Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: xterm on July 04, 2012, 08:49:00 pm
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ok well i just got temp banned for deathmatching by WS Mash and i just want clarification on the rules, since i dont know where to ask for that ill just post it here and hope it can be clarified.
Ok firstly ill explain the sitaution: we were at market ( corleone and Gstar ) and i recived a phone call from A guy syaing he wanted to organise a brawl between his group and mine, so we rped on the phone and we arranged a meeting at ganton, we proceeded there and then rped searching for the guys who called us, after about 30 seconds we found them and they found us and both groups started to brawl, a second later we all get temp banned for deathmatching, I want to know whether the rp oragnised brawl was incorrect and how.
Ill show chatlogs regarding thE sitaution:
[19:09:57] Your mobile is ringing. Type /pickup to answer or /rejectcall to reject it. Caller ID: Lesane_Bryant
[19:10:04] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):Yoo
[19:10:06] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):Wassup
[19:10:11] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):What up.
[19:10:17] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):nt much
[19:10:21] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):make it fast please
[19:10:28] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):Round your niggas up mayne, shit's about to pop.
[19:10:41] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):Bring 'em bats too cousin.
[19:10:58] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):You hear what I'm saying?
[19:11:13] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):Me an' my nigga here ready to beat all y'all niggas into small pieces.
[19:11:39] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):oh shiii
[19:11:42] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):chu' sure nigguh
[19:11:47] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):tell me where and when and yo ass dead
[19:12:05] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):Ganton mayne but I'm warning you - no guns or nothing like that.
[19:12:10] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):This is pure melee dawg you dig.
[19:12:16] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):well see about that homie
Me telling teh rest the rped phone call :
[19:12:26] ***[5666] [Gstar]Xterm(3): ok listen
[19:12:31] ***[5666] [Gstar]Xterm(3): brawl at ganton no guns
[19:12:35] ***[5666] [Gstar]Xterm(3): no one use a gun
Continued phone call :
[19:12:32] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):My niggas holding RPG's around here you don't wanna bring that heat.
[19:12:39] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):Bring a bat, let me break yo' apart.
[19:12:44] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):on the way you foo's dead
[19:12:52] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):Ok man whatever.
[19:12:54] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says(phone):keep yo ass there
[19:12:57] Lesane_Bryant(12) says(phone):Grove Street is the place holla back.
[19:12:59] They hung up.
Ok this is where the phone rp ends
Ok now this is when we arrive at ganton:
[19:14:38] [Gstar]Xterm(3) gets out teh car calmly
[19:14:48] [Gstar]Xterm(3) shouts: Ayo did you fools call me!!
[19:14:55] [Gstar]Xterm(3) shouts: some motherf**kers todl me to get my ass to ganton!!
[19:14:58] [Gstar]Xterm(3) shouts: was it you!!
[19:15:19] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says: chu' hearing me or what
[19:15:20] Lesane_Bryant(12) says: Mayne look at you.
[19:15:24] Lesane_Bryant(12) says: You sporting batman boxers aswell?
[19:15:33] [Gstar]Xterm(3) laughs
[19:15:42] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says: yo fake ass gunna' be bleeding soon nigguh
[19:15:46] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says: so calm yo' shit down
[19:15:55] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says: when you talk to a OG like me
[19:15:54] Lesane_Bryant(12) says: Yeah? Mayne lemme get at yo' ass real quick dawg.
[19:16:03] [Gstar]Xterm(3) says: chu' sure nigguh'
[19:16:07] [Gstar]Xterm(3) looks around ot his homies
[19:16:10] [Gstar]Xterm(3) nods to them all
[19:16:14] [Gstar]Xterm(3) shouts: aight f**k em up fists!!
[19:16:20] Lesane_Bryant(12) says: C'mon then, huh.
This is whne mash starts to punish us:
[19:16:31] [Gstar]Xterm was tempbanned by [WS]Mash.(31) for 45 minutes for Deathmatching.
[19:16:31] [Gstar]Xterm, you have been temporarily banned from the server by [WS]Mash. for 45 minutes.
[19:16:31] Date/Time: 04/07/2012 | Ban reason: Deathmatching.
[19:16:31] Ban evading will get you permbanned.
[19:16:31] Server closed the connection.
