Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: UberPwner on October 14, 2007, 06:02:23 am
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Wii FTW!
It PWNS ALL
If you check stats,
Wii has sold more units then 360 and PS3 COMBINED!
SUCK That 360 Owners.
KTHX!
Mike :D
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Wii FTW!
It PWNS ALL
If you check stats,
Wii has sold more units then 360 and PS3 COMBINED!
SUCK That 360 Owners.
KTHX!
Mike :D
be more critical, less emotional.
Best aspects of each:
Wii: Best control system, big interaction between player and console. Also if I'm not mistaken the cheapest.
XBOX360: Best online playing system a.k.a XBOX live, easy to get it working.
PS3: With best graphics and processing power, delivers great performance, great A.I. in most of the games.
I don't have any of those tho, so it's easier to tell each ones specs. I have played all them on friend's houses and I read so much about all of those. Still, I'm neutral on this poll.
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If you check stats,
Wii has sold more units then 360 and PS3 COMBINED!
SUCK That 360 Owners.
Yes but Now Wii is known for having Crap 5th grader Games with shitty Graphics and crappy Performance
360 FTW
Noob Wii Owner
in short GO F*** Your Self WII OWNER!!!
LOL no offense =P
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I got PS3 is that good thing?
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i suppose
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I got PS3 is that good thing?
Hell yea, my vote went to PS3, It has the greatest performance, (graphics and other things). But still I don't despise the others, I like em too.
Dammit Claire! I want ur PS3 :( I envy you!
/me flies to U.S.A, enters Claire's house and robs her PS3
:D
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* Uberpwner thinks watahell is to late because he already stole it
:D
KTHX!
Mike :D
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lol Wata you cant have it!
PWN4GE you got end of [ /img]
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i had PS3 for a bit, then i sold it. and got 360
then i got red Circle, it sits in my closet(i have no warrenty)
but 360 ftw.
has better + more games.
PS3 was released too early...
:ps: who the fuck has a Blu-Ray Disc anyways?
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i voted for PS2 im a PlayStation Loyal :D i hate xbox's and wii's are so dodgy and have crap games like cooking mama lmfao
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i voted 360 because i have it and i think
is the best..
1 360 has more games from Wii and PS3
2 360 has a easy and very good online gaming
3 360 is microsoft (lol)
WII Sucks like hell
PS3 hmmmm maybe is good i dunno i dont like sony and PS consoles
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360 has most games cuz its been out longer..
DUH?
:poke:
KTHX!
Mike :D
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PS3 for sure, cos Xbox 360 and Wii has so gay design in my oppinion.
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By the way- PS3 XBox 360 and Wii are 7th generation consoles!
XBox 360
+ Good graphics, large veriety of games and and a developed online network (xbox) live, good value console
- Online is not free, large batches of the console admitted to be faulty, created by micosoft...(although not always a bad thing... I suppose). Cannot play Hi Def DVDs without an add on, which was supposed to rival the blue ray disk. Created by an American.
Wii
+ Most interactive of the 3 consoles, good for party games
- Limited playability, very boring if your on your own, least powerful console, we've all had lightgun games for Ps2, this has the same playability... bored after 1 week. Cheapest.
PS3
+ Most powerful console, has the most potential (the PS2 didnt start off very good did it? Still more PS2 consoles have been sold than any other console). Supports DVD and Blueray playback for games and movies alike, blueray is the most advanced console medium with up to approx 50GB space (dual layer!). Most diverse console with support for numerous applications and can support different operating systems. Initial release was not faulty. Created by a Japanese company, leading in a veriety of technologies. Free online gaming.
- Not many launch games. The only good games out now are Resistance- Fall of man, Warhawk and Oblivion IV. Most expensive console, many people in Europe were moaning, despite standalone Blue ray players being over the price of a PS3, and Sony were loosing £15 on every PS3 sold due to the technology installed into the PS3). Sony Network is yet to be fully developed. PS3 titles have had to be dimmed down so they can support xbox 360, and may take a long time for the full potential of PS3 to be released, when the game developers decide to fuck the limits the 360 has, and reach into the real nextgen console, and create a game that uses all 7 cores.
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By the way- PS3 XBox 360 and Wii are 7th generation consoles!
7th, 3rd, Same thing..
