Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Huntsman on August 16, 2012, 04:49:23 pm
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I was watching some documentaries in Youtube, when i came across this:
Craig Ewert at Dignitas (Switzerland). Assisted Suicide / Euthanasia. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1_sGZz8yo#ws)
I can't really express how i feel about it, if it's a crime or it's a right.. I think every human being should have a right like this to end his life if things go too bad. What is your opinion?
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Everyone is entitled to do what they want with their life. Although I no way condone nor agree with suicide as I think thats taking the easy way out instead of confronting your problems whether it be money issues, or even a bully if you're in school there is always someone that is willing to listen to you, you just need to find them. However, when helping someone kill themselves thats were I drawn the line and consider you a criminal. It is their choice to commit suicide and their will to do it themselves, it's not up to their partner to help them do it. I feel as if those who help condone suicide are murders and should be punished with atleast man slaughter charges and face a minimum of 10 years in prison if not longer..
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Everyone is entitled to do what they want with their life. Although I no way condone nor agree with suicide as I think thats taking the easy way out instead of confronting your problems whether it be money issues, or even a bully if you're in school there is always someone that is willing to listen to you, you just need to find them. However, when helping someone kill themselves thats were I drawn the line and consider you a criminal. It is their choice to commit suicide and their will to do it themselves, it's not up to their partner to help them do it. I feel as if those who help condone suicide are murders and should be punished with atleast man slaughter charges and face a minimum of 10 years in prison if not longer..
What if a person is ill? What if he is badly paralised and every second of his life is only pain and pain?
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OMG who gives a fuck u die and you're not here anymore existence has no point and we should focus on discovering if parallel universes exist but nobody gives a shit and they focus on daily life instead
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OMG who gives a f**k u die and you're not here anymore existence has no point and we should focus on discovering if parallel universes exist but nobody gives a shit and they focus on daily life instead
If you arent up for the discussion, why the hell would you even bother replying..? That attitude is going to take you nowhere.
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I don't agree with suicide, the best thing is just to live how you want till you die.
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I don't agree with suicide, the best thing is just to live how you want till you die.
suicide in switzerland isnt a crime /topic can be closed
and yes i bet laying on hospital bed without able to make a move or say anything is great and we should force all people to it
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In a case where the person is in full capacity to decide and the quality of life has been irreversibly damaged, euthanasia is for me fully acceptable.
In any other case assisting would be a crime, as otherwise it would lead to people "taking decisions" for others, who have no means of confirming.
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suicide in switzerland isnt a crime /topic can be closed
and yes i bet laying on hospital bed without able to make a move or say anything is great and we should force all people to it
Why would it be a crime? If you kill yourself, you can't go to jail.. if you chose to end your life, your choice. But at least just have fun with the life even if in prison, just hang around and do some new stunts, if you die, you die.
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Why would it be a crime? If you kill yourself, you can't go to jail.. if you chose to end your life, your choice. But at least just have fun with the life even if in prison, just hang around and do some new stunts, if you die, you die.
it's very easy to think your way, i - in the past, have thought the same, why kill yourself if you can at least have some fun before dying like stealing a car or something, but in reality to want to kill yourself, you have to have such a mood-affective decision, that you simply would see nothing fun in stealing cop's gun and killing some random people before dying.
if you want to kill yourself it's cause of the pain which inflicted you, and when you don't see point in anything else
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Assisted suicide should always be against the law. Here in Canada we have had issues with this law and have enforced it to its full extent based on the idea that we must prevent people from assisting in suicide those that are not mentally capable of making such a decision, and because we in Canada as a society put a value on human life. The government and society here believes that if we made assisted suicide legal, it would only cause a drop in how certain people value life.
You can go to prison for 14 years here and it makes the news every once and a while. Now, Canada is lucky enough to have one of the best Health Care systems in the world so people are treated well if they are dying of an illness. I can understand why in other countries that lack the medical support for such people would consider putting someone down so they don't suffer, however I think that choice should be kept with a governing body of doctors at the very least.
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I don't agree with suicide, the best thing is just to live how you want till you die.
And what if you want to die right away?
I agree on euthanasia only if you have terminal illness/being quadroplegic (everything beneath your neck is paralyzed means you can only move your head).
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Assisted suicide should always be against the law. Here in Canada we have had issues with this law and have enforced it to its full extent based on the idea that we must prevent people from assisting in suicide those that are not mentally capable of making such a decision, and because we in Canada as a society put a value on human life. The government and society here believes that if we made assisted suicide legal, it would only cause a drop in how certain people value life.
You can go to prison for 14 years here and it makes the news every once and a while. Now, Canada is lucky enough to have one of the best Health Care systems in the world so people are treated well if they are dying of an illness. I can understand why in other countries that lack the medical support for such people would consider putting someone down so they don't suffer, however I think that choice should be kept with a governing body of doctors at the very least.
lol this has NOTHING to do with medical care, you think it's fucking fun to
a) be in a coma forever (already after a week of coma you get brain damage so go figure if you're in it for about 2 months for example)
b) be paralyzed so all you do is lay down on a bed and realize how shit your life is
? no
I bet every paralized person wants their husband/wife to kill them but they're not even able to state it
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Marcel go and take five mate,
This is a common topic between medical staff and has been for years, a lot of us would rather not live if put into a state such as a coma or paralysis yet when it comes to would you allow it there is a huge debate of how it effects the person committing the act etc. There are also several things to consider such as a subjects mental state, I can recall before being asked to perform said act but then thanked after for not. In conclusion this is unanswerable I would say.
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lol this has NOTHING to do with medical care, you think it's f**king fun to
a) be in a coma forever (already after a week of coma you get brain damage so go figure if you're in it for about 2 months for example)
b) be paralyzed so all you do is lay down on a bed and realize how shit your life is
? no
I bet every paralized person wants their husband/wife to kill them but they're not even able to state it
Indeed. There is no way you can connect quality of the medical care to agony. If person is sick with painful and uncurable disease/infection or any other illness, there is no way even the best quality medical care will help him. If his life will be supported by painkillers, it's even worse than the actual pain.
About the mental state. Mentally ill or not, he has his word, if he wants to die, then he wants to die. Who will decided for him, if not himself?
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As usual the Netherlands has come up with a complex law that is so complicated it seems simple.
Euthanasia (assisting in suicide) is a crime. This means that everyone who does has to report it to the authorities. However if proper care has been taken (the person performing is a doctor or relative who got doctor's permission, the person was capable of expressing their will in clear mind) the case will not be proscuted and no criminal record kept.
If not executed correctly, a punishment for manslaughter/murder can be given. Unfortunately punishment for that is 200 hours community service...
Medical staff does not have the option of euthanasia if the patient is past the point of being clear of mind, even if it is clear the patient is terminally ill. They hover do have the option of withdrawal of service, giving no other medication as pain killers and advising the patient not to eat or drink (patients have the right to refuse food and drink). Usually with terminally ill that causes natural death in a couple of days.
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There is a big case about this going on at the moment here in the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19280413 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19280413)
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Now, Canada is lucky enough to have one of the best Health Care systems in the world so people are treated well if they are dying of an illness. I can understand why in other countries that lack the medical support for such people would consider putting someone down so they don't suffer, however I think that choice should be kept with a governing body of doctors at the very least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems)