They lock themselves out from the world
and NOW they want help?
they had aid and they blew it.
They shield themselves from Uncle Sam's influence, but Uncle Sam can not stand it.They're completely locking themselves out from the world with their strongly isolationist policy. What has it brought them? Look at how much better South Korea is than the absolute disaster than North Korea is.
They shield themselves from Uncle Sam's influence, but Uncle Sam can not stand it. Same thing was with Qing China in the 19th century - they were minding their own business, but John Bull would not stand a country ignoring him.
What's your point? Any minor country would request international aid for such a situation. Not everyone can go through floods like it was just a small scratch.
a man worse and more evil than Hitler
Look at how much better South Korea is than the absolute disaster than North Korea is.
Truth be told Jay, you're just as paranoid about Capitalism trying to f**k everyone, as americans we're about communists everywhere, and because of that, Brazil went into a military government, causing the death of hundreds of people.
Hello there... neo nazi?
What means to be ''good'' for you? Be a vassal of USA? Because if that's the criteria then yes South Korea meets it far far more than North Korea.
And why do you define as more ''worse and evil than Hitler'' the man who commanded the only non-island in Europe which was not overrun by Nazis?
Not to sanctify non-capitalist systems, but capitalism does f**k a lot of people over. Concept of capitalism is profit, and profit can only exist if you are making it at someone else's expense.
Interesting. They lock themselves out from the world refusing aid to help feed their citizens, yet floods cause some extensive damage and NOW they want help?Different leader, differing views, I guess.
Different leader, differing views, I guess.
They ''blew'' it because the ''generous'' aid givers wanted North Korea to strip itself of its defense (so that later the order in there could be completely disrupted).
Hello there... neo nazi?Hello there neo soviet?
And why do you define as more ''worse and evil than Hitler'' the man who commanded the only non-island in Europe which was not overrun by Nazis?Just the same as Britain used the channel, the USSR used its size to its advantage. The actual arming of the forces was shocking, with people being sent out without even a gun and being shot if they retreated. If it hadn't been an insanely large area to cover (the farmland of which was destroyed in retreat) then it would've been exactly the same as anywhere else.
Make France and Britain beef with each other. Make them threat each other. Then make USA meet the both of them and tell them to shut the f**k up. Then reconsider it.
Shitty working life? Yes working is really shitty indeed, it would be much better if you could sit on your frontyard whole day and eat pudding.
No access to free speech? Yes, let's instead make the media free and later accuse it of manipulating everything to their interest.
No access to internet, TV? Yes, let's make it widespread and then watch whole day people telling you that sitting on the computers is not healthy.
Just show the finger to US? More than that - but I guess the milestones of non-capitalist countries (healthcare and education) are too complex to be understood and considered.
you got told jayAnd your provoking comment makes you any better how?
just saying
Attacking each other is not necessary to discuss like human beings. If you wish to keep this topic open, I suggest you guys stop pointing fingers and throwing stupid names around.
but it's using old soviet era cars, and technology.
and if you hate internet and tv and free speech so much, you can go and hide in a little shack in the middle of Amazonia.
in the end Jay, you're a f**king hipocrit, you hate on the so called "capitalism creations" yet you use em in your daily life, and I doubt you could live without em.
People attack North Korea because their citizens do not go to McDonalds four times a week and stuff their mouth with chemical-filled food, but they don't admit when they watch their TV and see all medical advice on eating healthy food.
People attack North Korea because their citizens do not have widespread access to Internet and computers, yet when they turn their TVs on or go to doctor they are told that using PCs too much is unhealthy, and they deny this habit.
People attack North Korea because their citizens work more, don't have cars, don't have bikes, don't have this and that. And they deny when they are told that they should be using cars less and be less sedentary.
I have to say, that's one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen.
Yeah truth is stupid isn't it? After all the stories out there are much more popular.
Your arguments clearly indicate you do not understand why North Korea is criticized at all
Yes, North Korea is no victim. But what is wanted from North Korea is more than having them say thank you to South Korea, stop provoking or allow families to meet...
And as for point 3, we can not consider this a ''war'' situation as the armistice is still up despite the threats. They want North Korea to disarm itself even if no wars break out. North Korea is a laughing sack, their technology is old, they are endlessly weaker than South Korea, yet their threats make an incredible amount of noise...
