Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Cutt3r on May 15, 2012, 09:23:46 am
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Hi,
We have been through such situations before where people hack weapons and sell them and the people who buy those weapons get banned.
If you choose to buy weapons from other people - that is fine. But if those people are hacking weapons and selling it and it is seen that you did not take any adequate safeguards to check if the person could possibly be hacking - then you will be held accountable for aiding and abetting a weapon hacker. Bans will be placed on such people, weapons will be removed from storage and a minimum of 1 month ban will be made.
Be warned. Play safe and buy weapons from Ammunation alone. Others will promise you cheap weapons. If you take the bait and buy it, you may be risking a lot of time in the unban section.
Cutt3r
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Just a few tips related to weapon hackers dealing.
1. Always remember check whenmade of dealer as if he is new you should notify admins asap about it and do not dare to deal .
2. Look at prices they offer for your guns . Most obvious cases they deal M4 or Sniper . Example sniper they sell for 10-15 bucks which in most scenarios means weapons are hacked especially when bullets have an specific amount such as 2000 or 3000.
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Just a few tips related to weapon hackers dealing.
1. Always remember check whenmade of dealer as if he is new you should notify admins asap about it and do not dare to deal .
2. Look at prices they offer for your guns . Most obvious cases they deal M4 or Sniper . Example sniper they sell for 10-15 bucks which in most scenarios means weapons are hacked especially when bullets have an specific amount such as 2000 or 3000.
Although sometimes recognize hacker could be pretty hard, next tip, usually hackers hacks huge amount of ammunation, first of all ask for the amount he has. After that you may buy, if it makes sense for you. Prefer to buy from the ammunations around SA.
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I can only say, be cautious who you buy weapons from, use all the safety measures that you can.
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I bet 90% of players are buying weapons from Ammunation and dont need to buy weapons from other players. But still there are hackers moving around, thanks for warning.
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May I ask,
What are the best ways to tell if someone is selling hacked weapons?
Any suggestions will be fine.
Thanks
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May I ask,
What are the best ways to tell if someone is selling hacked weapons?
Any suggestions will be fine.
Thanks
Here you have some guidelines from Cutt3r, would have said the same thing but he already pointed it out in an unban request.
Simple common sense ways of knowing if a person is doing something wrong, especially when it comes to weapons:
1. Check whenmade.
2. Think logically - 'is it possible that a player who has been here just 10 days can get so much weapons?' or 'why is he selling it so cheap?'
3. The best option is to buy weapons from people whom you know, people who have been on server for a long long time(6+ months).
If you do not want to heed the above guidelines, it is upto you but you stand the risk of being banned. As stated through PM, I have unbanned you(being the ban made before warning on SAMP general was given), will remove your weapons soon.
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Cutter, want to buy some weaponry from me? :devroll:
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ADVERTISEMENT: selling cheap weps 20k ammo sniper for 30k and 10k ammo combat for 20k CALL ME, contant Daco_Araatus(phone: 187)
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I always find it suspicious how people get weapons so cheap to sell them ahead. Anyways, I always do /whenmade and check with online admins before making any such deal. Never bought from someone with /whenmade newer than 2010.
Not sure about others, but I've personally bought about 28k M4 ($2 per bullet), 27K Combat ($1/bullet), 30K Deagle($1/bullet) and 30K Sniper($10/bullet) outside Ammunation, most of which I still have.
Off topic - Looking to buy loads and loads of pepper spray (Not illegal I guess, it can only be used for self defense :D) . I wonder if anyone sells it tho. :razz: Maybe some M4 too. :cool:
On other note, I gave the amount of weapons I have along with price of them just to show how unbelievable it is. I do not sell weapons. So, Don't bother annoying me asking if I'm going to sell them. :neutral:
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Why is this topic made with one particular intention now a marketplace for weapons :(
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Meh, just call an admin to check on the guy selling.
That's the only way to know it.
IF there are no admins online, don't bother buying 'em.
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Meh, just call an admin to check on the guy selling.
That's the only way to know it.
IF there are no admins online, don't bother buying 'em.
Sometimes only a logcheck will detect whether it was hacked or not. In other words an admin with his tools may not be able to help you and it may not be to your defence that you talked to an admin about it.
