need to defend himself and his country against what he feels is selling it out to other cultures.
Kind of like someone would wage war against a leader of a country because they feel he is not democratic....
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He has killed 77 people over the killings he conducted. He claims that it was 'self defence'. I'm no judge but to kill 77 people in 3 different places doesn't seem like you are defending yourself, but deliberately murdering innocent people. He has been caught on camera the best evidence and if I was sentencing him he'd be in the electric chair right now.
Why death? Death results in minimal pain and its over with quickly. Why not tie him down over a bamboo shoot?
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Or someone could just off him to end the entire mess. I wonder why they haven't already.
These kind of people... IMO they should not even be protected by human rights, since they have given up their humanity through these cruel acts. The government should just put him to death.
I really dont wanna defend a guy like this but I am actully glad he is put to jail and have a fair trial, it shows how great the system works in Norway
Anders Behring Breivik is put to jail the rest of hes life even if hes considered insane he will serve in a psychiatric hostpital. I heard in the news that tommorow he will continue hes speach about the massacre in Utoya. I think he gets alot of attention, atleast in Norway. We should think and feel for the families of the victims and not the man behind these gruesome acts because its attention he wants.
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I really dont wanna defend a guy like this but I am actully glad he is put to jail and have a fair trial, it shows how great the system works in Norway (Even if the court case cost us twenty million dollars)
Anders Behring Breivik is put to jail the rest of hes life even if hes considered insane he will serve in a psychiatric hostpital. I heard in the news that tommorow he will continue hes speach about the massacre in Utoya. I think he gets alot of attention, atleast in Norway. We should think and feel for the families of the victims and not the man behind these gruesome acts because its attention he wants.
I can to giving someone a fair trial. You mentioned about the attention he seeks we if you ask me that can be switched in a reverse effect. If he is made an example of via fierce punishment it will show the world that countries wont take shit like this. However knowing the world today you'd get a group of activists that believe its too far.
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I can to giving someone a fair trial. You mentioned about the attention he seeks we if you ask me that can be switched in a reverse effect. If he is made an example of via fierce punishment it will show the world that countries wont take shit like this. However knowing the world today you'd get a group of activists that believe its too far.
According to his own statements he would respect a death sentence, however sees imprisonment as a weakness of the system. He is using his spotlights very clever to attract attention.
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I wonder if giant video game titles are gonna be affected, seeing that breikik admitted to getting "trained" with mw2.
For those of us who played it, its obvious where he got the idea of a mass killing with a gun. Though infinity ward never would of seen this one coming, the giant amount of shootings would be minimized if he didnt get such a good idea of it.
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According to his own statements he would respect a death sentence, however sees imprisonment as a weakness of the system. He is using his spotlights very clever to attract attention.
Yes, he is very clever and calculative. Although I see why he does the fist salute, I can't imagine what it would feel like for the families of the victims to see him do that. Mind you he has no coincidence by the looks of it.
Why death? Death results in minimal pain and its over with quickly. Why not tie him down over a bamboo shoot?
Electric Chair not painful?
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what this man need, is to get sentenced to Lifetime in Prison for each Individual he has killed, which would be almost around 1000 years.
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@ Jacob: Probably but its quick. Not something that a person of this kind deserves...
@Tandtrollet: doing that will ensure he has time to put his thoughts into text and attempt publishment of these. Thus spreading his bizarre propaganda. If he is to be locked up he needs to be kept from human contact.
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@ Jacob: Probably but its quick. Not something that a person of this kind deserves...
@Tandtrollet: doing that will ensure he has time to put his thoughts into text and attempt publishment of these. Thus spreading his bizarre propaganda. If he is to be locked up he needs to be kept from human contact.
I can with 100 % sure, say that he will not be kept out from human contact. All prisoners in Norway has the right to go along with other prisoners in the jail, and have access to TV, Papers, etc. Also get visitors...
Only time when the Prosecution can keep him away from other prisoners, media and visitors are when the case is under investigation..
