Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:VC => VC:MP General => VC:MP - Vice City Multiplayer => VC:MP Ideas => Topic started by: stormeus on July 24, 2012, 03:27:07 am
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Because of its incredibly-easy-to-access nature, /c bribe has led to some implausible, frustrating, and (in a select few cases) uncreative escapes from police. As a VCPD Officer and FBI Agent, my views would be slightly skewed to favor the police, but allow me to present a solution that I believe is fair to replace /c bribe.
I can't understand how an officer who doesn't even have the ability to uncrime a player or perform an investigation would be able to somehow completely erase someone's criminal record, no matter how high it may be, so the first part of the idea is to allow some police personnel to uncrime a player. The scripts already make provisions for the VCPD Chief and Deputy Chief to uncrime people, though coincidentally, both of them are admins anyway. I thought of expanding it to:
- FBI Command Staff (Station Commander+)
- VCPD Senior Staff (Sergeant+)
Which could be used in two ways: uncriming players after completing an investigation, or uncriming players after taking a bribe, but I know what you're thinking:
"How are you supposed to bribe a VCPD member? They're all zomg hardcores into the PD role."
It is actually incredibly simple, provided you can be creative enough. After considering the idea for 10 minutes, I realized that probably one of the simplest ways of getting away with a bribe would be to be "investigated" by a non-VCPD member and then have them say that after an investigation, you were "not" guilty. Now that the idea's out in the open just watch as the VCPD looks out for this. THINK HARDER.
Because of that, the second part of the idea is to remove /c bribe, since 80% of the time I see it used, it's on a random ARPD officer looking for money all the time, or even just some random deathmatching cop, with the bare minimum bribe of $2,000, with no warning or roleplay effort whatsoever.
As for thinking that /c uncrime MUST STRICTLY be an admin command, it shouldn't. What could possibly go wrong with uncriming a player? It's not something like a copban where you would be banned for a year because you took a bribe. It could only be used for clearing investigations, taking bribes, and releasing false suspects. If an officer is being a douche about it, you could just report them to the VCPD, or an admin if it's that bad.
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I still think bribe shouldn't be removed, but changed..
Say, a cop accepts bribe near Senior officer. The senior officer would see a message "Something happeneded between [DC]Nylez and [EAF]Kessu" and then the all so mysterious "[EAF]Kessu is no longer wanted". minimum bribe is $1000 btw
I don't really know, I just woke up so I'll edit once I get home.
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I see your arguments and I don't know about anyone else, but I like /c bribe so I vote to keep it.
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This would erase "Bad Cops" from the server... Add /c uncrime, but also keep /c bribe
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You can't remove /c bribe because the Bad Cops of the server still must get their chance to roleplay with a criminal.
On top of that, I agree with Kessu.
If you want to stop the random bribing, you should add a message like: CRIMINAL sent a bribe offer to COP.
So when a bribe is accepted, the leader of VCPD or FBI can think of what to do with it.
You could punish the COP who accepted the bribe with a temporary suspension or maybe a penalty.
Removing things you dislike doesn't solve it anyway, criminals will think of new ways to evade.
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Nowadays:
** Most wanted criminal on streets with 300/500 wanted level / heat
** Shadow goes to catch
** Some new cop takes him to VCPD
** Criminal /c sur
** Criminal /c bribe newcop 6000
** Cop accept and free him in front of Shadow's eyes
** Shadow can just look or report to upper staff.
I agree with stormeus but maybe make uncrime accessible to lower ranks too.
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I agree with stormeus (http://www.threeinabox.com/wp/wp-content/gallery/willms/Russ%20Willms%20MoneyEater-NewPort.jpg)
Of course you do.
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What if /c bribe gave notification to all in said radius (say same as /c l) and then FBI and senior officer+ of ARPD could "re-sus" the criminal so he regains same wanted/heat level and the cop who accepted bribe _could_ be suspected for aiding criminal activity/corruption (again, only by Senior officer+)
Everyone would still be able to accept a bribe, but you'd need to create a situation where other cops don't see the bribe (no more bigass warning text of "no longer wanted") unless bribed infront of 69 officers with donuts but maybe normal "evade" text.
Only if this is possible, of course :conf:
That would remove the purpose of bribe.
Also, radius's cannot be trusted too much. Especially in cases of interiors or walls separating players.
We can also fix this situation by allowing Higher ranks to remove a player from police duty.
It can be an addition to copban.
Once the duty is removed, the player can be suspected with treason.
That would be done only if the senior rank knows and has proof on who accepted the bribe.
Though they will have to figure it out on their own, script should not disclose names of the officer involved in corruption. :D
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And yet I still do not want to see /c bribe gone.