Yes but if their threats are causing so much worry, then they must have something really intimidating. So how can they be a laughing sack with backward techology at the same time?
and North Korea will most likely become another ''post-Arab spring'' country
And you blame that on the outside world instead of the NK leaders?
How can Kim Jong-un take the blame for it if he is trying to not have a civil war start in North Korea?
If you have failed to see it, it was the citizens that started the riots because they wasn't happy with their leader, not other countries.
How can you be so sure that the North Korean population are unhappy with their leader? Have you been there, or have you watched the BBC? There are people who are unhappy with the leaders of North Korea yes, but if it was a ''striking majority'' then there would be no need for NATO, nuclear weapons or anything for Kim Jong un to be deposed. When the majority of the people revolt, then there are no factors which will stop it from happening. It hasn't happened yet so...
What are they criticised for then?
They're not criticised because they do not want to imitate the American model of ''democracy'', because instead they see another system as a better choice, but apparently that makes a lot of people mad?
They're not criticised because they do not want to strip themselves of their defenses to meet ''generous'' offers of ''humanitarian'' aid so they effectively put themselves in a vulnerable position to total disorder?
Why do you blame everything on America?
How can you be so sure that the North Korean population are unhappy with their leader? Have you been there, or have you watched the BBC? There are people who are unhappy with the leaders of North Korea yes, but if it was a ''striking majority'' then there would be no need for NATO, nuclear weapons or anything for Kim Jong un to be deposed. When the majority of the people revolt, then there are no factors which will stop it from happening. It hasn't happened yet so...
As MIB said, how can you be sure that they are not unhappy with their leader?
I thought your communism period would be over soon, but it looks like you are becoming more and more fanatical and starting to blame US and the west for everything..
People in North Korea don't live in the cities.
You completely destroyed any argument you were planning to bring up with that sentence.Yeah, maybe some do, yes, but the majority doesn't. It's just there for decoration.
North Korea is everything now?I'm done with this, i can't belive how narrow minded you actually have become.
I'm done with this, i can't belive how narrow minded you actually have become.
That you are even trying to defend North Korea..
Yeah, maybe some do, yes, but the majority doesn't. It's just there for decoration.
They would not afford having entire cities just for decorative purposes. Have you been smoking anything lately?They could and that's how it is.
They could and that's how it is.
Really? I'm starting to think Estonia has no cities as well, to make you such a specialist.That's out of context ;)
And to bite the letter, our "cities" can't really be considered as cities indeed, but the population in them is far bigger than in N-Korea's cities I imagine.
:rofl:There's nothing wrong with them, but if you call New York a city, then the cities we have can't really be called cities. But that's an other matter, if hardly a matter, for another time.
I'm sure you know that USA is the geopolitical, military and cultural leader of western world...
There's nothing wrong with them, but if you call New York a city, then the cities we have can't really be called cities. But that's an other matter, if hardly a matter, for another time.
I'm done with this, I can't believe how dramatic you have actually become. :cry:
He isn't wrong, your practicality smashing every country that has tried to aid North Korea and then supporting the fact that the communist government in North Korea is a perfectly stable and lovely country to live.
Can you read? I have said that North Korea is not in the victim position either.
People in North Korea don't live in the cities. THey all live in camps/small towns and work all day while being watched by the army. They don't get fed, I don't remember the exact numbers, but one year millions of people starved to death. They have to poke around with sticks to find something. They have no idea what's going on around the rest of the world and they are brainwashed believing that their leader is some sort of a semi-god/angel, which is most likely why they don't riot. Their city/cities is only a tourist attraction, for the very few that get to go there at least.
Wrong..Sure they do, but not as populated as they should be..
Do not make things up here.
They do live in cities. And they even have hotels for foreign visitors.
Really? I'm starting to think Estonia has no cities as well, to make you such a specialist.
There's nothing wrong with them, but if you call New York a city, then the cities we have can't really be called cities. But that's an other matter, if hardly a matter, for another time.What Freedom is trying to say is that the largest settlement Estonia has, is by definition a town.
You always have to be the protector of peace and weak, right ?Biting my tongue on my opinion and standing up for those who are unable to in order to stop useless fighting on both sides makes me a protector? Last I checked, to do that, all you had to do was have some humanity in you.
