Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Sawyer on July 18, 2012, 02:00:50 am
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Okay I clearly made this topic for all of the Argonath police officers, and I would like to have a respond.
It happens most of the times to me, and probably to most of the suspects being chased. That is my point, actually, I'm being chased most of the time and when my car explodes or I just change my mind and stop the vehicle to surrender, I get shot to death. I /gu in a RP way by using the /hail command. I don't have a problem with the new cops, as they are new on the job and I understand. But high ranked officers should not just shoot standing suspects. I don't know if that's a rule actually.. I don't know if they have to kill you after you are being chased for a long time. I do not talk bullshit, and I don't want to troll around, but that fact is true and it happened to be several times. If some of you had that death aswell, please speak it out here.
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Lead by example. Do what you want other officers to do, and people will follow in your stead.
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I don't get what you mean, please re-type that.
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SAPD officers can not kill a suspect on foot and unarmed.
If you were killed by an SAPD-Officer as in the above described situation, report him on www.arpd.argonathrpg.com (http://www.arpd.argonathrpg.com)
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Unfortunately, I never took a ss.
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Unfortunately, I never took a ss.
Then make sure to do so next time.
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Half of the officers don't even have a forum account i guess, (The arpd ones) So, yeah i guess they just need to learn,
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Tell them what they are doing wrong in PM or try and call an admin. If you take a screenshot you can re-direct him to the ARPD forum if you wish to report him..
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If you have full health and get out of your car in normal time, they should not kill you.
But if you have 10hp and do /hail, do not even think about complaining.
The difference between /gu and /hail is simply that with /gu you CAN not be shot to death.
For you there is NO difference as after giving in in what ever way you are not allowed to run or attack.
So you might start thinking about in which case to use it.
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So what's the point when you /hail 2 to be shot even with a bullet as you cannot run or attack?
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So what's the point when you /hail 2 to be shot even with a bullet as you cannot run or attack?
Since this isn't a cops and robbers server, many commands are meant to be used in roleplay situations not between the cops and the criminals. When a suspect is trying to surrender, he should do /gu instead of /hail, but when a civilian is being robbed and wants to show that he is not a threat, he types in one of the /hail commands.
Don't complain when you get shot because you could've easily saved your skin with a much shorter /gu.
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Oliver has a point, why do /hail 1 instead of doing /gu? The cops will cuff you and then you can move and continue roleplaying as you wished.
By doing /hail 1, you allow the cops to harm you by shooting, and if they kill you, they don't lose a thing, in fact they earn money for killing a suspect.
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Use /gu to save your ass, and then proceed with Roleplay, as said above. /gu command doesnt disable you to RP.
/hail - yeah i have used it aswell many times, but only when im sure that whole situation will be roleplayed and officers will not use lethal force.. You can easly see this when you know the officers that are chasing you.
And aswell as said above, when SAPD kills you while still standing try to get ss... or get Fraps, and simply record situation.
/gu - you gona survive
/hail - on own responsibilty :)
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The best solution to your problem is defined by three words; lead by example.
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I get your point.
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I get your point.
LEAD BY EXAMPLE, LEAD BY EXAMPLE, LEAD BY FUCKIGN EXAMPLE, when the fuck is SAPD ever going to lead by example so that ARPD officers follow them?
All I see lately (when I'm rarely playing SAMP Argonath) is SAPD in black Buffalos drive bying every suspect they see, is that the example ARPD is supposed to see or am I mis-lead?
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LEAD BY EXAMPLE, LEAD BY EXAMPLE, LEAD BY f**kIGN EXAMPLE, when the f**k is SAPD ever going to lead by example so that ARPD officers follow them?
All I see lately (when I'm rarely playing SAMP Argonath) is SAPD in black Buffalos drive bying every suspect they see, is that the example ARPD is supposed to see or am I mis-lead?
JACKPOT!!!!!!!! :banana: :banana:
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LEAD BY EXAMPLE, LEAD BY EXAMPLE, LEAD BY f**kIGN EXAMPLE, when the f**k is SAPD ever going to lead by example so that ARPD officers follow them?
All I see lately (when I'm rarely playing SAMP Argonath) is SAPD in black Buffalos drive bying every suspect they see, is that the example ARPD is supposed to see or am I mis-lead?
Perhaps if you were actually in SAPD, you would know more about their infrastructure than black buffaloes and suspects.
A box filled with treasures is simply a box for someone who does not choose to open it.
