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Title: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Hybird on October 06, 2012, 08:58:41 pm
1. United States
2. Russia
3. China
4. India
5. United Kingdom
6. Turkey
7. South Korea
8. France
9. Japan
10. Israel

11. Brazil
12. Iran
13. Germany
14. Taiwan
15. Pakistan
16. Egypt
17. Italy
18. Indonesia
19. Thailand
20. Ukraine
21. Poland
22. North Korea
23. Philippines
24. Australia
25. Canada
26. Saudi arabia
27. Malaysia
28. Sweden
29. Spain
30. Mexico
31. South Africa
32. Argentina
33. Greece
34. Switzerland
35. Syria
36. Iraq
37. Finland
38. Algeria
39. Libya
40. Norway
41. Singapore
42. Denmark
43. Jordan
44. Ethiopa
45. Chile
46. Portugal
47. Venezuela
48. Yemen
49. Belgium
50. Georgia
51. Afghanistan
52. Lebanon
53. Kuwait
54. Nepal
55. Qatar

Source : http://www.globalfirepower.com/ (http://www.globalfirepower.com/)
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Darxez on October 06, 2012, 09:06:27 pm
France has 4 nuclear Submarines, atleast one in each ocean.

Only the president knows where they're.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on October 06, 2012, 09:14:56 pm
France has 4 nuclear Submarines, atleast one in each ocean.

Only the president knows where they're.
Theres a British nuclear sub up Argentinas ass right now. :D
Anyway this isnt news..
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Wolfe on October 06, 2012, 09:29:53 pm
There's no way in hell Brazil is 11 :P


One of our general's gave an interview stating that the army had an hour worth of ammunition in a war, we're using World War 2 Anti Aircraft weapons, and Vietnam era Fighter jets.


How the fuck is Germany and Canada behind us ? Germany has a fucking modern equipped army, and Canada is actively deployed in Afghanistan, all Brazil is active is on freaking Haiti.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Woka on October 06, 2012, 09:30:18 pm
I have nothing to worry about here in USA :D

Post Merge: October 06, 2012, 09:31:52 pm
44. Ethiopa


Da'fuck?


Hell to the no.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Jcstodds on October 06, 2012, 09:34:02 pm
We can neither confirm if there is a UK nuke sub near argentina or not.

British government tries to be clever by doing this.



But actually we sold all our nukes to Iran so we can afford to bail out some banking bankers.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: sina on October 06, 2012, 10:37:33 pm
how lebanon Defeated israel in 33day?????
israel-->10
lebanon-->52 :cool:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 06, 2012, 10:49:28 pm
This list is way too invalid, lol.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: sina on October 06, 2012, 10:56:23 pm
yes :cool:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on October 06, 2012, 11:09:32 pm
We can neither confirm if there is a UK nuke sub near argentina or not.

British government tries to be clever by doing this.



But actually we sold all our nukes to Iran so we can afford to bail out some banking bankers.
Man the UK wouldn't sell it's nukes especially to someone who's a potential threat to national security, and to add the UK would have quite a few more if it did sell one, why would you sell your nukes knowing you might need them some time? And there is a British nuclear sub near Argentina, it has been there since they destroyed the HMS Ark Royal and probibly will be until one of the UK's new Aircraft carriers are finished and put into service in 2016. :razz:

Valid super power map for y'all.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Potential_Superpowers.svg/400px-Potential_Superpowers.svg.png)
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: ~Legend~ on October 07, 2012, 03:00:11 pm
Interesting... but 10/20 years down the line the picture could potentially have changed significantly.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Nathan on October 07, 2012, 04:29:54 pm
how lebanon Defeated israel in 33day?????
israel-->10
lebanon-->52 :cool:
That's ironic... cause last time I checked, Israel won...

Israel
121 killed
(including 2 captured soldiers)
628 wounded

Lebanon
≤500 (Lebanese officials' est.) Killed
1,500 (Lebanese officials' est.) Wounded
Captured: 4 fighters
Amal militia: 17 dead
LCP militia: 12 dead
PFLP-GC militia: 2 dead

Ignorant people these days...
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Kirgiz on October 07, 2012, 05:47:50 pm
That's ironic... cause last time I checked, Israel won...
<...>
Ignorant people these days...