Oh can i also state that duel was present at the whole situation and he pmed Mash saying the situation is under control but he was ignored and mash continued and temp banned a few of teh people that where with me too.
Id like to say this is not a complaint against anyone i just want clarfication on the situation. If any admins have time to check this out if mash you cna post your viewpoint here it would be apreciated.
Thnaks X.
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Moved it to this section instead.
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Moved it to this section instead.
ok thanks, if you have time could you scan this topic and point out wrong doings so we know for teh future, thanks.
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You can not attack another group without a reason.
The reason in here was "We are rivals" regarding to Lesane_Bryant (who also got punished).
Every group has their rivals, but that does not mean you can go and attack them everyday, nor organise fights because you feel to do so.
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I've got further information that might compromise someone's status.
am I allowed to post such information here?
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I attended here.
You can not attack another group without a reason.
Mash, in my point of view, we all got untruthfully tempbanned, They started calling us to get our asses over to ganton. When we came they arrived on their Sanchez's. All of us got out of our cars and walked over Lesane, they took out their bats, and Xterm Started to speak with Lesane_Bryant. At one point i saw Lesane's friend taking out a pistol and Xterm gave us permission to start the fight. About halfway down, i was the first one who get a tempban for Deathmatching...
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You can not attack another group without a reason.
The reason in here was "We are rivals" regarding to Lesane_Bryant (who also got punished).
Every group has their rivals, but that does not mean you can go and attack them everyday, nor organise fights because you feel to do so.
did anyone say to you thier our rivals?there not our rivals? ive never even had a shootoutt or rp fight with tehse guys before. they called us for a " rped brawl as you can see form the logs.."
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So if any stranger call you to have a fight you turn up ?
Good to know how the FBI can put all of your asses in Mordor, it would take just one call.
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So if any stranger call you to have a fight you turn up ?
Good to know how the FBI can put all of your asses in Mordor, it would take just one call.
Saldy, no. they were only two, shouldn't of called us.
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So if any stranger call you to have a fight you turn up ?
Good to know how the FBI can put all of your asses in Mordor, it would take just one call.
He called us stating that his guys were waiting and wanted to meet us followed by shit will get real, which is just roleplay. when you RP a cop you speak respectfully in dialogue and equally when you rp a gangster you have to rp non respectfully to each other like 'shits about to get real son'. Doesnt necesarily mean anything.. When we got there both gangs spoke to each other dissing each other and this worked its way up to physical violence being used in the form of fists and baseball bats, which is roleplay. How can a gangster be roleplayed any other way? If you verbally abuse each other and escalate the situation whats going to happen? both parties just be like "lol that was good roleplay bro cya later". ofcourse not? thats when the fist fight broke out, which would have entailed more RP such as 'Xterm collapses onto the pavement' etc etc. Ambulance is called etc etc. It doesnt necesarilly lead to death.
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He called us stating that his guys were waiting and wanted to meet us followed by shit will get real, which is just roleplay. when you RP a cop you speak respectfully in dialogue and equally when you rp a gangster you have to rp non respectfully to each other like 'shits about to get real son'. Doesnt necesarily mean anything.. When we got there both gangs spoke to each other dissing each other and this worked its way up to physical violence being used in the form of fists and baseball bats, which is roleplay. How can a gangster be roleplayed any other way? If you verbally abuse each other and escalate the situation whats going to happen? both parties just be like "lol that was good roleplay bro cya later". ofcourse not? thats when the fist fight broke out, which would have entailed more RP such as 'Xterm collapses onto the pavement' etc etc. Ambulance is called etc etc. It doesnt necesarilly lead to death.
The basic thin is that a stranger called you and you roll out with full weapons.
When he called as you did not know the group by your own admitting, you could have been surrounded by 25 FBI guys and transported to Mordor.
What you re doing is not RP at all, it is finding an excuse for a shootout.
The guys have no beef with you as you do not know them.
They are not in your hood as you have to drive to them.
What REAL reason was there to go to them except them calling they wanted to DM with you (beat your ass) ?
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You can not attack another group without a reason.
The reason in here was "We are rivals" regarding to Lesane_Bryant (who also got punished).
Every group has their rivals, but that does not mean you can go and attack them everyday, nor organise fights because you feel to do so.
By the way, why I was temp. banned too?
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You can not attack another group without a reason.
