Ironic. You know what I mean.Consider what you have since it could be gone one day - Basically.
Anyways, what was the reason for this?
Consider what you have since it could be gone one day - Basically.
That is not an answer to my question.I made it to make players wake up as they should consider if they are ready to lose one of the things that they are addicted to.
What do you think the reason for this would be? Just by reading it you can already know what it is about.
Play with respect, honor and motivation.Those few words should be shown with the rest of the text when you join the server. Enough said.
There coulds be hundreds of reasons for such a topic. An example of the kind of answer I was looking for would be something like this:A reason is not always needed. When you see a repetitive problem, that becomes your motivation to confront it. It doesn't necessarily have to be a specific incident that leads to a reaction.
''Because today, Player-A was in a very heated debate with Player-B about what kind of socks one should wear.''
A reason is not always needed. When you see a repetitive problem, that becomes your motivation to confront it. It doesn't necessarily have to be a specific incident that leads to a reaction.
...Instead I join to take care of situations that involves provocative comments, rulebreaking and arrogant attitude between players...
I am here to guide and that is what I am doing. I am not tired on the administration task. More like pissed off on the behaviour few of the players have.
Salmonella, take a look at what you have done, then talk. You are NOT in a position trying to educate us in how to do our work. I'm actually shocked that you still got the balls to tell mash what to do.
Even if it falls on deaf ears, what's wrong with trying to make a difference? If no one tries, nothing will be accomplished for sure. If someone tries, at least there's a chance for improvement. :)
There's nothing wrong with trying to make a difference. This just doesn't make any. The work administrations (are supposed to) do ingame is what really helps, and seeing one of them complain about it is actually quite the contrary of that. I gave perfect examples of possible and proper solutions, which I believe will help Mash, or anyone else with similair intentions, in decreasing rulebreaking and the amount misbehaving players.The work they do is not all the work that needs to be done. Players are responsible for this community too, and even our own Argonath Vision covers that. Every little thing does help, even if it doesn't seem like it. That's why I said trying is more effective than not.
The work they do is not all the work that needs to be done. Players are responsible for this community too, and even our own Argonath Vision covers that. Every little thing does help, even if it doesn't seem like it. That's why I said trying is more effective than not.
And even tho this topic is made regarding people arguing and acting like complete a.ssholes to each other,it will end up same in this topic. With arguments and being immature,trying prove empty points or win an argument.
Wise Chris is wise.
My theory: People don't change. But they do grow.
Growing is changing, so yeah. Very wise words indeed.
Growing is changing, so yeah. Very wise words indeed.
Not always, it's more difficult to change the way you think than the way you act.
The SA:MP community is in this position because we regretfully reward failure and condemn success.The real underlying cause of problems is a group of players who decide to disrupt instead of teach others. As such they set a bad example for new players, which is then pointed at.
To tackle this, we must address the issue around unbanning repeat offenders.
They are the underlying cause of our problems.
The real underlying cause of problems is a group of players who decide to disrupt instead of teach others. As such they set a bad example for new players, which is then pointed at.
Unless this group of talented players changes its ways, they will be banned before any repeat offender who at least tries to learn.
Play with respect, honor and motivation.I only play with my keyboard, but... Why all this blabla? Its just a game, a online game why all this?
Take that advice.
We cannot change others otherwise unless we are willing to change ourselves.
Addressing the root cause, which is repeat offenders (and those who are continously unbanned)
...will in turn inspire confidence in those willing to set good examples.
We cannot change others otherwise unless we are willing to change ourselves.
Take that advice.
I made it to make players wake upDoesn't work like that, try again. I guess owners will understand what I mean.
In a hierachy, this advice must first be applied at the top for it to trickle down.
Nobody likes it when players have incorrect behaviour or break rules, but being pissed off? Really? It's a really common phenomenon, and bringing so much anger to your task won't contribute in fixing the issue.And this is the guy who tells us about anger management. Quite hypocritic there.