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I remember 22nd of July very well. This sick bastard doesn't deserve to live. "He have a mental disease and shouldn't sit in normal jail". Indeed he was influence during the incidents at Utoya and city of Norway but hell no he deserves easier punishment because he got the diagnos he's not healthy.
He smile in court, he's proud of his actions and he don't show any regret at all. He's a sick bastard and even if he have a mental disease should he be treated as a "normal" convict. This progress is unbelieveable, people who are involved in this are stupid enough to not understand they make the path for him to reach his goal.
Give him ten years, then will he be out on the streets.
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I wonder if giant video game titles are gonna be affected, seeing that breikik admitted to getting "trained" with mw2.
Doubt it. Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda supposedly trained with Microsoft Flight Simulator getting ready for September 11 and nothing changed
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He smile in court, he's proud of his actions and he don't show any regret at all. He's a sick bastard and even if he have a mental disease should he be treated as a "normal" convict. This progress is unbelieveable, people who are involved in this are stupid enough to not understand they make the path for him to reach his goal.
Give him ten years, then will he be out on the streets.
Totally agree. No sense of remorse for what he has done or the people he has killed.
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"and we wouldn't have no killers getting off free.
If they were proven guilty then they would swing quickly,
instead of writin' books and smilin' on T.V. "
I still have no idea why this man is still on this earth.
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I personally think they should just torture him to death, would set a powerful example to others who have the same thoughts.
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Put him in the worst kind of jail possible, make him eat shit and when hes on his deathbed electrocute him.
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Even though he deserves the worst of all punishments, he cannot be taken his life away, unlike he did to the people he killed in 22nd July.
Put him in the worst kind of jail possible, make him eat shit and when hes on his deathbed electrocute him.
Talking about Norway, the worst possible prison would be the one Jack posted about some posts above.
I personally think they should just torture him to death, would set a powerful example to others who have the same thoughts.
This is not the Medieval and that's not gonna stop anything, will only make it worse because humanitarian organizations will join his side and he will become a hero after death. Many have the same thoughts as him, political views but they choose to express it differently, instead of shooting innocent kids, so they don't deserve to be tortured to death aswell.
Electric Chair not painful?
The fear of it is worst than the pain. Electric chair is over done really quickly and isn't really painful, that's why they wet the sponge and tie it to the head (so the voltage strikes the brain immediately and the person dies within seconds)
Breivik trial video: 'Norway killer' claims self-defense, cries in court (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGwRKY0NzKM#)
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Put him in the worst kind of jail possible
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/norway-killer-luxury-prison/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/norway-killer-luxury-prison/)
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For those of us who played it, its obvious where he got the idea of a mass killing with a gun. Though infinity ward never would of seen this one coming, the giant amount of shootings would be minimized if he didnt get such a good idea of it.
Are you even listening to yourself? Jesus fucking christ man, you're the kind of person that's the reason the game industry gets so much shit when things like this happen and the person happened to like playing video games. So he used WoW as an excuse for being busy at such irregular times, he could just as easily have claimed it was any hobby or pastime.
And he "trained with MW2"? Please. He can say what he wants but at the end of the day that shit isn't going to train you any more than a gun sized stick, a forest and a lively imagination. Anyone with actual firearms experience will tell you that much.
Also, the whole video games thing was more of a sidenote to the events than anything else, the only reason that it's getting media coverage at all is because it's still "cool" for news media to hate on them and report every little bad thing.
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To those of you that really want to see this man suffer as you describe, I suggest that it would help if he was released from prison at some point.
Nearly 70 murdered children? Do you really think the parents are going to give a shit about their own lives anymore, and are not going to take matters into their own hands?
Of course not, they're going to murder the shit out of him as soon as he's out of police protection/custody, and right they would be to do so too.
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To those of you that really want to see this man suffer as you describe, I suggest that it would help if he was released from prison at some point.
He has already said that he would 'do it all again' which will make them consider whether he should be released or not. He will most likely get 21 years in jail and before he is released will have to appear in court to see whether he is safe to go out into the public. However if released he would be watched for a very long time probably.
