Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Luca_Scalise on October 13, 2007, 06:24:05 am
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1. i met gay ppl before, they creep me out
2. the bible says that anyone who isnt straight will burn in hell, thats why i dont respect homos
Im not surprised about your ignorance about Science and the Chatolic religion (without offence)
"God" Never said Homosexuals are against nature...never...the church, the popes said that...not god. The Greeks..the fathers of Democracy were bisexuals, the Romans were bisexuals...those who conquered europe, north africa, middle east...you live in a nation with laws based on the acient roman laws...as all modern countries. Alexander the Great was Homosexual, Achilles was homosexual. The pope is elected in a room with nacked men painted on the ceiling, painted by Michelangelo...one of greatest painters in the world...who was homosexual. Freddy Mercury was homosexual. Homosexual sexual behavior occurs also in the animal kingdom, especially in social species, particularly in marine birds and mammals, monkeys, and the great apes. Homosexual behavior has been observed among 1,500 species, and in 500 of those it is well documented. Is not against nature, don't worry...you are just ignorant in science. All those countries where people don't respect homosexuals there are: Dictatorships (Remember what Nazism, Fascism and Communism have done to homosexuals), or religions such Islam and the Roman Catholic Church that don't like Homosexuals cause they are trapped in a past of crusades, mass murdering, tortures against women and girls, scandals, pedophile priests and all the most horrible things the human mind has created in 2000 years of history.
Travel the world, exchange opinions, meet different cultures and people with different opinions...thats how people get out of mass ignorance and really gain their freedom.
The bible says i will burn in hell cause i don't beleive in god, but if you look around you can spot another hell, much more near then "that" hell you are talking about
Made new topic for Religion, but this is not to flame anybody but to discuss about it: [R*]Jubin
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Pistol_Man.
This comment, is very uncalled for Pistol_Man.
You offended Sharpis.
He may seem like no one to you. But he is someone to us.
Now how do you know that this offended Sharphis? Sharphis himself only knows what offends him and what doesn't.
PS: About God and Bible.
Anyone please don't start arguing about that does God exists or not this is endless arguing and if USA has on his money "In God we trust" let it be. We all believe in something or somebody. Most of the people themselves.
What does bible say about incest? Because that what was happening in the Old Testament.
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Actually, I'm an agnostic, dunno if you can call that believing in anything...
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Well you can take agnosticism also as a belief.
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My beliefs are a little screwy.
I believe that the virgin mary was raped, and becuase it would have been a stonable offence back then, she covered it up, and the child got mixed up, sure, he could have pulled a few miracles out of luck, but i think he was just a confused kid brought up being told that, and he believed it. And about the re-rising, theres no definate that it happened and could be faked to make him look real, or it could have been someone that looked like him.
The apostles were living for years, being told they were with gods son, isnt it bound to have happened that they would imagine him coming to them from death?
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I do not believe in god. In fact, I think that god is a thing that human being created to not dispair in such world of backstabbing, to not go in a depression when are you are close to death and stuff like that.
Still, religion is an opnion, and opnion are like assholes, everyone has them... You know the rest ;)
I think its futile to discuss about it, it isn't taking us anywhere, some will believe until death and some won't ever accept it.
:ps: The statement above is not meant to offend the posters on this topic, ok? only peace ;)
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Well you can take agnosticism also as a belief.
1. thank you Jubin, I love this subject.
2. Jubin, yes I guess you're right, but seeing as I'm leaning a little to atheism aswell, I don't know what to call it... Agnosteism? :S
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Im Christian as in Baptist so I believe in God <33
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Whatahell, a discussion doesn't have to convince anyone into anything. It's an interesting subject and it's always fun to see what people think and feel on the subject.
yours, Abraham.
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Yeah, I know Abe, (abe reminds me babe btw :P) but it's necessary to remind it to some people because sometimes they
feel offended and stuff. It's just not to let it go in a inflammatory discussion. ;)
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Good point, and if I may ask, you're an atheist?
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On the dot. I was christian until I was 10, then I started researching history and discovered some things that made me atheist...
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Christian Ftw!!
Baptist is better
Reason:free meal after the service!
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Difference plz?
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I don't rly believe in anything right now .. :neutral:
:ps: "Att kriga över religion är som att slåss om vem som har bäst låtsaskompis"
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USA has on his money "In God we trust" let it be.
They also have a sign 'All others cash'' ;)
Pistol Man, for a Christian and believer in God to wish someone to burn in hell is the highest form of insult. Please think before you write such a thing.
When you look around you at the world and what is happening, it is hard to believe we are one with the rest of it. This is why there is a need for a higher beeing, who can at the same time watch over us and correct when we do something wrong.
It does not matter if you believe in God, Allah, Buddha or the Pharaoh. They all tell you to live your life in a way that you do not harm or think bad of others, and if you do cross that line to repent the actions or thoughts that caused harm. You can follow these rules without believing in a God, there is nobody who can take the blame for you.
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Will u accept one Orthodox in your discussion? :razz:
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Many things can be found back thats written in the bible.. The bible said something about how the future will look, read it and you will see some of them already happened... And if you read more you will see that the other ones will most likely happen too :) (dont ask me where in the bible, cant remember)
Something about nucliar weapons I think.. (or rockets)
I believe god exists. :D
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I belive that God exists.
but i do not follow his ways, mor do i belive his shit talk, called his "prophecies",
i think it is all lies of what he says and what his followers push in your face.
my sister is christian, and she never went to church before, then some asshole came and told her to start going to a church, and now she is brainwashed with lies of Bliss and heaven.
she gives money to somthing that you will never see.
all christians do.
If God is So almighty and powerful, Then why does he let people die...
Why does he let Cancer and Disease Exist?
Why dosent he make all of our lives Peaceful and give us whatever we wanted...
Why dosent he make earth have unlimited resourses...
Why dosent he take war and death and suffereung...
He fills innocent people with an Unfulfilled promise of heaven on earth...
God is the reason we live in dismay.
It is his will that this world is suffering.
If we do not believe what he foretell's. all we can do is expect afterlife will be hell.
he the one who killed his own son. We are the ones he is blaming it on. Lust was created beginning with hymn.
When we indulge we are guilty of sin. We Torture our lives with confusion and lies.
Children are dying and this you're content. No intervention from angels above...
God is the reason that Satan lives on.
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Oh, I read something about the "why doesn't god make the world a perfect place" and I believe we ruined that chance once we ate that apple from eden... you know, eve and adam...
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haha, lmfao...
yea, was it adam, or eve, who ate the apple?
Either way, he gave a Big " F you " to God with that :P
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The first post was an answer to Pistol Man in the sharphis' topic, expecially an answer for the sentence:
"2. the bible says that anyone who isnt straight will burn in hell, thats why i dont respect homos"
And in front of this racist and discriminating opinions i must say something.
First, if god said that (and unfortunatly he said that) then he is racist and he discriminates humans only cause they have different choices
Second, i wont and i will never beleive in something that threats you like: Go to church or you will burn in hell, beleive in me or i will send you in hell and you will burn, do what i say or you will burn in hell. These sentences are equals to dictatorships and dictators speech and laws...and i am against dictators,
Third, i wont beleive in the chatolic religion cause of the oppressive presence of the Roman Church in Italy. You should live here here for 1 or 2 months to check with your eyes the situation. The priests threat you to go to church (I don't care, but some people are still afraid), they force you to donate thing such money, clothes, even jewerly, or you will be know as a bastard, heretic or else...i don't care obviously since i have a mind and a brain, but a lot of people still think they will die in hell if they don't obey.
Jesus has never said you must go to church and beleive in a "pope" to be a good christian..neither to beleive in saints and other stuff.