....Says the guy who mistook jews for muslims...
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Nathan on October 07, 2012, 06:11:28 pm
....Says the guy who mistook jews for muslims...

y u mad bro? Don't go back to locked topics, brotha.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: BKP on October 07, 2012, 06:30:50 pm
Romania's firepower is in the loft, covered by dust
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Ragdoll on October 07, 2012, 06:41:33 pm
That's ironic... cause last time I checked, Israel won...

Israel
121 killed
(including 2 captured soldiers)
628 wounded

Lebanon
≤500 (Lebanese officials' est.) Killed
1,500 (Lebanese officials' est.) Wounded
Captured: 4 fighters
Amal militia: 17 dead
LCP militia: 12 dead
PFLP-GC militia: 2 dead

Ignorant people these days...

You just won't stop being THE ignorant will you?

1955-1975 = Vietnam war.

Vietnamese civilians and soldiers died WAY more than the U.S. soldiers... yet the U.S. got their ass kicked back across the pacific.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Devin on October 08, 2012, 12:00:21 am
These people..  :lol:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Def Perry on October 08, 2012, 03:57:19 pm
So the army of Belgium is 'better' than the army of the Netherlands?
The Netherlands spent estimated €8.000.000.000 every year on their military, Belgium spends estimated €3.4 billions on their military.
The Netherlands has 53000 active soldiers, Belgium has 40000 active soldiers.
I won't go more into the details, but it's quite obvious..

Alright, regarding to the Isreal - Libanon question, let's get the statistics.

Isreal : 125000 active soldiers, 3.090 tanks, 8770 OAFV's, 1.542 Artillery, 399 combat aircraft and 121 armed helicopters.
Lebanon: 70000 active soldiers, 1120 tanks, 1463 OAFV's, 172 Artillery, 0 combat aircrafts, 0 armed helicopters.
 
Also Isreal has a lot of secret agencies and special trained forces etc. Lebanon may be able to protect themselves from Isreal, but I think they won't win another war against Israel without help from other countries.

Sources:
http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/050323_memilbaldefine%5b1%5d.pdf (http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/050323_memilbaldefine%5b1%5d.pdf) (page; 12)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel)

In conclusion: This list is full of flaws.


Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: BlueFox on October 08, 2012, 06:12:41 pm
This is like highschool all over again "My group will kick your group's ass!"

But now it's "My country will kick your country's ass!"
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Kirgiz on October 08, 2012, 07:44:49 pm

y u mad bro? Don't go back to locked topics, brotha.

I'm just reporting in your ironic persona.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Nathan on October 08, 2012, 10:45:24 pm
I'm just reporting in your ironic persona.

I have one? SWEEEET!
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 08, 2012, 10:46:50 pm
whats the actuall point of this topic?
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Nathan on October 08, 2012, 10:49:28 pm
whats the actuall point of this topic?

I HAVE THE BIGGEST GUNS IN THE WORLD, YOU ALL OTHER COUNTRIES SUCK, 'MERICA FTWWW!

In a nutshell.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Robby_Wilson on October 08, 2012, 10:55:52 pm

25. Canada


THAT right there, PROVES this list is BULLSHIT
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 08, 2012, 11:00:22 pm

I HAVE THE BIGGEST GUNS IN THE WORLD, YOU ALL OTHER COUNTRIES SUCK, 'MERICA FTWWW!

In a nutshell.


i don't have a gun, i only got a stick, but a LAAAAAAARGE stick
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Dolfagr on October 09, 2012, 12:18:14 am
Wheres Cuba???
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Woka on October 09, 2012, 12:28:59 am
Wheres Cuba???