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His actions are horrible, but his cause is legit.
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Doubt it. Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda supposedly trained with Microsoft Flight Simulator getting ready for September 11 and nothing changed
Norway is not United States. In Norway -> Security = Ass. It sucks so hard. In USA, things goes smoother with security but, this ensures that civilians with be equipped with a weapon arm too. In my opinion, Breivik should've been shot. That's all he deserves.. and that is what he wanted. I read about this in the news paper as the police made statements that the plan was getting shot by the cops. He considered shooting towards the News choppers, and the police. But, declined that kind of actions as "The police is not my enemy". It think that the security will possibly be increased on Utoya the next years after this disaster.
Yet, I agree with Gandalf here. I believe that Breivik has more allies around in the world than we can ever imagine. The past 16 years, he has been traveling around the world planning this to provide this disaster as he presented. I still believe that Al-Qaeda is involved. As he starts hinting about this, such as "I took some inspiration from Al-Qaeda". He provided these horrific actions after that Al-Qaeda trained him. That is something that has been leaked by the TV2 News Channel.
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His actions are horrible, but his cause is legit.
I'd agree with that.
I still believe that Al-Qaeda is involved.
I doubt it, given that his actions were motivated by strong anti-muslim beliefs.
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He claimed that he was inspired by Al Qaida in beheading methods however he said later on that beheading is a european method of punishment and not foreign. He also admitted that he was planning to kidnap Norway's president and execute her at video, but she had left the island earlier that day.
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Is this guy nuts or what?
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13487982/court-in-shock-as-breivik-describes-spree/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13487982/court-in-shock-as-breivik-describes-spree/)
Man, He's that weird guy we all see in some violent video game. It wasn't his first he says, he also shot 69 people before. However human kind amazes me, Why'd someone die without any struggle? 69 people, and later 77, none of them dared tackle him? Even if 5 of them did, A huge massacre could had been controlled.
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Is this guy nuts or what?
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13487982/court-in-shock-as-breivik-describes-spree/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13487982/court-in-shock-as-breivik-describes-spree/)
Man, He's that weird guy we all see in some violent video game. It wasn't his first he says, he also shot 69 people before. However human kind amazes me, Why'd someone die without any struggle? 69 people, and later 77, none of them dared tackle him? Even if 5 of them did, A huge massacre could had been controlled.
No one knows how they will react in these situations. Fight or Flight is the big thing going through your mind and not many people have the "Fight" influence in them.
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Is this guy nuts or what?
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13487982/court-in-shock-as-breivik-describes-spree/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13487982/court-in-shock-as-breivik-describes-spree/)
Man, He's that weird guy we all see in some violent video game. It wasn't his first he says, he also shot 69 people before. However human kind amazes me, Why'd someone die without any struggle? 69 people, and later 77, none of them dared tackle him? Even if 5 of them did, A huge massacre could had been controlled.
They should just kill this man already.
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It's actually strange that he is completely sane on the actions he did, after all.
I'm not trying to say he's sane for what he did, but if he speaks like that, that shows, that on medical terms, he's completely sane and aware of his doings. By the looks of it, he has no disorders, too.
Just think about it. A random regular person having a goal to legitimately massacre not just people, but teenagers, and still take responsibility for your actions. He's even sicker and worse than Hitler.
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In my opinion, Breivik should've been shot. That's all he deserves.. and that is what he wanted.
No he didn't. He wants what he has got now and that's the fame to be well known for what he has done. This way he can spread his message about his beliefs onto other people and influence their actions. The fact that he didn't turn the gun on himself surely proves that this is exactly what he wanted.
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He said that when the Norweigian SWAT team arrived he had enough ammunition to shoot at them but he didn't, simply because they were not his enemies.
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He said that when the Norweigian SWAT team arrived he had enough ammunition to shoot at them but he didn't, simply because they were not his enemies.
Instead of cop hunting, it's civilian hunting? :rofl:
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Instead of cop hunting, it's civilian hunting? :rofl:
:lol: Ban him!