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I Vote For PS3 :P
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there is a topic about this, a old one
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Jcstoods said it all...
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Wii sports Tennis FTW
But PS3 owns 360
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Technacly speaking... Litteraly... Xbox 360 Beats PS3 and Wii..
PlayStation 3 Specs:
Graphics: RSX "Reality Synthesizer"
Memory: System Memory 256 MB XDR
Video Memory 256 MB
Digital Media Formats: CR-ROM, CDR+W, DVD, DVD-ROM,
DVD-R, DVD+R
Processor Clock Speed: 3.2 GHz
Internet Speed: 25.6 GB/s main memory bandwidth, 22.4 GB/s video memory bandwidth
How many games are out: Under 45
Xbox 360:
Graphics: Custom ATI Processor
Memory: 512 MB UMA (Shared with GPU)
512 MB UMA (Shared with CPU)
Digital Media Formats: DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA,
CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
Processor Clock Speed: 3.2 GHz x 3 (Total of 9.6 GHz)
22.4 GB/s main memory bandwidth, 256 GB/s to eDRAM, 21.6 GB/s FSB
How Many Games are out: over 170
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Sickness there are lots of holes in your specs of the PS3, including the obvious ones such as blue ray player, all the formats supported by PS3, the fact that is has 7 x 3.2GHz processors, compared to Xbox 360 (only 3 ). SO technically speaking, you are mistaken. PS3 is more advanced than xbox 360 and technically superior. The only thing Xbox beats PS3 is on games, and xbox live. Speaking technically also, games, networking and peripherals do not change the literal specs for the console.
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails_3.htm
Technacly speaking... Litteraly... Xbox 360 Beats PS3 and Wii..
So... no..
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Sickness there are lots of holes in your specs of the PS3, including the obvious ones such as blue ray player, all the formats supported by PS3, the fact that is has 7 x 3.2GHz processors, compared to Xbox 360 (only 3 ). SO technically speaking, you are mistaken. PS3 is more advanced than xbox 360 and technically superior. The only thing Xbox beats PS3 is on games, and xbox live. Speaking technically also, games, networking and peripherals do not change the literal specs for the console.
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails_3.htm
So... no..
Xbox 360 has HD DVD Drive, Which currently is beating the PS3, All things i have left out are the same with PS3 and Xbox
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Xbox 360 has HD DVD Drive, Which currently is beating the PS3, All things i have left out are the same with PS3 and Xbox
Please Explain How.
KTHX!
Mike :D
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Please Explain How.
KTHX!
Mike :D
HD DVD Is more used and more popular then Blu - Ray... :) There :P Also, cheaper
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It's no use, people most of the time will defend the consoles they own.
I have none of those, But I prefer the PS3
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I own a wii but im defending PS cuz it was out longer before XB thus being better in Quality and Quantity
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I own a wii but im defending PS cuz it was out longer before XB thus being better in Quality and Quantity
Yet nintendo was out before playstaion? Thus making the Wii better?
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I don't believe in god, I believe in Microsoft.
Xbox 360 ftw.
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Yet nintendo was out before playstaion? Thus making the Wii better?
You Are Correct!
Clap For You! :) :hurray:
:)
KTHX!
Mike :D
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If anyone would unite WII's controllers with XBOX 360 games I would choose it. WIOX forever!
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Xbox 360 has HD DVD Drive, Which currently is beating the PS3, All things i have left out are the same with PS3 and Xbox
The HD Drive is an added £100, and is an add on so should not be relevant to the sepcs of the 360. The 360 has many games (which are admittedly better) however PS3 has fewer games but more diverse functionality, as well as a much larger processing capability, with that blueray offers games much more potential than DVD's or HD DVDs.
Yet nintendo was out before playstaion? Thus making the Wii better?
Nintendo is great, but the Wii will not outlast the Xbox 360 or PS3, as it is limited in many ways to the processing, specs and controls of games, but then again its possible the Wii might hit back with the most interactive game ever with amazing gameplay and lifespan...
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What the hell, Xbox more games? the only "called" great ones i can think of are Halo 3(<-which i dont like at all) and GoW... and yes, there can be more, im sure. but in november, all good titles for PS3 will come out also, which will have better quality than the Xbox.
and yes, HD DVD is gonna lose it against Blu-ray..
