Next thing, the pope in Lebanon gets killed. Alot of conspiracy involved here.Nah, The pope is with the president in Beirut, trust me he's safe dawg
Next thing, the pope in Lebanon gets killed. Alot of conspiracy involved here.He's safe... the protesters aren't dumb enough to kill the pope.. they know what would happen.
I have no idea which brainless guy started this, but the movie is not worth it.Egyptian american guy using an alias. It was a very low budget movie, funded by his family. The members of which should just go bury themselves and save us the trouble.
Nothing different about it. A movie disrespecting your religion does not give you the right to destroy someone's property and kill people. You may feel angry, sure. You may try your best to stop the movie from being spread, though giving such amount of demonstration only makes it famous.When I heard about the movie.. I just laughed it off and falsely wished the guy "good luck" surviving the next week.
But destroying property and killing people because you feel disrespected ? Stop living in the Middle Ages.
Nothing different about it. A movie disrespecting your religion does not give you the right to destroy someone's property and kill people. You may feel angry, sure. You may try your best to stop the movie from being spread, though giving such amount of demonstration only makes it famous.
But destroying property and killing people because you feel disrespected ? Stop living in the Middle Ages.
It was just announced that one guy was killed in the egyptian demonstrations today, see where we reached, are our lives real that cheap to be lost in such a way with such a reason?
Eveything is going well as planned for the west
>publish an offensive film agaisnt islam
>muslims starts protests and riots and make of it a huge event for the media to cover
>US invade libya while arabs/muslim countires are busy taking care of their own people.
>US wins OIL.
lul
Remember that USA lost an ambassador and few marine members themself..Do i need really to remind you that it was a part of the plan aswell ? they needed a reason to invade libya so they make up the story as an excuse ? not something new,they already sacrfied the biggest business centers in the world with americans in it to invade Afghanistan,learn from the past,US doesnt give a flying f**k about its own people in order to go on.
Do i need really to remind you that it was a part of the plan aswell ? they needed a reason to invade libya so they make up the story as an excuse ? not something new,they already sacrfied the biggest business centers in the world with americans in it,learn from the past,us doesnt give a flying f**k about its own people in order to go on.
they already sacrfied the biggest business centers in the world with americans in it to invade Afghanistan
US won't pull another Iraq. If it concerns Libya and Syria the UN and NATO would have a hissy fit. The US are too scared to monger another illegal war.UN,NATO are just something US and its allies hiding their war crimes behind.
When I heard about the movie.. I just laughed it off and falsely wished the guy "good luck" surviving the next week.
Eveything is going well as planned for the west
>publish an offensive film agaisnt islam
>muslims starts protests and riots and make of it a huge event for the media to cover
>US invade libya while arabs/muslim countires are busy taking care of their own people.
>US wins OIL.
lul
So you think it was ACTUALLY Islamic extremists that flew the plane into those buildings? HA-fuckin-HA.
Now that's really wrong..
So you think it was ACTUALLY Islamic extremists that flew the plane into those buildings? HA-f**kin-HA.
Yes, even if my belives are oppisite, comman sense makes me belive so, I mean who would destroy one of their greatest economy source and kill hundred of his people just to invade some contry that has nothing...
Nothing? Really? You have no idea how much the U.S. made out of invading Afghanistan and Iraq.
Yes, even if my belives are oppisite, comman sense makes me belive so, I mean who would destroy one of their greatest economy source and kill hundred of his people just to invade some contry that has nothing...
:((Justin Timberlake - What Goes Around...Comes Around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOrnUquxtwA#ws)
Man USA should arrest the film maker, just for the ammount of American citizens and goverment officals mudered.. Then don't punish him, just throw him outta the plane in any arab contry, and they'll handle itThey should do something about that film-maker dubbing up the words into something it was never intended for. It is outrageous and it doesn't, nor should it be the image of how America (USA) is. I find it to be unacceptable and wrong.
@Taylor_P
The very post reflects your character very well for us. I guess you are proud of what you are in this world.
Why wont you guys understand that religion is a f**king joke. World will be a much better place when the rest of the religious idiots will finally realize that there is no stupid God. And the Kuran and the Bible are just worthless books filled with fairytails. Literary waste of ink and trees.That's flaming to both of religions that's no acceptable things , and why you're flaming the Holy Quran ??,Praying to a cow/sun/Statue isn't mentally something good , Please Janek or anyone remove this Shit immediatly it will make big shit storm he flaming all religions Please Thanks
they already sacrfied the biggest business centers in the world with americans in it to invade AfghanistanYou're an idiot.
Back to your cave.CabronPlease Ray talk in better way ? Thats not way tell him as Omar ^^ or as i said to him i'am trying to be calm i eated more that 4 Ice pieces to be calm :D ignore him let him talk to him self
You can now watch Iran , you can see they can't invent or do anything , you know why ? Cuz they left the world , and they saw the result of this shit ...
Because we see our Prophet (PBUH) as a symbol, love and respect. We believe he was given to mankind as mercy and love from God. If you really think, we Muslims, would stand idle while his name get insulted, you are wrong. We are not the west where people make fun of Isa, (PBUH) and mock him greatly by various means.
"Go on mocking, surely Allah will bring forth what you fear"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_U.S._diplomatic_missions_attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_U.S._diplomatic_missions_attacks)good
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19600542 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19600542)
Sudanese protesters smashed windows at the German embassy, started a fire in front of the main gate, and pulled down an emblem to raise an Islamic flag, Reuters reported.
One witness said demonstrators hoisted a black Islamic flag saying in white letters "there is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet". They smashed windows, cameras and furniture in the building and then started a fire. Police had earlier tried to disperse protesters who had surrounded the German and nearby British embassy by firing volleys of teargas but no officers could be seen at the front gate after the storming.
"The embassy staff are safe at the moment," German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said in a statement on Friday.
Cairo's protests spread out to the streets beyond the immediate vicinity of the US embassy. Police fired weapons in the air and tried to disperse the crowd with tear gas. Earlier a group of young males opened a new front of clashes with the police force near Cairo's Qasr al-Nil bridge.
Yemeni security forces blocked streets surrounding the US embassy in Sanaa, firing water cannons and warning shots to disperse crowds protesting against a US-made film deemed blasphemous to Islam. Demonstrators stormed the heavily fortified compound and clashed with police on Thursday. At least one person died and 15 were injured at Thursday's demonstration.
The Algerian website El Shorouq reported that in the last 48 hours the men who attacked the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya on Tuesday escaped to Turkey and Egypt, heading for Syria. The suspects, aware that US marines and the FBI are hunting for them, made a rapid departure, El Shorouq said.
Security alert
Thousands of angry Kashmiri Muslims in Srinagar, India burned US flags and called US President Barack Obama a `'terrorist," while the top government cleric reportedly demanded Americans leave the volatile Indian-controlled region immediately. At least 15,000 people took part in more than two dozen protests across Kashmir, chanting `'Down with America" and `'Down with Israel" in some of the largest anti-American demonstrations against the film in Asia.
Hundreds also gathered at a mosque in Yemen's capital near the US embassy after Friday prayers, carrying placards and shouting slogans against the film, which depicts the Prophet Mohammad in terms some Muslims consider to be crude and insulting.
"Deport the US ambassador! Death to America, death to Israel," one sign read. Some burned the American flag while others called for the expulsion of the US envoy in Sanaa.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denounced the "disgusting and reprehensible" video that has sparked such outrage, but she added that the violence over its appearance on the internet was not justified.