I ate it.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Emre on October 09, 2012, 12:31:21 am
Weirdo has no clue lol
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Alan.Wake on October 09, 2012, 12:52:42 am
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Weirdo has no clue lol

Obviously the number one should be NARNIA!
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on October 09, 2012, 12:58:35 am
THAT right there, PROVES this list is BULLSHIT
If it's right, should'a stayed as part of the United Kingdom. :lol:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mr. Goobii on October 09, 2012, 01:18:15 am
Ranked 28 on land who got just 9mil in population. Cool...
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Frank_West on October 09, 2012, 05:48:41 pm

46. Portugal
Doubt it.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Wolfe on October 10, 2012, 01:09:23 am
Yup, the list is Bullshit. it's obvious :P
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Devin on October 10, 2012, 01:22:37 am
That list is so out of date it's not even funny.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: BlueFox on October 10, 2012, 06:44:19 am
I don't even think it's possible to accurately list the most powerful countries in order, can only list the countries that show it by pushing the most wars. As in, only what's shown gets attention, and not shown wont seem to exist. I'm having a hard time explaining it, hope you all somewhat understand lol
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Wolfe on October 10, 2012, 08:29:23 am
I don't even think it's possible to accurately list the most powerful countries in order, can only list the countries that show it by pushing the most wars. As in, only what's shown gets attention, and not shown wont seem to exist. I'm having a hard time explaining it, hope you all somewhat understand lol

Well yes, you can always measure the ammount of active personnel, equipment, budget and active deployment, but even so, if this list only shows countries that actually participate in the wars, Brazil is a country that is not active in any war ever since WW2, yet is infront of Canada, which is actively deployed in Afghanistan, this list is complete bullshit.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 10, 2012, 06:41:21 pm
come on UK has more firepower than India, UK has the best Elite force team(S.A.S) and india has:                                                while not being sarcastic.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: sina on October 10, 2012, 06:48:29 pm
Only **** with her Nuclear missile silo in the wilderness of the sea and sky. :war: :war: :war:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 10, 2012, 06:57:45 pm
Only **** with her Nuclear missile silo in the wilderness of the sea and sky. :war: :war: :war:
there is no point using nuclear weapons because they wont be able to live where it landed for about a century, however EMP(Electro Magnetic Pulse) only kills if he is in that area right in that moment when it explodes(not in cod) 
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Wolfe on October 10, 2012, 07:13:13 pm
there is no point using nuclear weapons because they wont be able to live where it landed for about a century, however EMP(Electro Magnetic Pulse) only kills if he is in that area right in that moment when it explodes(not in cod)

it does not kill humans, truth be told, it would only be a matter of restarting most eletronic devices, it would only affect people with Heart Pacemakers, and obviously, the kills from plane crashes and such.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 10, 2012, 07:28:16 pm
it does not kill humans, truth be told, it would only be a matter of restarting most eletronic devices, it would only affect people with Heart Pacemakers, and obviously, the kills from plane crashes and such.
i think i told you its NOT Call of Duty.
Let me explain why it kills humans:
So you know that humans have some charge of electricity aswell, so if a human is being overcharged he is being killed just like he is being killed from the lightning. And no not even the electronic stuff can be turned on again because it is overcharged aswell, again the best example is the lightning if your computer is on durring thunderstorm and the ligning goes through it, you wont be able to use it again. And no the planes will not crash because they are not electronic planes are they? and since the engine already started it does not need electricity however don't try to restart your engine after the EMP detonated^^
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Ragdoll on October 10, 2012, 07:49:14 pm
EMPs do not kill humans, not yet atleast.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 10, 2012, 07:59:52 pm
EMPs do not kill humans, not yet atleast.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/EMP_mechanism.GIF/333px-EMP_mechanism.GIF)
not only the overcharge but it has gamma rays, shall i get a science teacher here so you will belive me with a profile image of a cartoon
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Dolfagr on October 10, 2012, 08:00:22 pm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080923073649AAc1UG5 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080923073649AAc1UG5)
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Wolfe on October 10, 2012, 08:08:36 pm
i think i told you its NOT Call of Duty.
Let me explain why it kills humans:
So you know that humans have some charge of electricity aswell, so if a human is being overcharged he is being killed just like he is being killed from the lightning. And no not even the electronic stuff can be turned on again because it is overcharged aswell, again the best example is the lightning if your computer is on durring thunderstorm and the ligning goes through it, you wont be able to use it again. And no the planes will not crash because they are not electronic planes are they? and since the engine already started it does not need electricity however don't try to restart your engine after the EMP detonated^^


Airbus fly by wire utilizes 6 computers to calculate the pilots imput from his joystick, not only does the electricity run the flight systems, pressurization systems, cooling systems and such, they also run the communications and flight control systems in most cases, yes, the engines after started generate their own energy, but EMP's would surely affect the distribution system of such electricity, and perharps even the engine itself, therefore causing it to shut down, planes do need electricity.