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He said that when the Norweigian SWAT team arrived he had enough ammunition to shoot at them but he didn't, simply because they were not his enemies.
Or because he didn't want to die. :roll:
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I think someone earlier in this thread asked why he was crying. He was crying but they're tears of joy. They were showing this. Before watching it, if you're extremely religious or easily offended, don't watch. He made this.
Anders Behring Breivik - Video The Knights Templar - Terrorist Oslo Norway - De Laude Novae Militae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSQTyb8K4jU#)
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I'm fed up with this case lol
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I'm fed up with this case lol
Duh, you're an orc.
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idk I've been seeing little bits and pieces and this guy seems like a perfect /b/ troll to me
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idk I've been seeing little bits and pieces and this guy seems like a perfect /b/ troll to me
lol
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Norway is not United States. In Norway -> Security = Ass. It sucks so hard. In USA, things goes smoother with security but, this ensures that civilians with be equipped with a weapon arm too.
Yes. Norway is not a police state. You should be proud of that.
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Breivik fought for this. Attention and recognition.
For all the "punishers" out there:
The best punishment he can get is a psychiatric institution and everyone around him denying his life and discouraging his thoughts, or simply avoiding him. Why? Because he will feel his goals are not yet fulfilled but trapped in an isolated room. That would be the ideal solution for this trial. Everyone should stop circling any information about him and his acts whatsoever.
Everyone he looks up to is "divinely" prominent in a way. He had a battle to fight and he succeeded, sadly. There are still many wars to fight. He's just one of many sociopaths who're just a bubble ready to burst.
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idk I've been seeing little bits and pieces and this guy seems like a perfect /b/ troll to me
>implying fighting for a cause you believe in = being a troll
/logic
Post Merge: April 21, 2012, 09:39:31 pm
Young Guy supports Anders Breivik For the massacre in utoya. How can you support somethig like that! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1R6KxuMsM4#ws)
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>implying fighting for a cause you believe in = being a troll
/logic
Post Merge: April 21, 2012, 09:39:31 pm
Young Guy supports Anders Breivik For the massacre in utoya. How can you support somethig like that! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1R6KxuMsM4#ws)
He should hide.
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He should hide.
I respect him because he has the balls to talk about what he believes without hiding.
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Breivik fought for this. Attention and recognition.
For all the "punishers" out there:
The best punishment he can get is a psychiatric institution and everyone around him denying his life and discouraging his thoughts, or simply avoiding him. Why? Because he will feel his goals are not yet fulfilled but trapped in an isolated room. That would be the ideal solution for this trial. Everyone should stop circling any information about him and his acts whatsoever.
Everyone he looks up to is "divinely" prominent in a way. He had a battle to fight and he succeeded, sadly. There are still many wars to fight. He's just one of many sociopaths who're just a bubble ready to burst.
I think it's too late, he knows the whole world's media is on his trial..
As for the video, the guy is a minority because the USA was built on multiculturalism...
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I'm from Norway, and this is one of the most tragic I've seen. He has no feelings!
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I'm from Norway, and this is one of the most tragic I've seen. He has no feelings!
Yes he has. He showed emotions when his propaganda movie was shown.
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I'm from Norway, and this is one of the most tragic I've seen. He has no feelings!
He has feelings for his Country :roll:
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He has feelings for his Country :roll:
Europe as a whole bro
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No he didn't. He wants what he has got now and that's the fame to be well known for what he has done. This way he can spread his message about his beliefs onto other people and influence their actions. The fact that he didn't turn the gun on himself surely proves that this is exactly what he wanted.
False.. Breivik stated himself that the plan was getting shot by the police at Utoya
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False.. Breivik stated himself that the plan was getting shot by the police at Utoya
This is true, he expected to be killed on the island. He would not kill himself because he believes that to be dishonourable.
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This is true, he expected to be killed on the island. He would not kill himself because he believes that to be dishonourable.
How can someone who intends on going around and killing children have any sense of honor?