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Bohdi says no to this
face the truth theres no bribing any cops currently in VCPD since they prefer to die and try get 60k for killing you and not 6k for a bribe
but the worst thing is that they wont accept a bribe due to how easily they can lose their job (someone takes ur bribe u just report him and he gets demoted lol)
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Bohdi says no to this
face the truth theres no bribing any cops currently in VCPD since they prefer to die and try get 60k for killing you and not 6k for a bribe
but the worst thing is that they wont accept a bribe due to how easily they can lose their job (someone takes ur bribe u just report him and he gets demoted lol)
aside from axxo
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I think /c uncrime could be very useful and you'd have more than one way of getting cleared if you were false suspected.
/c bribe, if in large favour, would need re-working so that you can't walk through police walls simply due to a command.
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I think /c uncrime could be very useful and you'd have more than one way of getting cleared if you were false suspected.
/c bribe, if in large favour, would need re-working so that you can't walk through police walls simply due to a command.
Nothing more to say.
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I see your arguments and I don't know about anyone else, but I like /c bribe so I vote to keep it.
add /c uncrime for senior officers that's all
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Let players role play a bribe to their investigating officer, which would later just request on a radio to unsuspect him. It is the officer's choice to accept money and accept the risk of getting copbanned for corruption.
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Supported. (what? I'm not in SA:MP ideas)
Currently, there is no roleplay in bribes, because :bohdi:
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because :bohdi:
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Supported. (what? I'm not in SA:MP ideas)
Currently, there is no roleplay in bribes, because :bohdi:
Actually there is very much a role play from a criminal prospective, we as criminals call officers and then set up a time and place. and more local chat when met
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Actually there is very much a role play from a criminal prospective, we as criminals call officers and then set up a time and place. and more local chat when met
Criminal tells civilian to go cop
> Civilian spawns as cop
> they met somewhere and the civilian does /c bribe cop 1000
> later criminal surrenders
> Is taken to VCPD by 3 FBI Staff
> Is taken to questioning
> Criminal is not wanted anymore.
> ??
> Win
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> they met somewhere and the civilian does /c bribe cop 1000
> later criminal surrenders
????????????????
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Criminal tells civilian to go cop
> Civilian spawns as cop
> they met somewhere and the civilian does /c bribe cop 1000
> later criminal surrenders
> Is taken to VCPD by 3 FBI Staff
> Is taken to questioning
> Criminal is not wanted anymore.
> ??
> Win
Based on true occurrences.
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I get the feeling this topic isn't about removing /c bribe, but an opportunity for the VCPD to moan about criminals abusing /c bribe.
Every time there was a bribe, there was a roleplay before it.
Let's take me and kessu for example, because that's why Shadow's butthurt.
When Kessu and I did a bribe roleplay, it was well organised and not just done random.
Stop the :flame: and name real reasons why /c bribe should be removed.
It was used in a roleplay, exactly like it should be.
Thank you very much,
[DC]Nylez
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Every time there was a bribe, there was a roleplay before it.
Anyone who believes in this wholeheartedly is being too idealistic or naive.
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Anyone who believes cops would rather have a nice roleplay and earn no money than kill a suspect and earn money is
being too idealistic or naive.
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I know that Nylez has played on the server a lot more than JDC has and has been involved in a lot more roleplay to do with bribes. I myself couldn't count how many times I've roleplayed bribes since I've been doing it since 2008.
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Just because you roleplay bribes, that does not mean everyone else does.
You might as well say every single criminal on the server abides by the rules, without a single incident of deathmatching/flaming/rulebreak, simply because one [EAF] member does.
:ps: I never claimed that every single cop prefers roleplay over money.
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Cops are not saints either
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I think this is just turning into an arguement (again).
I get the feeling this topic isn't about removing /c bribe, but an opportunity for the VCPD to moan about criminals abusing /c bribe.
Every time there was a bribe, there was a roleplay before it.
Let's take me and kessu for example, because that's why Shadow's butthurt.
When Kessu and I did a bribe roleplay, it was well organised and not just done random.
Stop the :flame: and name real reasons why /c bribe should be removed.
It was used in a roleplay, exactly like it should be.
Thank you very much,
[DC]Nylez
Not quite, I don't see how this is "VCPD doing this" or "VCPD doing that".
And of course, if someone is abusing an aspect of the server I don't see what's wrong with other people trying to sort it out.
Both roles in question here - police and criminal - have the good and the bad.
Like already said, if we judge someone simply because they are part of a group or prefer one role over the other, we're not going to get very far.
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Anyone who believes in this wholeheartedly is being too idealistic or naive.
No offense but this is a Naive post also
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I already stated my opinion, I'd support this but it gives ARPD less power/rights as officers, and the biggest problem is that VCPD officers can be reported in no-RP way (>press F8 >'WELL YOU KNOW IN REALITY I COULD HAVE USED A RECORDER OR SOME SHIT) so nobody will have enough balls to take any bribes. Though it's nice the cop reward is capped at 9,000$ now, so bribing someone for 9,000$ is logical (before, the cop would get like 30,000$ for killing you so why he'd take a 9,000$ bribe)
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No offense but this is a Naive post also
So you are implying that every single instance of /c bribe that has taken place in the server has been roleplayed properly?
