Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: McGarrett on September 06, 2012, 05:34:24 pm
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The title says it all. Make it illegal to PM players for drugs. Firstly it's just another step away from roleplay, and it makes us look like some sort of freeroam / CNR server..
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I really like this idea
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The title says it all. Make it illegal to PM players for drugs. Firstly it's just another step away from roleplay, and it makes us look like some sort of freeroam / CNR server..
I agree with that. They must learn to RP and it's annoying when people just randomly contact you for drugs
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I agree with that. They must learn to RP and it's annoying when people just randomly contact you for drugs
PMing someone to sell your drugs is not a part of RP... which means it can not be illegal or legal..its just a normal talking.
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Its illegle to sell drugs but its not legle to call them for purchasing/selling drugs, you can contact your friend/druger to purchase/sell some.. ( anyways it has a same meaning :p )
TIp : if you don't want to get caught while selling your drugs then go to villages/hidden area s or inside houses.
Right,
For Selling/buying you can use your house or any other places which are away from PD or theres no cop around you.I think pming is the only way to contact other player in such a way that others cant know about deal.
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Not supported. Just simply PM back no. If the guy keeps report him to an admin.
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Not supported.
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The title says it all. Make it illegal to PM players for drugs. Firstly it's just another step away from roleplay, and it makes us look like some sort of freeroam / CNR server..
And how would the admins enforce this ?
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And how would the admins enforce this ?
If anyone's getting PMed they can use the /report function.
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Making it illegal would be made against the law.
Against the law = Roleplay
Making it a rule would made it against the rules.
Against the rules = rulebreaking.
I find PM not suitable as part of your RP. It's rather used to message somebody regarding something that isn't nescessarily related to roleplay. If somebody asks you to buy drugs, then that's a question wether or not you are interested. Sure, there are more convient ways to sell your stuff, but that comes to your own interests and likings of roleplay.
Making it against the rules would solve this issue, but I believe that is entirely unescessary and even silly.
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If anyone's getting PMed they can use the /report function.
/report is use for rules brakers/hackers not for illegal work(ING)
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/report is use for rules brakers/hackers not for illegal work(ING)
I want people doing /PM as an advantage to sell drugs and avoid from that part of RP, shall be a rulebreak.
Players should be visiting gang-hoods and sell their drugs there, or you can simply spare up your own and sell them to Gimli.. If players avoid the part of drug dealing RP, it should OF COURSE be an offence against the regulations
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Want to make it illegal ?
Use /phone, call someone
Tell him that you are selling drugs
He will /call 911 police
Then he will inform about your drugs Dealing
Other cops will come and investigate you..
Better than PMing stuff
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Want to make it illegal ?
Use /phone, call someone
Tell him that you are selling drugs
He will /call 911 police
Then he will inform about your drugs Dealing
Other cops will come and investigate you..
Better than PMing stuff
and that is a normal roleplay manner.. Of course they will might investigate you.
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I want people doing /PM as an advantage to sell drugs and avoid from that part of RP, shall be a rulebreak.
It looks like you're trying to enforce some type of "strict RP", while you may not be aiming for that ... but it does look like that from my point of view.
I can't see how this would benefit the server.
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asking someone for drugs is a potential RP start... It should be held in rp way
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Yes but not through PM. They must come up to you personally and then RP
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Let' face the facts and conclude this topic 'till now:
1.) PMing someone for drugs is not a start of a RP scenario. It's a start of /give ID weed/heroin amount.
2.) One claims "PMing someone should be allowed to avoid getting cops involved".
- And what are the police's work again? It does not only consider of chasing orange dots only. It consider, responding to 911 calls, investigating them properly, helping citizens and enforce the RP state laws.
3.) Another claims "It looks like you're trying to enforce some type of strict RP"
- No I am not trying to create Argonath into a real life RP server. But I thought we should have some limitations. I can't actually say that RP is the first thing I find when entering Argonath's server these days, but when we PM someone "Want to buy weed" or anything similar to that, it looks like some sort of a freeroam and Cops'n Robbers server, where you are trying to avoid the roleplay of a drug dealer.
If you want to deal drugs, you should of course do it RPly. It hurts me to see after all these years, that when anyone mentions "Please RP it" or anything like that, you go straight up to me, having a grudge against us who wish the RP better and go like "OMG you want to turn argonath into a real life rp server!!! /REPORT /REPORT!!" well, the answer is: No, we are not trying to turn Argonath into a RP server, we are trying to NOT turn it into a Cops'n Robbers / Freeroam server. That's all.
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Let' face the facts and conclude this topic 'till now:
1.) PMing someone for drugs is not a start of a RP scenario. It's a start of /give ID weed/heroin amount.
2.) One claims "PMing someone should be allowed to avoid getting cops involved".
- And what are the police's work again? It does not only consider of chasing orange dots only. It consider, responding to 911 calls, investigating them properly, helping citizens and enforce the RP state laws.