The main objective of the pope is receive privileges from the Italian Government, Privileges such no taxes for properties (75% of buildings are in the hands of the vatican, at least in italy..), and taxes for italians to pay and maintain the church (the famous 8 x 1000: 8€ for "1000 people").Another issue is the Vatican Radio Transmitter in the City of Rome (6.000.000 of people)
Vatican Radio covers a large area of the Rome municipality, as set by the 'extraterritorial right' in Italian law. To cover such a large area, the radio station has around 60 pylons higher than 10 meters (328 ft). Since this part of Rome is not under Italian jurisdiction, these transmitters are not subject to the Italian laws that limit the radiation that a radio station can emit. In the vicinity of these pylons, the radiation emitted can be more than the double the amount allowed by Italian law, as verified officially by the Italian Civil Defense and the Department for the Environment of the region of Lazio.This situation causes much disturbance to the lives of the people living in this area: the most common complaints are that one can hear the transmissions breaking through on telephones, and many other electronic devices. (Due in many cases to the devices having poor electromagnetic immunity to the strong signals) The Region of Lazio has also found that the people in the area around the emitters are much more likely to have leukemia: the closer those in the examined sample lived to the radio station, the more likely they were to have leukemia, up to 6 times the Italian national average. (Agenzia di SanitàPubblica - Regione Lazio - March 2001). Vatican radio was recently subject to a lawsuit from the Regional Health Department for "Throwing of dangerous things" on the Italian ground. Every time it was sued the radio showed the 'Lateran Treaty', bilateral agreements signed by the Holy See and Benito Mussolini during Fascism.So, currently, the Roman Church uses as excuse a treaty signed with a war criminal like Mussolini to damage Italians and make spread their propaganda, while italy even if a non-democratic nation is against the fascism.
Conclusion...The pope says he is Jesus/God on earth and he act like a Corleone Boss who only cares about profits and privilege and causes leukemia? (I mean the real Corleonesi not the Argonath clan lol) And god does not punish him? Yes...if i think on it...i can say i don't beleive in god because of the behaviour of the Roman Church.
For now, thats all
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Also, when people go around in the street and in church and stuff, say "Jesus Cured my weight problem"
"Jesus cured my cancer"
"jesus answered my prayers"
It is all science & Co-incidence...
it is all explainable.
Weight problem: Jesus didnt do it, you got off your fat ass and started excersising.
Cancer: Cancer can be cured with Chemotherapy.
Prayers: all coincidence, like "jesus, let daddy come home tonight".
when you were praying, he was already on his way home...
see what i mean?
:ps: Hell yea, go Luca
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Luca and Rob, you guys said it all, pretty much everything that's in my mind about God.
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I believe Jesus said something that god should not be worshiped in a church, dunno where I got it from.
What I read from Lucas post makes me sad.
The thing with god and such is really confusing, but seeing as I'm an agnostic I really don't have an opinion, my reason for leaning a little towards atheism is because the atheist can explain most things, but they cannot explain such things at: What happens when you die.
So as an Agnostic, I say, You can't know anything for sure. God might exist, he might not, you can't prove he exist nor can you prove he doesn't.
yes, you can prove some of the bible wrong, but you can't prove that there is no higher beings, such as god.
Remember people, there is allot other religions than Christianity, take Hinduism for an example, also there is a Jedi religion somewhere in Britain... ;)
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Alright, this is your fault: it's all your fault that you're about to have to go through me talk about religion, and homosexuality.
Now, I was in church with my father when I was a young boy, but for several years, I got away from it, avoiding having to go every Sunday and listen to people tell the same boring story over and over, about some guy who was so great in his day, but today wouldn't show up even if we were in the deepest pit of peril, on our death bed, or so depressed and destroyed mentally and emotionally that we could hardly speak.
About a year or more ago, I got back into church, when my girlfriend invited me to come with her one Sunday to a very small, local church. I reluctantly agreed, taking it more as a chance to be around her, than a chance to be in the house of God or to study the history and happenings of the Holy Bible.
For a year or so, things were great, and I was even baptized, having claimed (and honestly believed) to have found religion, and to have spoken to God in my head. I was baptized, felt alright for a while, and even became something I'm honestly not for a while (listened to Gospel and Country, stopped cussing, et cetera).
Yet, the church eventually died out, so that I stopped going. Me and my girlfriend broke up, and having all of this time to think, I finally realize that regardless of whether religion is worth it or not, and regardless of whether there is a God or not, we all have to have something to believe in. We all need something that tells us "it's worth to continue going", whether it be religion and a god or some form, or whether it be something more futile and idolistic, like a trip to Disneyland, or something along those lines.
As for homosexuality, I've never liked seeing two guys on each other - never. Not my thing, and never will be, but even at that, I don't put it down and strike it out as a terrible thing. I refuse to be around homosexual males, but outside of that, they can do what they want, I don't care. Now, homosexual females are another subject for another time, and a much more adult-oriented thread. :D
In conclusion, whatever comments were once made about the Bible saying homosexuality is wrong, just ignore them. I never read the full Bible, but I never remember it saying "Though shall not have cordial relations with someone of the same sex." Maybe it did, but I never saw it, or heard about it directly saying that.
It's all on pretense, people. Leave it as simple as that.
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As for homosexuality, I've never liked seeing two guys on each other - never. Not my thing, and never will be, but even at that, I don't put it down and strike it out as a terrible thing. I refuse to be around homosexual males, but outside of that, they can do what they want, I don't care. Now, homosexual females are another subject for another time, and a much more adult-oriented thread. :D
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Yep Sickness, sad or not, that is what many heterosexual males think. I have to admit that I like to watch videos that include 2 females doing things together, but if it was males, no thanks.. Still it doesn't mean that I have anything against bi/homosexual men.
Also, do you really have to post stuff like "......." ? If you're going to post something, atleast say something in that post, don't just flood smileys or dots please.
But anyways, this topic is about religion and we should stay on topic. I don't really believe in anything, but sometimes when something really fucks up, I start to think like "Oh noes, help me god" and I usually get that help. Coincidence or not, dunno. ;)
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After 2000 years, its hard to know who said what. There is still a censure on some books that speak about Jesus and his mother Mary...obviously is not a law, but most of people don't buy them cause they are chatolic and they follow what the commands of the church.
All i know is what the church, in name of god and jesus, have done in the last 1700 years...
And i can't ignore someone who say: i beleive in god, but i don't respect homosexuals, they make me creep, i feel disgusted, i feel embarassed.
I am not homosexual, i will never marry or love a man...but this does not means i should disrespect someone cause my love is oriented to another way. Expecially if someone command me to disrespect some people.
I want to show another example.
1 year ago, some italian parties proposed a law to recognize some rights to the "Couples of fact", i don't know how to translate it in english...something like: you live with your lover since 9-10 years ago, and you would like to assure him/her a future in case of death or if you want to keep sharing your life with him/her in an early future. This law was named PACS and then renamed DICO "DIritti e doveri delle persone stabilmente COnviventi", in english: "Rights and duties of people who firmly live togheter". Rights such some help to pay bills, help to buy books for sons and daughters, some privileges and less bureaucracy...the dream of millions of couples. Obviously make a choice was impossible (All or nobody, differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals were not acceptable by the left wing of the italian government) and the law included also homosexual couples...but the Pope, from his window in Vatican City declared: the DICO are against the family and the Chatolic religion, they are against the normal italian families and they are not acceptable. So the majority of politicians suddenly changed their opinions, priests started to make some propaganda against the DICO and people have lost their hope in the Government and a finally a democratic change. Actually, in Italy the Mayors have the right to marry people...not yet homosexuals couples, but is still a way to avoid the Church and the priests.
That law has been forgotten, deleted from the projects of the Welfare State because the Church, once again, showed its oppression on italians. And the politicians proved again Italy is not a democratic country.