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In other words - be really really careful. Buy weapons from Ammunation(best option) or from people who have been here for eons.
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thanks for tip cutt3r :D
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And remember if you buy from people who have been here a long time... you may still be buying hacked weapons. Just we were lazy to catch all a long time ago....
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And remember if you buy from people who have been here a long time... you may still be buying hacked weapons. Just we were lazy to catch all a long time ago....
-Isn't i just Easier to Make a Script Which automaticly Bans The Player if he Get Weapons without /buyweapon or /giveweapon ? :redface:
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a Script Which automaticly Bans The Player
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ (http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/)
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http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ (http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/)
-Stop Doing This Troll's (it isnt fuuny) And, Its Usefull and Read the last of it -.-
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http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ (http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/)
My ears are saying nooooooooooooooo after pressing it repeatedly.
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-Stop Doing This Troll's (it isnt fuuny) And, Its Usefull and Read the last of it -.-
Why You Talk Like This All The Time,Isn't It Easier Talk Proper Way?
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Why You Talk Like This All The Time,Isn't It Easier Talk Proper Way?
-Well, First Off All Because He's Troll'ing And Yes I Know it Is But Serious, Wouldnt a Guy Piss you Off If You are Makeing an Idea And Hes Trolling Like www.nooooooo.com (http://www.nooooooo.com) ? He Could just Say No It isnt An God idea, No Need to Troll
And it Wasent Ment to Be Rude or Something,
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-Well, First Off All Because He's Troll'ing And Yes I Know it Is But Serious, Wouldnt a Guy Piss you Off If You are Makeing an Idea And Hes Trolling Like www.nooooooo.com (http://www.nooooooo.com) ? He Could just Say No It isnt An God idea, No Need to Troll
And it Wasent Ment to Be Rude or Something,
Isn't It's Hard Use Caps Lock On Each Word You Say,I Mean It's Painfull.
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You just broke my brain, Stop Talking Like This With Every Word.
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fucking bullshit, punishing people for your own scripts being faulty
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As much as i disagree with that attitude presented in the post above, i have no choice but to agree with the actual meaning of that post.
Many other servers already have the anti-cheat scripts that work just fine, and Argonath, such a prestige community with so many members, cannot get one?
Do not get mad at the truth, but seems like our scripters are just being lazy therefor theyre putting the responsibility on the players shoulders. Many newbies in the server are selling weapons. How the hell am i supposed to know if he is a hacker or not?
It's 2012, our technology should be advancing forward, but for now, we're going back in time.
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As said numerous times, RS4 scripts are currently frozen, no work is being done on them due to RS5 development.
RS5 will consist of all new scripts, therefore working on RS4 right now wouldn't be useful at any point.
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f**king bullshit, punishing people for your own scripts being faulty
What's faulty? Our Anti Cheat works fine and has done before the other servers figured out you could make one.
This topic was not made for any other reason but to remind people of their common sense.
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'RS4 scripts are frozen'...pff
and no shit I know common sense is important, but if there's a regular, and he's like 'yo I need to free up a weapon slot, could you help me get rid of 5000 sniper rifle and buy it at hell, 1 dollar per bullet?' and the person who buys the weapon gets banned - that's just fucking ridiculous.
It's your own fault that you can't prevent it no matter what script limitations are, if it's simply such a huge issue disable weapon trading system. It's just plain bullshit like I said already.
If a guy buys shitload weps off a regular then I can understand all his cash getting returned and weapons getting removed (or if he used weps already, no cash return then) but I don't understand a fucking ban for not doing admin's job, since he is a player, and not an admin. The only reason why I see they should get banned is if there is clearly proof, that they know they are buying hacked weps (yo dude u selling hacked weps for discount???? okay ill take it all')
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As much as i disagree with that attitude presented in the post above, i have no choice but to agree with the actual meaning of that post.
Many other servers already have the anti-cheat scripts that work just fine, and Argonath, such a prestige community with so many members, cannot get one?
Do not get mad at the truth, but seems like our scripters are just being lazy therefor theyre putting the responsibility on the players shoulders. Many newbies in the server are selling weapons. How the hell am i supposed to know if he is a hacker or not?