Biting my tongue on my opinion and standing up for those who are unable to in order to stop useless fighting on both sides makes me a protector? Last I checked, to do that, all you had to do was have some humanity in you.
This topic is seriously and ridiculously out of control. For the love of Sauron, someone lock this sickening thing or clean out the ugly posts. This is putting out a great presentation to our players about our community's respect for one another. Jeezuz guys...
A very clever request from North Korea. Countries are always proclaiming that they give humanitarian aid to everyone who needs it and this is free from any political issues.
North Korea has now asked for such aid, and people are denying this because of politics? Great.
So its ok to starve and drown if you happen to follow a different political system, we are all such great people that we help anyone in need who kisses our ass.
Couple that with a fat dictator who prefers developing nuclear missiles over economic development that could uplift the general standard of living
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Recipe for disaster is also if this fat dictator lets go of what he has to defend his country...
Besides you say it like North Korea's sytem is the only around which influences the citizens' lifestyle. Aren't there any massive advertisement bombing raids about how wonderful this type of clothes are, how you will be only a successful person if you wear this and eat that in the rest of the world?
Oh yes sure, but it's not like someone is putting a gun to your head and telling you to wear this shirt.
Sorry, but in what way it is right to live in a great palace with good food, invest in nuclear bombs and missiles as a hobby, and leave you people to starve and get f**ked by floods ?
Thank you for providing me with the most accurate example of romanticised (to not say something else) view I have been talking about in this topic.
People do not get shot for wearing a certain type of shirt in North Korea. That's obvious distortion - doesn't even need a whole discussion, unless if you speak of someone wearing a shirt reading ''down with Kim Jong un'' and then in that case what do you expect? Said citizen to be hailed?
They know that their people are having hardship, but they know that if they stop investing on defense to fix the problem there will be a bunch of either NATO soldiers or foreign-supplied minorities bringing down anything that there is of order and stability in the country. But I guess it's all good with submitting the North Korean nation to total chaos if it's to remove the evil communists.
What started it was the division of Korea.
North Korea overreacted with the shelling of that South Korean island yes, but there is nothing wrong with placing armies near the border. The demilitarized zone exists for a reason. And if only all of the harassment between the two parties was just because of threats...
Wow. I don't even know how to address the obvious disregard of logic. So, I'm not going to. Just wow.
You can do even better by not posting at all if you don't want to discuss anything.
A truce is a halt to agression, and how can there be aggression if the units are on border inside own territory?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10129703
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/5391720/North-Korea-abandons-truce-and-threatens-to-attack-the-South.html
But you'll probably pull the "Media is always lying" Always the same thing Jay, you support things that are just plain wrong, no I do not agree with the US involving itself in every f**king war, but I also do not agree with dictartors living in palaces and having fun while their people are dying in the streets. And I do wonder if you could live in such place, our government steals a shit ton of money from the people so they can buy their Ipad's and travels, and you disagree with that, yet you agree on a f**king dictator taking the money of his people with the excuse of him being the supreme leader, and use it at his will to have fun investing in a failure of a rocket that couldn't even get off the earth, or buying huge ass mansions and having his little army to play.
How dumb can people become? You would believe american media brainwashing you that North Korea is the evil one, while South Korea is the state of angels.. Bull f**king shit. North Korea refused to lick US ass, thats why they make an evil out of them.
this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.Not clear enough..
this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.
this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.
this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.
this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.
this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.
this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.
Still, the topic continues far off path and those responsible for keeping it on take it further off. Amazing.
You should go make a romantic painting of North Korea, seeing as how you love idealised descriptions. And lol, taking money of his people. How can he have hobby of taking money from his people if they are all poor starving peasants as it is being put here in this topic?
@JDC:
well done comparing argonath and north korea, makes your post extremely legitimate
and you do not need to write a huge wall of text to make your wish that NK suffers an attack and its order completely disrupted look beautiful
What do you propose to be discussed here? If rubber ducks should be included in the international aid to North Korea?
:eek: Unbelievable.
Oh yes, capitalism does suck, but Communism is certainly not the way to go.