The religion is the third cause of deaths and wars
1. Petrol
2. Money
3. Religion
Is all still on topic....and the expression: "Oh god" is an idiom in the majority of languages...so its automatic when something bad or strange happen...you say "Oh my god!" or even "ZOMGORZ"
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Russians have a difference in meaning "believer" and "religious"...
Religious people are like strict community, that should go to the church trust all padres say, make rituals, like drinking vine with bread, water christens, etc...
Believers just believe - there is something, which can be also called "God", or believe in some Good Power and Bad power, etc...
So actually, believer and religious people are different for Russia... Telling "I am religious" does not mean "I am believer"... And "religious" is mainly like to bad word... Telling "I am believer" does not mean "I am religious", and it has more positive answers...)))
:ps: I like charismatics... they are funny...)))
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Yep Sickness, sad or not, that is what many heterosexual males think. I have to admit that I like to watch videos that include 2 females doing things together, but if it was males, no thanks.. Still it doesn't mean that I have anything against bi/homosexual men.
Also, do you really have to post stuff like "......." ? If you're going to post something, atleast say something in that post, don't just flood smileys or dots please.
But anyways, this topic is about religion and we should stay on topic. I don't really believe in anything, but sometimes when something really fucks up, I start to think like "Oh noes, help me god" and I usually get that help. Coincidence or not, dunno. ;)
By "......." I was saying "Thats... so hypocritical" I know he dosent want to look at two guys, But if hes saying he dosen like Gay/Bisexual people.. Thats wrong.. I think i misunderstood what he said so.. Sorry
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Im not catholic or christian, i dont believe in gods way, i believe in valhalla, i believe more that Odin , Thor, Loki , Frey, Freya , Idun , Sif and Hel
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Im not catholic or christian, i dont believe in gods way, i believe in valhalla, i believe more that Odin , Thor, Loki , Frey, Freya , Idun , Sif and Hel
I don't believe on those, but I always studied em' closely cuz they are fascinating ;)
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By "......." I was saying "Thats... so hypocritical" I know he dosent want to look at two guys, But if hes saying he dosen like Gay/Bisexual people.. Thats wrong.. I think i misunderstood what he said so.. Sorry
The Woman man has a point.
so yeh...
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im not a relegious, im a believer
now lemme explain this shit for you
If u think god doesnt exist.....think , use ur damn brain :poke:
Who made the sky? did it just exist?
Who made the earth flat when its really round?
Who gave us air to breathe?
who created the world, the universe? dont bullshit me and say it existed by itself because thats impossible
God isnt making the world perfect because he's testing us, to see if we will still believe in him even though he didnt make everything perfect?
God made it against the relegion to be a faggot because when ur a faggot, ull get many diseases such as syphillis and u will die, he didnt just make it against the relegion without a reason, everything god made is for a reason
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Aiden you cant make someone believe samething as you believe.
If you really believe then you should know God gave us free choice, and he didnt make religion against faggots he loves everyone go read bible again buddy.
Much love,
!~Claire~!
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Aiden you cant make someone believe samething as you believe.
If you really believe then you should know God gave us free choice, and he didnt make religion against faggots he loves everyone go read bible again buddy.
Much love,
!~Claire~!
he gave u a free choice but he wont be happy with u at the judgment day, and i suggest u go read the bible because faggots are against relegion, and im not makin anyone believe im just giving advice , otherwise why should i give a f*** about all of u? believe or dont believe my ass, im not the one burning in hell
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Prove it to me that God doesnt like what you call "faggots" then I will believe your lies.
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Prove it to me that God doesnt like what you call "faggots" then I will believe your lies.
if u want proof go read the bible, im not prooving anything to u, its ur choice to believe me or not, im just sending god's message, otherwise im not the one burning in hell
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Until you can get quite from bible Im calling your words lies here is quote from famous God believer
“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.†Martin Luther
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Until you can get quite from bible Im calling your words lies here is quote from famous God believer
“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.†Martin Luther
ok man Im a liar, all i say is lies, dont listen to me
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I gave your opnion and You gave your, sorry for calling you a liar. Here is another one
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16
He didnt say he like strait people but the world which means gay, lesbian, and bisexuals.
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I gave your opnion and You gave your, sorry for calling you a liar. Here is another one
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16
He didnt say he like strait people but the world which means gay, lesbian, and bisexuals.
yeh like I said god loves all of us but he aint so happy and proud of homos.
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Like Martin Luther said they just need more attention from God lol
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Like Martin Luther said they just need more attention from God lol
this is the first time i know martin luther is god's messenger, everything he says is true lol, but anyways......it was nice being called a liar and chating with u, now im gon to sleep
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im not a relegious, im a believer
now lemme explain this shit for you
If u think god doesnt exist.....think , use ur damn brain :poke:
Who made the sky? did it just exist?
Who made the earth flat when its really round?
Who gave us air to breathe?
who created the world, the universe? dont bullshit me and say it existed by itself because thats impossible
God isnt making the world perfect because he's testing us, to see if we will still believe in him even though he didnt make everything perfect?
God made it against the relegion to be a faggot because when ur a faggot, ull get many diseases such as syphillis and u will die, he didnt just make it against the relegion without a reason, everything god made is for a reason
Mmmm...good point
Who made the viruses?
Who made the cancer?
Who made the natural disasters that kill thousands of innocents?
Who let the human kind destroy the planet?
Who let the humans torture and kill other humans?
Who let them kill people in the name of god?
He creates us and then he let us destroy ourselfs? What kind of person would be god? Horrible, a terrible dictator who force us to obey him but he still punish us (few months ago in italy a Woman is died in a church cause the crucifix has felt down from the wall on her head).
God created 1 man and 1 woman and then they generated the human kind?
Adam, Eve and 2 sons Cain and Abel...and Cain kills Abel. So how the human kind has occupied the planet? Incest? Even if Adam and eve kept making babies...we are descentants of a mass incest?
And the dinosaurs...they aren't even mentioned in the bible, where do they come from? And why did they disappeared then?
With this logic, the whole Chatolic religion falls.
If he created the earth, why there are billions of stars and galaxies around us?
In origin the religion was a way to explain the unknow, the sky, the night, the fire, the thunders...cause our descendants were not equipped with the technology is today available such observatories and microscopes. But a day, someone had the brilliant idea to use this thing to make profits and force the masses to obey them...and after 2000 years has come the time to look at the facts and admit: the religion has been abused in all ways possible. And there aren't gods behind the clouds who are watching us. We have reached the surface of Mars, and all we have spotted is empty space and red sand.
If god created the universe, he is the worst manager i have ever seen...
I am a free man, and nobody can take my freedom...neither an invisible god who seems in holyday since he let his son get killed by the Romans, neither a god who let childrens die of hunger and leukemia, neither a god who let priests abuse of kids, neither a god who let people kill and torture in his name.
He is no more the god of the human kind, he abandoned us...if he even existed, and i don't see any reason to beleive in him,
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Why are you (idiots) quoting the bible when Pistol man said himself he's not a religious man but a believer.
The bible = christians book of god or whatever, there is allot other books to believe in. Just because you believe god doesn't mean you're a god damn christian, Pistol, if you believe the bible, I suggest you read it. Last time I checked, god made homos, bisexuals, gamblers and random sinners drown or something... Am I not correct? Now I'm not a christian so I haven't read the bible, and to be honest, I would rather read the god damn koran before reading the bible.
Now... Lets talk about hinduism instead? lol.
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Why are you (idiots) quoting the bible when Pistol man said himself he's not a religious man but a believer.
The bible = Christians book of god or whatever, there is allot other books to believe in. Just because you believe god doesn't mean you're a god damn christian, Pistol, if you believe the bible, I suggest you read it. Last time I checked, god made homos, bisexuals, gamblers and random sinners drown or something... Am I not correct? Now I'm not a Christian so I haven't read the bible, and to be honest, I would rather read the god damn koran before reading the bible.