The reason in here was "We are rivals" regarding to Lesane_Bryant (who also got punished).
Every group has their rivals, but that does not mean you can go and attack them everyday, nor organise fights because you feel to do so.
Just out of interest, who did you receive the report from about the conflict?
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The basic thin is that a stranger called you and you roll out with full weapons.
When he called as you did not know the group by your own admitting, you could have been surrounded by 25 FBI guys and transported to Mordor.
What you re doing is not RP at all, it is finding an excuse for a shootout.
The guys have no beef with you as you do not know them.
They are not in your hood as you have to drive to them.
What REAL reason was there to go to them except them calling they wanted to DM with you (beat your ass) ?
ok i understand but tehre was no guns involved at all you can even see me say in cb this is a rped fist fight, we didnt have intentions to go tehre and cause a shootout.
An admiin was alreayd present at the time for the whole time(Duel was there on his UC account) and he didnt see a reason to temp ban us how did another :s
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ok i understand but tehre was no guns involved at all you can even see me say in cb this is a rped fist fight, we didnt have intentions to go tehre and cause a shootout.
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Sorry. Just this is the most unbelievable post I read today.
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Sorry. Just this is the most unbelievable post I read today.
we went there to sort out a verbal escalation from a phone call....you can see that and as i said duel was part of this rp he was with us teh whole time he didnt see anything wrong with it at the time and he even pointed that out to mash...
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we went there to sort out a verbal escalation from a phone call....you can see that and as i said duel was part of this rp he was with us teh whole time he didnt see anything wrong with it at the time and he even pointed that out to mash...
No you got a call to hold a DM and asnwered it.
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No you got a call to hold a DM and asnwered it.
I don't see how you are calling this deathmatching? I am the leader of a strong group and if someone calls me out, I am going to answer that call. Someone challenged me and my group, do you want me to say "no sorry i will hide like a little girl in my house"?
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Both parties where punished after investigating further..
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Also i was there too, when they started punch each other i was looking from side and then that guy punch me one time and i punched him back one time that's all and for that i get tempban!
How do u explain Mash?
FaKtorS
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I don't see how you are calling this deathmatching? I am the leader of a strong group and if someone calls me out, I am going to answer that call. Someone challenged me and my group, do you want me to say "no sorry i will hide like a little girl in my house"?
Why would you feel challenged if an unknown guy calls you out of nowhere ?
A truly strong group based on RP would tell him to fack off and mind his own business.
Only a DM group would see anything other as direct shooting as 'RP reason' where there is none.
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The basic thin is that a stranger called you and you roll out with full weapons.
When he called as you did not know the group by your own admitting, you could have been surrounded by 25 FBI guys and transported to Mordor.
What you re doing is not RP at all, it is finding an excuse for a shootout.
The guys have no beef with you as you do not know them.
They are not in your hood as you have to drive to them.
What REAL reason was there to go to them except them calling they wanted to DM with you (beat your ass) ?
It depends on how you define full weapons. I clearly said in the CB chat that no guns are to be used by anyone and when we arrived we only used melee weapons. That's hardly using "full weapons" IMO.
Does it matter whether I knew the other group or not? My character ingame is a strong willed, ruthless, afro-carribean leader of a gang of quite a few members. He thinks he is powerful and influential, if someone calls regardless of who they are, he will "answer" the call with an appropiate response.
And your point about the 25 FBI agents would be valid... If the FBI had the organisational skills to execute an operation like that, will look our for that trick in the future :)
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I would had understood if you went there if you had got beaten up or a mate of yours had been, and you searched for revenge.
But you recieved a call from Leslie who wanted to fight - Which human calls another group to fight to death?
As Gandalf already properly explained you replied to a team deathmatch invite. I temporary banned everyone involved for deathmatching and Leslie and his mate for encouraging deathmatching. You had no roleplay reason to be there, hence the temporary ban.
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It depends on how you define full weapons. I clearly said in the CB chat that no guns are to be used by anyone and when we arrived we only used melee weapons. That's hardly using "full weapons" IMO.
Does it matter whether I knew the other group or not? My character ingame is a strong willed, ruthless, afro-carribean leader of a gang of quite a few members. He thinks he is powerful and influential, if someone calls regardless of who they are, he will "answer" the call with an appropiate response.