Salmonella, take a look at what you have done, then talk. You are NOT in a position trying to educate us in how to do our work. I'm actually shocked that you still got the balls to tell mash what to do.With all due respect, you ain't that better.
The SA:MP community is in this position because we regretfully reward failure and condemn success.P.S.: Great job talking like that in an International community with
To tackle this, we must address the issue around unbanning repeat offenders.
They are the underlying cause of our problems.
most population of age 15 and lower
And this is the guy who tells us about anger management. Quite hypocritic there.
What are you talking about? Be clear if you're going to state big accusations.I'll leave it up to your thinking and thinking of others', as Zaila already pointed out.
I'll leave it up to your thinking and thinking of others', as Zaila already pointed out.
Okay, an empty statement. Nice. I don't know who you are, so I wouldn't know what I've done to you to deserve this. I advice you to look at my posts instead of my name. Do you really think I would even try talking to Frank Hawk if I'd take his past with me into consideration? No. I look at people's messages, not their names.My last post which will be directed towards your "productive teachings" in this thread.
My last post which will be directed towards your "productive teachings" in this thread.
Believe what you want and how you want, but the real reason behind me avoiding any elaborations on this due topic is because I'm fully and well aware of your stubborn and prideful attitude towards arguing against you, and you know it yourself you will write a 10-thousand word essay on how I am completely wrong when, in the deepest of your doubts, you know I'm right.
And on the last catch, if you don't know who I am, why bother? ;)
In a hierachy, this advice must first be applied at the top for it to trickle down.Which is why you are strongly adviced to take your own advice.
Which is why you are strongly adviced to take your own advice.
I would, but I don't belong to any hierachy apart from the hierachy of the community where I'm a ordinary member.Most who ask this question are banned and in another community. They would love to have the same chance, maybe you will be in a similar position one day. Perhaps then you will find it a positive that we tend to unban people.
As a member, I'm questioning why we are repeatedly unbanning those who repeatedly offend?
This action is demoralising many including me and raising the question, why are we diluting our community?
Most who ask this question are banned and in another community. They would love to have the same chance, maybe you will be in a similar position one day. Perhaps then you will find it a positive that we tend to unban people.
Sf_Sa got unbanned even if he was hacking weapons and selling them for 0.3 and 0.5$ per bullet and was getting people banned, beside the other hacks he was having. He ruined the business, people were buying weapons for a lot more higher price and were selling them for 10-20 percent higher than they buy, but the prices went down a lot thanks to Sf_Sa.First of all, pointing at one player is a very bad example.
He got a second chance, even if he did all these stupid actions, but why? Why should such a member of the community get unbanned after 1 year or less? A lot of people get banned for DM and sometimes they get an unban after 3-4months, DM is nothing for the hacks and ruining the economy and people's business but it takes only a few months more to get an unban if you hack.
Honestly, I love the community and I have nothing against it besides the unban of Sf_Sa. I know it's not my job to decide whether you're right or not, but I couldn't read this and not post my opinion.
Sincerely,
Lincoln.
First of all, pointing at one player is a very bad example.
SF_SA was unbanned after an ever increasing ban time, and currently is banned until 2013, providing we do not catch him ban evading until then.
Like every other unban. we consider the circumstances and the backstory.
It is funny that people point at his bans and unbans, while many have profited from receiving a large stock of cheap weapons. I am sure that if we would take the time to actually remove every bullet that was produced by cheating many of the mafias would have no stocks left.
Next time a weapon hacker offers you cheap weapons, perhaps refuse him in light of your problem with SF_Sa.
Unlucky for him he has been caught three times already :rofl:According to him it was his friend. Poor guy, first his brother sets him up and now his friend.... ;)
First of all, pointing at one player is a very bad example.
SF_SA was unbanned after an ever increasing ban time, and currently is banned until 2013, providing we do not catch him ban evading until then.
Like every other unban. we consider the circumstances and the backstory.
It is funny that people point at his bans and unbans, while many have profited from receiving a large stock of cheap weapons. I am sure that if we would take the time to actually remove every bullet that was produced by cheating many of the mafias would have no stocks left.