EMP's are usually detonated at 20-40km above Earth's surface, the reason for that is that when the bomb detonates, the electrons at that distance can be captured by the Earth's magnetic field, therefore spreading it in a much wider area than if it was detonated on the ground, A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S.


So yeah, you're own picture contradicts your thought.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 10, 2012, 08:10:33 pm

Airbus fly by wire utilizes 6 computers to calculate the pilots imput from his joystick, not only does the electricity run the flight systems, pressurization systems, cooling systems and such, they also run the communications and flight control systems in most cases, yes, the engines after started generate their own energy, but EMP's would surely affect the distribution system of such electricity, and perharps even the engine itself, therefore causing it to shut down, planes do need electricity.


EMP's are usually detonated at 20-40km above Earth's surface, the reason for that is that when the bomb detonates, the electrons at that distance can be captured by the Earth's magnetic field, therefore spreading it in a much wider area than if it was detonated on the ground, A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S.


So yeah, you're own picture contradicts your thought.
that's true, Agreed.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Ragdoll on October 10, 2012, 08:24:28 pm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080923073649AAc1UG5 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080923073649AAc1UG5)
This.

with a profile image of a cartoon
Says Mr.Phelps.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 10, 2012, 08:29:54 pm
This.
Says Mr.Phelps.
still more intelligent, and now end of conversation this is getting off topic.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Devin on October 10, 2012, 09:30:38 pm
profile image of a cartoon

What on earth does a forum avatar have to do with anything?
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 10, 2012, 09:42:45 pm
What on earth does a forum avatar have to do with anything?
its a preview of the user's IQ
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Devin on October 10, 2012, 09:54:15 pm
its a preview of the user's IQ

Narrow minded, all I have to say.



Oh I just thought I would point it out for you, there's no apostrophe in the plural "users".
Not to mention you didn't start your sentence with a capital letter, nor did you put an apostrophe in the word "It's".
 :ps: You forgot to end your sentence with a full stop.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Alan.Wake on October 10, 2012, 10:50:14 pm
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Oh I just thought I would point it out for you, there's no apostrophe in the plural "users".
Not to mention you didn't start your sentence with a capital letter, nor did you put an apostrophe in the word "It's".
 You forgot to end your sentence with a full stop.

Grammar Nazis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM#ws)
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: BlueFox on October 11, 2012, 02:12:10 am
i think i told you its NOT Call of Duty.
Let me explain why it kills humans:
So you know that humans have some charge of electricity aswell, so if a human is being overcharged he is being killed just like he is being killed from the lightning. And no not even the electronic stuff can be turned on again because it is overcharged aswell, again the best example is the lightning if your computer is on durring thunderstorm and the ligning goes through it, you wont be able to use it again. And no the planes will not crash because they are not electronic planes are they? and since the engine already started it does not need electricity however don't try to restart your engine after the EMP detonated^^

That's why I never leave home without a tinfoil hat
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Ragdoll on October 11, 2012, 02:07:30 pm
its a preview of the user's IQ
You: detective relying on evidence. Me: an inventor relying on his own imagination and intelligence. Who's got the higher IQ?
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Kirgiz on October 11, 2012, 08:00:44 pm

Oh I just thought I would point it out for you, there's no apostrophe in the plural "users".
In that context it doesn't necessary have to be in plural, therefore your statement is null.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Alan.Wake on October 11, 2012, 09:46:15 pm
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In that context it doesn't necessary have to be in plural
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therefore your statement is null.
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=.=
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Kirgiz on October 12, 2012, 10:43:29 pm
=.=
Everything was correct in that sentence.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Hybird on October 13, 2012, 12:30:05 pm
Wheres Cuba???