It's 2012, our technology should be advancing forward, but for now, we're going back in time.
Because we are a server that allows idiots to duly suffer the consequences of our actions instead of pampering everyone even if they do the most stupid shits you can imagine.
For your information, our cheat systems have been coveted by other servers and communities. I bet no one can succeed with using money hacks on our server.
Argonath is advancing forward. The only thing that is going backwards your brain.
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Because we are a server that allows idiots to duly suffer the consequences of our actions instead of pampering everyone even if they do the most stupid shits you can imagine.
For your information, our cheat systems have been coveted by other servers and communities. I bet no one can succeed with using money hacks on our server.
Argonath is advancing forward. The only thing that is going backwards your brain.
The last sentence might have been taken as an insult.. Should i take it that way?
Anyways, you're saying that we have a perfect cheat system, yet weapon hacking happens?
You cannot blame complicated scripts on players. How the hell are players supposed to know if this person has bought the weapon or he hacked it?
I agree with Marcell, this is beyond bulls*it
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The biggest annoying thing I feel about this myself is that everyone says you're suppossed to know if someone hacks weapons or not just by checking his register date and weapon price. What does it have to do with it at all? There could be a newbie selling 1000 sniper for 1 per bullet, since he got it for free from somebody else. But so there could be a regular saying hacked 1000 sniper for 20 bullet each. You can only ASSUME if somebody hacked the weapons or not, and that's not enough to make the decision. Imagine that admins instead of checking reports, would just assume if the players are hacking by checking if they're new, and then ban them or not ban them.
If it's such a bad thing then disable weapon trading or improve the script somehow, not ban people who can't even check 100% sure something they can get banned for.
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The last sentence might have been taken as an insult.. Should i take it that way?
With how you are portraying our fair server, there is little other conclusion.
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No one mentioned perfect as perfection is hard to achieve. Anyone who says they have the 'Perfect' of something are of their rocker.
Again it boils down to a lil bit of common sense. If something doesn't appear to be right even the smallest thing, do not continue whatever it is you are doing. We (The administration) are always here to help you if need be, one call and we will be there.
If in doubt don't get anything out. - Meaning if a deal doesn't seem right don't give them anything and leave the deal.
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With how you are portraying our fair server, there is little other conclusion.
I'm a player , just like you are, i see issues and i point them out. Having people responsible for complicated anti-hack scripts is definatly something that makes me unhappy
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I'm a player , just like you are, i see issues and i point them out. Having people responsible for complicated anti-hack scripts is definatly something that makes me unhappy
You distort the portrayal of our server. I do not recall our administration deliberately encouraging nor coercing anyone to buy weapons from hackers or hacked sources so they can get banned.
It is fairly obvious that anyone with even half a brain will not go ahead and randomly buy weapons from some suspicious weapon dealer when you can get scam-free and 100% safe weapons in Ammunation.
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It is fairly obvious that anyone with even half a brain will not go ahead and randomly buy weapons from some suspicious weapon dealer when you can get scam-free and 100% safe weapons in Ammunation.
I would never pay ammunation-price for M4 ammo unless I'd win lottery/casino game
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As much as i disagree with that attitude presented in the post above, i have no choice but to agree with the actual meaning of that post.
Many other servers already have the anti-cheat scripts that work just fine, and Argonath, such a prestige community with so many members, cannot get one?
Do not get mad at the truth, but seems like our scripters are just being lazy therefor theyre putting the responsibility on the players shoulders. Many newbies in the server are selling weapons. How the hell am i supposed to know if he is a hacker or not?
It's 2012, our technology should be advancing forward, but for now, we're going back in time.
Thanks to a combination of scripts and manual work, our anti-cheat system detects things that go unnoticed on other servers, which is exactly why we will catch people.
If you can not understand that someone without a passport selling weapons for 1/10 of the price in ammunation is hacking, you deserve the ban.
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Thanks to a combination of scripts and manual work, our anti-cheat system detects things that go unnoticed on other servers, which is exactly why we will catch people.
If you can not understand that someone without a passport selling weapons for 1/10 of the price in ammunation is hacking, you deserve the ban.
