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Title: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: nikos on August 17, 2012, 08:02:30 pm
Moscow's top court has upheld a ban on gay pride marches in the Russian capital for the next 100 years.

Earlier Russia's best-known gay rights campaigner, Nikolay Alexeyev, had gone to court hoping to overturn the city council's ban on gay parades.

He had asked for the right to stage such parades for the next 100 years.

He also opposes St Petersburg's ban on spreading "homosexual propaganda". The European Court of Human Rights has told Russia to pay him damages.

On Friday he said he would go back to the European Court in Strasbourg to push for a recognition that Moscow's ban on gay pride marches - past, present and future - was unjust.

The Moscow city government argues that the gay parade would risk causing public disorder and that most Muscovites do not support such an event.

In September, the Council of Europe - the main human rights watchdog in Europe - will examine Russia's response to a previous European Court ruling on the gay rights issue, Russian media report.

In October 2010 the court said Russia had discriminated against Mr Alexeyev on grounds of sexual orientation. It had considered Moscow's ban on gay parades covering the period 2006-2008.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 17, 2012, 08:04:34 pm
A beautiful thing. :)
But only 100 years?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Def Perry on August 17, 2012, 08:05:28 pm
we have the 'pink city' here.. Amsterdam
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on August 17, 2012, 08:15:28 pm
 So? What's the big deal? This ban can only lead to good. Gay Parades? Seriously? A few days ago I came across a picture portraying different sexualities in colorful and cheerful pictures, while the Heterosexual one was a stick figure with a dull face and the picture itself was black and white...This shit needs to stop, because more and more people get into a state of Heterophobia and act like being a part of the LGBT is something completely normal, while being heterosexual means being the DIFFERENT AND BAD person...This ban should grow Worldwide, us straight people don't go on parades, so why do fags and dykes do it?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on August 17, 2012, 08:16:54 pm
Shame for all the camp people in Moscow.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 17, 2012, 08:18:02 pm
So? What's the big deal? This ban can only lead to good. Gay Parades? Seriously? A few days ago I came across a picture portraying different sexualities in colorful and cheerful pictures, while the Heterosexual one was a stick figure with a dull face and the picture itself was black and white...This shit needs to stop, because more and more people get into a state of Heterophobia and act like being a part of the LGBT is something completely normal, while being heterosexual means being the DIFFERENT AND BAD person...This ban should grow Worldwide, us straight people don't go on parades, so why do fags and dykes do it?
We can parade aswell :D
assparade
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: stormeus on August 17, 2012, 08:24:22 pm
A beautiful thing. :)
But only 100 years?
This shit needs to stop, because more and more people get into a state of Heterophobia and act like being a part of the LGBT is something completely normal, while being heterosexual means being the DIFFERENT AND BAD person...This ban should grow Worldwide, us straight people don't go on parades, so why do fags and dykes do it?
We can parade aswell :D
assparade

I don't get where you're getting this from. The vast majority have nothing against people for simply being heterosexual, and they really have no reason to when they're already being discriminated against for being homosexual like you're doing right now. However, I see no room in this community for hate of any kind, especially not with the disgusting comments and provocations that you two are bringing up.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 17, 2012, 08:41:37 pm
I don't get where you're getting this from. The vast majority have nothing against people for simply being heterosexual, and they really have no reason to when they're already being discriminated against for being homosexual like you're doing right now. However, I see no room in this community for hate of any kind, especially not with the disgusting comments and provocations that you two are bringing up.
We are not discriminating homosexuals but their habit of the parade.
Just google gay parade.
I don't want to look at that shit.
If you want to be gay, suite yourself if you can't be changed.
But parading it and discriminating hetero sexuals is retarded as f*ck.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ragdoll on August 17, 2012, 08:46:24 pm
Whoever DOESN'T support the ban.. (I do support it), will be kissed by these two fine gentlemen.
(http://www.social-circle.co.uk/UploadedFiles/images/manchester-events-gay-parade.jpg)
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: nikos on August 17, 2012, 08:54:20 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19300680 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19300680)
(http://www.srpskatribina.net/forum/images/smilies/food-smiley-004.gif)

They deserve 20 but I hope this will change there opinion,work liberates.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gandalf on August 17, 2012, 08:59:27 pm
Homosexuals are free to exist in Russia, there is a large number of openly gay and bisexual artists.
However they are kindly requested to keep their sexual preference in their bedroom, just like heterosexuals.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ragdoll on August 17, 2012, 09:02:36 pm
Homosexuals are free to exist in Russia, there is a large number of openly gay and bisexual artists.
However they are kindly requested to keep their sexual preference in their bedroom, just like heterosexuals.
/topic?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Bundy on August 17, 2012, 09:03:01 pm
Homosexuals are free to exist in Russia, there is a large number of openly gay and bisexual artists.
However they are kindly requested to keep their sexual preference in their bedroom, just like heterosexuals.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: SafetyMoose on August 17, 2012, 09:19:01 pm
A beautiful thing. :)
But only 100 years?