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Give them a break, there are always new people trying to be police officers, in fact we are all human so nobody is perfect, take some time off the criminal activites, head on duty and try to learn them their mistakes! :) If people just keep on blaming SAPD/ARPD for the cops who missuse their rights, there'll be no change! If you want a change, start from your self, stop boasting for the issue and go help them, do something ;)
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Yeah i had that death..
Basically, i'm chasing a suspect he decides to surrender and he stops, /hail's doesn't move. He goes like "Okay Okay, i gu" while i'm typing /me reaches into his duty belt for his cuffs, the guy takes a deagle empties a clip on me, and kills me. After these kind of incidents, a /hail isn't enough on my eyes. Now, i warn a suspect multiply times and i spray him down, until he does /gu.
Let me tell you another situation..!
I'm chasing a suspect in Buffalo, he does /hail. I cuff him, and i start to drag him, then he gets back into the car flees away.
I'm a victim of allot of these situations of suspect's /hailing then lame killing me.If this would have happened to me, i would rush towards you with my pepper spray can, and spray you down until you GU, not leaving you a chance to take your weapon out. Maybe you're not like them..but there's a possibility.
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Yeah i had that death..
Basically, i'm chasing a suspect he decides to surrender and he stops, /hail's doesn't move. He goes like "Okay Okay, i gu" while i'm typing /me reaches into his duty belt for his cuffs, the guy takes a deagle empties a clip on me, and kills me. After these kind of incidents, a /hail isn't enough on my eyes. Now, i warn a suspect multiply times and i spray him down, until he does /gu.
Let me tell you another situation..!
I'm chasing a suspect in Buffalo, he does /hail. I cuff him, and i start to drag him, then he gets back into the car flees away.
I'm a victim of allot of these situations of suspect's /hailing then lame killing me.If this would have happened to me, i would rush towards you with my pepper spray can, and spray you down until you GU, not leaving you a chance to take your weapon out. Maybe you're not like them..but there's a possibility.
This, pretty much. In my eyes people aren't surrendered until they /gu (although by the rules they are), so I treat them as simply standing still suspects until they do.
I will not put down my gun until people /gu, and if they constantly refuse to comply then I will conclude they are a threat to my life and take necessary action.
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People always miss to see both sides so it always ends up either by moaning suspect who got killed after hail or moaning cop who got killed after hail either.
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This, pretty much. In my eyes people aren't surrendered until they /gu (although by the rules they are), so I treat them as simply standing still suspects until they do.
I will not put down my gun until people /gu, and if they constantly refuse to comply then I will conclude they are a threat to my life and take necessary action.
I would understand this reaction as we have had too many cases in the past where people "surrender" (and by this I mean no usage of /gu) only to kill the cops afterwards.
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Okay I clearly made this topic for all of the Argonath police officers, and I would like to have a respond.
It happens most of the times to me, and probably to most of the suspects being chased. That is my point, actually, I'm being chased most of the time and when my car explodes or I just change my mind and stop the vehicle to surrender, I get shot to death. I /gu in a RP way by using the /hail command. I don't have a problem with the new cops, as they are new on the job and I understand. But high ranked officers should not just shoot standing suspects. I don't know if that's a rule actually.. I don't know if they have to kill you after you are being chased for a long time. I do not talk bullshit, and I don't want to troll around, but that fact is true and it happened to be several times. If some of you had that death aswell, please speak it out here.
Now look at your mistakes in the current situation, I bet that 80 percent of the times you surrender, you have evaded to the point where you are almost dead and you don't want to lose your precious weapons ,so you automatically stop and do /hail 1, instead of /gu because you are such a big RPer, yet you probably killed shitload of officers before that and you got several police vehicles on yourself.
And what happens the moment you stop and do /hail 1 you are getting shot to dead, well obviously if you decide to give up on 10 HP left, then comes second thing the lag IG, while on your screen you are standing, for some if server lags you will be seen as running in straight direction.
Now if you want to evade such a situation, you should do 2 simple things:
- Don't wait till you are on 10 HP to give up.
- Do /gu, instead of /hail 1 for your own protection.
LEAD BY EXAMPLE, LEAD BY EXAMPLE, LEAD BY f**kIGN EXAMPLE, when the f**k is SAPD ever going to lead by example so that ARPD officers follow them?