-But whe cannot Check for Passport, Only /whenmade 0.o but i always do /whenmade. But old Players can hack it too, ?
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-But whe cannot Check for Passport, Only /whenmade 0.o but i always do /whenmade. But old Players can hack it too, ?
/registration
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/registration
Isn't that restricted to those on duty?
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It is Panda.
There is a group of people that are online throughout the day on the server. I've heard that this group of people call themselves 'The Administration' I believe that this group of people are available to offer help and guidance should people need/ask for it. So if you are unsure of things you would contact them.
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Isn't that restricted to those on duty?
That means you can ask cops for help in addition to admins, and there are at least ten times more cops than admins.
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That means you can ask cops for help in addition to admins, and there are at least ten times more cops than admins.
Be right back, going to call the SWAT to check out if my illegal weapon dealer is legit or not :cool:
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Thanks to a combination of scripts and manual work, our anti-cheat system detects things that go unnoticed on other servers, which is exactly why we will catch people.
If you can not understand that someone without a passport selling weapons for 1/10 of the price in ammunation is hacking, you deserve the ban.
What about newer players? There are many of those newbies nowadays that wish to create a gang with as less expenses as possible. They might not be aware that the guns might be hacked or anything like that. So what, they will get banned because they bought a weapon that was hacked? Please..
Also, what if hacker is a regular?
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What about newer players? There are many of those newbies nowadays that wish to create a gang with as less expenses as possible. They might not be aware that the guns might be hacked or anything like that. So what, they will get banned because they bought a weapon that was hacked? Please..
Probably not. Reason: Lack of experience.
Also, what if hacker is a regular?
They'll be banned. Obviously.
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What about newer players? There are many of those newbies nowadays that wish to create a gang with as less expenses as possible. They might not be aware that the guns might be hacked or anything like that. So what, they will get banned because they bought a weapon that was hacked? Please..
Newbies creating gangs are in the minority, which good we must place second to the general populace.
Also, what if hacker is a regular?
Banned with less chance of unban, and some assets removed.
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Also, what if hacker is a regular?
They'll be banned. Obviously.
Also, what if hacker is a regular?
Banned with less chance of unban, and some assets removed.
That wasn't what he was asking..
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That wasn't what he was asking..
What was he asking? How do we tell if a regular was hacking?
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What was he asking? How do we tell if a regular was hacking?
He wasn't asking what would happen to the hacker, he was asking "what if the hacker was a regular" in response to Gandalf's point that those that who are not suspicious of new players selling guns deserve the ban.
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If you choose to buy weapons from other people - that is fine. But if those people are hacking weapons and selling it and it is seen that you did not take any adequate safeguards to check if the person could possibly be hacking - then you will be held accountable for aiding and abetting a weapon hacker. Bans will be placed on such people, weapons will be removed from storage and a minimum of 1 month ban will be made.
Then admins who failed to catch the hackers should also be punished and banned. Admin team lets people hack, but players should be held accountable?
Catching hackers is a job of the administration, want players to do your job - give them admin rights and access to logs.
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It's the side job of administration not the main one. Yes people slip through the net from time to time that's because we cannot suspect everyone or monitor everyone 24/7. Sifting through the logs for these hacks will not always be as obvious at first glance either some are somewhat 'smart'.
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It's the side job of administration not the main one.
And? It's not players' job.
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Then admins who failed to catch the hackers should also be punished and banned. Admin team lets people hack, but players should be held accountable?
Catching hackers is a job of the administration, want players to do your job - give them admin rights and access to logs.
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I doubt the player will be banned if they surrender the hacked weapons to an admin for disposal. Unless we develop a fool-proof anti-weaponhack system on SA:MP, then hacked weapons will get through from time to time.
People who are banned for purchasing hacked weapons, let alone from clearly obvious dealers such as a guy selling 2,500 M4 for $5,000, have earned their consequences through lack of common sense.
If anyone with at least half a brain saw someone selling suspicious-looking white powder in an alley near the police station, I doubt they would buy from him because they are looking for baby powder or flour.
Of course, this does not mean I support the bans on all innocents involved. I am merely pointing out that common sense (which in these days is becoming more of a superpower) can prevent plenty of these mishaps from occurring.