Kill Yourself
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Huntsman on August 17, 2012, 09:25:17 pm

Kill Yourself

No, YOU kill yourself.

Being gay is okay, but showing your fucking penises and naked butt in public is a fucking disgusting absurd. Get your mind right, son.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: SafetyMoose on August 17, 2012, 09:27:51 pm
No, YOU kill yourself.

Being gay is okay, but showing your f**king penises and naked butt in public is a f**king disgusting absurd. Get your mind right, son.

Fuck you. I have never seen a gay rights parade that is anywhere close to what you people try to explain them as. Get your facts straight.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Alan.Wake on August 17, 2012, 09:59:11 pm
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Kill Yourself

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Being gay is okay

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f**k you.

I am sure you would like that a lot.  :lol:
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ragdoll on August 17, 2012, 10:10:53 pm
f**k you. I have never seen a gay rights parade that is anywhere close to what you people try to explain them as. Get your facts straight.
Haven't seen them doesn't mean it's not how they go sometimes.. just use google images to search for "Gay Parade" with safe search off.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Huntsman on August 17, 2012, 10:14:55 pm
f**k you. I have never seen a gay rights parade that is anywhere close to what you people try to explain them as. Get your facts straight.

Okay, they're with their underwear - what difference does it make? They still go in the streets showing themselves off like it would be something people would like to see. Respect for Russia

P.S, your signature tells a lot. Typical western person.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: SafetyMoose on August 17, 2012, 10:18:17 pm
Okay, they're with their underwear - what difference does it make? They still go in the streets showing themselves off like it would be something people would like to see. Respect for Russia

P.S, your signature tells a lot. Typical western person.

Your attitude is the reason for why I am a 'Typical Western person" in your eyes. At least we represent the god tier of Humanity instead of you people and your dark age culture and beliefs

banned for 15 days
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Kirgiz on August 17, 2012, 10:24:21 pm
f**k you. I have never seen a gay rights parade that is anywhere close to what you people try to explain them as. Get your facts straight.
No fuck you, because you haven't been to Russia on their air force day. Gay parades are pretty equal.

It's easy to judge everything from your precious Canada, go try to live in some 2nd class countries.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: SafetyMoose on August 17, 2012, 10:45:12 pm
No f**k you, because you haven't been to Russia on their air force day. Gay parades are pretty equal.

It's easy to judge everything from your precious Canada, go try to live in some 2nd class countries.


I have actually lived in the 3rd world so try again.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Kirgiz on August 17, 2012, 10:49:30 pm

I have actually lived in the 3rd world so try again.
I'd ask you to prove it, but it's pointless considering you're on the internet, although. You have not lived there for all your life.

I say again, try coming to Moscow next summer during the Air Force Day. Have fun!

Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Aksel on August 17, 2012, 11:01:30 pm
So? What's the big deal? This ban can only lead to good. Gay Parades? Seriously? A few days ago I came across a picture portraying different sexualities in colorful and cheerful pictures, while the Heterosexual one was a stick figure with a dull face and the picture itself was black and white...This shit needs to stop, because more and more people get into a state of Heterophobia and act like being a part of the LGBT is something completely normal, while being heterosexual means being the DIFFERENT AND BAD person...This ban should grow Worldwide, us straight people don't go on parades, so why do fags and dykes do it?

Homosexuality is perfectly normal, but for some reason, you south-east Europeans struggles to understand it. :D

Whoever DOESN'T support the ban.. (I do support it), will be kissed by these two fine gentlemen.
<stereotypic picture>

Why? What do YOU have to do with anyone else's sexual preferences?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ragdoll on August 17, 2012, 11:08:00 pm
Homosexuality is perfectly normal, but for some reason, you south-east Europeans struggles to understand it. :D

Why? What do YOU have to do with anyone else's sexual preferences?
I have nothing to do with it, they can go queer all year long, and I wouldn't give a shit. I do have a problem, though, with men wearing thongs and running around in the street like 6 year old girls.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Kirgiz on August 17, 2012, 11:10:03 pm
Question of the topic:

Why the heck there are no heterosexual parades?

That's why there should be no gay parades. Period. Make your own parades in the fucking clubs.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on August 17, 2012, 11:16:14 pm
Just to get one thing straight..

All the fuckwits kicking and screaming here are on about CAMP people NOT homosexuals.

Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Flaken on August 17, 2012, 11:22:25 pm
they will be used as charcoals for the hell fire to burn the devil
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 17, 2012, 11:38:48 pm

Kill Yourself
Did I offend your kind?