And your point about the 25 FBI agents would be valid... If the FBI had the organisational skills to execute an operation like that, will look our for that trick in the future :)
You got to understand that it would never end there, and I am pretty sure you know that.
Using melee weapons or fist fight will get you wanted, and as afro-carribean retard you will not give up.
An appropriate response is only 'nigaa you ain't in our hood we have no beef'.
Using a phone call as excuse to hold a DM meeting is not acceptable in any case.
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@Isabella
Do you feel lucky Troll ?
:D
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Which human calls another group to fight to death?
One that truly believes he(/she) is stronger?
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@Isabella
:D
Isabella and the other account have ceased to exist.
His third account will need another IP, waiting for him to use his cellphone.
Guess some third-generation Turkish prick thinks he is something clever.
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I would had understood if you went there if you had got beaten up or a mate of yours had been, and you searched for revenge.
But you recieved a call from Leslie who wanted to fight - Which human calls another group to fight to death?
As Gandalf already properly explained you replied to a team deathmatch invite. I temporary banned everyone involved for deathmatching and Leslie and his mate for encouraging deathmatching. You had no roleplay reason to be there, hence the temporary ban.
Another admin told you the sitaution was under control you didnt have to do anything
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Another admin told you the sitaution was under control you didnt have to do anything
I did something as I knew you broke the rules. Hence the temporary ban.
You said you want to reach a solution here, yet you start to argue about your punishment. You found an excuse to deathmatch, now you found an excuse to discuss your punishment.
The temporary ban was placed correct, you did deathmatch. If you want to argue further I advice you to talk to my finger. If you want to complain about your punishment I advice you to write an email to [email protected] and let it be.
EDIT: How can you know if another admin told me it was under control by the way?
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I did something as I knew you broke the rules. Hence the temporary ban.
You said you want to reach a solution here, yet you start to argue about your punishment. You found an excuse to deathmatch, now you found an excuse to discuss your punishment.
The temporary ban was placed correct, you did deathmatch. If you want to argue further I advice you to talk to my finger. If you want to complain about your punishment I advice you to write an email to [email protected] and let it be.
EDIT: How can you know if another admin told me it was under control by the way?
someone seems to be stressed. Why does it matter how i know, all that matters is that i know, i actually know becuase he told me himself, he told you the situation was under control but you ignoreed him and continued. He was actualy UC at the time, thats why i was stugging to understand my punishment due to the fact that a UC admin was present during the whole RP and didnt act upon it s he saw it as a legitamate rp.
I wish to not discuss this any further if you do feel free to pm me.
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We are not UC, we are normal players whilst on non admin accounts.
I pmed Mash, telling him it was RPed.. But, he may know more to the story than I do, that's why I did not take any further questioning / confrontation.
Mash is experienced and knows what he is doing.
But, still in my opinion, the players who encouraged it should get spoken to.
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how is this dm... it's not the best roleplay, but it isn't dm at all
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But, still in my opinion, the players who encouraged it should get spoken to.
They recieved same punishment as the rest :)
It's deathmatch as the reason they provided isn't legit. They had a fight in a neutral area. For what reason? To see who was the strongest.
It would had been a different story if the callers would had been in Jefferson (Gstar's hangout) and destroyed assets. Then Gstar's would had a legit rolepaly reason to attack them since they had invaded their area and aswell ruined it, same applies for the opposite side.
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This sounds like plain abuse to me, just cause you don't agree with how they want to roleplay a gang doesn't mean you can ban them, and I don't see how it's deathmatching as both sides agreed to fight.... and yes, I do think that in reality there exist gangs barbaric enough to provoke such a fight due to mutual disrespect to show themselves who's better in terms of member resistance and numbers, and the explanation of 25 FBI agents is purely ridiculous, what they'd do, give them tickets for insulting over the phone? ....
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its clear to me theres something not right about this just from the wide variety of responses posted here.
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From what I see this is just a poorly made role play and that's the belligerent parties' fault.
About the punishment: Wasn't there an administrator on a RP account there? He would have made the report if he had seen a proper reason. I don't see a fuss about it.
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From what I see this is just a poorly made role play and that's the belligerent parties' fault.
About the punishment: Wasn't there an administrator on a RP account there? He would have made the report if he had seen a proper reason. I don't see a fuss about it.
at the time none of the 2 parties invovled reported or rejected the planned meetup and confrontation.