"The United States government had absolutely nothing to do with this video," she said. "We absolutely reject its content and message. To us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible.
For many Muslims, any depiction of the Prophet is blasphemous and caricatures or other characterisations have in the past provoked violent protests across the Muslim world.
Embassy shutdown
Local media in Yemen reported that a group of US marines had flown into Sanaa's international airport on Thursday to bolster embassy security. The embassy told US citizens in Yemen that they expected more protests and would close consular services on Saturday. The embassy is always closed on Thursdays and Fridays, which are not working days in Yemen.
The protests follow Tuesday night's storming of the US Consulate and a safe house in Benghazi, Libya, in which the US ambassador and three other Americans were killed. President Barack Obama said the perpetrators would be tracked down and ordered two destroyers to head to the Libyan coast.
Protesters blamed the US for the film, posted on YouTube under several titles, including "Innocence of Muslims". Washington has condemned the film.
Demonstrations have also taken place in Doha, Tunis, Gaza City, Tehran, Malaysia, India and beyond.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19602177 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19602177)
I wont post the film here, but you can find it yourself if you search for it.
I prefer to close this Topic and remove because it will create shitstorm,Thank you.
If that is how you see the world then I hope you got a bomb shelter and a plan for December 20th 2012.
Are people really coming here just to flame each other?
u are american so u can act like donkey pig dog that is having no logics or mentalities that are acceptable by human standard??? if this is how you are acting,, maybe you need edsxtermination, i am not even joking, say what you want do what you want, in the end you will see who is getting a job and many cash and success and improving the world (me) and who is in a debt for his life and crying saying " i wish i listened to ness he told me to stop being khawal ibn haywan sharmoot amriki and open my nose" , just take the truth your country is not the right ones here, the arab is not civilise for you ??? you rather the war affect innocent instead of annihilate killering soldiers of the sides???? the arab are brute for you , yes?? destroying their enemies? atleast they are target their enemy and not the people of their enemy, pig ! the arab are the best people do not deny this, they are the best with the russians and the chinese.( and some brazilian and argentines) your lifestyle is destruction to the good things . say what u want, ponyboi. say it well, for u are days of enjoyment will grow short after u are leaving ur mediocre educational centre designed for indebting u to the dogs of america.
LOL both ness and flaken you too are good at being parasprites so to answer your question ness I know the US aint prefect but were not the ones ground around kill arabs just we found something they said Offensive, HOW many anti American videos, books, pictures, etc are there probably tons you dont see us doing the same thing, the reason is we dont care but your killing because someone said one persons name and its blasphemy, wake up the western world has evolved from your dark ages era of thinking perhaps you should join us in 21 century philosophy, cause somehow you have mastered the internet yet failed how to use it properly.
Question to the muslims here that are in support of all this shit.
LOL both ness and flaken you too are good at being parasprites so to answer your question ness I know the US aint prefect but were not the ones ground around kill arabs
And if crazy muslims want to take out their anger on lives, property, and the reputation of their religion, that's cool too.
The opponents of Islam got what they wanted. Muslims have shown themselves in the worst way they can.
Countries bombed by the USA in the last 60 years: ( Arab countries are highlighted )Is it just me or is the amount of attacks on middle east between 1990 up to date alot more than before ? My speculation is the trending "Muslims are terrorists, let's invade their countries instead" false flag operation which lead to Lebanon, Iran / Palestine and/or other similar countries not being free and safe at all anymore. Sad, sad, my brothers.
Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War)
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-1961
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Lebanon 1983, 1984 (both Lebanese and Syrian targets)
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Iran 1987
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991 (Persian Gulf War)
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1993
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Yemen 2002
Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis)
Iraq 2003-05
Afghanistan 2001-05
Compare the act against your embassies, to your act of war.
No offence but...
>9/11 apparently worst thing ever, blame all Muslims and Arabs
>Hiroshima. TWICE.
Anyway. As for this rioting malarky...you wouldn't see Christians doing anything like that. Oh wait, the gay marriage debate.
But seriously, Islam is a religion of peace? How contradictory can you get. Whatever happened to diplomacy and talking it over? Now every bloke and his granny have to go storm embassies and shit, basically wanting trouble and trying the hand of countries far more powerful. I mean hell, places in the UK were being attacked. What the f**k did the UK even do in this apart from having a US Embassy?
Other religions can take the heat and have done for years. Why can't Muslims do the same? Are they somehow different from the rest of us? Is there religion vastly superior to any other out there?
Other religions can take the heat and have done for years. Why can't Muslims do the same? Are they somehow different from the rest of us? Is there religion vastly superior to any other out there?
Several hundred protesters gathered in front of the U.S. embassy in London, where they burned an American flag
in front of the U.S. embassy in London, where they burned an American flag
U.S. embassy in London
in London
burned an American Flag
How bold of them to burn an American flag on British streets. I doubt Britain really cares to be honest.I doubt they don't, given that the United States is one of their major allies. If the Muslims turn this into a big enough issue, it could come down to Great Britain deciding between the demands of protesters/rioters to stop the violence, but angering the U.S., or siding with the U.S. to avoid treaty problems, and pissing off a few thousand people that could attack the British government next. It's not a great situation for either side.
The opponents of Islam got what they wanted. Muslims have shown themselves in the worst way they can.
They are so predictable and easy to provoke, which will give support to their enemies.
There was a time when Christians would react equal against anyone who did not support their religion, which caused a lot of harm. Christians understood after long time that not they shall judge the act of those who mock them, but God.
It is time for Muslims to understand the same. If a mockery happens, allow Allah to punish those who mock you and do not gather support for your enemies.
Eveything is going well as planned for the west
>publish an offensive film agaisnt islam
>muslims starts protests and riots and make of it a huge event for the media to cover
>US invade libya while arabs/muslim countires are busy taking care of their own people.
>US wins OIL.
lul
So inevitably what you're saying is they have been fed lies by their parents and elders, been brainwashed since they were born into a false sense of their own religion?
Apparently, you're giving out advices to young Muslims on your community. Which side are you on to do so and talk about the opponents of Islam "who got what they wanted" due the current events in the world like It's already planned?I am not on any side. I am just trying to open the eyes of those who feel it is right to destroy property and kill people because of a movie.
I am not on any side. I am just trying to open the eyes of those who feel it is right to destroy property and kill people because of a movie.
Perhaps next time someone posts a movie about Argonath we will kill his teacher and burn the flag of his city....
I am not on any side. I am just trying to open the eyes of those who feel it is right to destroy property and kill people because of a movie.
Perhaps next time someone posts a movie about Argonath we will kill his teacher and burn the flag of his city....
So inevitably what you're saying is they have been fed lies by their parents and elders, been brainwashed since they were born into a false sense of their own religion?
What I am saying is something that people like you wouldn't understand because you live in an advanced country and your public schools are probably million times better than our schools. There are many factors that force students not to be religious and turn into ignorant and violent people. Corrupt governments and officials lead to very expensive education. The minster of education builds low quality schools, provides bad curricula and hires untrained and unprofessional teachers due the lack of sufficient budget in the country. Poverty forces parents to sign up for their kids in public schools. School staff and teachers don't provide the students progression to their parents which leads to lack of interest at home, therefore students do whatever they want and their parents never know. Students find the teachers and curricula are too boring and strict and they escape from school and skip the rest of the year by hanging out with their friends instead of going to school...etc.
Hahahah!I'm just stating that we're not as advanced as other countries..
