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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Witchking on August 24, 2012, 11:57:19 am
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Today the norway court, made his sentence official.
Wich was lifetime in jail wich is like 21years in norway.
Personally i dont want to see him ever get out
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Cool, 100 days for every person he killed. When he's 60 he will be free and most likely will make shitloads of money by writing a book.
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In that sense you make it seem as if the people he killed are only worth 21 years.
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In that sense you make it seem as if the people he killed are only worth 21 years.
It's not.
And who's talking for 21 years, my bad. If he shows a good behaviour he can be out in 10 years.
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It's so fun, watching you guys speak about our court regulations and prison system..
After 21 years, the police/prosecution will have to take his case into court and promoting evidence that there is recurrence risk if he gets out, and that all general considerations must be weighed against eventuel release. There is already evidence of recurrence risk in the manifesto that he has made, and he has stated in court, if he ever get released he will do something like this again. Then the court may decide to detain Breivik with five-year terms, to this can last a lifetime.
At 10 years of good behavior, the facts of the case will apply, is completely absurd :)
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Why make a big drama out of this? He wont ever get out it.
He was sentenced to 21 years plus they can keep him as long as hes endangering Norway, up to life sentence yes.
So people no worries, just dont belive that its 21 years and thats it.
I belive Norway has the best and most humane court system in the world, and I am glad we have it this way.
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How and why are you sure that his 21-year sentence will be extended enough for him not to get out?
Pardon the question, but the Norwegian court system is not one of the topics I specialize in.
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Life is 21 years? If they plan on keeping him in the jail for a lifetime(more than 21 years), why not just sentence him to actual life in prison...? Better yet, instead of wasting money housing him just put a bullet in his head.
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Life is 21 years? If they plan on keeping him in the jail for a lifetime(more than 21 years), why not just sentence him to actual life in prison...? Better yet, instead of wasting money housing him just put a bullet in his head.
Wouldn't our lives be so much easier if that happened?
There's a bigger chance of him catching a bullet by some pissed off person on the outside, he's much safer in prison and he knows it.
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Here's the person who killed several of your friends and many other innocent people. Now watch how your taxpayer money ensures he has free shelter, clothing, and food for maybe the rest of his life.
Government logic.
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They can increase the punishment at any time with five years if he is still a danger to the public.
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21 years is ridiculous, but hopefully the prosecution can get an extension.
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They can increase the punishment at any time with five years if he is still a danger to the public.
How can you classify someone as a danger to the public before an act of aggression was seen?
Consider as well the risk that basing the classification such acts could mean certain actions with irreversible damage could have happened by then.
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The Swedish and norways Punishments against persons like this are silly, if this was america he could be judged For lifetime in jail on every victim he killed, and was it about 70? so i guess it is 40 years in amerca on lifetime... , so then he would gather 40 x 70 = wich makes 2800 Years...
Death or a sentence Like that would be a good Punishment for a very sick man like him...
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He will be out in 12 years.
Why? Next year he will finish his autobiography, that will be sold and give him a good funding, he already has influential friends.
In 5 years he will start proclaiming that he now distantiates himself from his past, as during the time in jai he regained his humanity that he disabled to do the attacks.
In 10 years he will ask for release based on his changed views on humanity and society. From his earnings he will make a donation to support the victims and the party which members he killed. The case will be denied after someone makes it public.
In 12 years he will make new request, and his lawyers will point out that it should be handled outside the public in order oto make it fair. He will be released.
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No offense intended - this is the ''highest HDI'' we are supposed to follow as example? :lol:
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He will be out in 12 years.
Why? Next year he will finish his autobiography, that will be sold and give him a good funding, he already has influential friends.
In 5 years he will start proclaiming that he now distantiates himself from his past, as during the time in jai he regained his humanity that he disabled to do the attacks.
In 10 years he will ask for release based on his changed views on humanity and society. From his earnings he will make a donation to support the victims and the party which members he killed. The case will be denied after someone makes it public.
In 12 years he will make new request, and his lawyers will point out that it should be handled outside the public in order oto make it fair. He will be released.
And this, my dear Argonathians, is life :roll:
It's embarrassing how no one seems to notice the predictability of all these criminals. :razz:
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He will be out in 12 years.
Why? Next year he will finish his autobiography, that will be sold and give him a good funding, he already has influential friends.
In 5 years he will start proclaiming that he now distantiates himself from his past, as during the time in jai he regained his humanity that he disabled to do the attacks.
In 10 years he will ask for release based on his changed views on humanity and society. From his earnings he will make a donation to support the victims and the party which members he killed. The case will be denied after someone makes it public.
In 12 years he will make new request, and his lawyers will point out that it should be handled outside the public in order oto make it fair. He will be released.
Let's hope there's still justice amongst the prisoners.
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Let's hope there's still justice amongst the prisoners.