It absolutely is. The only reason you express that kind of opinion, is because communism has never been done successfully in the world. You may think Cuba is communistic? No. Many nations call themselves communistic now a days, but there is usually a one-party dictatorship leading the country, except the base of communism, which is power to the people. That's the usual mistake most revolutions happen to do. They manage to throw the dictator off the throne, and wants to make a socialistic state, but forgets to give the power back to the inhabitans, and keeps it themselves.
Communism looks extraordinary on the paper, but sadly, it has not been tried to be done successfully in practice.
:eek: Unbelievable.
Kinda of what I meant, i mean, I agree, communism is a great idea, but the in every attempt to make it, the human being greedy nature f**ked it up and ended in a weird type of dictatorship.
The problem with Communism and the reason it won't work is because it removes the incentive for people to work hard for the good of the country. You all share the work load, and at the end of the day get the same pay as everyone else.
and make the rest of the world the "bad boys".
Absolutely not. The basic, basic, basic, basic structure of communism is that every person should work as less as possible, in order to have as much spare time as possible. Imagine, if everyone (except people with handicaps and mental/psychical problems) worked three hours a day, it would be enough to keep the industri up, all citizen employed and have a good infrastructure with good welfare posibilities with free school, health system etcetra.
It's well and good having the expectation for a nation's people to put in their fair share for the general prospertiy of everyone, but just look at those who abuse government benefits - they get a considerable sum of money on which they can live on, and so they feel no need to work. If everybody works for the same pay and generally got the same living regardless of their work, then do you honestly expect them to work hard? Why would they? There will be no consequence for them doing a poor job and as a result the economy will ultimately suffer.
Also, there's the more obvious problem: human greed. People always want a little more than they have and there's a dead certainty that there would be disagreements over salaries.
And what lead you to come to such a conclusion?
I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to defend Jay, dictators, be them capitalists, communists, socialists, nazi's, whatever, they should never be supported, it is something just plain wrong, submitting others to your will by the use of guns and military power, if you love to hate the US, sure, but what you're trying to achieve here is wrong, Dictators have the excuse for the crimes they comitted that they're just crazy for power, and that made them do such things, but people that actually support them, must be even crazier.
If you ask someone on the street about Getulio Vargas, probably what they will tell you is that he was a dictator (if you are lucky enough to find someone who actually knows that he existed). Now compare him with the retards of Old Republic, of the military dictatorship or current presidents.
It was a ''dictator'' who put Brazil the closest possible to being a great power, to cite an example...
Let go of access to good healthcare, education and a decent life without having to pay rivers of money for it, to be able to shit on a person and not recognise their good doings. Yeah, irresistible bargain I know.
An exemplar way of conducting a debate. So once again, what do you propose we discuss here?
Re: North Korea seeks immediate food aid after floods
The topic could be a great start. This isn't about which country is politically self motivated. Since, well that leaves every country under the sun. The fact remains that there was a disaster in this country that has left them in a serious need of aid from others. Perhaps, keeping things on task would be a great start.
I myself have live up north, in a location near a river which in high rain would cause some overflow but not really flooding. However, I do remember a few years back a during a serious storm it got really serious, I do recall at that particular time that the entire basement was flooded and many roads to the other cities where nearly non-passable for a few days. Knowing this, I'd like to know how they plan to transport and deliver this emergency supply to citizens when, from my experience at least main methods of transportation was cut off and not a possible option.
An exemplar way of conducting a debate. So once again, what do you propose we discuss here?The news article, not the politics behind it. Don't forget, political discussions still aren't allowed here. If you guys can't think of anything to discuss, then it seems this topic no longer serves any purpose.
the question this topic makes is, will the other nations help ?
Communism is the true way its goal is to abolish state and money not create a police state like the USA says. North Korea deserves help.
Don't forget, political discussions still aren't allowed here.
People who misuse the benefits of being a part of a communistic society will receive punishment, which is one of the reasons why we have a functional prison-system.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia)
I'm worried about the people there.. We cannot let them to rot even if they are the people of NK. Unless I'm misinformed about the people's status.
You should go make a romantic painting of North Korea, seeing as how you love idealised descriptions. And lol, taking money of his people. How can he have hobby of taking money from his people if they are all poor starving peasants as it is being put here in this topic?