 :lol:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Hybird on November 07, 2012, 07:14:43 pm
Up
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Batta on November 07, 2012, 07:32:17 pm
Up

For?
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 08, 2012, 01:12:21 am
By the way how is India in 4th?
They are still buying 60-80yr old battle ships off Britain that Britain doesn't want anymore due to being so out dated, in-efficient and just plain old.. :trust:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Hubbestubbe on November 08, 2012, 01:26:01 am
It's a bit meaningless to have a list like that. What does it say? How many soldiers the countries got? How many missiles? How good educated they are? How many they can kill within an hour? How good every part of the military cooperate? It's a shitload of factors that depend in war.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Teddy on November 08, 2012, 07:35:38 am
Military Strength is theoretically determined by

Number of ordinances (bombs, missiles)
Military Assets Available - From Humvee to Aircraft Carriers, total active count of assets ready/actively deployed
Deployment Coverage - How much of the world is covered by said nations reach. (I.E Monitor Ocean, Overseas Bases Etc.)
Active Nuclear Arsenal - How many active war heads does said nation have, and how many are deployed strategically.
Standing Personnel - How many active duty soldiers does the said nation have enlisted.
Reserve Personnel - How many reserve duty soldiers does said nation have on standby.
Training - How effective is the training provided to said nations soldiers.

Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 08, 2012, 03:03:57 pm
Military Strength is theoretically determined by

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Number of ordinances (bombs, missiles)
The weaker force could have anti-missile technology.

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Military Assets Available - From Humvee to Aircraft Carriers, total active count of assets ready/actively deployed
Aircraft carriers arnt that good of an asset, sure you can take your jets and invade another country with them and always have the landing strip 100 miles from the target destination, but a country only really needs 1 of them and alot of good pilots.

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Deployment Coverage - How much of the world is covered by said nations reach. (I.E Monitor Ocean, Overseas Bases Etc.)
If that were true, why is China, Russia and America super powers when they only have one big continent?

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Active Nuclear Arsenal - How many active war heads does said nation have, and how many are deployed strategically.
Nuclear missiles are only a deterrence to stop other nations with nukes from nuking the defending country, for example America wouldn't nuke the UK because the UK could nuke them back, same with Russia, China and other countrys with nuclear technology.

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Standing Personnel - How many active duty soldiers does the said nation have enlisted.
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Reserve Personnel - How many reserve duty soldiers does said nation have on standby.
Personnel mean nothing if not all of them are trained to be elite, or the nation your personnel are attacking has extremely good defences round it's coasts.

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Training - How effective is the training provided to said nations soldiers.
THIS is what power should be done by, TRAINING! A force of 10 soldiers could wipe out a force of 1000 soldiers if said 10 soldiers have more experience and training, same with battle ships, jets or missiles, it all comes down to how good the nation is at using it's resources, not how many they have, this is how the super power list should be, but it's not about that.

For example India's military has a huge lack of training for it's soldiers, it's basicly 'Heres a gun, defend the country' compared to countrys that have special forces and a long military background.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Exterminator on November 08, 2012, 04:27:58 pm
Mikal, contrary to popular belief the Indian armed forces are actually well trained. As has been proven in the military battles that India took part in, India prevailed by a huge gap.
Plus, Indian soliders are famous for actually being determined, you might of heard about how 180 Indian soldiers singlehandedly defeated a invasion army of 2000 troops in 1971.(With WWII rifles while the Pakistanis marched with tanks and machine guns..).

The Indian army is highly under-funded(As is the case for anything related to the Indian Govt.) but the training isnt so bad, wherever you got that information is wrong
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Teddy on November 08, 2012, 05:08:54 pm
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The weaker force could have anti-missile technology.

Bombs as well. You are forgetting some top nations have aircraft are not detected by anti-air/missle defenses.

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Aircraft carriers arnt that good of an asset, sure you can take your jets and invade another country with them and always have the landing strip 100 miles from the target destination, but a country only really needs 1 of them and alot of good pilots.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Aircraft Carriers are escorted by a nuclear sub, 3 other battleships(United States 'strike' group formation). They have the ability to move a full air raid to any location in the world. They can also transport thousands of people into war very quickly. It is also the most valuable asset to the United States Navy (other than Seals) and also to the Royal Navy. Aircraft Carriers are floating cities, with enough fire power to remove a small country off the map. US Carriers have their own zip codes, they normally contain more than 5,000 Sailors and Marines on board. The Royal Navy also has similar setup to them.

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If that were true, why is China, Russia and America super powers when they only have one big continent?

The United States has assets all over the world. United States the largest presence made in the world. China and Russia not so much, firepower isn't military strength so I don't know.