3.) Another claims "It looks like you're trying to enforce some type of strict RP"
- No I am not trying to create Argonath into a real life RP server. But I thought we should have some limitations. I can't actually say that RP is the first thing I find when entering Argonath's server these days, but when we PM someone "Want to buy weed" or anything similar to that, it looks like some sort of a freeroam and Cops'n Robbers server, where you are trying to avoid the roleplay of a drug dealer.
If you want to deal drugs, you should of course do it RPly. It hurts me to see after all these years, that when anyone mentions "Please RP it" or anything like that, you go straight up to me, having a grudge against us who wish the RP better and go like "OMG you want to turn argonath into a real life rp server!!! /REPORT /REPORT!!" well, the answer is: No, we are not trying to turn Argonath into a RP server, we are trying to NOT turn it into a Cops'n Robbers / Freeroam server. That's all.
Supported!!!!!
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I like the idea, though ... Do you really expect admins to check every PM, that comes in about drugs?
There are enough complaints in /report already, adding this rule might just flood the administration :hit:
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It is illegal. If someone PMs you selling drugs, call the cops.
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If someone PMs you selling drugs, call the cops.
I though PM was an OOC chat. As it is used for discussions outside of your character. If someone PMs you wanting to sell weed, there's nothing the cops can do as it's legal to be in possession of it but not publicly use or sell. However heroin can allow police involvement.
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I though PM was an OOC chat. As it is used for discussions outside of your character. If someone PMs you wanting to sell weed, there's nothing the cops can do as it's legal to be in possession of it but not publicly use or sell. However heroin can allow police involvement.
We don't believe in IC/ OOC. I could just say I found a letter with your phone number on, or you messaged me by FAX, or email or whatever.
Same thing if someone posts illegal advert in /ad or main chat.... cops can use that as evidence.
You could cry "omg I said in OOC you can't arrest me", well like I said, we don't support that here. If anyone does this, just makes them look a bit silly.
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Indeed Jcs, but using PM which is a private chat that is not relevant to the RP itself cannot be used as an evidence, however I find it more suitable for an admin punishment than a jail sentence.
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Still there are ways of communicating in the server which are perseved to be more out of character than in character. I know we do not believe in that here, but it seems a bit silly that cops would go after someone just because they sent you a PM saying "Wanna buy heroin". You need evidence to act on something, not to just go off what someone has said - they could be lying.
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Indeed Jcs, but using PM which is a private chat that is not relevant to the RP itself cannot be used as an evidence, however I find it more suitable for an admin punishment than a jail sentence.
Here you are wRONg, and really I would not waste any admin time on this. Not that it could be enforced anyway.
Why rely on admins when you can clearly solve this through RP. Admins not busy enough already?
it seems a bit silly that cops would go after someone just because they sent you a PM saying "Wanna buy heroin". You need evidence to act on something, not to just go off what someone has said - they could be lying.
So what if they say they are lying, its RP... use imagination. Somehow it is silly to RP with this (i.e. cops actually investigating a report from civilian, rather than chasing orange men), yet perfectly logical to contact admins because someone is trying to sell you drugs?... :conf: Just tell them you would rather they contact by phone in future? Is it that hard?
Only need to contact admins if they are spamming you constantly when you already asked them not to send these messages.
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And how would the admins enforce this ?
Oowww, don't say that admins can't read PM, not speaking about CB ;)
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If anyone's getting PMed they can use the /report function.
And how would admins know that you are telling the truth and not just trying to get a player punished ?
Oowww, don't say that admins can't read PM, not speaking about CB ;)
Admins can not read it. Managers and higher can if they wish to have 10 lines per second spam.
As far as I know only Aragorn, Boromir and me are able to handle that for longer than 2 minutes.
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I hardly doubt that any players will risk and lie to an administrator about lying in PM. Or you could just make a ProxDecetor include in the next RS5 script where you detect if anyone PMs "Selling drugs" or anything like that, like only admins can check it.
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And how would admins know that you are telling the truth and not just trying to get a player punished ?Admins can not read it. Managers and higher can if they wish to have 10 lines per second spam.
As far as I know only Aragorn, Boromir and me are able to handle that for longer than 2 minutes.
i don know about scripting servers yet
but couldnt it be possible to make a filter showing the pms of a special id?
And just another thing, gandalf, you dont like illegal ads, as seen in the ''illegal ads'' topic, but PMing everyone except cops and A-team is excactly the same ...
Or would you sms everyone in you thelephone book about selling drugs?
I wouldt even sms my closest frriends to sell drugs, i would handle it by talking to each other, and it should be the same on argonath
(this is an example, im not really selling drugs in rl :P)
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You guys make such a big deal about those PM.. just tell the guy "no". We don't need script and shit that will waste admin time for nothing. We have more important things to do.
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You guys make such a big deal about those PM.. just tell the guy "no". We don't need script and shit that will waste admin time for nothing. We have more important things to do.
The thing is that those PMs makes Argonath look like a cops'n robbers server / freeroam, and in my opinion it drags Argonath's reputation in RPG down as they isolate themselves from the actual roleplaying role as a drug dealer.