@JDC:
well done comparing argonath and north korea, makes your post extremely legitimate
and you do not need to write a huge wall of text to make your wish that NK suffers an attack and its order completely disrupted look beautiful
North Korea's healthcare system has been in a steep decline since the 1990s due to natural disasters, economic problems, and food and energy shortages. Many hospitals and clinics in North Korea now lack essential medicines, equipment, running water and electricity.[246] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1666806.stm)
Almost 100% of the population has access to water and sanitation, but it is not completely potable. Infectious diseases, such as tuberculosis, malaria, and hepatitis B, are considered to be endemic to the country. Life expectancy in North Korea is 63.8 years, occupying the 170th place in the world, according to 2009 estimates.
Among other health problems, many North Korean citizens suffer from the after effects of malnutrition, caused by famines related to the failure of its food distribution program and "military first" policy. A 1998 United Nations (UN) World Food Program report revealed that 60% of children suffered from malnutrition, and 16% were acutely malnourished. As a result, those who suffered during the disaster have ongoing health problems.
According to Human Rights Watch, free religious activities no longer exist in North Korea, as the government sponsors religious groups only to create an illusion of religious freedom.[228] (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/07/08/nkorea9040.htm)You are forbidden from choosing your own religious beliefs.
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Pyongyang was the center of Christian activity in Korea until 1945. From the late forties 166 priests and other religious figures were killed or disappeared in concentration camps, including Francis Hong Yong-ho, bishop of Pyongyang[230] (http://www.30giorni.it/us/articolo.asp?id=10278) and all monks of Tokwon abbey.[231] (http://www.missionsbenediktiner.de/seligsprechung/cms/kategorie/index.php?kategorieid=59&parentid=59&languageid=1) No Catholic priest survived the persecution, all churches were destroyed and the government never allowed any foreign priest to set up in North Korea.[232] (http://www.uscirf.gov/images/stories/pdf/nkwitnesses.pdf)
North Korean citizens usually cannot freely travel around the country,[2] (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/186491.pdf) much less travel abroad.[5] (http://www.northkoreanrefugees.com/2008-exodus.htm)[6] (http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,PRK,4562d8cf2,487ca236c0,0.html) Emigration is forbidden. Only the political elite may own or lease vehicles, and the government limits access to fuel and other forms of transportation due to frequent shortages of gasoline, diesel fuel, crude oil, coal and other fossil fuels (satellite photos of North Korea show an almost complete absence of vehicles on all of its roads throughout the country, even in its cities). Forced resettlement of citizens and whole families, especially as punishment for political reasons, is said to be routine.[41] (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41646.htm)You are forbidden from exploring your own country freely.
North Korean media are under some of the strictest government control in the world. The North Korean constitution provides for freedom of speech and the press; but the government prohibits the exercise of these rights in practice. In its 2010 report, Reporters without Borders ranked freedom of the press in North Korea as 177th out of 178, above only that of Eritrea.[193] (http://en.rsf.org/spip.php?page=classement&id_rubrique=1034) Only news that favors the regime is permitted, while news that covers the economic and political problems in the country, and foreign criticism of the government, are not allowed.[194] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6037715.stm) The media upheld the personality cult of Kim Jong-un, regularly reporting on his daily activities. The main news provider to media in the DPRK is the Korean Central News Agency.You are forbidden from hearing anything the state does not want you to hear.
Every North Korean is forced to have a portrait of the current leader and his fathers at his home / business. They're not allowed to express any political ideologies or they will be executed, without a trial most of the times. They're not allowed to visit South Korea and their families as the Pyongyang forbids it.Yes, and that's why I think we must intervene.
Males and sometimes females are fit for service in the NKorean Army are 17+ (not 18 as other countries), and almost all males are in the army, or reserves (Age 17-49) which makes it the Second biggest army in reserves ( 8 million reserves plus 1 million active personnel, which are about 25 percent of the whole population.
Allies? They used to have close ties with China, Soviet Union, Cuba, Belarus, Syria, Iran and former Soviet block countries.
Information on Wikipedia is as trustable as the leaders of North Korea telling all people worship their leader.
We do not have the right to intevene in another country. If the people in North Korea wish to change their system, they are very capable of doing so. If they do not, we should not force them.
We may not agree with the system, but that does not give us the right to shut a country out of trading resources under the name of 'sanctions' and then denying help if they starve.
Most of the shortages and problems are because international trade in many items is blocked as "we" feel the government there should be changed. So "we" cause problems, then deny help.