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Nuclear missiles are only a deterrence to stop other nations with nukes from nuking the defending country, for example America wouldn't nuke the UK because the UK could nuke them back, same with Russia, China and other countrys with nuclear technology.

The UK couldn't nuke the US, because we have the ability to shoot a nuke down before it leaves your continent. The United Kingdom, China, Russia and few other countries have this ability as well, also countries who have nuclear ability, so your statement is again false.

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Personnel mean nothing if not all of them are trained to be elite, or the nation your personnel are attacking has extremely good defences round it's coasts.

Not everyone needs to be special forces. United States Army break their men down, build them up, train them in boot camp. They are not trained to be special forces, they are trained in their area, and in combat. A basic combat training is all that is needed, and it is up to the officers to guide the foot soldiers to be use strategically in order to gain the advantage over the enemy and eliminate the enemy.

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THIS is what power should be done by, TRAINING! A force of 10 soldiers could wipe out a force of 1000 soldiers if said 10 soldiers have more experience and training, same with battle ships, jets or missiles, it all comes down to how good the nation is at using it's resources, not how many they have, this is how the super power list should be, but it's not about that.

In which United States and Russia would still be at the top, in addition most nations soldiers are trained by United States forces, so most are well suited. Your statement here isn't to far off. The only group single able to disarm a nation is a Navy Seal, but 1000 soldiers, bit unrealistic mate. Even a team of Seals would be challenged unless it was 1000 100% untrained average joes with a gun. While Navy Seals are at the top of world wide special forces; United Kingdom Special Forces (British Commandos), Russian Spetsnaz, are shortly behind them.

While it does also play into the fact China has the largest standing army, but they (the men) are old and aged. So while its true the pure number isn't really always effective but still and some other of your points may not be as far off as some.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: ~Legend~ on November 08, 2012, 07:35:32 pm
By the way how is India in 4th?
They are still buying 60-80yr old battle ships off Britain that Britain doesn't want anymore due to being so out dated, in-efficient and just plain old.. :trust:

A major contender on the world stage in coming years.

India's got a lot to show... it's a massive nation and it shouldn't (on paper) be too long before they get the formula right and match their size in output.

Any industrial prowess generally gets transformed to have positive impacts on other aspects of a country, like its demographics and resource base in the current climate.

Mikal, contrary to popular belief the Indian armed forces are actually well trained. As has been proven in the military battles that India took part in, India prevailed by a huge gap.
Plus, Indian soliders are famous for actually being determined, you might of heard about how 180 Indian soldiers singlehandedly defeated a invasion army of 2000 troops in 1971.(With WWII rifles while the Pakistanis marched with tanks and machine guns..).

The Indian army is highly under-funded(As is the case for anything related to the Indian Govt.) but the training isnt so bad, wherever you got that information is wrong

Not to mention their commandos and special defence units.

Also in recent years their air force has been developing considerably.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 08, 2012, 07:41:26 pm
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Aircraft Carriers are escorted by a nuclear sub, 3 other battleships(United States 'strike' group formation). They have the ability to move a full air raid to any location in the world. They can also transport thousands of people into war very quickly. It is also the most valuable asset to the United States Navy (other than Seals) and also to the Royal Navy. Aircraft Carriers are floating cities, with enough fire power to remove a small country off the map. US Carriers have their own zip codes, they normally contain more than 5,000 Sailors and Marines on board. The Royal Navy also has similar setup to them.
The UK currntly has no aircraft carriers, the last one (HMS ArkRoyal) which led it's last operation with the US (Was a huge training exercise involving both British and American destroyers/carriers and some other small military vessels), the UK's currently building 2 carriers which will be the worlds most advanced (according to an American show I watched on the Military channel about modern weaponry), however the UK currently is not concerned about not having any carriers, theres the nuclear submarines, 2 of them I know of anyway, 1 is in the Falklands, 1 is in Scotland and another is also being built, if a country like the UK doesn't seem concerned about not having carriers till 2015 then I'de assume they arnt that important, to the UK anyway. You say that they are capable of transporting thousands of troops, but thats what the UK uses it's military planes for, wether they are jumping out with parachutes or landing on a runway they are still capable of transporting as many people as a carrier is, as they are currently using them in Iran and Afghanistan.