Your attitude is the reason for why I am a 'Typical Western person" in your eyes. At least we represent the god tier of Humanity instead of you people and your dark age culture and beliefs
Typical brainwashed Canadian.
"God tier"? :rofl:
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Jubin on August 18, 2012, 12:45:56 am
Question of the topic:

Why the heck there are no heterosexual parades?

That's why there should be no gay parades. Period. Make your own parades in the f**king clubs.
So just because Heteros do not want to organize a hetero parade gays won't be allowed to organize gay parades?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Dolfagr on August 18, 2012, 12:59:57 am
A law is a law. Nobody is stopping them from breaking it. But if they do they face the consequences.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Kirgiz on August 18, 2012, 07:58:07 am
So just because Heteros do not want to organize a hetero parade gays won't be allowed to organize gay parades?
If they think that being gay is normal for them, how are they different than Heteros?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Huntsman on August 18, 2012, 09:14:15 am
Your attitude is the reason for why I am a 'Typical Western person" in your eyes. At least we represent the god tier of Humanity instead of you people and your dark age culture and beliefs

banned for 15 days

First - I'm religious
Second - Yes, you're a typical western person, which thinks that the world ends with US, Canada, Britain and some central europe countries? You know what would be a better world? Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, Portugal , Spain and maybe Russia. Now that would be a perfect world, without cowardly western propaganda.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Jubin on August 18, 2012, 11:46:38 am
If they think that being gay is normal for them, how are they different than Heteros?
That is not about the sexual orientation at all.
Your reasoning is the same as would be in the case of. A group of basketball players do not fancy a game of basketball right now so footballers who want to play football are denied their request of playing football.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Taylor_P on August 18, 2012, 12:04:48 pm
Want to be in a gay parade come to America we got a town every year does weekends for Gays and Lesibans and no it aint no joke, (YOU ARE WARNED HERE ARE THE LINKS DONT BE 5 year old kids now!)
Gays- http://www.jeffreysanker.com/press/ (http://www.jeffreysanker.com/press/)
Lesbians- http://www.dinahshoreweekend.com/ (http://www.dinahshoreweekend.com/)

Another reason why We won the cold war ^.V 

First - I'm religious
Second - Yes, you're a typical western person, which thinks that the world ends with US, Canada, Britain and some central europe countries? You know what would be a better world? Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, Portugal , Spain and maybe Russia. Now that would be a perfect world, without cowardly western propaganda.

MY reply
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qwUN6RkIB7U/TrWyqjJ__tI/AAAAAAAABRI/QEuptfwpeqw/s1600/mlp+my+little+pony+meme+bronies+pinkie+shocked+and+disgusted.jpg)
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gandalf on August 18, 2012, 01:24:04 pm
That is not about the sexual orientation at all.
Your reasoning is the same as would be in the case of. A group of basketball players do not fancy a game of basketball right now so footballers who want to play football are denied their request of playing football.
As its quite strange to play football on a basketball field, why would they get permission?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Jubin on August 18, 2012, 03:58:01 pm
As its quite strange to play football on a basketball field, why would they get permission?
Wait these days streets are for straight parades(which does not happen)? Anyway I was thinking basketball on basketball court and footballers on football field, situation stays the same. Also even if the footballers would want to play on a basketball field/court simply "quite strange" isn't a good reason at all. I've played football on a kindergarten playground as well as a 15 year old just because it was fun.

If you want a better example: Dolfagr doesn't want to buy a new T-shirt hencefore I am not allowed to buy new pants. That is the logic of Kirgiz.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Hidduh on August 18, 2012, 04:04:34 pm
I just love how a simple news article can turn a discussion into bashing homosexuals and the western culture.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: yoske on August 18, 2012, 04:09:35 pm
And what would they accomplish with gay parade? Pure waste of money, space and time...
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JDC on August 18, 2012, 05:56:17 pm
f**k you. I have never seen a gay rights parade that is anywhere close to what you people try to explain them as. Get your facts straight.

(NOTE: The following link contains nudity, which is not placed here for any malicious purpose but rather, for proof and substantiation purposes)

This (WARNING: Explicit content)

Image Link (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4766362099_9fb67cf3ba.jpg)

took place in Toronto during one of the annual 'Tornoto Pride' celebrations. Note that the person in the foreground is not the only one parading around without enough clothes.

So yes, you must have been quite unattentive of things that are going on even in your own country.



I personally have nothing against homosexuals having their orientation and sexual habits. As a matter of fact, I also have homosexual friends, with some of them being against pride parades too.

However, as Gandalf pointed out, they should confine it to their bedrooms, the same as heterosexuals. No one prevents you from doing whatever you want in your bedroom, but parading around the city and forcing people to see it is another matter.

As such, I support the ban on gay parades as it means Muscovites will not have to be subjected to sights in their city such as the one I put in the link above.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on August 18, 2012, 06:29:53 pm
And what would they accomplish with gay parade? Pure waste of money, space and time...
I consider the Olympics that.. If you're going to contribute make it something worth mentioning.