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So you are implying that every single instance of /c bribe that has taken place in the server has been roleplayed properly?
No, of course you can not roleplay EVERYTHING properly, but this topic was created because Shadow moaned about me and kessu abusing the bribe possibility.
But THAT moan was invalid, because the bribe was roleplayed properly.
Here we are, discussing something because one cop didn't get the :money: :money: he wanted.
What I don't understand is why you are so active on forums of VC:MP with stuff you don't like,
when you're barely in the server.
You only talk on VCPD's side, based on what you heard from some of the members of it.
You only follow rumours, you never were there when it actually happened.
How can you even discuss here, you don't know ANYTHING.
Back to topic: /c bribe just must stay, because it has good roleplay possibilities.
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No, of course you can not roleplay EVERYTHING properly, but this topic was created because Shadow moaned about me and kessu abusing the bribe possibility.
But THAT moan was invalid, because the bribe was roleplayed properly.
Here we are, discussing something because one cop didn't get the :money: :money: he wanted.
I am not here to glorify or demonize any single bribing incident. What I stated is the fact that /c bribe is very prone to abuse, and that not all instances of it are roleplayed.
What I don't understand is why you are so active on forums of VC:MP with stuff you don't like,
when you're barely in the server.
You only talk on VCPD's side, based on what you heard from some of the members of it.
You only follow rumours, you never were there when it actually happened.
How can you even discuss here, you don't know ANYTHING.
I do not see the need to explain all my information-gathering methods (including those you don't know about) to someone who makes conclusions based on impressions.
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I am not here to glorify or demonize any single bribing incident. What I stated is the fact that /c bribe is very prone to abuse, and that not all instances of it are roleplayed.
Explain to me why suddenly now /c bribe must be removed, I don't remember it being abused lately. So I don't understand why you even want to remove /c bribe.
I do not see the need to explain all my information-gathering methods (including those you don't know about) to someone who makes conclusions based on impressions.
You call people naïve and idealistic based on their opinions and personal experiences as well, so I don't think you can blame nor despise me for making conclusions based on impressions. On top of that, I think it is relevant in this case to name your information-gathering methods as you call them. Because you are never in-game, and still you seem to know everything. I still find it bullshit (sorry about that, just fits best) that you, a bureaucrat who never experiences the actual life in Vice City Argonath can discuss on this topic, because of those "sources" you have.
ON: I would understand VCPD that they want /c bribe gone, if there were continuously things happening where criminals abuse the bribe possibility. 9 out of 10 times when a wanted criminal is being chased etcetera it ends up in a shooting contest where the best shooter wins. I'm sure VCPD is sick of dying as well, so why remove something which could make a criminal scene end different for once, and (especially) peaceful?
The variation that /c bribe brings is just perfect for Argonath, so I suggest that if there isn't anyone else who wants to say something about it, this topic can be closed.
It'll end up in a discussion and in 2 years this topic still will be open, and nothing has changed, so I don't see the point of it.
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Explain to me why suddenly now /c bribe must be removed, I don't remember it being abused lately. So I don't understand why you even want to remove /c bribe.
It's simple, VCPD are not happy when criminals would rather roleplay bribing a freecop than roleplay surrendering to them. They see it as a lack of roleplay probably because the roleplay doesn't include them. They claim that using the command is abuse because they don't get any reward for their hard work :(
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Reworking the command to work only on ARPD members (read; those who have been accepted in ARPD) is just out of the question. No one else of the ARPD other than aXXo even thinks of accepting bribes :(
If you want the command to be removed / reworked, present a well backed up post with FACTS, not opinions or one-time cases that happens once every 1 year, if even that often.
HOW can the command be abused?
WHAT are the result of usage of the command?
WHAT can be done to improve the command?
No any "I NO LIEK COMMAND IT CUN BE UBUSED" shit... Start providing real posts instead of useless arguments...
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It is easily abused in the same way as /confess was on SA:MP, which is why it was removed. Rogue cops/"cops" such as Bohdi are a good example of the occasional abuse as well.
Any two criminals can simply make pre-arrangements and claim it was "roleplay". After all, helping friends is easy.
:bohdi:
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It is easily abused in the same way as /confess was on SA:MP, which is why it was removed.
Any two criminals can simply make pre-arrangements and claim it was "roleplay".
Usually those "pre-arrangements" are roleplay. Any more "facts" you'd like to point out?
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Usually those "pre-arrangements" are roleplay. Any more "facts" you'd like to point out?