You say I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm talking about how Britain currently operates, and thats quality over quantity, you can have 13 aircraft carriers, but I assure you they wont compare to the UK's Elizibeth class ones currently in construction and due to be finished in 2015, in the meantime theres the nuclear subs and support from the rest of Europe, by 2050 it's said the Royal Navy will once again be a dominate power of the sea's, it will have to since the UK's population is growing at an extreme rate, if you understand what I'm getting at, then again I assume you think I'm a retarded British 'kid' that makes stuff up in order to make his country sound better, I'm only talking facts so you'd be wrong.

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The United States has assets all over the world. United States the largest presence made in the world. China and Russia not so much, firepower isn't military strength so I don't know.
ASSETS, not colonys.

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The UK couldn't nuke the US, because we have the ability to shoot a nuke down before it leaves your continent. The United Kingdom, China, Russia and few other countries have this ability as well, also countries who have nuclear ability, so your statement is again false.
The ability to shoot a missile before it leaves the country? Talk less crap please, the missile has to be within a certain radius before it is detected, military satallites or not. I'm not saying the UK would try to nuke the US, I was using it as an example as I'm British, your American and this discussion is between us, call it Russia if you'd like, but the ability to shoot down nukes like you suggest would make them useless, thats why countrys have more than 1 to fire, you might stop 1, or maybe even 10, but one would eventually hit it's target, same with any country with nuclear power.

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Not everyone needs to be special forces. United States Army break their men down, build them up, train them in boot camp. They are not trained to be special forces, they are trained in their area, and in combat. A basic combat training is all that is needed, and it is up to the officers to guide the foot soldiers to be use strategically in order to gain the advantage over the enemy and eliminate the enemy.
I saw the 'basic training' US soldiers have with that other video in the news section, y'know where he's on the hill running round like a clown in obvious enemy fire.. :roll:

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In which United States and Russia would still be at the top, in addition most nations soldiers are trained by United States forces, so most are well suited. Your statement here isn't to far off. The only group single able to disarm a nation is a Navy Seal, but 1000 soldiers, bit unrealistic mate. Even a team of Seals would be challenged unless it was 1000 100% untrained average joes with a gun. While Navy Seals are at the top of world wide special forces; United Kingdom Special Forces (British Commandos), Russian Spetsnaz, are shortly behind them.

While it does also play into the fact China has the largest standing army, but they (the men) are old and aged. So while its true the pure number isn't really always effective but still and some other of your points may not be as far off as some.
Most nations are trained by the US? Not the UK.. I'de like you to know a high ranking British soldier was murdered in the US whilst on his way to a boot camp to carry out training for some US soldiers, can't remember where it was, saw it on FBI Files.
Only the Seals can wipe out a small army? So your assuming the seals are better than the SAS or Royal Marines?
In 2001 I think it was the SAS wiped out a 200 strong army of African thugs who were armed to their teeth and holding 5 British soldiers hostage, there was 1 casualty, around 150 of the thugs were killed, the rest ran or was arrested.

To be honest with you, I think your extremely big headed or up your own arse to say the US is always up top and the best in the world, which is extremely untrue, I've not once tried to turn the discussion into a 'who is better' argument but it seems you leaned that way, you need to remember every country has it's special forces who are all highly trained and all capable of wiping each other out.

One thing we can/should all agree on is that China is on the right path to world wide domination and the first place on the super powers list, which is a bunch of shit anyway. (The list not China).
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Teddy on November 08, 2012, 07:54:59 pm
I'm not gonna even argue with you. You get facts from American shows and not raw stats, yes I might have been wrong about the Royal Navy and the carriers. If they were useless, they wouldn't make one then.

You are entirely missing the point I stated and trying to play my trucks bigger, which I don't play that game, sorry haven't been 12 in 8 years.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 08, 2012, 11:33:28 pm
I'm not gonna even argue with you. You get facts from American shows and not raw stats, yes I might have been wrong about the Royal Navy and the carriers. If they were useless, they wouldn't make one then.

You are entirely missing the point I stated and trying to play my trucks bigger, which I don't play that game, sorry haven't been 12 in 8 years.
I haven't been 12 in 6 years, what does that have to do with this?
The fact is you insist America is better than the rest of the world at everything involving the military.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Alan.Wake on November 09, 2012, 12:07:15 am
Homemade Taliban bombs > American troops. xD
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Batta on November 09, 2012, 01:00:09 pm
The fact is you insist America is better than the rest of the world at everything involving the military.