Now... Lets talk about Hinduism instead? lol.
I really do think that you should read the bible,
I am a devotional Christian and i believe that people go to hell because they have a choice to believe in God Or not. Hitler [EG] would have gone to heaven of he prayed for forgiveness and was a christian and went to heaven , But, who knows, maybe he did make it to heaven.
And Im Not Saying Asking For Forgivness/Becoming a christian at the last min will get you to heaven.
God let people have a choice in what they believe. He didn't want himself to be the puppeteer and us be the puppets.
In Gods Eyes He believes that Lying Is a Bad As Murder, But as long if you pray for God to forgive you, you will go to heaven, and only because Jesus Died for your Sins.
The following is not ment to affend any atheist, it is a point of view
I once did a Research Project on Steven Hawking, A Famous Atheist That Came up with the theory of a "Big Bang"
He was onced interviewed and was asked Quote: "If The Big Bang Is Real, What Made The Big Bang "Bang"" End Quote
and he answered Quote: "It Is Impossible to even think of a creation with out a God[More was there but i didnt include] " End Quote
@ Fatboy_rob, Luca_Scalise.
I myself as a Christian do not believe that Christianity is a total Brain-Wash idea, As i said before, God Lets you have a choice to what you believe in.
KTHX!
Mike :D
:ps: Dont say "Omg Mike Is Pushing me into the bible", im just saying my Opinion, BECAUSE I HAVE AN ASSHOLE! :D
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How do you know God is a guy?...
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Abe, the question is...
How do you know god exists?
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He didn't say anything about knowing god exists...
Religion = Belief, not facts.
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yup, but id rather not praise somthing, that i cannot see.
id like to praise somthing, that i have seen.
and i know of which is real...
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Mike, don't worry, I like your point, you are just sharing your opinion, and I think that's very important. ;)
But my point is the same as Hayden's and Luca's;
If there is an almighty god, then:
Why does death exist?
Why do people suffer in the hands of those powerfull? (I mean, those with a lot of cash, gangsters, mafias and so on)
Why does the ambition, (I mean, the bad ambition) corruption, hate exist?
Why do we suffer?
Why does the "bad guys" always triumph over the weak?
Why do disease, virus cancer, virus exist?
Why does god leave people die, torture, destroy things "that he created"?
Why? How can a person kill in the name of god???
Then, on my opinion, cuz I do have an asshole, if there is a god, he is kind enough to leave people suffering.
Now, have you ever stopped to think about such thing?
I'd rather believe in some kind of backstabber with sometimes a corrupt heart, but has the power to heal you, even if it is for money, such as a medic, than pray my whole life for nothing. For me, I live only once. And I cannot waste my opportunity.
I know, for me, god was a protection. I had hard time to believe he didn't exist, but once I got out of that shell, I feel a stronger person.
KNP!
Arthur :D
:ps: No offense for the believers. I just want to register my point.
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If there is an almighty god, then:
Why does death exist?
Why do people suffer in the hands of those powerfull? (I mean, those with a lot of cash, gangsters, mafias and so on)
Why does the ambition, (I mean, the bad ambition) corruption, hate exist?
Why do we suffer?
Why does the "bad guys" always triumph over the weak?
Why do disease, virus cancer, virus exist?
Why does god leave people die, torture, destroy things "that he created"?
OK Orthodox bible say it is all His greater plan, fate of every living being is written in His book, and when your number shows up, u are called to Him, also when the day of reckoning comes only those pure in hearth will be called upon to be saved by Him, that all those questions are just His great plans
"God works in mysterious ways, that cant be understood by common man"
Didn't read Catholic bible but I'm sure it says someting similar.
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OK Orthodox bible say it is all His greater plan, fate of every living being is written in His book, and when your number shows up, u are called to Him, also when the day of reckoning comes only those pure in hearth will be called upon to be saved by Him, that all those questions are just His great plans
"God works in mysterious ways, that cant be understood by common man"
Didn't read Catholic bible but I'm sure it says someting similar.
huh? if god created the human being, why didn't he create it with good heart and fate?
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huh? if god created the human being, why didn't he create it with good heart and fate?
He did, Adam and Eve were pure in hearth , but remember the snake and the apple?
Read the Bible if u don't believe in Him, maybe u will start , otherwise it is very good psychology book, a "uplifting" book.
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wow, powerfull apple. I do know about the apple. Then, lets backtrack a little. Why did he create the snake with the apple?
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I don't know...
My closest guess is a test for Adam and Eve?
Or to quote myself...
"God works in mysterious ways, that cant be understood by common man"
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if is a test, why he made such test that corrupted the rest of the mankind for thousands years? He should have corrected it.
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This is what bible answered to me...
i repeat read quote....
And of course we can go for another 200 pages of what if questions...
"God works in mysterious ways, that cant be understood by common man"
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Looks more like the Umbrella Corporation, not a religion.
"Make your choice, but if you choose something else...we will send Nemesis to beat your ass up"
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yeah, and I don't like mysterious guys that leave everyone suffering ;) apple or not, this shouldn't be happening.
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God created humans.. Why do you say there werent dinosaurs? did you ever read the bible? maybe if you read better..
Ok god created a male and a female.. They were perfect.. They lived in harmony with the animals.
Now god said not to eat from the apple tree thing, thats their only rule.. Now the snake comes up and tries to convince them to eat it..
So they did eat it...
They broke the rule...
Now you arent perfect anymore. So there are virusses and violent people. Now its a test to go to heaven, where you are perfect.
If you pass the test, you are a good person. If you dont your a bad person.
If you didnt hear about it, or you have a mental disease, I think he will let you in.
And now.. God is working to free all the humans.. No date given
People say they saw angels help them. Even in WW2 they have been seen. English men got attacked by the germans.. But they got stopped by something. And later they run away in fear.
:)
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Well let me tell you how I see God.
First, I am telling that Human created God not the other way around as the first proofs about God or what he did are written so therefore a writer made it. God is actually a model of an average person: He is bad loser, child abuser, arrogant, impulsive, irresponsible, capricious, skittish, mood killer and unrightful- a total asshole. At least that is a God I have found. Example of that is the story of Noah's Arc. God wanted to do a perfect mankind but he failed and then he thinks it needs a changeover and sends a flood to kill his own creation.
God is mostly He, because the one who created him were men. God was created probably to fulfill some guys requests. the made a model for everyone to look up. And to hide God's bad qualities they dressed him up in white robe.
I am satanist, as I really need some principles to live by and I find Satanism's one the most suitable for me.
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Relegion is an endless discussion, it will NEVER EVER end , and its impossible that all ppl will agree on it
for ppl who dont believe in god i really recommend u read the bible or koran, its not my choice though im just giving advice and m not relegious
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Relegion is an endless discussion, it will NEVER EVER end , and its impossible that all ppl will agree on it
for ppl who dont believe in god i really recommend u read the bible or koran, its not my choice though im just giving advice and m not relegious
I think its futile to discuss about it, it isn't taking us anywhere, some will believe until death and some won't ever accept it.
That's what I said ;)
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That's what I said ;)
sorry i didnt read ur post
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Mankind [Everyone I Mean, From Me to the Queen] is the reason there is sickness, war, depression.
We are the reason there is War
We are the reason there is Viruses
We are the reason there is Poverty
We are the reason there is Depression
If you ask me, we brought it on our selves by eating the fruit on the tree.
Once again.
God lets us choose our beleifs,
KTHX!
Mike :D
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How could "god" leave the mankind to fuck up the world like this, if is his creation?
And that is, IF god exists. ;)
KNP!
Arthur :D
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How could "god" leave the mankind to fuck up the world like this, if is his creation?
And that is, IF god exists. ;)
KNP!