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They Can go thrue his brain 1k of Times. In the End it Will always show, that this man is very sick.
And the bubble that he lives in,Will never break.
What he thinks is that he done norway a huge favour 'calling himself a hero' .
Couse the persons that got killed, was supposed to be inside politic and stuff and acording to him make the dubble of pain and sadness he created.
What cathed my attetion regarding his trail, was that he Said i am 1 of 3, wich also Will strike in the near future.
So if that is true, i would say hope sweden,findland,denmark,norways goverments takes his word serious in that...
Couse are they prepared and ready,to face such terror again ?
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"Terror Island" Documentary about the attacks on Oslo and Utoya 22/7 (eng sub) (http://player.vimeo.com/video/27616588)
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http://pastebin.com/1PYyTG4s (http://pastebin.com/1PYyTG4s)
It was on the internet shortly after the attack.
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Reaction from NATO Deputy Secretary General for Security of Asia, Middle East, Europe, Africa and North America George Hakobyan on Twitter: "Anders Behring #Breivik, should be released as a hero who wants his country to clean from the Muslims!"
Never mind, just another Twitter troll..
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http://pastebin.com/1PYyTG4s (http://pastebin.com/1PYyTG4s)
It was on the internet shortly after the attack.
A lot in his manifest is partly copied from various books etcetera.
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he shot my friend Amel
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he shot my friend Amel
Sorry for your loss, did the poor guy make it?
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he shot my friend Amel
His name does not happen to be Amel Baltic?
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His name does not happen to be Amel Baltic?
It does
Sorry for your loss, did the poor guy make it?
He did
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How can someone who intends on going around and killing children have any sense of honor?
Belief is a good enough mindset for a human. He believed 100% his actions were right and required for his country.... that it was all good. Now maybe you believe otherwise (as most do), but keep in mind he has a brain just like you, but it works differently. Whether he is insane or not, he feels his actions are right. Based on what has already played out, It seems no one will break his spirits, either.
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It does
He did
That guy was in the newspaper in my city in Canada.
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That guy was in the newspaper in my city in Canada.
Thats cool
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Belief is a good enough mindset for a human. He believed 100% his actions were right and required for his country.... that it was all good. Now maybe you believe otherwise (as most do), but keep in mind he has a brain just like you, but it works differently. Whether he is insane or not, he feels his actions are right. Based on what has already played out, It seems no one will break his spirits, either.
Again, so did Hitler believe when he was busy gassing all those Jews.
Seriously man, protecting your country is one thing, but roaming the countryside searching for children to stab (and brag about it to the media later) is just something else. That's just gone fucked up.
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Again, so did Hitler believe when he was busy gassing all those Jews.
Seriously man, protecting your country is one thing, but roaming the countryside searching for children to stab (and brag about it to the media later) is just something else. That's just gone f**ked up.
He is trying to start a revolution for his Country. We look at him as evil yet many countries around the world were founded on the very principle of a revolution lead by a supposed "freedom fighter" of sorts. Look at Mexico.
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Yes. Norway is not a police state. You should be proud of that.
and I am but I think security should be improved.
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and I am but I think security should be improved.
Lol shut it American. You just arrested a Norwegian SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS FOR DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF A ONE LANE STREET. What the hell.
I prefer Norway, compared to the USA.
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Lol shut it American. You just arrested a Norwegian SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS FOR DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF A ONE LANE STREET. What the hell.
I prefer Norway, compared to the USA.
Norway, the country that does not want to punish criminals.
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Norway, the country that does not want to punish criminals.
We don't punish just to punish. We punish to show the society that criminality is wrong. This guy will be in for lifetime, there's no doubt. Even though he's given 21 years, he will be put in custody for 10 years. After those ten, he will get another ten, and the ball goes on.
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Lol shut it American. You just arrested a Norwegian SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS FOR DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF A ONE LANE STREET. What the hell.
Source? :conf:
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Source? :conf:
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073434 (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073434)
They haven't written about it in international papers, and nobody in the US knows about this case, because it's a fucking stupid one and they know it.