Let's hope Norway keeps good relations with Russia. Putin might make some suggestions, as in Breivik taking a phone call and getting a fatal seizure....
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Some guy will dm a hobo, go to jail, kill Breiviks then gg. Gvardia style.
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Gandalf I am sorry but your wrong this time :redface:
He was sentenced as sane with 21 years in prison with extensions, 10 years minimum.
After the 21 years he can request to get out from the prison, most likely he wont so by then he will need to wait another 5 years to request again.
And so on it goes untill one day he MIGHT get out, or he will sit locked for the rest of hes life, thats how our jail system works with the "extensions" added to it.
It's hard today to say how Breivik will be in twenty years, but he claimed in hes manifest that he would continue hes "work" also in the prison.
The primary rules with the prison plus extensions is that the person, yes will most likely get out in the society one day, lifetime is VERY unlikely.
And to the ones critizing our court system and prisons, we have the most humane prison systems yes, but the best as the criminals who get out are the chances very low that they will repeat the crime, therefor better.
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I am mad. Isolate him and don't let him read newspaper, books, magasines and what else makes him proud of him self. It is patehtic that the journalists don't understand that more attention makes him stronger, pshycially.
I hope he die in prison, a real painful death.
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Death? He will suffer more with walls around him for 21 years, not to mention the weird random events can occur with the soap guys in prison, unless he get luxury in prison. 21 years... around a wall... better to suffer here than the afterlife but then...
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Why did they even have a trial. He should have been locked up for life the second he was caught. All the way through the trial he's been smiling and doing provoking salutes to victims. He obviously has no conscience.
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He won't get out,
Being a SANE terrorist with extremist political views, rehab won't help him at all, and everyone knows it. He will have his release delayed after each 21 years and so he will suffer in his 3 rooms not being able to get out forever.
I'd prefer having him tortured by hunger, to let him suffer, but since this is Norway, this suffices.
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Just throw him in a cell full of immigrants, he'll get what he deserves ;)
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Guys he wont really suffer in a Norwegian prison...
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html)
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I think that prison would convince more Norweigns to follow Breiviks footsteps and shoot/bomb 69 people.
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Guys he wont really suffer in a Norwegian prison...
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html)
Only the people in the jail aren't the nicest on earth. I do not think Breivik can go jogging on his own without security.
If Breivik will get out of jail after 21 years, a parent of one of the 70 kids will be older. I guess a parent of one of those 70 children will think about killing Breivik if he is out of jail. You can not understand the feeling of losing one of your children by a man like this. If not, someone else will eventually kill him. In my opinion this jail is better than an elderly home in The Netherlands. I wouldn't
mind to spend the last year(s)of my life in that jail!
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holy shit, that prison is as nice as living free. what kind of prison do these people run...
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Gandalf I am sorry but your wrong this time :redface:
He was sentenced as sane with 21 years in prison with extensions, 10 years minimum.
After the 21 years he can request to get out from the prison, most likely he wont so by then he will need to wait another 5 years to request again.
And so on it goes untill one day he MIGHT get out, or he will sit locked for the rest of hes life, thats how our jail system works with the "extensions" added to it.
It's hard today to say how Breivik will be in twenty years, but he claimed in hes manifest that he would continue hes "work" also in the prison.
The primary rules with the prison plus extensions is that the person, yes will most likely get out in the society one day, lifetime is VERY unlikely.
And to the ones critizing our court system and prisons, we have the most humane prison systems yes, but the best as the criminals who get out are the chances very low that they will repeat the crime, therefor better.
Read your own words: 10 years minimum.
So there is a chance that if the judges and health care workers decide he is no longer a threat to society in 10 years he will be released.
Remember that in Norway jail is not seen as a method for revenge, but for the convict to show remorse and prepare to return to society. With the connections and intelligence Breivik has, 10 years is more likely than 30.
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With the connections and intelligence Breivik has, 10 years is more likely than 30.
Haha intelligence? More like insanity!
And our groverment guaranteed that he would MOST likely never get out..
We'll see in a ten year period, because whatever happends he will be killed if he gets out.
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I think that prison would convince more Norweigns to follow Breiviks footsteps and shoot/bomb 69 people.
holy shit, that prison is as nice as living free. what kind of prison do these people run...
From an article : 5 Terrible Ideas That Solved Huge Global Problems
#3. Norway Reforms Convicts by Giving Them Insane Amounts of Freedom
The Plan:
U.S. prison system is far from perfect, but it's not like we have better options. Plus, the criminals totally deserve to rot in jail, with all the punishments and confinement and horrible food the judicial system can throw at them. The criminal element has to be punished somehow, and every country in the civilized world agrees that criminals should be dealt with in this way.