Duel really? Complaining about that? You havent seen Norway bro :redface:
You haven't seen the sort of salaries in South Africa, nor have you seen the BEE - Black Economical Empowerment program.
Basically meaning black people get the jobs over white people, even if the white person has more qualifications/experience. ;)
Now back on topic.
I've just noticed this riots going on about this video.
My first impression is what in the name of...
Okay, the video may be offensive for some, but I don't see that as a reason to go kill other people in the street for it. To me it is like a bunch of uncontrolled redheads waiting for something like this to happen so they have something to blame their aggresivity for.
If Jesus is being made fun of, nobody goes on the street and make a riot nor kill diplomats from the Middle-East or Asia. Great example is the 'Life of Brian'. I have all respect that people may feel offended, that is their full right as I would be offended too if I was Islam, killing someone is simply no excuse and the person that does commit such crimes should be killed aswell, to my opinion.
If you and Duel think purchasing snakes:neutral:?
It is the same topic. Those riots and violent acts happened for the same reasons that made us 'struggle' to live. At least your country is still more clean and better than mine. You and all the other South Africans I met are very mature people and able of speaking English fluently. People here can barely pronounce English words correctly, shamefully I'm also one of them. If you and Duel think purchasing snakes and basic foods is one of the biggest problems then you're wrong. You two are educated and still have a better chance to afford a good life. Education is everything.
And what on earth does purchasing snakes have to do with anything? :neutral:That's what I was wondering about.. :conf:
I am pretty sure that I highlighted my point in the previous post. What you are doing is, advising the young Muslims that none of them agrees "it is right to destroy property and kill people due a movie". The people that you're trying to "open their eyes" are out there not here. And according to your second sentence, It seems like you're gloating over the violence acts caused by poor people who aren't educated well like I mentioned earlier. To get a better education in Egypt, parents have to pay over 30,000 EPG per year for their kids which is something most of people here cannot afford.If I look at the posts that were removed I clearly saw some who actually seemed to support the violence.
Misinformation. The producer is an Egyptian Copt, the director seems to be a former D-movie director.
Also I read that the creator of the movie was a son of a Hamas Militant who defected to Israel and the movie was funded by Jewish background people with around 5 million dollars.
And what on earth does purchasing snakes have to do with anything?
If I look at the posts that were removed I clearly saw some who actually seemed to support the violence.+++1 gandalf :neutral:
As for education, I believe edication about how to live your life has nothing to do with being rich or being able to attend a school. Further more, anyone who has no such possibility could never have seen the movie, and there for certainly has no right to riot. Misinformation. The producer is an Egyptian Copt, the director seems to be a former D-movie director.
If I look at the posts that were removed I clearly saw some who actually seemed to support the violence.
As for education, I believe edication about how to live your life has nothing to do with being rich or being able to attend a school. Further more, anyone who has no such possibility could never have seen the movie, and there for certainly has no right to riot. Misinformation. The producer is an Egyptian Copt, the director seems to be a former D-movie director.
If Jesus is being made fun of, nobody goes on the street and make a riot nor kill diplomats from the Middle-East or Asia.
There is no such thing called "Education about how to live your life". School is a place where kids go there to learn about almost everything. Science, math, languages and social activities and so on. If you're talking about raising children then It's a whole different thing. How can poor people learn to behave and react in a civilized way If their parents didn't teach them to do so? As I'm still against those people who broke into the U.S embassy, but I still can't blame them directly. They didn't choose to live in the lowest level of the Egyptian society.If their parents did not teach them, they are a problem.
Do people that live in the lowest level of the Egyptian society have computers and internet?The thing I've noticed about the society I'm part of.... is that rage spreads like a virus. If one person gets mad about something, so does his family, so do his neighbors, so do their neighbors, and so on. Internet or no internet, one's bound to know.
The thing I've noticed about the society I'm part of.... is that rage spreads like a virus. If one person gets mad about something, so does his family, so do his neighbors, so do their neighbors, and so on. Internet or no internet, one's bound to know.I am sure that is happening, but it also shows that there is actually no ground. Rage spreads because some person tells he saw a remark about something that someone posted, and as a result they riot.
It's like that here in LB... it's most probably the same in Egypt.
I am sure that is happening, but it also shows that there is actually no ground. Rage spreads because some person tells he saw a remark about something that someone posted, and as a result they riot.I guess it's been building up. They just needed the slightest reason (whether rational or not) to riot.
It has nothing to do with education, or even religion. People are mad about their situation, and in the countries where the worst protests were (Egypt/Lybia/Afghanistan) the thing they raged against (America) had little to do with the movie or their religion.
If their parents did not teach them, they are a problem.Focus and reread my previous comments and you'll find out how did they become a problem. As for their access to the internet, It's not the only way to know about the movie. There are cheap internet cafes, TV channels and words get around really fast on the streets. Probably some people got paid to attack the U.S embassy and then the rest of the ignorant people followed their path.
However my question is this: Do people that live in the lowest level of the Egyptian society have computers and internet? If not, how have they seen this movie? If they have not seen the movie, how can they be so enraged towards America that they attack the Embassy?
And bt my compliments for your English, you have truly improved since you came here first.
If I look at the posts that were removed I clearly saw some who actually seemed to support the violence.I would love to see those posts.
Question to ask, "Would christian people do the same if a muslim made such a movie?"Those Muslims who broke into the U.S embassies don't represent at least 1 percent of Muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world) on the entire planet.
(Not choosing sides, I am no christian, neither muslim.)
Question to ask, "Would christian people do the same if a muslim made such a movie?"The only difference between Arabian Muslims and Christians is what we believe in. Why would we mock each other If we have different beliefs? You want to worship that sofa over there? Then go ahead nobody is going to stop you as long as you're a lawful person. It's just like someone who likes Pepsi and other person prefers Coca Cola. Would you attack him because of that reason? Of course not.
(Not choosing sides, I am no christian, neither muslim.)
The producer is an Egyptian Copt, the director seems to be a former D-movie director.
enraged towards America
Thank f**k I'm an Atheist and don't have to go through with all this religious, in my view, utter shite
PS. If you can't deal with a bit of criticism and people's views, don't bother reading or paying attention to them.
If i dress up as a gangster and blow up the Empire state building, would South Africa get invaded?If it has resources. ;)
If i dress up as a gangster and blow up the Empire state building, would South Africa get invaded?
Focus and reread my previous comments and you'll find out how did they become a problem. As for their access to the internet, It's not the only way to know about the movie. There are cheap internet cafes, TV channels and words get around really fast on the streets. Probably some people got paid to attack the U.S embassy and then the rest of the ignorant people followed their path.But did you ever watch the movie yourself? If you did, you would understand that if this is the best enemies of Islam can make then you have nothing to worry about...
I attended the beginning of the movie announcements, there were loads of Facebook pages and news websites advertising and describing how bad is the movie. The movie became more popular than 21 Jump street and other world wide movies in a few days. People started to ask questions about it, and that's how it became known in the Middle East. Rest of the world knew only about it due the U.S embassy attacks. If anyone with low IQ has concluded these events, he would defiantly tell you the whole thing was planned to ruin the Muslims reputation once again like they did in 9/11.
I am not really proud for improving my English because being able to speak this language isn't a must. Those people invaded my country and effected my culture.On the contrary, you are now able to communicate with people from many places in the world, combined by one language. While it is true the English once invaded Egypt, they were just one in a long line that started with the Romans...
Wow! You have just criticized yourself.
Same story as with 9/11. Few muslims fly a planes into the twin towers. But does that make all muslims evil? No.