I am by no means a fan of the regime in North Korea, but I am against denial of help for those we are responsible for starving.
f the people in North Korea wish to change their system, they are very capable of doing so. If they do not, we should not force them.
Yet it's one of the only sources, as there is barely any valid reports coming out of N. Korea.Whis is exactly why it should be taken as propaganda and not actual situation.
There are no means of elections in N. Korea, the regime is a property of one family like in Syria. The only way to overthrow the regime would be via a military conflict as a transition never works out. A civil war such as Syria or Libya (Ofcourse Libya intervention was clear profit) would only make things worse for the civilians, plus the weapon stockpiles that N.Korea has and their unstable past.. a civil war would automatically begin an intervention in N.Korea, used as "Excuse" by Western powers to avoid a risk of them being used, just like Iraq with Sarin gas used on Kurds and Kuwait so the Americans intervened..The military itself could choose to overthrow the regime, and if enough people with power would be convinced it is time to change it could be peaceful. Reforms in China were done mostly in peace, the USSR collapsed without civil war, so your presumptions it can change only by civil war are completely false.
What if the dictator is powerful enough to supress and prevent any uprisings on the part of the people?No dictator is powerful enough if a majority of the people support the uprising.
We do not have the right to intevene in another country. If the people in North Korea wish to change their system, they are very capable of doing so. If they do not, we should not force them.The suffering is not recent, according to the video Reece posted.
Communism is the true way its goal is to abolish state and money not create a police state like the USA says. North Korea deserves help.
The thing is, you'd need to have the entire north korean army thinking at the same time "Hey, let's shoot that dictator", you'd need an actuall command of such rebellion, and for that you need more than 1 person meetings, with the ammount of supression there's no chance to form such thing.If the citizens of a country wish to overthrow the government, that should not be a small elite group who will then repeat the former government under a different flag.
If the citizens of a country wish to overthrow the government, that should not be a small elite group who will then repeat the former government under a different flag.
Changing a dictatorship that the world hates for one the world likes does not help the people of the country.
Just look at Egypt and Lybia and notice that for many citizens things got worse in their life.
yes, and do you think such ammount of organization can be done with the control NK government has over it's people.If it can not be done, not enough people want change and the government should be left alone.
There will of course be people who misuse the system
Communism is the true way its goal is to abolish state and money not create a police state like the USA says. North Korea deserves help.
No dictator is powerful enough if a majority of the people support the uprising.
If it can not be done, not enough people want change and the government should be left alone.
The security in NK is really strict and tough. One cannot organize anything without being exposed. And if there are even suspicious of someone, he is immediately exiled from their soil, or worse.
In one part it's our fault for isolating them into their own media and way of life, not saying that ours is better..thus it's expectable when the Western countries don't give a f**k about NK, the same will come as response.
A military coup would be hard to achieve, without assistance by Western Countries, lethal assistance or not, backed by profits of companies or not. At that point exactly is where countries like China, Cuba, Belarus, Venezuela, Iran start accusing the Western Countries of a plot to take over the government and we're again one step to worldwide shitstorm and start talking bullshit on conference rooms while the civilians are being killed every day.
@JayL:
This is where your entire argument falls apart, by arguing on the premise that there is an "order" in North Korea that is not to be disrupted if the country is to continue in a state of "prosperity". That premise is in itself flawed.
The only order that is present in North Korea is disorder. A country where you are forced to virtually worship a dictator, to stay locked inside the borders, to be separated from any friends or family you might have in the South, to conform to only a single political ideology, to die for simply having an opinion, to starve while watching fat dictators and fat generals eating first-class food, to dress exactly how the government tells you to dress, is definitely not a country with an order that deserves not to be disrupted.
By doing so, you can pretty much say goodbye to any advancements in technology and every other area of industry for that matter.You believe advancement is made just for money or by a State ?
What about situations such as North Korea, where the citizenry would be incapable of defeating the combined might of the administration and its armed forces? (as the soldiers are more in a position to benefit from the Kim administration)The French revolution started by peasants without weapons.
The French revolution started by peasants without weapons.
India fought with spears against the British army with guns.
In Georgia and Ukraine people gathered to protest the election results withotu any bloodshed.
Many would fall, but if the citizenry would unite against those in power, they would prevail.