Moving on...
JDC what you have found is something similar to the London riots last year, something happened and some fuckwits saw it as an opportunity to mental. I could show a picture of football riots and stereotype all football gatherings as an excuse to break shit, same goes for almost any public event you will always get some idiots.

Now to my viewpoint on the parades I think if something like this should be banned so should all other things like it where there is the possibility for something to get out of hand, its only fair.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 18, 2012, 06:36:49 pm
Want to be in a gay parade come to America we got a town every year does weekends for Gays and Lesibans and no it aint no joke, (YOU ARE WARNED HERE ARE THE LINKS DONT BE 5 year old kids now!)
Gays- http://www.jeffreysanker.com/press/ (http://www.jeffreysanker.com/press/)
Lesbians- http://www.dinahshoreweekend.com/ (http://www.dinahshoreweekend.com/)

Another reason why We won the cold war ^.V 

MY reply
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qwUN6RkIB7U/TrWyqjJ__tI/AAAAAAAABRI/QEuptfwpeqw/s1600/mlp+my+little+pony+meme+bronies+pinkie+shocked+and+disgusted.jpg)
Your main language is English yet what you just posted is ununderstandable gibberish..
Also, how does the fact that you have a gay / lesbian town (or something like that?) note America's victory in the cold war? :trust:
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: yoske on August 18, 2012, 06:40:03 pm
I consider the Olympics that.. If you're going to contribute make it something worth mentioning.

Cancel all sport competition cause gays cant parade! You argument is just stupid and you didn't answered on my question as you are supporting parade... If you can't answer don't write nonsense...
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JDC on August 18, 2012, 06:40:32 pm
It is not simply about banning something that could get out of hand. Gay parades are not simply any other affair, as they are rampant and public expressions of sexuality.

While football is a public spectacle, expressing one's sex habits is something subjected to some degree of taboo (varying by culture) by nearly the entirety of society. Whereas some countries and cultures are more liberal than others, you will not receive a positive reaction if you decide to perform sexual acts in public.

It's like walking into the middle of a busy street and taking a shit on the road; everyone has the right to do it (shitting), but the act is taking place in the wrong time and place, as well as the performer of the act imposing themselves on people who do not want to see shitting in the streets.

While citizens have the right to expression, they should not extend their rights to a level where they disregard the rights of others. In this case, the rights of the people in the city to choose not to be forced to see gay parades.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JayL on August 18, 2012, 06:49:47 pm
There was a gay parade in my town yesterday and the gay leader sat speaking gibberish on the megaphone for 3 hours a couple meters away from my window.

Oh Muscovites, how jealous I am of you.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 18, 2012, 06:53:45 pm
There was a gay parade in my town yesterday and the gay leader sat speaking gibberish on the megaphone for 3 hours a couple meters away from my window.

Oh Muscovites, how jealous I am of you.
I would have thrown a brick at him.

If there wasn't any police nearby that is.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gimli on August 18, 2012, 06:57:47 pm

Second - Yes, you're a typical western person, which thinks that the world ends with US, Canada, Britain and some central europe countries? You know what would be a better world? Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, Portugal , Spain and maybe Russia. Now that would be a perfect world, without cowardly western propaganda.
How would a world like that be better? Have you ever lived in a western country or visited one?

I don't know how you measure what countries are better, but if we were to base it on how satisfied people are with their lives, the West would probably win. Most Eastern Europeans have a really negative outlook on life, and being intolerant does not help. My opinion is limited though, as I have never visited any of the above listed countries apart from the Baltics and Portugal (no, not the Vilnius Portugal :razz:).

And what would they accomplish with gay parade? Pure waste of money, space and time...
Their money, their time. Not up to you how they spend it.

Your main language is English yet what you just posted is ununderstandable gibberish..
Also, how does the fact that you have a gay / lesbian town (or something like that?) note America's victory in the cold war? :trust:
What he wrote is easily understandable, if you want to, that is. One could argue that what you wrote is not understandable either, as the word "ununderstandable" does not exist, but somehow everyone understands what you mean...

I would have thrown a brick at him.

If there wasn't any police nearby that is.
I am not surprised.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 18, 2012, 07:03:43 pm
How would a world like that be better? Have you ever lived in a western country or visited one?

I don't know how you measure what countries are better, but if we were to base it on how satisfied people are with their lives, the West would probably win. Most Eastern Europeans have a really negative outlook on life, and being intolerant does not help. My opinion is limited though, as I have never visited any of the above listed countries apart from the Baltics and Portugal (no, not the Vilnius Portugal :razz:).
I live in a western country and I know how the conditions are in the Eastern European countries.
The working conditions in Eastern Europe are pretty bad, but Western Europe is collapsing aswell.
Now there may be more jobs in Western Europe, but people live way better being surrounded by nature and more factors in the Eastern European countries. Less stress. I'm moving as soon as I finish my school here.