All I see lately (when I'm rarely playing SAMP Argonath) is SAPD in black Buffalos drive bying every suspect they see, is that the example ARPD is supposed to see or am I mis-lead?
Once you attempt to become this example, then you will be allowed to criticize the rest.
You are seeing cops driving black buffalos and DBing everything they see ? - Then for once stop moaning, get evidence and report them if they are breaching SAPD rules. Until then your "great" point of view remains nothing but a moaning post.
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I agree that in most cop chases when the suspect stops his/her car and is idle inside or out of the car the officers behind him would get out and shoot his/her car or himself to living hell.
Thats why we call this a "Felony Stop." Felony Stop doesn't mean stop your car once the suspect stops his get out of the car before the suspect can and shoot the living hell out of his car so he dies, NO!! It means set a rear perimeter behind the suspects car and instruct him to get out and give up. There is a series of steps though to do this the right way.
Im sure if ARPD officers became more familer with this normal officers operation there will be less killing on idle suspects :cop:.
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Or........ even adding a NEW command to ether both SAPD and ARPD officers or just SAPD officers. A /ta command or something like that where the officer can be armed with a RP Tazzer and when he/she types /ta or selects the weapon and shoots it at a suspect the suspect will automatically get tazzed, and will automatically switch to the /ill command for a brief moment.
I'm up to heir peoples opinions on this especially SAPD command and or SA:MP scripters :?:
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Or........ even adding a NEW command to ether both SAPD and ARPD officers or just SAPD officers. A /ta command or something like that where the officer can be armed with a RP Tazzer and when he/she types /ta or selects the weapon and shoots it at a suspect the suspect will automatically get tazzed, and will automatically switch to the /ill command for a brief moment.
I'm up to heir peoples opinions on this especially SAPD command and or SA:MP scripters :?:
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Suggested already, denied already and pointless to retry suggesting it.
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I agree that in most cop chases when the suspect stops his/her car and is idle inside or out of the car the officers behind him would get out and shoot his/her car or himself to living hell.
Thats why we call this a "Felony Stop." Felony Stop doesn't mean stop your car once the suspect stops his get out of the car before the suspect can and shoot the living hell out of his car so he dies, NO!! It means set a rear perimeter behind the suspects car and instruct him to get out and give up. There is a series of steps though to do this the right way.
Im sure if ARPD officers became more familer with this normal officers operation there will be less killing on idle suspects :cop:.
Then I hope you will daily take ARPD officers on patrol to teach them this habit.
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Then I hope you will daily take ARPD officers on patrol to teach them this habit.
Shouldn't it be SAPD's job to do that? Other than like I said, driving round in black buffalos with their dark blue names thinking they are something off the Matrix movies..
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Then I hope you will daily take ARPD officers on patrol to teach them this habit.
Defiantly will.......
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Shouldn't it be SAPD's job to do that? Other than like I said, driving round in black buffalos with their dark blue names thinking they are something off the Matrix movies..
Shoving any responsibility away by telling its not your job is something that is wrong in this society, and I do not just mean ArgonathRPG.
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Shouldn't it be SAPD's job to do that? Other than like I said, driving round in black buffalos with their dark blue names thinking they are something off the Matrix movies..
Didn't you said "Lead by example" in your last reply ? Oh but at the end you are again waiting for someone else.
I still don't see any evidence or report about these "officers driving around in black buffalo shooting everything they see" yet, so I will continue counting your posts as useless moaning.
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Didn't you said "Lead by example" in your last reply ? Oh but at the end you are again waiting for someone else.
I still don't see any evidence or report about these "officers driving around in black buffalo shooting everything they see" yet, so I will continue counting your posts as useless moaning.
I rarely go on duty, so I can't lead ARPD officers, I'll start recording some of these reckelss SAPD officers for you shall I? Will be easy... Just keep the camera on and you'll catch one everytime you see an SAPD officer. ;)
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I rarely go on duty, so I can't lead ARPD officers, I'll start recording some of these reckelss SAPD officers for you shall I? Will be easy... Just keep the camera on and you'll catch one everytime you see an SAPD officer. ;)
Cophunting is not allowed ;). Going after every 'SAPD Officer' to find minor mistakes and points to report them is not something you'd like being done to you either I believe
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Cophunting is not allowed ;). Going after every 'SAPD Officer' to find minor mistakes and points to report them is not something you'd like being done to you either I believe
I don't mean that, I just mean all I see is SAPD in buffalos drive bying people then giving very little to no RP when they pull over and surrender.