Next time a weapon hacker offers you cheap weapons, perhaps refuse him in light of your problem with SF_Sa.
Unlucky for him he has been caught three times already :rofl:
I guess he won't read this thread since he doesn't give a f**k about Argonath since he's hacking and rulebreaking constantly.If your friend who could not control his anger would want, he might be unbanned as well. But as long as he keeps pointing at others and being angry, there is no use.
Yes, I agree that a lot of people profited, but what that has to do with his unban? My friend got permanently banned because he couldn't control his anger while a hacker and a rulebreaker gets the second chance, gets banned again and then again has a third chance in 2013.
There is no next time, I was never offered to buy cheap weapons but I was informed by more than 20 people that some guy is selling 9,999 bullets every day of every weapon and making money. Every guy who has buying weapons from him could have made 1mil+ in one week, that's why we have a proble with RP in the community. People were RolePlaying earning money in a RP way while now, everyone has money and spending 2k is like spending 200$ back in 2009 and 2010.
I cannot say that some people who have a lot of money do not RolePlay, they do, but the, basically new players, ignore the RolePlay and open fire to show you how strong and rich they are because they have 500 M4 bullets and a 2k armor.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I guess he won't read this thread since he doesn't give a f**k about Argonath since he's hacking and rulebreaking constantly.
Yes, I agree that a lot of people profited, but what that has to do with his unban? My friend got permanently banned because he couldn't control his anger while a hacker and a rulebreaker gets the second chance, gets banned again and then again has a third chance in 2013.
There is no next time, I was never offered to buy cheap weapons but I was informed by more than 20 people that some guy is selling 9,999 bullets every day of every weapon and making money. Every guy who has buying weapons from him could have made 1mil+ in one week, that's why we have a proble with RP in the community. People were RolePlaying earning money in a RP way while now, everyone has money and spending 2k is like spending 200$ back in 2009 and 2010.
I cannot say that some people who have a lot of money do not RolePlay, they do, but the, basically new players, ignore the RolePlay and open fire to show you how strong and rich they are because they have 500 M4 bullets and a 2k armor.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Most who ask this question are banned and in another community. They would love to have the same chance, maybe you will be in a similar position one day. Perhaps then you will find it a positive that we tend to unban people.
I'm neither and plan to keep it that way.Because we feel they can make a more positive contribution to the server than those complaining elsewhere.
My question remains unanswered. Why are players, who are repeatedly banned (5+) unbanned?
Why are we undermining the efforts of community members by not addressing this issue?
If your friend who could not control his anger would want, he might be unbanned as well. But as long as he keeps pointing at others and being angry, there is no use.
As for the money and other situations, we are tackling this in RS5. Before we will already start some lockdown, but I believe the people who are most vocal in their complaints are the ones who will suffer first.
Not every player get treated the same in the unban section, it really depends what they have done, how much they have repeated it, how much bans they have had and so on.
There are various of factors to look in to. So there is no point of comparing of how some get a fast unban and some do not.
I'm neither and plan to keep it that way.
My question remains unanswered. Why are players, who are repeatedly banned (5+) unbanned?
Why are we undermining the efforts of community members by not addressing this issue?
Which means that according to some, you should not have had this chance at all. ;)
You know, people who get banned 3-4 times in a row promise that they will not repeat that action, blah blah blah, and when they get denied for the first time, they decide to change their attitude and once they get unbanned after 2 months of waiting, they become great players.
I had an experience with getting banned 5 times for the same reason just because I couldn't control my anger, and when I got unbanned after 3 and a half months, I've changed my attitude and I didn't get a single ban since then.
Well, I cannot say anything different from you, I agree.
You're right as well.
You know, people who get banned 3-4 times in a row promise that they will not repeat that action, blah blah blah, and when they get denied for the first time, they decide to change their attitude and once they get unbanned after 2 months of waiting, they become great players.