I am not surprised.
Explain.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gimli on August 18, 2012, 07:18:48 pm
I live in a western country and I know how the conditions are in the Eastern European countries.
The working conditions in Eastern Europe are pretty bad, but Western Europe is collapsing aswell.
Now there may be more jobs in Western Europe, but people live way better being surrounded by nature and more factors in the Eastern European countries. Less stress. I'm moving as soon as I finish my school here.
I am not talking about work conditions or jobs. To me, a happy life means being surrounded by happy people, not the intolerance and constant negativity that is still plaguing the Baltics and most ex-soviet union countries.

Explain.
Intolerance is linked to intelligence, as is violence. Therefore, it is not surprising if someone that is intolerant says they would resort to violence to express their homophobia...
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Nathan_Alexandrov on August 18, 2012, 07:22:48 pm
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Cancel all sport competition cause gays cant parade! You argument is just stupid and you didn't answered on my question as you are supporting parade... If you can't answer don't write nonsense...
I guessed that you would reply with that Yoske.. You obviously have not idea how the Olympics has worsened Britain's economic crisis. Secondly I said I consider the Olympics a "Pure waste of money, space and time" I made no reference it should be cancelled. What I actually referred to was the parades etc. after the events where things get out of hand. 

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Gay parades are not simply any other affair, as they are rampant and public expressions of sexuality.
I can agree with you that they are expressions of sexuality however they are not always "rampant" it might be different in countries where homosexuality is not as accepted as say the United Kingdom, this would be because said homosexuals are rarely allowed to be public about being gay, in some countries people would be shot for so much as saying they are gay. Due to this some people are overwhelmed by it all and go a bit mad, do I agree with this? no I believe they should be dealt with accordingly by the authorities same as it would be in sports gathering etc.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JayL on August 18, 2012, 07:27:58 pm
homophobia...

It goes ahead of homosexuality or homophobia in such a case, though. Rather than homophobia, I'd rather see it as concern for public disturbance. If they could do these gay parades in some gay park, gay nightclub or their own houses it would be all right, but you can't deny you are disturbing the peace if you gather a bunch of homos in a park and put out extremely loud music, speak on megaphone to a minority between buildings in which there is a majority that doesn't have anything to do with being gay, bi, or whatever.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 18, 2012, 07:31:53 pm
I am not talking about work conditions or jobs. To me, a happy life means being surrounded by happy people, not the intolerance and constant negativity that is still plaguing the Baltics and most ex-soviet union countries.
Then you just confirmed that you were wrong.
Living conditions in Eastern Europe (happy people, environment) are better than in Western Europe.

Intolerance is linked to intelligence, as is violence. Therefore, it is not surprising if someone that is intolerant says they would resort to violence to express their homophobia...
So if a couple of homeless people entered your home, you would not request them to leave?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gandalf on August 18, 2012, 07:39:34 pm
I am not talking about work conditions or jobs. To me, a happy life means being surrounded by happy people, not the intolerance and constant negativity that is still plaguing the Baltics and most ex-soviet union countries.
Intolerance is linked to intelligence, as is violence. Therefore, it is not surprising if someone that is intolerant says they would resort to violence to express their homophobia...
Having more comparative material I can say at least Russians do not have a negative outlook.
It depends on the definition of being happy. In many Western countries being happy involves having a job that stresses you 10 hours of the active 18, and potting as much money as possible for when you die.
You live to work.
In Russia, you work to live. You do not have to watch your words in case someone decides it is the latest discrimination, nor do you have to hide who you like or do not like.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Jubin on August 18, 2012, 07:54:12 pm
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Happiest countries in the world:

1. Denmark
2. Norway
3. Netherlands
4. Switzerland
5. Austria
6. Israel
7. Finland
8. Australia
9. Canada
10. Sweden

http://247wallst.com/2012/05/22/the-happiest-countries-in-the-world-2/ (http://247wallst.com/2012/05/22/the-happiest-countries-in-the-world-2/)
All Western countries. While someone said that Baltics are the better countries as an example. Really? Lets check highest suicide rates top 10

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.   
1.   Lithuania
2.   Russia
3.   Belarus
4.   Latvia
5.   Estonia
6.   Hungary
7.   Slovenia
8.   Ukraine
9.   Kazakhstan
10.   Finland

http://www.aneki.com/suicide.html (http://www.aneki.com/suicide.html)
   
Whoa, mainly ex-soviet states and communistic countries of the cold war era. Finland is the wieridest country though, as is one of the most happiest and suicide-frenzy.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gandalf on August 18, 2012, 08:01:17 pm
All Western countries. While someone said that Baltics are the better countries as an example. Really? Lithuania has the highest suicide rate in the world. There's you bunch of happy campers.
It depends on how you define happiness. The Netherlands is high on the list, however if you read the daily comments of people you wonder how bad the rest of the world must feel. :lol:
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: battle on August 18, 2012, 08:11:25 pm
the danish primer minister walked with the gay parade that was in copenhagen today after what i've heard so yeah :P
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gimli on August 18, 2012, 08:18:42 pm
Then you just confirmed that you were wrong.
Living conditions in Eastern Europe (happy people, environment) are better than in Western Europe.
In your opinion. From my experience of living on both sides for at least a few years, western people are much happier.