It's kind of hard to find facts that would seem valid to the administration, when the body itself is mostly composed of criminals who support /c bribe staying.
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It's kind of hard to find facts that would seem valid to the administration, when the body itself is mostly composed of criminals who support /c bribe staying.
My most played role in Argonath VCMP server happens to be cop. Do you need any other assumption be pointed out as false?
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My most played role in Argonath VCMP server happens to be cop. Do you need any other assumption be pointed out as false?
A cop who is a member of the leading and most influential criminal group.
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A cop who is a member of the leading and most influential criminal group.
I played cop with this very same bribe command for almost three years. You've played with the bribe command for what? 1 week at most? Guess which knows more about usage of the command. I've seen it used every possible way, NEVER did I think it as "abusing the command". Why? I do not play this server for $$$ :money: :money: :money:
I play this server to have fun, play WHATEVER I wish whenever I want. I do not NEED any money to play and have fun. IF you play to find "flaws" in the scripts, abusable commands, then we would NOT have ANY other command other than that of /me and a few animations. Even ADMIN COMMANDS can be abused, would you remove them too? RCON can be abused, would you remove the server because a part of it is abusable? Your logic is flawed...
The command is FINE, it has always been.. Until someone came and moaned because the roleplay did not go as they wanted...
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You are the one inserting flaws into your own logic by the use of exaggerations.
Also, if the bribe in the scenario below is valid and full of roleplay, please explain to me how.
- FBI chases a suspect -
- Suspect surrenders to FBI and becomes Surrendered Suspect -
- Surrendered Suspect is cuffed by the FBI -
** Bohdi has joined the server.
- Suspect goes inside the FBI car, FBI takes him to VCPD HQ -
Bohdi (X): hihi
Surrendered suspect is mysteriously no longer wanted
- Surrendered Suspect exits the FBI vehicle and runs -
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You are the one inserting flaws into your own logic by the use of exaggerations.
Also, if the bribe in the scenario below is valid and full of roleplay, please explain to me how.
If you want the command to be removed / reworked, present a well backed up post with FACTS, not opinions or one-time cases that happens once every 1 year, if even that often.
Ignorance, my friend, ignorance..
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You accuse others of failing to back up their claims yet you have failed to give a simple explanation as to how you can back up yours in a certain case. Please answer the question.
if the bribe in the scenario below is valid and full of roleplay, please explain to me how.
- FBI chases a suspect -
- Suspect surrenders to FBI and becomes Surrendered Suspect -
- Surrendered Suspect is cuffed by the FBI -
** Bohdi has joined the server.
- Suspect goes inside the FBI car, FBI takes him to VCPD HQ -
Bohdi (X): hihi
Surrendered suspect is mysteriously no longer wanted
- Surrendered Suspect exits the FBI vehicle and runs -
:ps: The Bodhi scenario above was an actual occurrence.
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I never implied it is full of roleplay, nor did I ever imply that the command cannot be abused.
And if you're so eager to rework the script, you must have an idea of how-to? And do not say start to talk crap again, bring up valid points and positive solutions, instead of just removing it.
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"crap" as you have defined it in this topic is only your own interpretation as you are in favor of the command staying, and is therefore biased. If your experience is the basis for defining "crap" rather than official HQ interpretation, then I would not be in the wrong to say all of your posts are crap as well.
If you think that there is no way to get out of a suspection other than escape/jail/death, then you are thinking too much in a box. Some criminals should focus more on roleplaying with instead of antagonizing cops.
For instance, Grzesiek (who I am not affiliated with, nor spoken with in a long time) roleplayed his way out of being pulled over by a cop, through a game of dice.
Let's be practical about the reason you want /c bribe to stay; you want to be able to have a friend who can go on cop duty and get you out of trouble in an instant. We ban people on SA:MP for such actions. (if you will say that that is crap, then you are pointing the gun at yourself, as we acted on administration directives and rules)
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I do not need my friends to go on cop duty to get me out of the "trouble".
First of all I would like to point out, that this is not SAMP. The server is NOT the same, nor are the scripts. Rules are, yes, I agree. I have roleplayed my ways out of the wanted list with many ways, some I do not even remember...
In fact, I am trying to "fight" for a command that gives you yet another way of escaping cops, with NO administrative help. (/c uncrime). The bribe is the ONLY way to get yourself out of wanted list with no admin commands used, if you do not want to die, get jailed or drive for hours (with high wanted level).
In your first sentence, you say my view is biased because I want the command to stay. Can I not say the same of you because you want it to be removed? Your tunnel-vision is giving me a headache, it's useless to argue with you... Let's wait for someone else to give out their opinions (most preferably those who play VCMP.......)
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/c bribe will stay, as I've yet to find a plausible reason to remove it.
If you 'think' someone has abused it, take screenshots and send a report.
Thank you.