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i don know about scripting servers yet
but couldnt it be possible to make a filter showing the pms of a special id?
And just another thing, gandalf, you dont like illegal ads, as seen in the ''illegal ads'' topic, but PMing everyone except cops and A-team is excactly the same ...
Or would you sms everyone in you thelephone book about selling drugs?
I wouldt even sms my closest frriends to sell drugs, i would handle it by talking to each other, and it should be the same on argonath
(this is an example, im not really selling drugs in rl :P)
Lets make it clear I do not approve of it, and anyone who tries with me might get a reply telling him not to do it, with explanation.
Having said that, admins are not kindergarten teachers who are there to wipe your ass and blow your nose. Giving them the task to verify if a player did something as trivial and unimportant like that in PM would take time away from handling about 10 other reports.
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Lets make it clear I do not approve of it, and anyone who tries with me might get a reply telling him not to do it, with explanation.
Having said that, admins are not kindergarten teachers who are there to wipe your ass and blow your nose. Giving them the task to verify if a player did something as trivial and unimportant like that in PM would take time away from handling about 10 other reports.
I agree with Gandalf .
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The thing is that those PMs makes Argonath look like a cops'n robbers server / freeroam, and in my opinion it drags Argonath's reputation in RPG down as they isolate themselves from the actual roleplaying role as a drug dealer.
The player may drag himself down, but he does not represent the entire community.
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Ooh, even thought I have left the community I will support this, pming someone abouy selling or buyinh drucs should be a rulebreak as the members often pm the hole server list with all the ID's. Making it a kind of illegal advertisment, witch is a rulebreak and someone might to tell me why thats a rule if you still let them advertis it in peoples pm. The roleplay of being drug dealer has never been so boring, insted of people knowinh that 'aah on that corner they sell drugs' or witch guy you should accualy call and speak code words with to get you're package of drugs. Insted there is a mafia dude pming you, I myself always say 'no' and tells them to roleplay it if they want to buy - so far only ONE has accualy tried to rp it after I told him so. Cheet to him for trying, but what about the othet group of drug buyers. I also do think this fast way of buying drugs cuases more scams, scams on new hard working members happens. It would be so much more fun if you accualy could see the balls standing on their corner slangin' drugs to the cars witch passes buy. Guess now you'll have to pm people if they want to buy/sell, and it ruins so many good roleplays you could have with the drugs.
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Ooh, even thought I have left the community I will support this, pming someone abouy selling or buyinh drucs should be a rulebreak as the members often pm the hole server list with all the ID's. Making it a kind of illegal advertisment, witch is a rulebreak and someone might to tell me why thats a rule if you still let them advertis it in peoples pm. The roleplay of being drug dealer has never been so boring, insted of people knowinh that 'aah on that corner they sell drugs' or witch guy you should accualy call and speak code words with to get you're package of drugs. Insted there is a mafia dude pming you, I myself always say 'no' and tells them to roleplay it if they want to buy - so far only ONE has accualy tried to rp it after I told him so. Cheet to him for trying, but what about the othet group of drug buyers. I also do think this fast way of buying drugs cuases more scams, scams on new hard working members happens. It would be so much more fun if you accualy could see the balls standing on their corner slangin' drugs to the cars witch passes buy. Guess now you'll have to pm people if they want to buy/sell, and it ruins so many good roleplays you could have with the drugs.
If one person enjoyes PM'ing over 100 ID's with the same question, then that is his own waste of time. What is good though is that you attempt to give him a different approach so that eventually he may try other ways to sell his drugs in a more roleplaying matter. It's all about finding your way around. We all know that with a little help, finding your way can happen much faster than being on your own.
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If a player PMs you about buying or selling drugs either ignore it, or what I typically say is "I don't roleplay through PM" they'll most likely stop PMing you once they realize that sending out PMs about this doesn't work..
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And how would admins know that you are telling the truth and not just trying to get a player punished?
Gandalf is correct. This idea is hard to enforce because people may not be telling the truth. Likewise with the police they will only get involved if evidence shows the person has committed a crime.
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If somebody offers you drugs through PM, either say No, don't answer, or turn your PM off.
It's a 'Private Message', it's between 2 people exclusively, nothing to do with admins. Nobody forces you to buy the drugs, and there's no feasible way of monitoring.
As already mentioned, if made illegal, there would be people trying to get others in the sh!t, with no evidence, and would create a sh!tload more reports for something which you can deal with yourself through /setpm off
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Wanna buy weepons? 5 percent discountaa, you go now you come 5 minute latah and bam, sold for 5 dollah, 10 minute ago it was 10 dollah, i told you. told you.
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Also take in mind that /PM is not accepted as valid evidence when submitting reports whether it be ARPD reports, or roleplay reports and situation in general. Therefore, you wanting to make this illegal goes against that entire system of non-roleplay so I won't happen. As mentioned pull your big boy pants up and ignore it.