So if a couple of homeless people entered your home, you would not request them to leave?
They would be breaking and entering, so yes, I would, however it would not be based on their social status or anything else, but purely based on the fact that they are intruders. No difference if it was a couple of homeless people or Donald Trump and Bill Gates.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Huntsman on August 18, 2012, 08:25:25 pm
I'm living in Lithuania, which is central/eastern europe ,and i cant complain at all....
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Chris_Knight on August 18, 2012, 08:32:06 pm
Man baltics and Latvia is involved so much into this argument,I feel famous.  :lol:
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 18, 2012, 08:33:37 pm
In your opinion. From my experience of living on both sides for at least a few years, western people are much happier.
They would be breaking and entering, so yes, I would, however it would not be based on their social status or anything else, but purely based on the fact that they are intruders. No difference if it was a couple of homeless people or Donald Trump and Bill Gates.
In which country did you live? Besides UK.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Chris_Knight on August 18, 2012, 08:36:30 pm
I'm living in Lithuania, which is central/eastern europe ,and i cant complain at all....
Based on your family's economical status and what job they acquire ,my life is horrible and tuff,economical status is simple "broke" . Currently working is just to pay rent and get a food,if I'm looking for anything else than that,I can simply forget.

I rather live in country full of assholes but at least live for living not for surviving another day .
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gimli on August 18, 2012, 08:52:20 pm
In which country did you live? Besides UK.
US and Lithuania.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 18, 2012, 08:55:50 pm
US and Lithuania.
To be honest I have no idea about how the living conditions are in Lithuania.
But one thing I sure know is that I prefer Serbia over Holland, where I currently live.
Like Gandalf said, in countries like Holland, people only live to stress themselves out and earn big money.
In Serbia everyone lives calmer and the living conditions are better.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Mikal on August 18, 2012, 09:00:57 pm
We are not discriminating homosexuals but their habit of the parade.
Just google gay parade.
I don't want to look at that shit.
If you want to be gay, suite yourself if you can't be changed.
But parading it and discriminating hetero sexuals is retarded as f*ck.
I agree, I don't have nothing against gays, but do they really need to have a gay parade where a bunch of gays turn up in tight and weird clothes and make out and such in the street? I find what some gays do is grose, I don't have personal problems with them, I just don't want to see a load of gay stuff in the street, we straight people don't have a straight parade and stand in the street bitching about gay people, so why should they be allowed to do it but bitch about straight people? They shouldn't, it's just public disruption.
It's like straight people doing it in public legally.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Alan.Wake on August 18, 2012, 09:10:02 pm
I don't have a problem if someone is gay, it's more of a challenge for them, but i will have a problem if one chooses to "explore" further.

Also, it disturbing to see people fighting over about which country in Europe has higher suicide rates or happiness, even more so when you judge them as "ex-soviet states". That world is left behind, why live in the past? We all are brothers, even the ones that speak trash.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gimli on August 18, 2012, 10:17:55 pm

Also, it disturbing to see people fighting over about which country in Europe has higher suicide rates or happiness, even more so when you judge them as "ex-soviet states". That world is left behind, why live in the past? We all are brothers, even the ones that speak trash.
A country being called an ex-soviet state is not a bad thing, it is simply history. Don't know why you see it is an insult...
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Kirgiz on August 18, 2012, 11:55:58 pm
That is not about the sexual orientation at all.
Please enlighten me about the reason behind gay parades.

Post Merge: August 18, 2012, 11:57:53 pm
If you want a better example: Dolfagr doesn't want to buy a new T-shirt hencefore I am not allowed to buy new pants. That is the logic of Kirgiz.
You completely missed my point then.

My point stands as in: why the heck do they do these parades at all? Why do they all need to show it off?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Jubin on August 19, 2012, 11:12:28 am
Please enlighten me about the reason behind gay parades.

Post Merge: August 18, 2012, 11:57:53 pm
You completely missed my point then.
That sentence was to make a point that it doesn't matter who does the parade. For example a Straight person can also organize a gay parade. You have problem with naked men prancing around? So say it like that. It has nothing to do with their sexuality. If a hetero guy would do that you wouldn't be disgusted? So streaking in public ok but if you think gay guy does it is not ok?