One thing i have to say tho. i had one of the first PS3's. and it stopped taking Discs. now i get a newer version sent home. + the Sixaxis.. i dont like it in many games, it doesnt fit well for sony :D
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The HD Drive is an added £100, and is an add on so should not be relevant to the sepcs of the 360. The 360 has many games (which are admittedly better) however PS3 has fewer games but more diverse functionality, as well as a much larger processing capability, with that blueray offers games much more potential than DVD's or HD DVDs.
Did yo uforget the base price for a Xbox 360 is 250$?... PS3 is 600$
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PS3 came out later, plus it has more features, no excuse
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PS3 came out later, plus it has more features, no excuse
More features... But are they useful.... PS3 is more of a "Here you go, take it or leave it" Xbox is like "Do what you want, Were Great" You can customize the look of Xbox... HDD, And TONS of addons.. PS3... None of that.. Other then a HDD option
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Btw, Ps3 base price is around 420 $ or 300 Euros.
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sickness, you have exactly 666 posts :D
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PS3: 300-450$
Working on internet, but its free?
It will have more games later
Its stronger
XBOX360: 200-300$
it has many games
It has internet, but you have to pay for it
its good enough if you dont want to spend all of you money
Wii: 200-300$
Interactive games
Unique control
Not really strong
Free internet
Cheap
I go for XBOX360, people who mostly play with friends who dont play much games will choose Wii more. PS3 will get better then xbox360 later..
Ok lets calculate..
1 year xbox live = 60$
lets say, xbox is 250$...
And the xbox is out for 2 years (or more)
250 + 120$(60x2) = 370$
or
5 year xbox live = 1 PS3
PS3 internet will be free.. PS3 will defeat xbox360 over time.
The wii will say under xbox and PS3.. maybe they sold the most, but they cant defeat xbox360 and ps3. They dont lose either
:)
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Iv played on the Ps3 (live version) and it seriously sucks compared with the xbox live. It has barely any features compared to xbox live, that my friend is why its free :)
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1 year xbox live = 60$
lets say, xbox is 250$...
And the xbox is out for 2 years (or more)
250 + 120$(60x2) = 370$
or
5 year xbox live = 1 PS3
PS3 internet will be free.. PS3 will defeat xbox360 over time.
The wii will say under xbox and PS3.. maybe they sold the most, but they cant defeat xbox360 and ps3. They dont lose either
:)
You get what you pay for...
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You get what you pay for...
I do suppose your correct.
Xbox is good for Online gaming, [and is onl;y source for good games such as Halo 3, Saints Row... ect]
But, Ps3 Is good for Graphics, and other good games... such as... Ummm.. Resistance and...Hmm, cant think of any..
Wii is good for Inovation because it is Original, and as awesome Uber-1337 Controlers..
and it is good for internet.. and has awesome games such as Wario-Ware Smooth Moves and Red Steel.
:)
KTHX!
Mike :D
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Did yo uforget the base price for a Xbox 360 is 250$?... PS3 is 600$
£100 = 200$
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well, just my last post in this topic: I hate games as Halo, and GoW, so needing to have the Xbox for the titles or Multiplayer only, No. its just what you like and what others dont. my conclusion: i go for the reliability and quality of the PS3 and Blu-Ray, thats all.. :m4: Xbox :sig:
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This is so old, the wii cannot compare to xbox360 or ps3.
They both have pros and cons.
360 has more games...yet
PS3 has no good online sistem...yet
No1 has bluray movies...yet
PS3 has a future, it has what is needed to last longer, 360 is getting without pros, it has a lot of games but soon game developers will learn to get all the power out PS3 and then 360 won't keep up.
Anyway, who cares about that, most games are being released for both consoles so I will go for the best controller, the PS controller, it such a good controller that some brands make them for pc. Plus bluetooth is better than infrared, if you put your hand in front of your opponent controller he will lose the connection with the console. with the PS3 commands you can be on the other side of the wall playing(althouth you wont see what you're doing XD)
Girly comment: PS3 is prettier :girl:
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Girly comment: PS3 is prettier :girl:
lmfao :rofl:
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?... HD DVD Is out for Xbox 360.. and HD DVD Beats Blue Ray by a ton
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in short GO F*** Your Self WII OWNER!!!