But did you ever watch the movie yourself? If you did, you would understand that if this is the best enemies of Islam can make then you have nothing to worry about...
There is no such thing called "Education about how to live your life". School is a place where kids go there to learn about almost everything.School may be a place of learning, but it is not the only place...and it is definitely not where kids go to learn everything. Schools generally only teach things that are supposed to apply to life, although that is obviously not always the case in our modern age. Generally they are only there to learn math, language, sciences, history, and in some cases, social studies and religious studies. Had schools been working the way they are supposed to, I'd be agreeing with you completely on what you said...but unfortunately it doesn't work that way worldwide anymore.
If you're talking about raising children then It's a whole different thing. How can poor people learn to behave and react in a civilized way If their parents didn't teach them to do so?That is the fault of their parents, not of the money their family has. Regardless, each human being is still responsible for themselves. Parents are there to guide children in the right direction. If those children decide to go a different route, it is of their own choice. They can still choose to learn how to be civilized, even if their parents didn't teach them. It's just a bit more difficult when making that choice later on down the road.
It's forbidden in Islam to kill unarmed men, women, children and oldies. If those groups actually exist in reality and they aren't funded by Jewish organizations, and they think killing innocent people is one of Islam objects. They'll still get punished from God. However, lot's of people in the United States realize It was planned to ruin Islam reputation.
If I look at the posts that were removed I clearly saw some who actually seemed to support the violence.
I would love to see those posts.
That is the fault of their parents, not of the money their family has. Regardless, each human being is still responsible for themselves. Parents are there to guide children in the right direction. If those children decide to go a different route, it is of their own choice. They can still choose to learn how to be civilized, even if their parents didn't teach them. It's just a bit more difficult when making that choice later on down the road.
It's forbidden in Islam to kill unarmed men, women, children and oldies. If those groups actually exist in reality and they aren't funded by Jewish organizations, and they think killing innocent people is one of Islam objectives. They'll still get punished from God. However, lot's of people in the United States realize It was planned to ruin Islam reputation.
It's a big sin for us to watch movies that show the prophets (PBUT) or their companions (PBUT) in any aspect, if the person had no knowledge of it, he is forgiven. In other cases, the video will only cause more negative feelings.
This might be weird but you sound really innocent. It's completely different in a third world country. Learn Arabic, move to Egypt, live with a very simple family and then join Egyptian high school or University not the fancy ones that's If you want to know the difference between our society and you society.I know from a society standpoint things are different, but it doesn't change what I said. People are still in control of themselves, and money has nothing to do with it. I will agree that money can sometimes make opportunities easier to obtain, but it does not mean you can't obtain them without it.
You are a bright person, why don't you figure it out. ^.^I am not trying to look arrogant but that type of people don't deserve our time to "discuss subjects" with them. I already did that in the past with some others like him a few years ago, and the only thing I got from their arguments is, not being able to spend enough time for my priorities in real life. Trust me, he won't stop arguing with you.
Dem conspiracy theories. I love how everyone who is an "enemy" of Islam is a Jew, or anyone who does anything against them is a Jew. Is like, the entire Western world viewed as Jewish in the eyes in the Middle-East? Or are they just so far up their own arses they don't really care for the rest of the world and go on assumptions?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_involving_Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_involving_Israel)
Killing unarmed people not of Islam seems to be fine given all the shit going on in the world now a days.
Do you know how does it feel when someone talks about something that he doesn't know anything about it? Well probably not.
This is the first time ever I run out of words to explain my point of view to a person because I'm shocked and disappointed. You really should not to talk about an issue If it doesn't involve you.
I am not hating on Islam, I am not talking down about it more than I do any other religion as I have my own beliefs. I can respect people's faith and religion, but christ, when innocent people die because of some "thing" that only a certain number of people believe in it's clearly time to get out of the dark ages and move into the modern world.
Once again I don't want to waste my time but this paragraph got my eyes. My first reaction is, what are you talking about? I've already told you killing innocent people is forbidden. If those people claim they're "Religious Muslims". Either way, they got paid to do so or just ignorant. If you still want to believe that Muslims are terrorists, then go ahead. I can't change your mind because you don't want to accept the truth from the first place. Anyone can also commit crimes and claim that "Whatever his name is" did it.
It's a big sin for us to watch movies that show the prophets (PBUT) or their companions (PBUT) in any aspect, if the person had no knowledge of it, he is forgiven. In other cases, the video will only cause more negative feelings.Its just as big a sin not to follow the Muslim ways. So are you going to kill everyone?
Its just as big a sin not to follow the Muslim ways. So are you going to kill everyone?
Qatar are currently amassing billion of dollars to make a movie as response to this one.
These people call themselves Muslims.. I didn't know that vandalism/assaulting innocent people is allowed..The Greek.
And you wonder why Muslim countries are not developing.. 1000 years ago, Muslims (Palestinians) were at their science peak, who you think created Algebra?
The Greek.
Indeed i recived warning for flaming but the bro who flamed all religions Didn't recieve any thing ,Any way that is not my point Do you want to know why i go the warning because i defended the religions who got flamed all religions not just Islam if Christians and jewish people got flamed holy books go flamed but what i want to say that i agree with every word Gandalf & Caltson said ,Really Gandalf you're talking wisely i know you aren't muslim but when you feel that you is getting insulted and not insulted only but some people accusing you of being terrorism , When i replied to this guy who flamed i just told him go pray to your cow or what ever called please don't flame another religions ,But if you were muslim and get insulted you will feel mad inside and what to punch the screen to the one who flames you thats all i want to say we are muslims we are following what our holy book says Our books say,Don't kill anybody even he was Christian or doesn't have religion any way even when we in war and he is in your country you must secure him as your brother,you just read what my religion said is that what you call terrorism i don't think so , Every Religion have exceptions some muslims who i consider them not muslims like "ElQuada" or " Talban " Those people Islam don't consider them as muslims Our book say "if muslim killed a believer in god intentionally, his recompense is hell " truth of Great Allah I don't think some one have response after what i said That was my messege i believe any one in my place will do as i did.
Then i can also say that the Indians, Romans or Babylonians were the first to invent Algebra...Please tell me how Arabs created these 1234567890 numbers we use up to this date.
The Greek.
This is history which is taught in high school courses of the UK and i dont think that they are false.
Diopahtus, a Greek Mathematician has been hailed as the creator of Algebra for years....it's only recently that there's been debate whether this is legitimate or not.
there is no debate. These are facts. If any of you people go to universities or colleges I suggest you ask your professors.
you ask about sources.. you serious?
go look in any history book created by world top universities such as Cambridge or Oxford or any book for that matter and you'll find it.
btw did you go college?
The creators of Algebra were the Babylonians, as with many Mathematical theorems. Fact.
... any history book created by world top universities such as Cambridge or OxfordCambridge and Oxford are the standard are they?
it doesn't look like it because if you did you would have been taught this.
There's actually no point even answering you because you have no idea what your talking about.
The creators of Algebra were the Babylonians, as with many Mathematical theorems. Fact.
dude..
the Babylonians are a bloody ancient civilisation who didn't even have paper. they could have used some *sort* of Algebra methods meaning some ways of solving problems. but what you use today was all invented and developed by the Arabs. the word Algebra was created by the arabs.
Cavemen never had guns or lighters yet they still caught their food and cooked it.
I was pointing the fact out that When you SAY its a FACT how do you prove it!
Cavemen never had guns or lighters yet they still caught their food and cooked it.(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.467655!/img/httpImage/image.jpg)
I can ask you the same question.:lol:
Then again, this topic is not here for the discussion of history and what is fact or fiction.