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My point stands as in: why the heck do they do these parades at all? Why do they all need to show it off?
Because Gay community want's to bring attention to the problems they have living in today's society. How they are discriminated, can't marry nor adopt babies. In my opinion they have chosen the wrong form of doing that, but that is not the point. I hate parades in general.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JDC on August 19, 2012, 11:23:14 am
I do not see why the upholding of gay rights has to be done through gay parades.

Around the world (and even in my city), more and more legislation is being passed prohibiting the discrimination of people on the basis of their sexual orientation.

Why do gays have to engage in parades where they walk through the city with little (or no) clothes, instead of engaging in more significant activities such as rallying for rights, supporting anti-discriminatory legislation, and engaging in proper movements that do not involve such inappropriate parading?

Do consider as well that it is those other activities which actually give them strength in the battle for gay rights, as opposed to merely parading through the city and showing their lack of clothes.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Mikal on August 19, 2012, 07:24:23 pm
I do not see why the upholding of gay rights has to be done through gay parades.

Around the world (and even in my city), more and more legislation is being passed prohibiting the discrimination of people on the basis of their sexual orientation.

Why do gays have to engage in parades where they walk through the city with little (or no) clothes, instead of engaging in more significant activities such as rallying for rights, supporting anti-discriminatory legislation, and engaging in proper movements that do not involve such inappropriate parading?

Do consider as well that it is those other activities which actually give them strength in the battle for gay rights, as opposed to merely parading through the city and showing their lack of clothes.
You stole the worlds directly from my head, I mean why can't they just go stand outside their citys city hall properly dressed with signs like everyone else in the world, why prance round the street dressed like an uneducated childish person..
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gimli on August 19, 2012, 07:26:15 pm
You stole the worlds directly from my head, I mean why can't they just go stand outside their citys city hall properly dressed with signs like everyone else in the world, why prance round the street dressed like an uneducated childish person..
Because it's a parade, not a protest.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Twister on August 19, 2012, 07:31:03 pm
It's cool that you can solve gay parades and not unban requests.Applause for gay people.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Mikal on August 19, 2012, 07:31:43 pm
Because it's a parade, not a protest.
Do straight people have a 'Straight parade'? No... :mad:
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Kirgiz on August 19, 2012, 08:30:42 pm
That sentence was to make a point that it doesn't matter who does the parade. For example a Straight person can also organize a gay parade. You have problem with naked men prancing around? So say it like that. It has nothing to do with their sexuality. If a hetero guy would do that you wouldn't be disgusted? So streaking in public ok but if you think gay guy does it is not ok?
I think everyone who does it is not okay. Got the point? It's pointless for both parties and gains nothing. Want something between yourselfs - lock up in a club, advert about gay party in that club and be gone with it.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Wolfe on August 20, 2012, 12:57:04 am
To be honest I have no idea about how the living conditions are in Lithuania.
But one thing I sure know is that I prefer Serbia over Holland, where I currently live.
Like Gandalf said, in countries like Holland, people only live to stress themselves out and earn big money.
In Serbia everyone lives calmer and the living conditions are better.

I lived in Brazil for the better part of my life, Last week I moved into Holland, and truth be told, things here are much calmer, and I don't see any stress at all ^^
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: nikos on August 20, 2012, 02:20:47 am
Don't be materialistic and measure happiness with economy.
Yea its important but as they say money is not everything.I come from a working-class familie and I can't complain really ,I got enough.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Gimli on August 21, 2012, 04:06:53 am
It's cool that you can solve gay parades and not unban requests.Applause for gay people.
How are unban requests relevant to this topic..?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Roman on August 21, 2012, 04:46:16 am
It's cool that you can solve gay parades and not unban requests.Applause for gay people.

It's cool that you can get banned and not be at least a little bit smart not to. Applause for those who couldn't follow simple rules within this community.

Seriously, let them do whatever they want to do. No need to hate. I have a girlfriend, but some of my friends are not straight - yet that does not make them different, so please, be mature here.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Toto on August 21, 2012, 05:10:53 am
gay parades on balkan always finish with fights :hit:
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: sjdsadsadoisa on August 21, 2012, 05:19:19 am
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Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JDC on August 21, 2012, 05:49:33 am
It's cool that you can solve gay parades and not unban requests.Applause for gay people.

The issue of gay parades has remained controversial for years, whereas unban requests usually have a maximum solving time of around a month.

Someone hasn't been getting enough outside time. :redface:
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Wolfe on August 21, 2012, 06:29:32 pm
Im not talking about all of them but what i've seen alot of from homosexuals is how they're "all in your face" about it, they'll do something that causes some form of disturbance and then when they've provoked a response they'll insist that THEY'RE being victimised. Even today i had a bisexual person (not mentioning any names) on argo say something that caused discomfort to me on the main chat. As im straight and such things are frowned upon in my religion i responded expressing my discomfort i was instantly labelled "homophobic." That's completely wrong as i and im sure many other people would rather let homosexual people do as they want as long as they didn't cause us any hassle. If people are homosexual as Gandalf said earlier it should be kept in their bedrooms and they should quit making a big show out of it in public where others might not be too comfortable with it. The court didn't completely outlaw homosexuals but said that the parades need not happen, i personally don't see anything wrong with any of this.