LOL no offense =P
*Hyper fucks himself
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At the height of gaming for the xbox360, when the games have used all of the space of a HD DVD and the xbox360's 3 cores are maxing out, with the new games that will be brilliant, PS3 owners are safe in the knowledge, that once developers get past the limits of HD DVD and focus on blueray, and provide a game that uses all 7 processors of PS3 and all of the memory on a blueray disk, that will be when the PS3 will overtake, and that is why it will outlast the 360. I remember the days when PS2 wasnt going so well, I mean look how long it took to bring out legends such as San Andreas! ...
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i voted for PS2 Wii, because im a PlayStation Loyal "Not-Liker" :D i hate playstations's and wii's are so dodgy the most reliable 3rd gen console, and have crap interesting games like cooking mama
Fixed.
Wii is the most reliable, best made console. Has some interesting games and a cool control system.
Xbox 360 is rather unreliable, but has some of the best mainstream games and nice Graphics, also great Xbox Live and HALO. :banana:
PS£ does everything the Xbox does in slightly higher resolution definition, and with almost no good games. So actually, it doesn't do everything the Xbox does. Because the Xbox plays good games. :)
Posted on: October 17, 2007, 05:32:23 PM
At the height of gaming for the xbox360, when the games have used all of the space of a HD DVD and the xbox360's 3 cores are maxing out, with the new games that will be brilliant, PS3 owners are safe in the knowledge, that once developers get past the limits of HD DVD and focus on blueray, and provide a game that uses all 7 processors of PS3 and all of the memory on a blueray disk, that will be when the PS3 will overtake, and that is why it will outlast the 360. I remember the days when PS2 wasnt going so well, I mean look how long it took to bring out legends such as San Andreas! ...
See, this is what confuzzles me.
PS2: Inferior in Spec to Gamecube & Xbox, released first = More Games = Did best.
PS3: Superior in Spec to Wii and 360, released last = No Games = Trying to live off PS2's success?
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At the height of gaming for the xbox360, when the games have used all of the space of a HD DVD and the xbox360's 3 cores are maxing out, with the new games that will be brilliant, PS3 owners are safe in the knowledge, that once developers get past the limits of HD DVD and focus on blueray, and provide a game that uses all 7 processors of PS3 and all of the memory on a blueray disk, that will be when the PS3 will overtake, and that is why it will outlast the 360.
woh, that's a loooong sentence ^^
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At the height of gaming for the xbox360, when the games have used all of the space of a HD DVD and the xbox360's 3 cores are maxing out, with the new games that will be brilliant, PS3 owners are safe in the knowledge, that once developers get past the limits of HD DVD and focus on blueray, and provide a game that uses all 7 processors of PS3 and all of the memory on a blueray disk, that will be when the PS3 will overtake, and that is why it will outlast the 360. I remember the days when PS2 wasnt going so well, I mean look how long it took to bring out legends such as San Andreas! ...
If you remember, in the begining people compared PS2 with Dreamcast, if you still remember it or if you're one of those idiots who bought it cause some mags said it pwned PS2 you will see that sony didn't change their philosophy at all. PS3 is the new PS2 in all things, history will repeat itself and Xbox will just not die cause microsoft is not a small company like sega and they can get ways to keep selling, but eventually they will drop it when they see that profit ended.
Like with PS2, consoles will come and go but PS will always be there to compete.
People forget fast. Learn from the errors of the past.
About wii, anyone of you owned a N64?
It was better than most consoles that time, but that cartrige thing...
Being inovative isn't a good way to try selling.
And if you're coming out with arguments about the wii controller, one word for you.
X-AXIS
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Uh, you know the X-AXIS was actually stolen from the Wii Controller because Sony had no good ideas? Yea? k.
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yep that's right. And that's why the release was later. they planed to release it sooner, but then the Wii got released and they thought, let's do that to...
" " the PS3
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For gaming only, I would buy the Xbox 360.
For multimedia/gaming (i.e. living room networking on the internet, movies, music), I would buy the PS3.
The PS3 has allot more features than the Xbox 360, to be honest.
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I plane on buying a PS3 soon, so yeah, PS3 gets my vote, i've always liked the Play Station 2 for the easy controls.