:lol:
My point is, this argument is pointless, I am rather sure there's plenty information online about the origins of Algebra for you to read over.
dude..
the Babylonians are a bloody ancient civilisation who didn't even have paper. they could have used some *sort* of Algebra methods meaning some ways of solving problems. but what you use today was all invented and developed by the Arabs. the word Algebra was created by the arabs. and its a Arabian word.
just to let you know A fact is something which is proven. All this history is recorded and written.
also i see you posted a link of the BBC. you should check this out too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/islamic-mathematics-and-the-invention-of-algebra/11268.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/islamic-mathematics-and-the-invention-of-algebra/11268.html)
i already have...you listen to the BBC, you should listen to this too. I could get you millions of sources or even write a essay but why should i bother with a guy who has no idea.
narrow minded...? lol? and arrogant ..I mean if we are talking on the bases of facts....
There is nothing about different belief here, its about you accepting which the majority of the science and maths world accept today.
I am to follow the majority and believe one single fact/way is the only way.I am literally speech less. I have nothing more to say to you.
Sounds very much like Religion. I am to follow a holy deity ,who I have not seen with my own eyes or have heard with my own ears, seamlessly and without question.
As the personal and individual level I do not like people touching other individuals in what they like, what they regard as sacred ,find a weak spot and drill, drill and torture someone ... Same thing goes when someone is doing a nation, or religion.
This is a deliberate provocation of the enemies of all that is good in the world.
It's life, it's what happens; people disagree, mess around, insult and joke about something that is important to someone in the world. People just have to get their heads down, ignore it and not rise to the level of the aggressor.
In this case though, people need to learn how to take a joke.
when you say joke, do you mean the movie which was made was a joke?
Yep. I am. Shoot me.
lol you actually make me laugh.
This statement you have made above tells me everything about you.
lol you actually make me laugh.
now i know you you didn't know shit about the conversation we had. you just tried to refuted everything because it hurts you to accept it. I just wasted my bloody time.
now your just provoking so you get the reaction you want me to give... ;)
when you say joke, do you mean the movie which was made was a joke?
Indeed.
Sheeeeeeeeet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be6SdkeUTkM#)
Goddamnit, you stole my reaction to nearly everything.
Surprise Motherf**ka! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CfNarCjSHM#ws)
..that you were clearly after a reaction. Hounding a person down on a point can be very entertaining, especially when you are the person being hounded. At the end of the day - you don't know me nor do you know anything about me.
Yes, the film is clearly a joke. It's basically comedy with its story-line. The same with these comics published in a French magazine, and the South Park situation years ago - it's all a joke, it's not some sort of serious aggravation of Islamic people.
ahh.. mann.. I seriously do not know what to say to you...
you say your a man of beliefs, if you were you would realise when someone has disrespected you so much, you culture and your religion. it is not a joke.
i rest my case.
Why is America taking the flak for the creation of an Egyptian? What did the Ambassador that was killed during this have to do with this? What did all the countless buildings and properties destroyed and vandalised during riots have to do with this film?
Monty Python's Life of Brian mocks Christianity. Were there riots, violence and protests? No.
WTF are you saying?! When did i say what people are doing is correct. I am actually against most of the things people have done.
I dont give a F**K about who made the video but I dont want people saying its a Joke, because its not a fckin joke.
Also these people are reacting like this because 1 the video has offended millions of people around the world and there are people who are promoting the video, People LIke you who say its a F**kin Joke.
the server you play in kicks people out in game when he says "shut up" to another player because it offends him and you say this is a Fckin joke!?
We clearly have different definitions of the word joke to mind.
your comments are really pissing me off so much because there just so stupid!
If people do not like it - they can ignore it and never see it, quite the same as what humans nowadays do for everything they do not like, pretending it's not there.
Why do you think, I and Fastsh00t are not arguing aganist him? :lol:
They are? How so? My comments reflect what I, and others, have repeatedly said in this topic before..
Arguing? You clearly have no concept of debate or discussion if you see everything as an argument.
you know the prince of Britain, he is taking legal action against a new paper because they got a picture of his wife swimming or something. Why did he not choose to ignore it?? thats only 1 person
when people are talking about it in the streets and mocking there Religion you want them to ignore it!Yes. You are clearly not up to date on your sectarian violence in Ireland due to years of Protestant and Catholic rivalry and Scotland due to football teams and matches, along with again, Protestant and Catholic rivalry. Police advice is that you ignore the aggravators and carry on walking home or going about your business or even avoid them entirely if you can. Why? Because if you confront them you'll most likely end up in A&E with a fatal stab wound.
when they put Head lines on the new and release the video on a website used by nearly(youtube) everyone in the world and you want them to ignore it?People do not have to read or watch everything out there. No one is sitting them down and forcing them to read or watch anything that they do not want to or that offends them.
your comparing a f**** football match too.... AHH..... *facepalm*
Decent avatar Dave. :lol:
...I am not going to waste my time any more.
In Islam After Allah(swt) (God) you are suppose to Love the prophet muhammed Pbuh more than anything, more than your parents or any loved one you may have because on the day of judgement...You guys have a huge concentration on a human (Muhammed) than your own God. Isn't it that you have to worship God not the prophet, as the prophet is only a meer messenger and nothing else? Because if it's otherwise, you guys are worshiping a human who died a long time ago.
Quit with the provocative statements and just get back to the discussion. If you people cannot handle that, don't post here. The rules on what isn't allowed are clear. Don't abuse the ability to talk about touchy subjects just to bypass them.
You guys have a huge concentration on a human (Muhammed) than your own God. Isn't it that you have to worship God not the prophet, as the prophet is only a meer messenger and nothing else? Because if it's otherwise, you guys are worshiping a human who died a long time ago.
Kirgiz I don't know if your post is sarcastic but Arabs did create the numbers we use today.Now I see where education went wrong.
dude..
the Babylonians are a bloody ancient civilisation who didn't even have paper. they could have used some *sort* of Algebra methods meaning some ways of solving problems. but what you use today was all invented and developed by the Arabs. the word Algebra was created by the arabs. and its a Arabian word.
just to let you know A fact is something which is proven. All this history is recorded and written.
also i see you posted a link of the BBC. you should check this out too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/islamic-mathematics-and-the-invention-of-algebra/11268.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/islamic-mathematics-and-the-invention-of-algebra/11268.html)
They were stolen and implemented by Arabs
:lol:, people can't handle if some Muslim made some great achievement.
:lol:
Arabic numerals or Hindu numeralsor Hindu-Arabic numerals or Indo-Arabic numerals[4] are the ten digits (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9). They are descended from the Hindu-Arabic numeral system developed by Indian mathematicians, in which a sequence of digits such as "975" is read as a numeral. The Indian numerals were adopted by the Persian and Arabic mathematicians in India, and passed on to the Arabs further west.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals)
This question you have asked, I will answer however not here as its not related to the topic. If you have msn or anywhere we can have a discussion I will gladly answer all your doubts and misconceptions.Id rather have it in the open for everyone else to see also. Just explain to me why Muslim feel Muhammed is above God and why practically that's what Muslims worship/adore/etc.
dude..
the Babylonians are a bloody ancient civilisation who didn't even have paper. they could have used some *sort* of Algebra methods meaning some ways of solving problems. but what you use today was all invented and developed by the Arabs. the word Algebra was created by the arabs. and its a Arabian word.
just to let you know A fact is something which is proven. All this history is recorded and written.
also i see you posted a link of the BBC. you should check this out too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/islamic-mathematics-and-the-invention-of-algebra/11268.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/islamic-mathematics-and-the-invention-of-algebra/11268.html)
It wasn't the Arabs, if you are bring nationalism to this then i would say that it would be the Persians as they were the first one to adopt it and pass it down to the Arabs. A simple word can be used, "Muslims". :)Persians in Babylon certainly were not Muslims when they created this.
Id rather have it in the open for everyone else to see also. Just explain to me why Muslim feel Muhammed is above God and why practically that's what Muslims worship/adore/etc.
Persians in Babylon certainly were not Muslims when they created this.Wait Gandalf Algebra was invented after Muhammed -Peace upon him- Muslims took the lead in this time of history Europians was travelling to Arab countires nad learning Arabic to take usefull information then the history changed now the Europian people is in devolopment and we are learning,We were and still the people who god gave them all knowledge to learn them to people Thats How is life going, We are the original who made up all these thing,and we believe that the history will change all of that and at the end i want to say the Clock is still ticking didn't stop :D
As there were not any Muslims before Mohammed.
Allah (SWT) is above everyone else, tell me where it tell us that our Prophet (PBUH) is above Allah? (SWT)No Doubt in that Alan.
Allah (SWT) gave us clear message that we should obey the Prophet (PBUH) as we would obey him. Whatever the Prophet (PBUH) did was:-
1- Ordered by Allah (SWT)
2- Pleased Allah (SWT)
Allah (SWT) is above everyone else, tell me where it tell us that our Prophet (PBUH) is above Allah? (SWT)
Allah (SWT) gave us clear message that we should obey the Prophet (PBUH) as we would obey him. Whatever the Prophet (PBUH) did was:-
1- Ordered by Allah (SWT)
2- Pleased Allah (SWT)
Persians in Babylon certainly were not Muslims when they created this.
As there were not any Muslims before Mohammed.
Alan, he is not worth your time. While we 'adore' 'worshipping' Mohammed he adores to spread false information.Do you want to know why we are defending our Prophet because Allah told us so We will not leave any one insulting him,and who does that he's crossing the limits , Second thing Muslims=The person who gave his soul and mind to Allah and believe in every thing came frim Allah or Muhammed - Peace upon him- or came in the Holy Quran that why all that happed, Allah(God) told us ,So we can't evade what he asked Very Simple.
But yet the Prophet is merely a Prophet and nothing more, he wasn't a god nor a devine figure yet just a messenger...
I guess what I'm trying to find out is, why the big deal over the Prophet? Why is he so important to you all?
The prophet (PBUH) is a mercy given to mankind by Allah (SWT). The actions and hardship he faced is a symbol to us all. Every good qualities and yet not a single negative one. Without him, Islam wouldn't exist. No, he didn't have godly powers but rather, Allah (SWT) took care of it. A man who Allah loved highly and thus established his name over the gates of Heavens.I still saying No Doubt in that,Prophet Muhammed is mercy to all the world was created by Allah , He doesn't have powers he doesn't have any thing he was poor from he side of money but he wealthy with his wisdom which was given to him by Allah and one of us saw him but we will always waiting the time which we will see him
Motamared... Pay attention, I'm Muslim myself and I agree with Alan.I know Lionel i saying what our Prophet look like in his life, This movie is a baloon they knew that it will make it worse on themselves now they came for apologizing messege by USA
Kirgiz seriously which college you went to.. Arabs created the numbers we use today INCLUDING the zero. Do not forget the zero, we created it. End of story.
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If you want facts, QUIT reading Wikipedia. If you can't handle the fact that Arabs made one of the greatest or let's say the GREATEST achievement in the history, don't post about it.
I say again, for facts (sources) consult References and Notes. If you can't handle the fact that Arabs stole the numericals then go on and pray to your false God.
The prophet (PBUH) is a mercy given to mankind by Allah (SWT). The actions and hardship he faced is a symbol to us all. Every good qualities and yet not a single negative one. Without him, Islam wouldn't exist. No, he didn't have godly powers but rather, Allah (SWT) took care of it. A man who Allah loved highly and thus his name was established over the gates of Heavens.
Sorry, i don't know how to convert Arabic words to English as there are some that is difficult to me.
Please Allah told us to obey our Prophet Muhammed -Peace upon him - and to obey his rules which was sent by Prophet Muhammed - Peace upon him - In religions guessing is forbeddien you must read to know , I just want every one to read Prophet Muhammed's -Peace upon him - life then come to discuss it here.
But again, he still remains a prophet and from what I'm guessing, the Muslim religious focus should be on Allah versus on the prophet...
There has been some criticism against a small part of Islam.
But again, he still remains a prophet and from what I'm guessing, the Muslim religious focus should be on Allah versus on the prophet...
It's not provocation when the people don't know what they believe in.That statement wasn't directed specifically at you.
Id rather have it in the open for everyone else to see also. Just explain to me why Muslim feel Muhammed is above God and why practically that's what Muslims worship/adore/etc.
Id rather have it in the open for everyone else to see also. Just explain to me why Muslim feel Muhammed is above God and why practically that's what Muslims worship/adore/etc.
17 pages in 1 week, man they wanted to set fourms record and they don't have 17 pages already, I say they move it here :lol:
lol A new world record 17Page in one week ^^ :wow:Oh come on.. really? :neutral:
Please Allah told us to obey our Prophet Muhammed -Peace upon him - and to obey his rules which was sent by Prophet Muhammed - Peace upon him - In religions guessing is forbeddien you must read to know , I just want every one to read Prophet Muhammed's -Peace upon him - life then come to discuss it here.
There has been some criticism against a small part of Islam.
"An insult to Mohammed causes wars, an insult to Allah (by that they mean sins, etc...), goes unheard." (poorly translated because it's hard to translate sayings. D:)
Are you muslim?
It's funny you've been aruging for 17 pages..I with this guy ^^ :D
That's the biggest obstacle I'm having with Islam, which is the fact that you guys seem so focussed on protecting Muhammed's name and his words and not worship your God (Allah). I guess to me it just seems that the focus has long shifted from Allah to Muhammed.Wait Nathan who told you that Allah didn't tell us to obey Prophet Muhammed -Peace upon him - Every thing Prophet Muhammed says -Peace upon him- Its a demand from Allah we must obey Allah and obey Prophet Muhammed -Peace Upon Him - ,Prophet Muhammed -Peace Upon Him - is a human like us ,Allah sent him to clearup for people that Allah is the creator of all this world Our Holy Quran Say ", Muhammad, but the messenger had passed away before the Apostles Ivan died or killed you change your minds and turn on their heels will not harm Allah nothing and Allah will reward thankful people " Great truth of Allah,This is some sentences from the holy Quran clears up that Prophet Muhammed -Peace upon him - is a messenger from God Just to clear it up for people he is just a human, Allah created him Mercy to all the world,Our Holy Quran which Allah told us from it to repsect all religions and all prophets&Messengers That's the Real Islam not people who killes another muslims and call them selves "Mogahdeen" or something like that, if you read the holy Quran in English you will know every thing and you will understand why you are defending our Prophet.
And this is why I'm having the biggest concern with Islam, the fact that they are willing to kill for Muhammed's name, but doing nothing for those who insult Allah.
No, I am a Christian, but in order to educate myself better and to know the beliefs' of others, I'd like to know the key points and focuses Islam is currently having, versus what it is supposed to have.