Then again, if some bisexual person said something that apparently is agaisnt your religion in chat, why don't you just ignore it ? Aren't you being the one "all in your face" with your religion ? I'm not agreeing with fucking Gay parades, but imo, it's the same as fucking "Carnaval" and samba in Brazil, girls almost naked dancing around in a fucking street, and you don't see gay people complaining about it.


imo, it's their asses, their life, they can do what the fuck they want with it.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JayL on August 21, 2012, 06:43:32 pm

Then again, if some bisexual person said something that apparently is agaisnt your religion in chat, why don't you just ignore it ? Aren't you being the one "all in your face" with your religion ? I'm not agreeing with f**king Gay parades, but imo, it's the same as f**king "Carnaval" and samba in Brazil, girls almost naked dancing around in a f**king street, and you don't see gay people complaining about it.

There's a difference between Carnaval and being gay, though. Carnaval is the cultural symbol of Brazil, everyone who lives in the country has something to do with it. On the other hand being gay is just the lifestyle of a minority. But people are defending that these gay parades, which entitle these minorities with the right to fill the uninterested majority's ears with useless speeches, to go on untouched anywhere.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Wolfe on August 21, 2012, 06:59:18 pm
There's a difference between Carnaval and being gay, though. Carnaval is the cultural symbol of Brazil, everyone who lives in the country has something to do with it. On the other hand being gay is just the lifestyle of a minority. But people are defending that these gay parades, which entitle these minorities with the right to fill the uninterested majority's ears with useless speeches, to go on untouched anywhere.

So ? by that your basicly saying any other type of parade which does not represent the entire country should also be forbidden.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: sjdsadsadoisa on August 21, 2012, 07:06:06 pm
About the "gay parades being the same as Carnaval" JayL pretty much summed it up, whilst Carnaval is a celebration of Brazillian culture all Gay parades are really trying to do is  force people into accepting their sexual orientation by means of obscene acts. It's their asses, their life but the world is not theirs, other people walk the streets where these parades take place and some of them are not so comfortable with what they see happening. For anyone regardless of their sexual orientation, race or beliefs to be accepted among society you make a positive contribution towards it. Not just rant and dress up like little kids and roam the streets pissing people off.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JayL on August 21, 2012, 07:07:17 pm
So ? by that your basicly saying any other type of parade which does not represent the entire country should also be forbidden.

No; what I'm trying to say is that something which is directed to a minority is not really fit to a public space, as the public space is used by the majority.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Wolfe on August 21, 2012, 07:12:18 pm
No; what I'm trying to say is that something which is directed to a minority is not really fit to a public space, as the public space is used by the majority.

So why should a 1 million Gay parade be banned, and a 1 million I don't know, Let us vote for "insert someone" president parade be allowed ? Truth be told theese parades aren't 3 guys sucking dicks in a corner, there is a shit ton of people in it, so sure, it is a minority for the entire country, but so is any parade by the measuring, considering brazil has 189 million people, a majority would be at least 70% of that, so according to you, we'd need a 100-120 million Gay Parade so it is fair.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JayL on August 21, 2012, 07:49:21 pm
So why should a 1 million Gay parade be banned, and a 1 million I don't know, Let us vote for "insert someone" president parade be allowed ? Truth be told theese parades aren't 3 guys sucking dicks in a corner, there is a shit ton of people in it, so sure, it is a minority for the entire country, but so is any parade by the measuring, considering brazil has 189 million people, a majority would be at least 70% of that, so according to you, we'd need a 100-120 million Gay Parade so it is fair.

In most gay parades with such huge audiences, a lot of the people who are in there are just normal people who just want to see some mess.
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: Jubin on August 21, 2012, 08:02:01 pm
No; what I'm trying to say is that something which is directed to a minority is not really fit to a public space, as the public space is used by the majority.
So Left-handed people should not have a public meeting amongst themselves on public property like a park or something?
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: JayL on August 21, 2012, 08:10:45 pm
So Left-handed people should not have a public meeting amongst themselves on public property like a park or something?

How could they propagate ''ideals of being a left-handed person''? I'm sure left-handed people meeting would be together for another reason, and if they were really there for being left-handed, I don't think they would be there annoying everyone else about the wonders of being a left-handed person...
Title: Re: Gay parades banned in Moscow for 100 years
Post by: nikos on August 21, 2012, 08:59:46 pm
Left hand huh (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=44682;type=avatar)  :D
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