Arthur :D
because he's testing our asses
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So our destiny is to go to hell if we don't beleive in god because a woman 200.000 years ago ate an apple..and if the punishment for eating an apple is let die childrens, let mothers and fathers cry on the bodies of their childrens. God is a bad person, a Dictator as i said. Without a heart, without feelings, he forces humans to beleive in him even if he let them die, even if he send natural disasters. He let his priests abuse of kids and girls, he let "his" pope live in a palace with golds and money while in the borders of rome there are things like the favelas in Rio de Janeiro...
If god exists, he is a very bad person. The last example to follow.
He is cruel, he is a mass murderer, he doesen't care about what happen on the earth, the only thing he cares is if people beleive in him.
The Dinosaurs disappeared 65.000.000 years ago...and the Homo Sapiens Sapiens (And explain all the other human spieces not mentioned in the bible) appeared only 200.000 years ago.
Hitler killed 6 millions of people in gas chambers and god gives him a chance to make it to the heaven?
First, god killed all humans with a flood...and then he saves the man who killed 6 millions of people...it means he saves people like him...Cruels, murderers, abusers, dictators.
The Americans and the Russians and the Partizans saved the europe, not god. So the WW2 has nothing to do with this discussion...if god is a god, if god exists, he could have saved the life of 50.000.000 of people.
He claims he is our god, but he let us die.
He claims he is our god, but he doesen't care about what happen on the earth.
He claims he is our god, but he gives a chance to mass murderers and dictators to go to heaven
What could happen when Bin Laden will die?
God and Allah will argue for which heaven Bin Laden will be sent?
The religion was, and is still a way to explain the unknow, but is also a way to fool the masses and destroy the progress and the evolution...in 100-200 years we will discover new things, new technologies. The more we will live on the earth and the more we will have chances to discover what really happened in the origin. Maybe this is why god wants to kill us all with a final judgment, he is afraid of someone who can discovers the truth.
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So our destiny is to go to hell if we don't beleive in god because a woman 200.000 years ago ate an apple..and if the punishment for eating an apple is let die childrens, let mothers and fathers cry on the bodies of their childrens. God is a bad person, a Dictator as i said. Without a heart, without feelings, he forces humans to beleive in him even if he let them die, even if he send natural disasters. He let his priests abuse of kids and girls, he let "his" pope live in a palace with golds and money while in the borders of rome there are things like the favelas in Rio de Janeiro...
If god exists, he is a very bad person. The last example to follow.
He is cruel, he is a mass murderer, he doesen't care about what happen on the earth, the only thing he cares is if people beleive in him.
The Dinosaurs disappeared 65.000.000 years ago...and the Homo Sapiens Sapiens (And explain all the other human spieces not mentioned in the bible) appeared only 200.000 years ago.
Hitler killed 6 millions of people in gas chambers and god gives him a chance to make it to the heaven?
First, god killed all humans with a flood...and then he saves the man who killed 6 millions of people...it means he saves people like him...Cruels, murderers, abusers, dictators.
The Americans and the Russians and the Partizans saved the europe, not god. So the WW2 has nothing to do with this discussion...if god is a god, if god exists, he could have saved the life of 50.000.000 of people.
He claims he is our god, but he let us die.
He claims he is our god, but he doesen't care about what happen on the earth.
He claims he is our god, but he gives a chance to mass murderers and dictators to go to heaven
What could happen when Bin Laden will die?
God and Allah will argue for which heaven Bin Laden will be sent?
The religion was, and is still a way to explain the unknow, but is also a way to fool the masses and destroy the progress and the evolution...in 100-200 years we will discover new things, new technologies. The more we will live on the earth and the more we will have chances to discover what really happened in the origin. Maybe this is why god wants to kill us all with a final judgment, he is afraid of someone who can discovers the truth.
like i said an athiest will never be convinced, no hitler wont be given a chance after what he did, he will burn in hell so bad for the shiot he did
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You don't need to "convince" me. To beleive in something i want a proof of its existence...but looks like nobody can gives me a proof about the existence of god.
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How dare everyone slams god like this...ok let me put this into Gamer Terms...God, a long time ago, decided to create a nice little server (AKA The Universe). He put some beta testers on it (AKA Adam and Eve). He put them in a nice little zone where they could do anything they wanted. He gave them one rule, ONLY ONE. Well the beta testers got a little too excited and the broke the rule. Talk about a server crash...
So these beta testers are basically banned from this perfect zone (AKA The Garden of Eden). They have a few kids. One DM's the other. Hey look the servers first DM. Anyways this nice little server ends up becoming crap because the world refuses to look at God as the Main Admin here. Guess what? One person and his family still believes. God decides to reset the server and completely change the script. The only ones who get to play are the ones who were still faithful (AKA Noah and his family). A little while later, a little zone called Sodom and Gomorrah is filled with non-believers, extreme sinners, homosexuals (seriously) etc. Well, God sends one of his followers Abraham to get one of his family members out of there. IF I have my story right, they tried to bargain with the city folk there and he said you can have my daughter or w/e and instead they wanted the Angel MEN. Lets just say there were a lot of people in this city and it was ermmm CRASHED PERMANENTLY.
For sake of time, and my fingers, I am gonna skip ahead a few thousand years. Ok so the world needs some changes. God has promised another "Main Admin" to come and save these people. So he sends a guy named Jesus who is infact, his very own son. This guy gains some followers and preaches salvation from God himself. He saves many, heals many and ultimatley changes the world. A lot of people didn't want to believe this. One of Jesus' followers turns him into the enemies and they crucify him on the cross. Well its not over yet. He comes back 3 days later and shows the whole world, that God wins. He also tells of his coming again. All those who have not repented of their sins will perish in whats known as the server HELL. Those who do believe will get to go to the ultimate server. Heaven.
So I say to you non-believers, the little time we have here on Earth, you are wasting. God will deal with you at some point in time. Please for your sake, don't ever just NOT believe in God. I know I am going to heaven because of a time and place that I was sealed by his grace. I beg you to atleast give it a chance...he is giving you one.
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How dare everyone slams god like this...ok let me put this into Gamer Terms...God, a long time ago, decided to create a nice little server (AKA The Universe). He put some beta testers on it (AKA Adam and Eve). He put them in a nice little zone where they could do anything they wanted. He gave them one rule, ONLY ONE. Well the beta testers got a little too excited and the broke the rule. Talk about a server crash...
So these beta testers are basically banned from this perfect zone (AKA The Garden of Eden). They have a few kids. One DM's the other. Hey look the servers first DM. Anyways this nice little server ends up becoming crap because the world refuses to look at God as the Main Admin here. Guess what? One person and his family still believes. God decides to reset the server and completely change the script. The only ones who get to play are the ones who were still faithful (AKA Noah and his family). A little while later, a little zone called Sodom and Gomorrah is filled with non-believers, extreme sinners, homosexuals (seriously) etc. Well, God sends one of his followers Abraham to get one of his family members out of there. IF I have my story right, they tried to bargain with the city folk there and he said you can have my daughter or w/e and instead they wanted the Angel MEN. Lets just say there were a lot of people in this city and it was ermmm CRASHED PERMANENTLY.
For sake of time, and my fingers, I am gonna skip ahead a few thousand years. Ok so the world needs some changes. God has promised another "Main Admin" to come and save these people. So he sends a guy named Jesus who is infact, his very own son. This guy gains some followers and preaches salvation from God himself. He saves many, heals many and ultimatley changes the world. A lot of people didn't want to believe this. One of Jesus' followers turns him into the enemies and they crucify him on the cross. Well its not over yet. He comes back 3 days later and shows the whole world, that God wins. He also tells of his coming again. All those who have not repented of their sins will perish in whats known as the server HELL. Those who do believe will get to go to the ultimate server. Heaven.