And I don't know guys, but it truly does seems to me that it's mostly the fact that you are protecting Muhammed's good name and story and not actually educating others on Islam and what you truly believe in. For example, take Christianity: It clearly states that those who insult or persecute are only making a bigger hole for themselves to fall in because, "God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers" - Matthew 5:11. Christianity responds with love and passive agressive methods versus Islam's radical protests and murders. Unlike Islam, when someone insults Christianity, we don't rage nor cause riots and stuff, we just turn the other cheek and keep moving, and getting on with our lives.
I guess a good tip is for you guys just to look at it in a different view and let Allah decide the fate of the person who insulted. I'm not too sure on how the Islamic afterlife works, but as far as I guess, there is some type of judgement and the good would go to the where the good people good, and the bad to the bad.
And this is why I'm having the biggest concern with Islam, the fact that they are willing to kill for Muhammed's name, but doing nothing for those who insult Allah.
Why can't you accept that arabs did it? ...
Hmmm, wasn't the video about the Prophet and not God? See it as this way, as i said before, the Prophet (PBUH) was given as mercy by God to mankind. So, if you insult the Prophet (PBUH), you are basically insulting God. All the tasks he carried out was mostly ordered by God, so if you insult about what he was and what he did, then that insult would also apply on God.He's not talking about that... He's saying that the small number of Muslims that made these "protests" act all tough when someone insults Mohammed (PBUH). But most of them are some of the biggest sinners in Islam, which is a direct insult to Allah.
Nope, Muslims improved the Algebra and passed it down to others.
if you read the holy Quran in English you will know every thing and you will understand why you are defending our Prophet.Nathan is not allowed to read Quran. All non-muslims are forbidden from reading Quran, it is said in Quran.
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He's not talking about that... He's saying that the small number of Muslims that made these "protests" act all tough when someone insults Mohammed (PBUH). But most of them are some of the biggest sinners in Islam, which is a direct insult to Allah.
Nathan is not allowed to read Quran. All non-muslims are forbidden from reading Quran, it is said in Quran.
Nathan is not allowed to read Quran. All non-muslims are forbidden from reading Quran, it is said in Quran.He is allowed too Jubin he can read it when it gets translted when it becomes untouchable if he read it he will now the real Islam,BTW Nathan people who made protests are 1% from all muslims of the world they might be got paid to do that but I'am talking in polite way explaining your missunderstanding of Islam thats it All people in Egypt,Libya,Algeria,Morroco,Kwait and even in USA refusing the idea of these protest ,Here in Egypt we saved US Embassy we kicked all people infront of the Embassy in their a**es and we secured the Embassy that shows you that we denying this idea and Islam telling us to secure every one in your country and give him best thing you have to serve him thats our islam not Some non-responsible people you must check all thing then you can come and discuss.
Can I ask this, what is the percentage of people who protest and act like this compared to the actual Muslim population?I'd say the minority. If it weren't such a small number, every Country where the protests did happen would have been very dangerous to live in by now.
Nathan is not allowed to read Quran. All non-muslims are forbidden from reading Quran, it is said in Quran.Some parts of the Islam world would agree with what you say, some wouldn't. I'd tell him to go for it.
they might be got paid to do thatNo.
I'd say the minority. If it weren't such a small number, every Country where the protests did happen would have been very dangerous to live in by now.How do you know they didn't get paid ? Were you with them ha Ragdoll ? You must think wisely before answering
Some parts of the Islam world would agree with what you say, some wouldn't. I'd tell him to go for it.
No.
How very informative, can you provide facts about it as well?Alan I have to give you the exact sura and verses some other time, don't have my Quran with me right now. It's really close to the end of Quran though, that much I remembered when I read it.
How do you know they didn't get paid ? Were you with them ha Ragdoll ? You must think wisely before answeringYou're saying they got PAID to protest against something that is a direct insult to their religion? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Yes, Non-Muslims are not allowed to touch the Quran but rather they can read the translations or listen to it. This is the view of many scholars however, some say that "touch" is more spiritual than physical. That could make some sense to meYeah... didn't expect that he meant to read it in its Arabic version. :lol:
You're saying they got PAID to protest against something that is a direct insult to their religion?
Seeing how you just left Jubin, probably to find some text, i will just type it here for other curious people.Interesting philosophy. So Islam has to convert people by telling them things they are not allowed to verify, as for that they would need to be converted first. Seems like keeping people stupid....
Yes, Non-Muslims are not allowed to touch the Quran but rather they can read the translations or listen to it. This is the view of many scholars however, some say that "touch" is more spiritual than physical. That could make some sense to me
Interesting philosophy. So Islam has to convert people by telling them things they are not allowed to verify, as for that they would need to be converted first
If a muslim would make an anti Christian movie, we would tolerate it, but if we make an anti Muslim video Muslims start rioting... Yea, those people react better!I bet if you made a movie where Jesus was constantly sinning and demeaned as a false prophet with no significance other than leading a group of "misfit religionists", then those who strongly believe in Christianity would become angry too.
I bet if you made a movie where Jesus was constantly sinning and demeaned as a false prophet with no significance other than leading a group of "misfit religionists", then those who strongly believe in Christianity would become angry too.
Actually, protests from large Christian groups have happened as a result of this. The only difference is that we have many more laws and law enforcers in the countries where these groups are prominent that prevent things such as the rioting we are seeing caused by the Muslim groups. As for the countries that have stricter laws and more law enforcers where Muslims are also prominent, you can tell that they are not rioting there.
South Park, Family Guy, and many other medias already do this and you don't see us rioting... We move on with our lives knowing that the people who do these things are only making it worse for themselves.
If a muslim would make an anti Christian movie, we would tolerate it, but if we make an anti Muslim video Muslims start rioting... Yea, those people react better!Maybe we didnt do it ?
That's the biggest obstacle I'm having with Islam, which is the fact that you guys seem so focussed on protecting Muhammed's name and his words and not worship your God (Allah). I guess to me it just seems that the focus has long shifted from Allah to Muhammed.
And this is why I'm having the biggest concern with Islam, the fact that they are willing to kill for Muhammed's name, but doing nothing for those who insult Allah.
No, I am a Christian, but in order to educate myself better and to know the beliefs' of others, I'd like to know the key points and focuses Islam is currently having, versus what it is supposed to have.
And I don't know guys, but it truly does seems to me that it's mostly the fact that you are protecting Muhammed's good name and story and not actually educating others on Islam and what you truly believe in. For example, take Christianity: It clearly states that those who insult or persecute are only making a bigger hole for themselves to fall in because, "God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers" - Matthew 5:11. Christianity responds with love and passive agressive methods versus Islam's radical protests and murders. Unlike Islam, when someone insults Christianity, we don't rage nor cause riots and stuff, we just turn the other cheek and keep moving, and getting on with our lives.
I guess a good tip is for you guys just to look at it in a different view and let Allah decide the fate of the person who insulted. I'm not too sure on how the Islamic afterlife works, but as far as I guess, there is some type of judgement and the good would go to the where the good people good, and the bad to the bad.
If a muslim would make an anti Christian movie, we would tolerate it, but if we make an anti Muslim video Muslims start rioting... Yea, those people react better!
I bet if you made a movie where Jesus was constantly sinning and demeaned as a false prophet with no significance other than leading a group of "misfit religionists", then those who strongly believe in Christianity would become angry too.
"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."
verily god is the greatest and he is one, no one create him he did not create himself he do not have son or family he is allah he is most fair and wise and merciful
peace be upon mohammed the messenger of allah
So...where did he come from?