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What the fuck man. That's just...
As for security, one way of politicians to gain more power is to allow the situation to remain dangerous so they can take advantage of it, by letting the people vote them some new powers. For all we know, some Norweigian politician's just waiting for the people to lose their sense of security.
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What the f**k man. That's just...
As for security, one way of politicians to gain more power is to allow the situation to remain dangerous so they can take advantage of it, by letting the people vote them some new powers. For all we know, some Norweigian politician's just waiting for the people to lose their sense of security.
It is an obvious fact that the Labour party has misused the amount of attention they have gained trough this case. The youth labour party has got a member boost of 60%, and the labour party has also received a lot of new votes. They are dragging this case too long, and spending an unusual long time on this case. I know, it's an unique case, but they are doing it wrong.
I am a part of the Liberal youth myself, and I am tired of all the new "encouraged" members of the AUF (Liberal youth).
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http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073434 (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073434)
They haven't written about it in international papers, and nobody in the US knows about this case, because it's a f**king stupid one and they know it.
You need to get a more international news source before I will believe this.
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I certainly hope you are not referring to sources such as BBC and CNN.
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I certainly hope you are not referring to sources such as BBC and CNN.
BBC and CNN don't cover bullshit... :D
You need to get a more international news source before I will believe this.
The Sun.
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I certainly hope you are not referring to sources such as BBC and CNN.
I usually refer from the CBC.
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You need to get a more international news source before I will believe this.
http://savemisc.com/144310771 (http://savemisc.com/144310771)
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1122130-Norwegian-sentenced-to-7-5-years-made-a-wrong-turn (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1122130-Norwegian-sentenced-to-7-5-years-made-a-wrong-turn)
http://facepunch.com/threads/1179653 (http://facepunch.com/threads/1179653)
There are NO news about it in the US, because they are told NOT to post it.
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I certainly hope you are not referring to sources such as BBC and CNN.
Why not? The BBC is basically the standard for unbiased news reporting.
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Why not? The BBC is basically the standard for unbiased news reporting.
BBC is partly government owned so they wouldn't post biased news anyway. :P
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http://savemisc.com/144310771 (http://savemisc.com/144310771)
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1122130-Norwegian-sentenced-to-7-5-years-made-a-wrong-turn (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1122130-Norwegian-sentenced-to-7-5-years-made-a-wrong-turn)
http://facepunch.com/threads/1179653 (http://facepunch.com/threads/1179653)
There are NO news about it in the US, because they are told NOT to post it.
Im sure someone in Canada would have posted it. Im not going to believe some random online blogs :P
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Why not? The BBC is basically the standard for unbiased news reporting.
I have a certain distrust for all government-affiliated / owned news channels, it's obvious the government tells just about all of them to report and not to report.
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http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073434 (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073434)
They haven't written about it in international papers, and nobody in the US knows about this case, because it's a f**king stupid one and they know it.
http://www.kpho.com/story/17774936/norwegian-man-gets-75-years-for-running-over-womans-toe (http://www.kpho.com/story/17774936/norwegian-man-gets-75-years-for-running-over-womans-toe)
http://savemisc.com/144310771 (http://savemisc.com/144310771)
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1122130-Norwegian-sentenced-to-7-5-years-made-a-wrong-turn (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1122130-Norwegian-sentenced-to-7-5-years-made-a-wrong-turn)
http://facepunch.com/threads/1179653 (http://facepunch.com/threads/1179653)
There are NO news about it in the US, because they are told NOT to post it.
Because they don't get front paper publicity, I'm pretty sure many US citizens only read what is widely publicized and not what happened in the local level.
Dude, chill please.
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I'm sorry but his punishment is absolute bullshit, I sometimes criticize the UK for having such minor criminal punishments and say 'It should be more like the US's system' but seeing that, Americas law system is just fucking psychotic.
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I'm sorry but his punishment is absolute bullshit, I sometimes criticize the UK for having such minor criminal punishments and say 'It should be more like the US's system' but seeing that, Americas law system is just f**king psychotic.