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Uh, you know the X-AXIS was actually stolen from the Wii Controller because Sony had no good ideas? Yea? k.
so what, consumers like me don't give a shit about who invented it first, what matters is that it's there.
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Maybe you guys should move to the kill-zone :conf:
lol
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so what, consumers like me don't give a shit about who invented it first, what matters is that it's there.
But you were using it as a counter-argument against the Wii controller. All I was saying is that the Wii controller did it (and obviously, it is still better than the X-Axis, as Sony couldn't get the design right).
So, don't argue then change the point when you are beaten in the argument. :D
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Lets Dumb Down the flame a bit please :flame:
KTHX!
Mike :D
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But you were using it as a counter-argument against the Wii controller. All I was saying is that the Wii controller did it (and obviously, it is still better than the X-Axis, as Sony couldn't get the design right).
Th PS controller has the best design ever in controlers history, if that wasn't true they would have changed it since the first PSX
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I own a PS2 to, but I have to say the xbox360 controllers are nicer, I still gotta buy one :roll:
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I own a PS2 to, but I have to say the xbox360 controllers are nicer, I still gotta buy one :roll:
Why?
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I say buy all of them, if you have the money.
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Why?
It just feels nicer, and the triggers are much better. With a PS controller the triggers are to flat :neutral:
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It just feels nicer, and the triggers are much better. With a PS controller the triggers are to flat :neutral:
The PS3 controllers have new triggers
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ok cool, but didnt you say you liked the PS controllers because they never changed? that they never changed because they were the best from the begining?
Th PS controller has the best design ever in controlers history, if that wasn't true they would have changed it since the first PSX
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ok cool, but didnt you say you liked the PS controllers because they never changed? that they never changed because they were the best from the begining?
I was reffering the shape(design) of the remote, that shape is the most ergonomically there is.
I've played with lots of controllers, I sweat a lot from my hands when playing and most controllers except the PS ones make my hands slip from place, even worse if your playing at your friends 360 and (I hate people that eat snacks when working with electronic devices) his controllers are greazy.
If you notice holding the PS controllers is like holding 2 guns, you hands never slip from place and all buttons are easily reachable.
Looks like I'm advertising PS but no, I'm just a PS fanboy.
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you hands never slip from place and all buttons are easily reachable.
And with the 360 controllers ur hands DO slip?
btw, the buttons are axactly at the same places...
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And with the 360 controllers ur hands DO slip?
btw, the buttons are axactly at the same places...
yes they sometimes do, but 360 controllers are my second choice. So I'm not saing their bad, I'm just saing that IMO PS are better.
But in 360 it's common for you acidently press the config button and that not good and the back button is B instead of Y which is the PS triangle.
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I've played the wii, the graphics remind me of the Game Cubes graphics, just messed around a little.
The Wii also comes with injuries. :hit:
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Amen to dat Brother!!! :hurray:
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The Playstation controller breaks my hands :neutral:
The Gamecube had the most comfortable controller :).
Also, how do you mean with B, Y, Triangle etc.? Back should be either left or right of the "Main" button (A/P's X).
And as for the Playstation Controller's buttons, I haven't had a rich friend to show me their PS£'s, but the PS2 controller certainly had very light, annoyingly unclickable buttons :P
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The Playstation controller breaks my hands :neutral:
The Gamecube had the most comfortable controller :).
And as for the Playstation Controller's buttons, I haven't had a rich friend to show me theirs, but the PS2 controller certainly had very light, annoyingly unclickable buttons :P
I have to agree on the PS2 buttons thing, but thats only because they are analog, fortunately they fixed it on PS3.
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Th PS controller has the best design ever in controlers history, if that wasn't true they would have changed it since the first PSX
Have a look at this
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/SNES_Controller.jpg/800px-SNES_Controller.jpg)
(https://www.ps2repairs.co.uk/catalog/images/ps2_sony_controller.jpg)
Im not saying this is a bad thing.
but all Sony did was put Analog sticks and added handles.
:)
KTHX!
Mike :D
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I had PS2 so PS3 is best I guess. Haven't even heard of WII or 360 before. :roll:
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Lol?
you've never heard of Wii and 360? :wow:
shame on you ^^
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Lol?
you've never heard of Wii and 360? :wow:
shame on you ^^
Nah, no need to know.