Obviously, God - the real God, must be eternal and not have to be created.
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PESHAWAR: A Pakistani federal minister has announced a bounty of $100,000 on the maker of the American film “Innocence of Muslims†disrespecting the Holy Prophet (PBUH), DawnNews reported.
Speaking here at a press conference on Saturday, the Federal Minister for Railways Ghulam Ahmed Bilour said that he was aware that it was a crime to instigate the people for murder, but he was ready to commit the crime. He added that there was no way to instill fear among blasphemers other than taking this step.
The minister also called on members of the Taliban and al Qaeda for their support, saying that if members of the banned militant organisations kill the maker of the blasphemous movie, they will also be rewarded.
Isn't this f**king insane?
Well, if you read what i wrote before this edit, forgive me, i just like to "test" some people out of curiosity. Once again, sorry.There you go, you answered your own question to me where it says Nathan is not allowed to read quran. Where you decided to give those lines one meaning, I like to take it as it is written in the book itself.
"No one can touch it except those who are pure." (56:79) "Indeed the polytheists are impure." (9:28)
Some Muslims believe that just because of this verse, non-believers (including other Abraham religions) are impure and therefore not allowed to touch it.
The first verse is a response to the disbelievers if read right. The disbelievers said that the book was revealed by Demons instead of Angels of God. It has nothing to do about touching by pure or impure physically, means. The verse is a response to the disbelievers because Demons, are who unpure, could not touch the Quran.
The second verse is about the disbelievers. The people in the Arabian penisula were given the message of Islam, they refused. So they were declared as criminals in the eyes of God and then he ordained them. Believers, these polytheists are impure, therefore, they should not come close to Sacred Mosque after this year." (9:28) So basically, they were spiritually impure, therefore they weren't allowed to enter the house of God anymore.
Thanks for reading, once again sorry, the curiosity questions are in my nature and i strive to shun it.
you answered your own question to me where it says Nathan is not allowed to read quran
He is allowed to read. Some people don't understand the text fully so they get the different meaning about it. You told me it was written in Quran, i figured out which verse you were talking about and explained it.You explained what you think it means.
You explained what you think it means.
If I look at the posts that were removed I clearly saw some who actually seemed to support the violence.
I would love to see those posts.
I bet that you wouldn't mind to share some of those posts with me to backup your statement.
Gandalf, so you decided to ignore my request and reply to the other messages? Well okay then. I'll consider "some" of those Muslims didn't support the violence acts and you just made it up to ruin our reputation.Conclude whatever you want. I am not giving you access to the deleted posts section.
Whoever has the will to argue, provoke and provide false facts in his "discussion". Simply report him, since provoking is against the rules. If the community staff doesn't take an action against him, then consider the staff is on the same side as those trolls and provocative people.
Conclude whatever you want. I am not giving you access to the deleted posts section.
One does not simply get something free from a Russian.
Screenshots are enough to prove you were right.I have no need to prove anything to you. If you can not take the word of the owner of the community, you should consider your presence here.
I have no need to prove anything to you. If you can not take the word of the owner of the community, you should consider your presence here.
What I can see from the community owner is gloating over the events happened at U.S embassies and implying Muslims are criminals.Do you imply that the people who vandalized and destroyed property, as well as killed people are innocent?
Do you imply that the people who vandalized and destroyed property, as well as killed people are innocent?
As for gloating, the events were expected by me as it is clearly most violence happened in areas where the USA has used hidden influence to bring a different regime.
Finally, I consider many Muslims as my friend, even if I do not share their enthusiams about their religion.
However I do respect theirs, and will not mock or unnecesary tempt them.
A discussion about some "video" causing selfless people killing innocent people now people disrespecting others.
How on earth do people always manage that? :neutral:
earth
When will you stop playing this game? You know those people don't represent at least ONE percent of Muslims on the planet. No wonder why a few are better than bunch of people. A few people can use intelligent methods to ruin a whole group's reputation and make others sympathize with them and join their side.You are the one who is playing games here. I am clearly telling that I do not hols all Muslims accountable. However it is you who tries to remove ANY blame from Muslims as they are to be considered holy innocent creatures of pure good.
I don't want to play games with you because It's a waste of time and you know I am talking about. Now be honest for once and stop implying all Muslims are criminals, the way you talk makes us look like fanatics and violent. I have already told you those people are either paid or just ignorant, but you keep bringing it up over and over. You're only spinning the circle which shows how empty you are and the only major thing you do in your life is leading a community.
I still belive it's miseducation though, I mean some bad people surly have started it, but rest, with their small brians followed up.. But my point is vast numbers of attacks was caused by some bad people but mostly miseducated who just do anything they're told, and got brain washed.If you feel miseducation is a good reason to kill people, vandalize and destroy property then you should think again.
If you feel miseducation is a good reason to kill people, vandalize and destroy property then you should think again.
Well, let's say you you've never been to school in your life, you've never received a proper education, unlike you, me and others did, and some guy comes and tells you that if you don't kill those americans and destroy "Their" properties you'll go to hell. Now a brainless guy would never guess that this property his were his people work and earn their living, and killing people would get him nothing but bad repution and being called a terriost, I've experienced that myself, and saw it with my own eyes, so would be hard to convince me really.. please think about it, it's beliving anything you hear because you were never taught how to think yourself and use your own brain. Belive it or not that's the case, I mean there are bad ones outside, I'm not saying whole thing was compeltly caused by miseducation, I'm saying that's why it vastly grew.
inb4 9fag
You are the one who is playing games here. I am clearly telling that I do not hols all Muslims accountable. However it is you who tries to remove ANY blame from Muslims as they are to be considered holy innocent creatures of pure good.
There are good people among Muslims, and there are bad people among them. There are people who will respect and honour every other person, including Jewish, and there are those who feel that if you do not face Mecca 5 times a day you have no right to live. And I believe there are just a very small percentage who are indeed the bad ones. But you should never close your eyes for them being bad.
The moment you try to find any excuse for their behaviour other than that they are ciminal you are making a very big fool of yourself
You have no right to claim the religious Muslims are the bad ones. As matter of fact, they're the good ones. I have been living in Islamic country my entire life and no one ever told me the same. The religious people only ADVISED me to pray. Those folks are very friendly and kind. God created us only to worship him, then why shouldn't we worship him If this is the only reason we exist in this world? (By "we", I am referring to Muslims not everyone).I posted what i need to post , But you must respect Gandalf he's the server owner there are another way to talk i might be againest what Gandalf said but i still gonna respect him that's our religion says and He is the server owner or not,But he's older than you so you must repect him Our Prophet Muhammed said " Not a muslim who doesn't respect the older people and have mercy on children " That's why i interrupted your conversation.
Now for the 4th time (I think), I am telling you those people WHO committed crimes according to any law are CRIMIANLS and NOT innocent. So stop including unrelated subjects into the main topic, because It's not about Islam as a religion.
Having a brain or not having a brain does not make a difference. There are things such as genetic memory and also looking at the actions of others that would tell us something is wrong. You can say animals can kill one another without "reason", but no animal massacres on a massive scale due to it knowing that not everything around it is a direct threat. Humans are the same. We can be misdirected. However in this situation it tends not to be the use of religion to fully coerce someone..it is the promise that their family will be safe, rich, be protected and that they themselves will be remembered as a hero. Pride, ego and money...it's what modern humans strive to achieve, right?
Fiddler On The Roof - If I Were A Rich Man [With Lyrics] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7BVr36bbs#)