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I don't mean that, I just mean all I see is SAPD in buffalos drive bying people then giving very little to no RP when they pull over and surrender.
Maybe because most of the people who we go after never RP? Just /hail, then suddently /me reloads his deagle, and boom, we go down.. give us the chance to role-play and you'll see the difference :).
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Maybe because most of the people who we go after never RP? Just /hail, then suddently /me reloads his deagle, and boom, we go down.. give us the chance to role-play and you'll see the difference :).
That could be the case, whenever I'm on SAMP Argonath roleplaying I'll try and use /hail instead of /gu, I hate the way /gu freezes you anyway. :razz:
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I don't mean that, I just mean all I see is SAPD in buffalos drive bying people then giving very little to no RP when they pull over and surrender.
Stop getting wanted?
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Stop getting wanted?
Not specificly me, when I break the law I do it on duty - I roleplay a corrupt officer called Mikal McCorrupt. :cop:
Just had Jcs chasing me round as I smoked weed and beat other officers, however it's mainly LSPD I see in black buffalos though, IMO if SAPD has a monthly paycheck of say, 30k each person they would roleplay more, I know theres alot of good cops who RP in SAPD, but theres also alot of money hungry ones that will only show their roleplay side infront of command staff.
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I see no point killing a standing suspect, then you waste all of your time chasing him.
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Not specificly me, when I break the law I do it on duty - I roleplay a corrupt officer called Mikal McCorrupt. :cop:
Just had Jcs chasing me round as I smoked weed and beat other officers, however it's mainly LSPD I see in black buffalos though, IMO if SAPD has a monthly paycheck of say, 30k each person they would roleplay more, I know theres alot of good cops who RP in SAPD, but theres also alot of money hungry ones that will only show their roleplay side infront of command staff.
What would they use the money on?
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What would they use the money on?
Houses, cars, tunings for their cars, weapons on duty, events such as DD's or roleplay related events with a prize, thats what most people do when they get rich, thats what I did when I was rich.. :lol:
Don't the FBI get payed monthly? <-- Random question, I heard they do quite a while back.
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I don't mean that, I just mean all I see is SAPD in buffalos drive bying people then giving very little to no RP when they pull over and surrender.
Happens when you stop the car and get instantly killed with a combat shotgun, eh. Even in those situations, roleplay is attempted, so please do not talk as if all people with a blue name can't roleplay.
If it's a new player, you can't expect him to be instantly the best with our commands, help him along instead of complaining what he does wrong.
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Don't the FBI get payed monthly? <-- Random question, I heard they do quite a while back.
If you search hard enough on our forums, you'll get an answer. ;)
About the topic itself... I think Oliver summed it up quite well...
Don't complain when you get shot because you could've easily saved your skin with a much shorter /gu.
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Pretty much you have no choice when you become a suspect. Don't wanna give up? You'll be pushed around with firstly pepper spray / batons. Continue to run and attempt to evade? You'll be shot in the head, that is if you wish to be a pain in the ass for the cops.
Wish to give up without any nonsense and hassles? /gu straight away. Don't bring up /hail 2 as a excuse and then run away.. /gu is your command.
SAPD do not get paid unless they complete assignments after a long period or get awards / promotions which grants them a small gift of money.
driving round in black buffalos with their dark blue names thinking they are something off the Matrix movies..
Like Gandalf said, do not become a criminal, then moan afterwards about the "buffalos" and unfairness.
I agree that in most cop chases when the suspect stops his/her car and is idle inside or out of the car the officers behind him would get out and shoot his/her car or himself to living hell.
Thats why we call this a "Felony Stop." Felony Stop doesn't mean stop your car once the suspect stops his get out of the car before the suspect can and shoot the living hell out of his car so he dies, NO!! It means set a rear perimeter behind the suspects car and instruct him to get out and give up. There is a series of steps though to do this the right way.
Im sure if ARPD officers became more familer with this normal officers operation there will be less killing on idle suspects :cop:.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hAZpQKUy0v0/0.jpg)
Or........ even adding a NEW command to ether both SAPD and ARPD officers or just SAPD officers. A /ta command or something like that where the officer can be armed with a RP Tazzer and when he/she types /ta or selects the weapon and shoots it at a suspect the suspect will automatically get tazzed, and will automatically switch to the /ill command for a brief moment.