So I say to you non-believers, the little time we have here on Earth, you are wasting. God will deal with you at some point in time. Please for your sake, don't ever just NOT believe in God. I know I am going to heaven because of a time and place that I was sealed by his grace. I beg you to atleast give it a chance...he is giving you one.
i agree with u on all that shit except 1 thing, Jesus isnt god's son, jesus was a messenger sent by god
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:16;&version=9; (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:16;&version=9;)
actually he is both ;)
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:16;&version=9; (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:16;&version=9;)
actually he is both ;)
no thats the only thing i disagree with the bible on
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Jesus claimed himself as son of god, and actually the Church says Jesus was the son of god.
So lets make a short version of that story.
God creates 2 humans
They have broken the only rule of their life(What kind of rule is "Don't eat an apple"??? Next time use some imagination)
God beated their asses and to punish them now there are billions of people who are suffering.
Is like, in a gamer version:
An admin spots an hacker from europe, he ban him...and then he will ban all players who come from europe cause that guy hacked.
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Jesus claimed himself as son of god, and actually the Church says Jesus was the son of god.
So lets make a short version of that story.
God creates 2 humans
They have broken the only rule of their life(What kind of rule is "Don't eat an apple"??? Next time use some imagination)
God beated their asses and to punish them now there are billions of people who are suffering.
Is like, in a gamer version:
An admin spots an hacker from europe, he ban him...and then he will ban all players who come from europe cause that guy hacked.
athiest are so goddamn stubborn, god gave em this rule to test him if they gonna listen to him or not
i would liek to say say those exact words at the judgment day when ur infront of god being asked questions
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How dare everyone slams god like this...ok let me put this into Gamer Terms...God, a long time ago, decided to create a nice little server (AKA The Universe). He put some beta testers on it (AKA Adam and Eve). He put them in a nice little zone where they could do anything they wanted. He gave them one rule, ONLY ONE. Well the beta testers got a little too excited and the broke the rule. Talk about a server crash...
So these beta testers are basically banned from this perfect zone (AKA The Garden of Eden). They have a few kids. One DM's the other. Hey look the servers first DM. Anyways this nice little server ends up becoming crap because the world refuses to look at God as the Main Admin here. Guess what? One person and his family still believes. God decides to reset the server and completely change the script. The only ones who get to play are the ones who were still faithful (AKA Noah and his family). A little while later, a little zone called Sodom and Gomorrah is filled with non-believers, extreme sinners, homosexuals (seriously) etc. Well, God sends one of his followers Abraham to get one of his family members out of there. IF I have my story right, they tried to bargain with the city folk there and he said you can have my daughter or w/e and instead they wanted the Angel MEN. Lets just say there were a lot of people in this city and it was ermmm CRASHED PERMANENTLY.
For sake of time, and my fingers, I am gonna skip ahead a few thousand years. Ok so the world needs some changes. God has promised another "Main Admin" to come and save these people. So he sends a guy named Jesus who is infact, his very own son. This guy gains some followers and preaches salvation from God himself. He saves many, heals many and ultimatley changes the world. A lot of people didn't want to believe this. One of Jesus' followers turns him into the enemies and they crucify him on the cross. Well its not over yet. He comes back 3 days later and shows the whole world, that God wins. He also tells of his coming again. All those who have not repented of their sins will perish in whats known as the server HELL. Those who do believe will get to go to the ultimate server. Heaven.
So I say to you non-believers, the little time we have here on Earth, you are wasting. God will deal with you at some point in time. Please for your sake, don't ever just NOT believe in God. I know I am going to heaven because of a time and place that I was sealed by his grace. I beg you to atleast give it a chance...he is giving you one.
That Is A Perfect Example Of What We Humans Did..
We disobeyed. We get punished...
i agree with u on all that shit except 1 thing, Jesus isnt god's son, jesus was a messenger sent by god
Incorrect On One Case.
Jesus Is God, [IN ANOTHER FORM]
Jesus is gods Son.
Jesus Was A Messenger.
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Are there no Jews on the server?
Cause it's one of the oldest religions ever and we've said what about it? nothing...
I agree with Hayden(?) with the fact that I would rather praise something I can see and most likely touch, but not an invisible imaginary hairy old fisherman. I would prefer not praying to anyone cause what if the guy we are praying to now (god) is not the right guy, but what if Buddhism is the correct religion? or even Satanism... Cause these are the things you CANT know, the bible is in my opinion like lords of the rings, what if I would start praying to Gandalf the gray for salvation? ... hum...
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I can't understand why should i get punished for others fault...the plan of god? Or i am not allowed to understand the plan of god cause its too bigger for a human mind? I used that excuse with the sons of my sister when they were complaining about homeworks "Uncle, why should i do my homeworks?" "Just do them, is too complicated to explain it" ...a plan that looks like 1 of the hundreds of Half Life 2 mods never finished and abandoned after few months...you still think the team is developing it and then you discover they deleted the website and all the files...
In front of god, when the judgment day will comes, ill show the Premium Member Card for an endless holyday in hell with all atheists...or...when god will comes to judges us he will finds out we already blew up ourselfs with nukes lol, or another conclusion will be God punishing all priests and popes for impersonating him.
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Are there no Jews on the server?
Cause it's one of the oldest religions ever and we've said what about it? nothing...
I agree with Hayden(?) with the fact that I would rather praise something I can see and most likely touch, but not an invisible imaginary hairy old fisherman. I would prefer not praying to anyone cause what if the guy we are praying to now (god) is not the right guy, but what if Buddhism is the correct religion? or even Satanism... Cause these are the things you CANT know, the bible is in my opinion like lords of the rings, what if I would start praying to Gandalf the gray for salvation? ... hum...
Once Again
God lets your choose who you want to follow.
Attention, The following is not meant to offend any non-Christians. It is a point of view.
It is actually been proven that SOME Events Of the Bible Are True..
Many of you may know the Story of Moses making the water rise so he can cross the Red sea, and the Pharaoh and his men drown
Archiologicsts have found Chariot wheels have been found at the bottom of the Red Sea.
This may not be THE Pharaoh's Chariot wheel, But, What else????
Unless some Random See-Living guy that makes chariot wheels and dumps them who lives there...
Think about this..
KTHX!
Mike :D
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I knew that one pwner, but how can you be sure there just wasn't like half a meter of water back then?
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I am not sure about the amount of water that was in the Red Sea At That Moment.
Its hard to really say..
but i do beleive that it was a HUGE amout of water because the bible has said so. and i beleive because it was what i was taught to beleive.
KTHX!
Mike :D
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The bible also said; The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies!
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Say you are God..
would you get rid of people who oppose you???
I think you would.
KTHX!
Mike :D
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All of you keep saying that why would God chose to punish the whole human race instead of just a few people...well first of all back then that WAS the human race :). Second of all, I don't think you realize that EVERYONE SINS. Thats the reason we are all punished. Have you not lied? Have you not lusted? They are all sins. Your parents didn't have to teach you to sin, you just knew how. You figured it out. Back when you were a little kid "Hmmm I won't tell mum about the milk I spilt". The human race was sinning way back when. Don't blame this on the world. We are at fault. All of us.
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If i was a god, i would get rid of those who oppose me...but i would not say "Be kind, forgive assassins, god taught us to forgive the others" when i know i killed thousands of people with floods and seas. Is just senseless.
Do what i say, but not what i do. My father said me that lol.
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Say you are God..
would you get rid of people who oppose you???
I think you would.
KTHX!
Mike :D
My poit was what Luca said, he says to be kind and forgive, but himself he just kills people.
but then again, God is supposed to be almighty, what can oppose him?
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On the dot. I was christian until I was 10, then I started researching history and discovered some things that made me atheist...
ya i think im an atheist too.. but the bible is rly interesting..
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Ummm..
You have your own server..
You are the main admin.. some good guys come in and you have fun with them..
But theres one problem.. someone doesnt follow the rules of your server and the good guys get annoyed at them..