To be honest at the moment im no clearer on the situation due to the contrasting replies from quite a few experienced players however i do feel its time to move on from this anyway even though it would of been nice for everyone here if this was clarified more.
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Just because the two involved parties don't object doesn't mean it's legit.
Rules are supposed to be followed, not modified. The rules says clearly "Do not attack others without a proper role-play reason"1.
You broke this rule by providing a role-play reason in form of "we are rivals", "we wanted to have a fight" and "brawl is going out". It might be a proper role-play reason in your view but from administration view it is not, hence the punishment.
Source
1http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Server_Rules (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Server_Rules)
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Just because the two involved parties don't object doesn't mean it's legit.
Rules are supposed to be followed, not modified. The rules says clearly "Do not attack others without a proper role-play reason"1.
You broke this rule by providing a role-play reason in form of "we are rivals", "we wanted to have a fight" and "brawl is going out". It might be a proper role-play reason in your view but from administration view it is not, hence the punishment.
Source
1http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Server_Rules (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Server_Rules)
Dont make assumptions no one said us and them are rivals, how can we be rivals when weve never ever had a violent rp with them before?? They called my phone that day for the first time and disrespected me on the phone and laid down a challenge for me and my gang we went there to investigate saw that no one else was in the area except for them 2 and as tehre was 6 of us we proceeded with the rp, then i rped asking them if they were the ones who called me they rped in response and confrimed it was them and then a brawl occured after the words from both parties.
Im not sure if you have made a automatic conclusion on this, of us and them being " rivals" because no one anywhere has said that but you seem to think that?
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We'll...Didn't the both parties agree to this? If so, I see nothing wrong here except heavy typos and lack of roleplay.
Post Merge: July 05, 2012, 06:45:31 pm
There isnt a rule for what you can ''rp''.
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Dont make assumptions no one said us and them are rivals, how can we be rivals when weve never ever had a violent rp with them before?? They called my phone that day for the first time and disrespected me on the phone and laid down a challenge for me and my gang we went there to investigate saw that no one else was in the area except for them 2 and as tehre was 6 of us we proceeded with the rp, then i rped asking them if they were the ones who called me they rped in response and confrimed it was them and then a brawl occured after the words from both parties.
Im not sure if you have made a automatic conclusion on this, of us and them being " rivals" because no one anywhere has said that but you seem to think that?
If you were not rivals one reason less to react on a call to DM.
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Question.
If someone called me like this and I were to say "Come to my house if you dare".
If they came and I defended myself and my 'hood' / property, would it still be considered as DMing on my part?
It's happened a few time that someone's made such a call to me in real life as well, and I've simply asked them to come if they dare, obviously so far no one's actually came, thank god.
Thanks in advance.
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Question.
If someone called me like this and I were to say "Come to my house if you dare".
If they came and I defended myself and my 'hood' / property, would it still be considered as DMing on my part?
It's happened a few time that someone's made such a call to me in real life as well, and I've simply asked them to come if they dare, obviously so far no one's actually came, thank god.
Thanks in advance.
omg irl dm
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Upon the confrontation I made on Leslie (s)he issued me with the explaination "we are rivals". The reason I punished for this is since they had no reason at all to fight more then to show up who are the strongest. I find that an excuse to get wanted and be pursued by cops.
Question.
If someone called me like this and I were to say "Come to my house if you dare".
If they came and I defended myself and my 'hood' / property, would it still be considered as DMing on my part?
It's happened a few time that someone's made such a call to me in real life as well, and I've simply asked them to come if they dare, obviously so far no one's actually came, thank god.
Thanks in advance.
If he called you up for no specific reason I would act aswell. How did he got contact with you? Why did he contacted you?
If you are in a personal dispute such as he ruined your assets or scammed you I will vouch for it as you have a legit reason to be present and start a fight.
What I will not tolerate is "we wanted to see who had most skills" and similar reasons.
It does not matter if both parties agree. If you don't have a proper role-play reason to attack it is deathmatch. If you want to attack eachother without a proper role-play reason I suggest you to play at Paruni.
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We can repeat our point of view forever.
Bottom line: if you wish to hold pointless shootouts, go to another server or risk to be punished.
As you know now, take your punishment like a man not like a littke girl.