I'm up to heir peoples opinions on this especially SAPD command and or SA:MP scripters :?:
Like i said in the ARPD forum, the idea won't be accepted.. that has been said many times.
We do not need such commands in order to support our own in the law side. Use your pepper spray.
when the f**k is SAPD ever going to lead by example so that ARPD officers follow them
Perhaps get the facts straight before complaining. Because it is said in the regulations that you respect everyone as much as you respect your superior. You know where to report a FBI Agent or SAPD Officer if they fail to do so. That does not mean that only officers do so.. but overall the regulars in the server have the duty to guide the ARPD Officers as-well..
Accusing a whole organization is just a assumption without evidence or sources.
Simple as it can get.
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Perhaps get the facts straight before complaining. Because it is said in the regulations that you respect everyone as much as you respect your superior. You know where to report a FBI Agent or SAPD Officer if they fail to do so. That does not mean that only officers do so.. but overall the regulars in the server have the duty to guide the ARPD Officers as-well..
Accusing a whole organization is just a assumption without evidence or sources.
Simple as it can get.
Sure, regular ARPD officers can guide new officers aswell as SAPD can, or could... But most regulars officers are SAPD so it doesn't make a difference, in my eyes it's SAPDs duty to take on patrols with new players so that the new player can understand how they work and what they do, I saw Jcstodds taking 2 ARPD officers on a patrol yesterday, sure they were probibly drunken cowboys by the end of their patrol but he still offers to take people on patrol, thats how it should be done.
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Sure, regular ARPD officers can guide new officers aswell as SAPD can, or could... But most regulars officers are SAPD so it doesn't make a difference, in my eyes it's SAPDs duty to take on patrols with new players so that the new player can understand how they work and what they do, I saw Jcstodds taking 2 ARPD officers on a patrol yesterday, sure they were probibly drunken cowboys by the end of their patrol but he still offers to take people on patrol, thats how it should be done.
Your opinion < facts.
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Sure, regular ARPD officers can guide new officers aswell as SAPD can, or could... But most regulars officers are SAPD so it doesn't make a difference, in my eyes it's SAPDs duty to take on patrols with new players so that the new player can understand how they work and what they do, I saw Jcstodds taking 2 ARPD officers on a patrol yesterday, sure they were probibly drunken cowboys by the end of their patrol but he still offers to take people on patrol, thats how it should be done.
Who says we don't do it? If you look at a car with a S.A.P.D member you will see many times an A.R.P.D member there. I do it myself. So don't go that way.
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SAPD officers can not kill a suspect on foot and unarmed.
You trolling us right?
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You trolling us right?
I think he forgot to add that part where they can, if the suspect is assaulting them.
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The officers can take down, a suspect that refuses to comply and still, but are only allowed, if the guy is unarmed, to use non lethal force weapons such as Nitestick and Pepper Spray.
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The officers can take down, a suspect that refuses to comply and still, but are only allowed, if the guy is unarmed, to use non lethal force weapons such as Nitestick and Pepper Spray.
Then why when suspects run unarmed do they all start shooting? :trust:
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Then why when suspects run unarmed do they all start shooting? :trust:
Money :money: :money: :money: :money:
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Then why when suspects run unarmed do they all start shooting? :trust:
[1.1]. Procedures of Engagement with Force:
-Suspect is running -- Use warnings to order to stop, if they do not heed, you may open fire (Standard Duty weapons only - Deagle)
-Suspect is idle -- You must use ONLY pepper spray or baton, if they fail to comprehend after warnings, and you cannot apprehend, you may use baton or pepper spray to take down. (If suspect is armed with fire-arm while idle, you still must only use pepper spray or baton, it is advised you have another Officer to cover you with a gun).
-Suspect is unarmed and assaulting -- You must use ONLY pepper spray or baton to defend yourself against the assault, if he continues, you may neutralize but with pepper or baton only.
-Suspect is armed with fire-arm and shooting -- You may open fire immediately (Any weapon can be used in self-defense.)
-Suspect is airborne/waterborne or swimming -- You may open fire after warning (Any weapon can be used in to stop the suspect from evading.)
-Suspect is escaping in a vehicle and your on foot -- Try neutralize their vehicle (Any weapon can be used to neutralize the vehicle.)
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[1.1]. Procedures of Engagement with Force:
-Suspect is running -- Use warnings to order to stop, if they do not heed, you may throw cheese at them. (Standard duty cheese only - Cheddar)
Fixed it.
*Pulls an off topic*