Everything needed = PC, others are useless. :razz:
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Yeah, you've got a point there.
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Have a look at this
Im not saying this is a bad thing.
but all Sony did was put Analog sticks and added handles.
:)
KTHX!
Mike :D
And the handles make all the diference, look at that, so simetrical, so organized, so beautifull.
(https://www.ps2repairs.co.uk/catalog/images/ps2_sony_controller.jpg)
:bow: bow before teh PSX controller!!!!
:pop: worship it!
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Eww ¬____¬
This is what you want:
(http://www.playboxx-games.com.sg/images/wii_gamecube_controller.jpg)
:banana: :banana: :bow:
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Wii has the best control out there. But GC... Eeww :trust:
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Wii has the best control out there. But GC... Eeww :trust:
If you want to injure your hands in a lamp or some other object.
In the GC controller it seems that some one throw up the buttons and they stayed there.
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they fixed the problems with the injuries by replacing all the old straps with new stronger ones.
id have to say wii or pc
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Basically, the PS Controller is the old SNES Controller, + Handles + Control Sticks.
The GC Controller = the PS Controller but buttons put in better places, and moulded to Human Hands.
For some reason, the PS Controller never seems to sit right in my hands.
And don't even get me started on the PSP..
Massive Hand-Related Long-Term Acheage FTW?
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lol I have a psp and it fits perfectly on my hands, better than gloves
Do you even have one? (no offense)
And BTW I'll say again: No point cuz everyone defends what they have blindly.
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I have played on my brother's PSP a number of times. After which, my hands hurted severely. He also regrets trading in his DS for the PSP.
PSP is coming to an end, and DS is dawning. :banana:
And Wata, I agree. I don't have a Playstation 2 or 3 (I'm not make of money :lol:). But whenever I play on a PS2, it seems all my feelings of it are proven, with the graphical badness and the gameplay lacking and the... :hah:
I still think the PS£ Bluray was a mistake. Dreamworks, Paramount and Universal all have made contracts to produce nothing for the Bluray, which kind of puts Sony in a hole there..
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Panda, I played with my PSP for an entire week. 12 hours per day. No hand injuries at all. Miracle? Super hands?
Try to stop defending urs are analize the other's. I mean. I have a PSP. But DS is also nice. The touchscreen is awesome.
We can never say: Oh. this one was a big mistake. No. This one pwns. It's just better. Game over for the console "x".
Think about it.
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PS sucks, face it.
.. I'm kidding. =) :banana: :banana:
Thats my opinion.. people are entitled to whatever they believe. If you own a PS, you're gonna like it and thats fine, I mean Tekken 3 was great (the Panda :redface:).
My hands haven't grown to reach into themselves, so I have trouble handling a PSP. I don't particularly like DS, if you wish to know that. Thats my opinion. :)
Opinions /=/ Fact.
Fact = Undisputed Information and View.
Opinion = Disputed Information and View.
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heh, but at least you could be nice to the opponent consoles :razz:
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heh, but at least you could be nice to the opponent consoles :razz:
http://www.smashmyps3.com/ (http://www.smashmyps3.com/)
:banana:
:lol: Jokes
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I still think the PS£ Bluray was a mistake. Dreamworks, Paramount and Universal all have made contracts to produce nothing for the Bluray, which kind of puts Sony in a hole there..
That's not certain.
Besides, most movies come out in both formats. Check this list. Thats reffering to 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_in_home_video (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_in_home_video)
Posted on: 28-10-2007, 11:29:08
http://www.smashmyps3.com/ (http://www.smashmyps3.com/)
:banana:
:lol: Jokes
look at that quality!!!, the guy has having difficulties to brake it. I though it only brake in pieces has soon has it hit the floor but I believe it would still work. A wii would brake has soon has you steeped on it. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoyp71xw3w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoyp71xw3w)
Almost convinced me, but I would still go for the "large and in charge"
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Have you ever even held a Wii? It is probably the strongest Console, I know as I kicked it through the air(intentionally.. kinda). Not a scratch :D
Also, your list is 2006. I'm not sure on the Bluray thing I said however - I'll double check it. I do know something was done though.