I had an experience with getting banned 5 times for the same reason just because I couldn't control my anger, and when I got unbanned after 3 and a half months, I've changed my attitude and I didn't get a single ban since then.
Which means that according to some, you should not have had this chance at all. ;)
Sf_Sa got unbanned even if he was hacking weapons and selling them for 0.3 and 0.5$ per bullet and was getting people banned, beside the other hacks he was having. He ruined the business, people were buying weapons for a lot more higher price and were selling them for 10-20 percent higher than they buy, but the prices went down a lot thanks to Sf_Sa.
He got a second chance, even if he did all these stupid actions, but why? Why should such a member of the community get unbanned after 1 year or less? A lot of people get banned for DM and sometimes they get an unban after 3-4months, DM is nothing for the hacks and ruining the economy and people's business but it takes only a few months more to get an unban if you hack.
Honestly, I love the community and I have nothing against it besides the unban of Sf_Sa. I know it's not my job to decide whether you're right or not, but I couldn't read this and not post my opinion.
Sincerely,
Lincoln.
Good rationale to a degree.If you check the unban section you might have noticed that since the times of Cutter and Kojak the unban times have been raised considerably, with as added bonus that they are published in the unban topic.
In light of this, I agree with Lincoln and Gandalf in allowing people to return below 3-4 bans.
Anybody over this however should be given longer bans in the excess of 6 months to hold them accountable for their actions.
If you check the unban section you might have noticed that since the times of Cutter and Kojak the unban times have been raised considerably, with as added bonus that they are published in the unban topic.
Managers are able to decide based on the information known to them while handling how long time is appropriate. In general HQ will interfere only if there is a very good reason, and the managers will know this reason and have possibility to object in case of a "famous" offender.
We do not work with a fixed number, or a fixed way of punishing. This has its disadvantages as it can be seen as 'random' and 'unequal', but at the same time it stops players from considering that they still have 2 bans to go before being removed a longer time.
In general, after being banned two times there is a good change every next ban will obtain a more and more extended time. However it also depends on the offense, for some their first ban is enough for a community routeblock.
Nope.
An example is Mario Rinna, who once held the record for the most bans on SA:MP (I do not know who the current record holder is, will check later), which was around 10 bans.
Nope.
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The Room - "Leave your stupid comments in your pocket!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfUj4QJGnok#ws)
Why are players, who are repeatedly banned (5+) unbanned?I've been in this community for like 4 years now. If I summarize my actions I can say that I've been a total asshole, rulebreaker, flamer, hacker and everything bad in first 3 years. If the leaders were as unforgiving as you say, I'd be community banned 2 years ago when I received my 5th ban.
Why are we undermining the efforts of community members by not addressing this issue?
I've been in this community for like 4 years now. If I summarize my actions I can say that I've been a total asshole, rulebreaker, flamer, hacker and everything bad in first 3 years. If the leaders were as unforgiving as you say, I'd be community banned 2 years ago when I received my 5th ban.
Forgiving me over and over was a bad move by leaders? Well I've been clean for almost a year now (except an incident in which I stabbed Gandalf to death lol) and I'm trying to contribute to the community in any way I can.
Personally, I would have not been so forgiving.
The rules are clear and by repeatedly breaking those rules or being banned demonstrate no willingness to change.
I'm growing tired of watching positive efforts being overshadowed by actions of others.
Your posts get more ironic every day..
Your posts get more ironic every day..MADE MY DAY.
This is internet with immature people,you can't ask what can't be achieved anyway.
Personally, I would have not been so forgiving.It would help if you dropped the double standards in your actions, such as commending those who you condemned, and vice versa.
The rules are clear and by repeatedly breaking those rules or being banned demonstrate no willingness to change.
I'm growing tired of watching positive efforts being overshadowed by actions of others.
You've done well Lance - your a exception among many others. It has not gone unnoticed. ;)
It would help if you dropped the double standards in your actions, such as commending those who you condemned, and vice versa.
It doesn't matter if I sugarcoated the above sentence or not, I know we can still understand it the same regardless.