I know, lol.
Dude, chill please.
Wow. Do you happen to be an American?
Post Merge: April 26, 2012, 01:55:21 pm
Anyhow, I'm so fucking proud to be a Norwegian right now. Just on the call of a facebook event, 40 000 people gathered outside the Labour party building to sing a well known Norwegian song for the lost, the heroes and the remaining. This was totally uncalled for, and a lot of our politicians called the day off at work to join us.
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It kinda sucks that Breivik's actions are actually in some way helping the labour party to gain support, to be honest.
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Wow. Do you happen to be an American?
Yes, and even I'm surprised and unhappy about how the situation was handled with the confused Norwegians. 7 years is too excessive, and the guy who punched him instead of asking him what's the hell is going on should be arrested.
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It kinda sucks that Breivik's actions are actually in some way helping the labour party to gain support, to be honest.
QFTW
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It kinda sucks that Breivik's actions are actually in some way helping the labour party to gain support, to be honest.
Politics, it's all politics, even if the guy helping you get support is someone who roams the countryside looking for children to kill. :redface:
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Politics, it's all politics, even if the guy helping you get support is someone who roams the countryside looking for children to kill. :redface:
*moves away from the countryside*
Politics and religion, the two main reasons the human race has problems. :roll:
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*moves away from the countryside*
Politics and religion, the two main reasons the human race has problems. :roll:
Religion and politics are two sides of the same coin; getting someone to follow what you believe.
That in itself is a part of humans, hence humanity being the only reason why humanity has problems.
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That in itself is a part of humans, hence humanity being the only reason why humanity has problems.
Maybe so, but not all humans are so stuck to religion and politics. :roll:
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Maybe so, but not all humans are so stuck to religion and politics. :roll:
You do not need religion or politics to fight over something either, remove those two and humanity will fight over something else, such as food (aren't they already?) or race, such as this topic is related to.
Racism is not necessarily politically motivated.
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I don't know what he think with..
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It kinda sucks that Breivik's actions are actually in some way helping the labour party to gain support, to be honest.
You are actually wrong.. The Norwegian labour party falls on the polls, and the Norwegian Progress Party (which Breivik was in the youth party earlier in his life) and Conservative Party has majority on the polls at this moment. So the 22nd of July effect, is not there anymore..
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I don't know what he think with..
His brain, like everyone else
You are actually wrong.. The Norwegian labour party falls on the polls, and the Norwegian Progress Party (which Breivik was in the youth party earlier in his life) and Conservative Party has majority on the polls at this moment. So the 22nd of July effect, is not there anymore..
Check out the member statistics of AUF after the incident. Of course, every youth party had a positive increase in members after the incident, but AUF got the most. I am sure we could handle the whole situation a lot better without all the information we've got so far. Yet, there's eight more weeks go to before the court case is done. I can't wait.
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Of course, every youth party had a positive increase in members after the incident
How come?
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How come?
Because every youth thought "hey, I should get political active."
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Can anyone update on what's happening. The BBC haven't posted any updates on this.
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Can anyone update on what's happening. The BBC haven't posted any updates on this.
The court case is suppose to be going on for another eight weeks, so there's nothing new, really.
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>kill about 80 people (it was 77 right?)
>get 21 years max
and who said suspect punishments on argo were not realistic enough...
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>kill about 80 people (it was 77 right?)
>get 21 years max
and who said suspect punishments on argo were not realistic enough...
He will be in custody rest of his life
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He will be in custody rest of his life
'custody' you're talking about is more like a 3 star hotel
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In short...
Kill some people, get free food and lodging.
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In short...
Kill some people, get free food and lodging.
kill some people, life off their parents taxes
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In short...
Kill some people, get free food and lodging.
Couldn't have said it any better myself, half the homeless people in the world would probibly go on a killing spree if they realised that.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself, half the homeless people in the world would probibly go on a killing spree if they realised that.
There's something called moral you know. Guess it's not much of it "over there".