Like if we still have to be proud about how many nukes & such s**t we got. I would be proud if I had less of those things.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 09, 2012, 02:32:03 pm
Like if we still have to be proud about how many nukes & such s**t we got. I would be proud if I had less of those things.
Maybe man, I wouldn't want the UK to lose it's nukes though, they are one main thing that stops us from being invaded, I just see a small army being better, why? Theres more time to train each soldier until he can't be trained no more, for example the SAS isnt huge, but every soldier inside it is said to be the worlds most elite. :roll:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Batta on November 09, 2012, 02:43:59 pm
Maybe man, I wouldn't want the UK to lose it's nukes though, they are one main thing that stops us from being invaded, I just see a small army being better, why? Theres more time to train each soldier until he can't be trained no more, for example the SAS isnt huge, but every soldier inside it is said to be the worlds most elite. :roll:

I meant we shouldn't be claiming our big armies and such (not saying you, Mikal, are). They should be used and thought just for defence purposes. I don't think having 394857934 nukes + 3248023489809423089 tanks ships and such is meant for defence..
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 09, 2012, 04:44:39 pm
I meant we shouldn't be claiming our big armies and such (not saying you, Mikal, are). They should be used and thought just for defence purposes. I don't think having 394857934 nukes + 3248023489809423089 tanks ships and such is meant for defence..
Look at it this way, countries only have big militarys if they plan on invading other countries, countries that don't do invading, have smaller militarys and high-tech technology to make it impossible for others/big militarys invading them, the UK is building 2 aircraft carriers, why? By 2050 it's said the UK will have to start invading smaller surrounding countrys such as Ireland and Iceland in order to make room for the ever expanding population, (mainly thanks to immigrents and relaxed immigration laws in Britain), if I were the UK's PM, the UK would be losing around 10million people, that would be immigrents going back to where they came from. :lol:

It's so hard to get a job right now. :cry:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Batta on November 09, 2012, 05:46:02 pm
Look at it this way, countries only have big militarys if they plan on invading other countries, countries that don't do invading, have smaller militarys and high-tech technology to make it impossible for others/big militarys invading them, the UK is building 2 aircraft carriers, why? By 2050 it's said the UK will have to start invading smaller surrounding countrys such as Ireland and Iceland in order to make room for the ever expanding population, (mainly thanks to immigrents and relaxed immigration laws in Britain), if I were the UK's PM, the UK would be losing around 10million people, that would be immigrents going back to where they came from. :lol:

It's so hard to get a job right now. :cry:

You're right in the first part. Can't say you're completely wrong in the second one concretely talking.. Theorically that's completely wrong but I know what it means..

About the invasion thing: lol, neva.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 09, 2012, 06:14:56 pm
You're right in the first part. Can't say you're completely wrong in the second one concretely talking.. Theorically that's completely wrong but I know what it means..

About the invasion thing: lol, neva.
Wrong about what?  :razz:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Batta on November 09, 2012, 06:26:16 pm
Wrong about what?  :razz:

Wrong about immigrants. Theorically.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 09, 2012, 07:53:35 pm
Wrong about immigrants. Theorically.
There are 6,000,000 Muslims in the UK, more than half of which are just having 6 kids per couple and sitting on child benefits and the dole for aslong as they possibly can, basicly screwing our country over through the benefits system which is only meant for those who really can't support their families, now if theres 6 million Muslims, how many other immigrents from other backgrounds are there? I used Muslims because it's seems they are the biggest type of person that comes to the UK, the UK has 62,641,000 people in total, and my guess is up to 20,000,000 of them are immigrents.. :poke:

Immigration laws need to be stricter, immigrants need to be forcefuly removed from the UK to ensure the well-being of the native British citizens, I'm not racist nor facist, just immigrents are the UK's biggest problem.
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on November 09, 2012, 11:58:49 pm
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Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Mikal on November 10, 2012, 12:03:46 am
do u want cat
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It's supposed to be a cat. :redface:
Title: Re: GLOBAL FIRE POWER LIST
Post by: Hybird on November 10, 2012, 12:08:52 am
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