Except, that is, for Norway. They have come up with a prison system that actually treats the vast majority of its population nicely -- to the point that it seems like inmates might as well be in summer camps rather than correctional facilities. In Bastoy Prison, for example, residents (don't call them "prisoners" -- that's not sensitive) sentenced there actually seem to live the good life. Convicted pedophiles, drug dealers and even serial killers have access to a movie theater, tanning beds and even an occasional game of football with the guards.
During the summer, Norwegian prisoners go horseback riding and have barbecues. In winter, they freaking ski jump. And if they don't like the food the prison offers them, they're allowed to cook for themselves -- they're even issued knives.
And then there's Halden Prison. It's the second-largest prison in Norway, yet overcrowded cells that smell of feces and man-rape are nowhere to be found. Instead, the prison smells like orange sherbet of all things, and has a sound studio, jogging trails and a two-bedroom house where prisoners' families can spend time visiting.
See? This is what you get when you put a bunch of bleeding hearts in charge. With no deterrent in place, crime is probably through the roof!
How It Worked:
Extremely well, actually.
Norway has an incredibly low recidivism rate -- within two years of being released from jail, a Norwegian offender is only a third as likely to commit another crime as criminals from, say, the United States.
This is because unlike the U.S. justice system, which relies heavily on retribution, the Norwegian system believes in rehabilitation. The whole point of their prison system is to fix the criminal and turn him into a productive member of society. And, when you look at the statistics, it's working like there is no tomorrow. It's weird, it's almost like the shankings and man-rape in American prisons aren't teaching criminals to walk the straight and narrow.
And although teaching criminals how to behave in society by allowing them to live in relative comfort might insult our sense of justice, think which one you'd rather face on a dark alley: a person who served his sentence in a Norwegian prison, or one who rotted his term in the piss-soaked hellhole that is a U.S. prison and was then thrown back into the bright, normal world, wary and blinking?
Right.
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Haha intelligence? More like insanity!
And our groverment guaranteed that he would MOST likely never get out..
We'll see in a ten year period, because whatever happends he will be killed if he gets out.
Do you believe everything your government tells you ? :hah:
If people are seriously threatening to kill him, expect that the Government will pay for a protection program.
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I assume Norway doesn't have much(if any) violent street gangs?
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From an article : 5 Terrible Ideas That Solved Huge Global Problems
#3. Norway Reforms Convicts by Giving Them Insane Amounts of Freedom
The Plan:
U.S. prison system is far from perfect, but it's not like we have better options. Plus, the criminals totally deserve to rot in jail, with all the punishments and confinement and horrible food the judicial system can throw at them. The criminal element has to be punished somehow, and every country in the civilized world agrees that criminals should be dealt with in this way.
Except, that is, for Norway. They have come up with a prison system that actually treats the vast majority of its population nicely -- to the point that it seems like inmates might as well be in summer camps rather than correctional facilities. In Bastoy Prison, for example, residents (don't call them "prisoners" -- that's not sensitive) sentenced there actually seem to live the good life. Convicted pedophiles, drug dealers and even serial killers have access to a movie theater, tanning beds and even an occasional game of football with the guards.
During the summer, Norwegian prisoners go horseback riding and have barbecues. In winter, they freaking ski jump. And if they don't like the food the prison offers them, they're allowed to cook for themselves -- they're even issued knives.
And then there's Halden Prison. It's the second-largest prison in Norway, yet overcrowded cells that smell of feces and man-rape are nowhere to be found. Instead, the prison smells like orange sherbet of all things, and has a sound studio, jogging trails and a two-bedroom house where prisoners' families can spend time visiting.
See? This is what you get when you put a bunch of bleeding hearts in charge. With no deterrent in place, crime is probably through the roof!
How It Worked:
Extremely well, actually.
Norway has an incredibly low recidivism rate -- within two years of being released from jail, a Norwegian offender is only a third as likely to commit another crime as criminals from, say, the United States.
This is because unlike the U.S. justice system, which relies heavily on retribution, the Norwegian system believes in rehabilitation. The whole point of their prison system is to fix the criminal and turn him into a productive member of society. And, when you look at the statistics, it's working like there is no tomorrow. It's weird, it's almost like the shankings and man-rape in American prisons aren't teaching criminals to walk the straight and narrow.
And although teaching criminals how to behave in society by allowing them to live in relative comfort might insult our sense of justice, think which one you'd rather face on a dark alley: a person who served his sentence in a Norwegian prison, or one who rotted his term in the piss-soaked hellhole that is a U.S. prison and was then thrown back into the bright, normal world, wary and blinking?
Right.
Is it from---
*googles*
....yes, it's Cracked.
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We have a criminal gang in Norway called the B-gang, they are selling pot.
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We have a criminal gang in Norway called the B-gang, they are selling pot.
Very informative post, please write more soon!
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We have a criminal gang in Norway called the B-gang, they are selling pot.
:lol:
This must be why the prisons are nice.
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Learn the Norwegian system guys
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Learn the Norwegian system guys