So you probably ban the person because he did it on purpose several times
Now you ban bad guys that do the same, to protect the good guys
the bad guy begs at the ban topic to get unbanned.. so he gets unbanned
sounds like god defending the good guys against the bad guys..
and giving the bad guys a chance if they really mean it
Oh and allah = god if you didnt know :trust:
Anyway think whatever you want.
Its your own choice!
:)
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I am not sure about the amount of water that was in the Red Sea At That Moment.
Its hard to really say..
but i do beleive that it was a HUGE amout of water because the bible has said so. and i beleive because it was what i was taught to beleive.
Ok, but if you are not sure, ask a Geography teacher How deep was Red Sea back then, he/she might know it.
And yes many things in Bible are true because it consists of 2 part, Jewish History and some guy's biography(Jesus).
I don't think you realize that EVERYONE SINS.
And God made us to look like himself : )
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Luca, you are saying it all man, it all. You're pretty much translating my brain.
Then again, if "god" created us all, why didn't he fix the way we think, made us very kind people who wouldn't "break any of the server rules"?
And don't compare humans to server players, because we didn't "just join the server", we were created by "god", we are "NPCs". And NPCs when well programmed work well, then don't have the will to break rules. He is a "perfect scripter", everyone says that god is perfect, then why didn't he just created perfect NPCs?
:ps: I think we should stop trying to compare the universe to a server. They are a lot different.
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I don't believe in god or in any other form of your life being controlled.
I believe that life is what we make of it.
God was just an invention of people to explain the yet unexplainable, like the form of earth and stuff like that.
Religion is a bad thing cause it delays science, take for example galileu, He walked into a room full of priests saying "earth in round and goes around the sun" and priest went like "Blasphemer, burn in hell!!!!"
People should stop basing their life in god acts and start basing in true facts.
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I don't believe in god or in any other form of your life being controlled.
I believe that life is what we make of it.
God was just an invention of people to explain the yet unexplainable, like the form of earth and stuff like that.
Religion is a bad thing cause it delays science, take for example galileu, He walked into a room full of priests saying "earth in round and goes around the sun" and priest went like "Blasphemer, burn in hell!!!!"
People should stop basing their life in god acts and start basing in true facts.
I'll have to agree with the Portuguese this time :)
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The "universal flood" really happened, but not in the whole planet, only in the middle east thousands of years ago.
The brother of my Mother, my uncle, was a technician in the AGIP (an Italian petrol multinational that during the 80's had some businesses in Iraq) and he worked in the middle east, near the Iraq-Iran border. He told me that while they were drilling and digging they have found many stilt houses and buildings under the mud at high Depths... so there is always a scientific proofs about what the bible says, but im talking about events like floods, natural disasters or else The bible is not a fiction, is the History of what really happened, seen by the eyes of a Human from Middle East of thousands of years ago.
Try to read the bible with the eyes of a human of 2007...and if you will use some imagination and some brain work you will find out interesting things.
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Sometimes i feel like Truman in 'Trumans show' .. :neutral:
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im telling u believers and athiest will never agree, but i really think athiest should go read the holy qura'an or the bible or something its ur choice, if u don't wanna be a christian or a muslim just believ ein god, u dont have to be anything , like me, im not christian but i believe in god
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I've read the bible, I've gonne to church.
But the more I learned about Jesus and God the more I realized how useless religion is, I was spending my precious sunday time going to church and listening to some ridiculous ideas like Jesus having no biological father. What about that for a dysfunctional family huh?
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I've read the bible, I've gonne to church.
But the more I learned about Jesus and God the more I realized how useless religion is, I was spending my precious sunday time going to church and listening to some ridiculous ideas like Jesus having no biological father. What about that for a dysfunctional family huh?
yes jesus goddaMN chist was born without a father, and this was a miracle that god made so ppl can go into christianity
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Ok, but if you are not sure, ask a Geography teacher How deep was Red Sea back then, he/she might know it.
And yes many things in Bible are true because it consists of 2 part, Jewish History and some guy's biography(Jesus).And God made us to look like himself : )
God Does Not Sin..
That would be like Gandalf Hacking
Dude, Its NOT On...
Even Thinking about it is Petty..
[No offence]
We brang sin into our lives. So we have to deal with it.
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If you are telling everyone to prove God exists I have this to say to you...prove he DOESN'T exist ;) I am done arguing with everyone because sometimes people just don't want to believe that someone is there and knows everything they have done...everything. So I will be praying for you all.
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Please, don't pray for me.
Don't waste your time. I ask you to not pray for me. Actually pray for me to go to hell ;)
:ps: Nobody is forcing you to argue. Actually, we are not arguing. The proof that god doesn't exist is that he won't even bother to appear and help people. He lets people kill innocents. He lets people kill in his name. Now here is your proof.
^please explain the above proof.
I don't want this to reach a flaming level.
KNP!
Arthur :D
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Please, don't pray for me.
Don't waste your time. I ask you to not pray for me. Actually pray for me to go to hell ;)
:ps: Nobody is forcing you to argue. Actually, we are not arguing. The proof that god doesn't exist is that he won't even bother to appear and help people. He lets people kill innocents. He lets people kill in his name. Now here is your proof.
^please explain the above proof.
I don't want this to reach a flaming level.
KNP!
Arthur :D
Also, That Is Incorrect.
I moved to a new school and i made some friends.. but this one boy was really mean to me..
So i prayed to God, And within a few weeks, we became friends, and im not making that up.
I suggest you pray for somthing, Say theres a kid at your school that dosent like you.
Pray for him to be your friend, or be friendler with you
and within a few weeks, Watch the results..
And tell us what happens?
If nothing happens, well, im not sure, but me and that boy are now great friends.
Im not Denying the fact that he killed innocent people.. EG. Look at the Plagues...
He only does what he thinks is right..
Hes not like some school yard bully and just chooses at random.
He does has his reasons.
KTHX!
Mike :D
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Wow, let's test.
Let's all pray to god to stop wars, desease, poverty and all that is not good for mankind and the world.
If that solves our problem, I'll become a priest right away.
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Im not catholic or christian, i dont believe in gods way, i believe in valhalla, i believe more that Odin , Thor, Loki , Frey, Freya , Idun , Sif and Hel
Woot my name is Loki! :D
no thats the only thing i disagree with the bible on
Correct me if i'm wrong here, but then by your own rules aren't you going to hell? :devroll:
And now for my own opinion, luckily as far as i've read i'm not just repeating things people have been saying.
Basically, it went like this, i was religious for a while, when very young, praying things would happen and even seeing them happen in my eyes but as i leant closer to the scientific view i found that not praying made no difference to my life. In a way this kind of disheartened me and so i basically phased out god altogether.
From then, i met a lot of people with a lot of different opinions, learn't a lot of history and found myself to really dislike everything i heard about most aspects of religion, I very much agreed with Luca there and was very anti-god, anti-Christian and especially anti-Roman catholic. I understand now that it is wrong to assume all people of one religion are the same but at the time that's how it seemed and my experiences with religious people, christians especially was horrible. As i went to a Christian school it was constantly shoved down my throat whether i liked it or not and it was highly conservative, constantly judging people for being different. No matter how much the bible says things, no way can you say discrimination is just or right.
But now, I'm more mellow, I realised that really i should be concentrating on whats going on now, not what's going to happen when i die or whats going on metaphysically, whilst i still dont believe in god i've realised that the time i spend wasting on contemplation on such things, i could be enjoying the short time i've got here. Whilst it may sound foolish I dont want to plan ahead for the future, i'd rather cross those bridges as they arrive and without spending my time on planning I can fully appreciate everything that goes on now, free from worry of the future or anything like that. In terms of life after death it's the same, I'll see once i die what happens, so why worry now when theres a massive chance you're going to be wrong anyway.
And as for religion, there are 6 major religions and countless smaller ones, what's to say yours is right? Theres no way you can be 100% certain yours is right because for the reasons you believe in one, others will use those reasons to believe in another.
Imagine how bad it would be to devote your life to, for example, Islam, only to find yourself going to hell because Christians were right all along. That would sure be a bummer :razz:
So for those reason's, to immortalize the great prophet Bobby Mcferrin :razz: "Dont Worry, Be happy!"
But of course If you're happy with religion or without, then you're sorted for life, in my humble opinion of course :D
:banana: :banana: :banana:
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Wow, let's test.
Let's all pray to god to stop wars, desease, poverty and all that is not good for mankind and the world.
If that solves our problem, I'll become a priest right away.
Dont Mock It, Its Insulting For Christians...
It will work, if you keep praying.
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Yes.. I believe that the Virgin Mary had sex, but covered it up and said the baby came out of no where. He grew up believing what his mother said that he was a miracle and he could do them, when he did some on people it only looked like he did. Anyways, I was thinking about how living things came to be on Planet Earth. How? Just think in logical and scientific ways to answer, because we are Human we are flawed and anything we create is also flawed so to think that God created everything for real is just crap thinking. But really what made all the animals and then us appear? Whats the reason of Humans on this planet? Are we the only ones in the universe or space? I think we can't be, whats all this space for then? For Humans to explore and conquer? It doesn't make any sense, so I think that Aliens engineered us or maybe we are from another planet and came here to escape something. But it still doesn't explain all the animals either.. so maybe aliens put us here to test us or something? Its evolution, the only logical thinking of how we got here.
http://www.garnertedarmstrong.ws/pubs/CreateAdam.htm
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How much should we pray to stop the violences in the world? The popes are praying since 2003 for the end of the violences in Iraq.
Lets use Iraq as example, the war and the victims (Civilians and Military)
Military Victims (11 June 2007)
USA: 3.798 Casualities and 27.753 wounded
United Kingdom: 170 Deaths
Italy : 33 Casualities
Poland: 21 Casualities
Ucraine: 18 Casualities
Bulgaria: 13 Casualities
Spain: 11 Casualities
If we include the Contractors (Mercenaries), the Saddam Army, the New Iraqi Army, the Republican Guard, the Iraqi Police Forces, the Journalists, the terrorists, and the suicides..and the civilians... we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people...someone says 420.000...someone 790.000. But we are not counting animals or dollars, we are talking about human lifes.
In 4 years nobody has stopped the violences in Iraq, neither the pope, the prays, and the god, and the diplomats.
Im not saying that this is god fault (is another discussion), but im saying the prays and the religion are useless as they proved in this example.
And im not mentioning the 2 Balcan Wars, the WW2, the Vietnam war, the Korea War, the never ending conflict around Israel...
In 100 Years of praying nothing has stopped the wars and the violences.
And about the Hell topic. If somebody ask me What would you choose between: "One day God woke up and said: lets create 2 humans and restrict the only apple tree on the planet" or "Thousands of years ago an alien has came and started acting like a god to enslave humans, and people really beleived it was a god"...well, even if they both looks extremly weird ...i would choose the second option.
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How much should we pray to stop the violences in the world? The popes are praying since 2003 for the end of the violences in Iraq.
Lets use Iraq as example, the war and the victims (Civilians and Military)
Military Victims (11 June 2007)
USA: 3.798 Casualities and 27.753 wounded
United Kingdom: 170 Deaths
Italy : 33 Casualities
Poland: 21 Casualities
Ucraine: 18 Casualities
Bulgaria: 13 Casualities
Spain: 11 Casualities
If we include the Contractors (Mercenaries), the Saddam Army, the New Iraqi Army, the Republican Guard, the Iraqi Police Forces, the Journalists, the terrorists, and the suicides..and the civilians... we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people...someone says 420.000...someone 790.000. But we are not counting animals or dollars, we are talking about human lifes.
In 4 years nobody has stopped the violences in Iraq, neither the pope, the prays, and the god, and the diplomats.
Im not saying that this is god fault (is another discussion), but im saying the prays and the religion are useless as they proved in this example.
And im not mentioning the 2 Balcan Wars, the WW2, the Vietnam war, the Korea War, the never ending conflict around Israel...
In 100 Years of praying nothing has stopped the wars and the violences.
And about the Hell topic. If somebody ask me What would you choose between: "One day God woke up and said: lets create 2 humans and restrict the only apple tree on the planet" or "Thousands of years ago an alien has came and started acting like a god to enslave humans, and people really beleived it was a god"...well, even if they both looks extremly weird ...i would choose the second option.
So you believe the instant you finish your prayers, you expect it to be over?
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Instead of praying, people should do something to actually help. Like Luca said, prayers didn't help a thing, we should go out and protest in favor of peace. I know that it usually doesn't work, but we can put pressure on government.
One proof of that is here in Brazil: People from different realities, places, ages, etnies united to protest against the militar dictatorship: Some got beaten, some got tortured, some died like heroes. But in the end, we did it.
If everyone prayed, even forever, we would be still under a severe dictatorship. Without the freedom that everyone likes.
Think about that.
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How much should we pray to stop the violences in the world? The popes are praying since 2003 for the end of the violences in Iraq.
Lets use Iraq as example, the war and the victims (Civilians and Military)
Military Victims (11 June 2007)
USA: 3.798 Casualities and 27.753 wounded
United Kingdom: 170 Deaths
Italy : 33 Casualities
Poland: 21 Casualities
Ucraine: 18 Casualities
Bulgaria: 13 Casualities
Spain: 11 Casualities
If we include the Contractors (Mercenaries), the Saddam Army, the New Iraqi Army, the Republican Guard, the Iraqi Police Forces, the Journalists, the terrorists, and the suicides..and the civilians... we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people...someone says 420.000...someone 790.000. But we are not counting animals or dollars, we are talking about human lifes.
In 4 years nobody has stopped the violences in Iraq, neither the pope, the prays, and the god, and the diplomats.
Im not saying that this is god fault (is another discussion), but im saying the prays and the religion are useless as they proved in this example.
And im not mentioning the 2 Balcan Wars, the WW2, the Vietnam war, the Korea War, the never ending conflict around Israel...
In 100 Years of praying nothing has stopped the wars and the violences.
And about the Hell topic. If somebody ask me What would you choose between: "One day God woke up and said: lets create 2 humans and restrict the only apple tree on the planet" or "Thousands of years ago an alien has came and started acting like a god to enslave humans, and people really beleived it was a god"...well, even if they both looks extremly weird ...i would choose the second option.
THATS G.W.BUSH FAULT!!!
If he just sit quite in his ofice in the white house playing cowboys with his toy horse the world would have too less wars, Iraq and Afghanistan.
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US had to get involved with iran after Bin laden attack us.. dont you get it? We use the excuse of helping to find Bin Laden and kill him..
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US had to get involved with iran after Bin laden attack us.. dont you get it? We use the excuse of helping to find Bin Laden and kill him..
If Bin Laden was in portugal and you guys invaded portugal, of course I would kill a couple of you...don't fucking come on my land thinking you can act like it's yours.
Bin Laden is not a nation. Chase him as a man.
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Whatever Bush did, the prayers didn't change the situation or saved any life. Not the life of those hundreds of thousands of people.
Anyway don't go off topic...we don't need a scientist to say that 790.000 casualities are the result of a failure and not of a peace or democratic mission.
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Look whatever my county decided to do is not your concern or do I want to hear what you think of my leader either, so please STFU about Bush, when you live here then you can kbithx
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The world is not property of the USA or Bush, so we all have the right to say our opinions even if we live in Africa, Europe, Asia or else...
However i think the discussion is over, it was interesting yes... so i lock the topic to prevent flames and insult about politics (Which is not an easy topic like Religion)