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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Reece on November 24, 2012, 08:44:54 pm
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Investigation launched into why couple's foster children were taken from them 'after they joined Ukip'
'Exemplary' foster parents cared for three children from ethnic minorities
Staff from Rotherham council told couple that Ukip had 'racist' policies and their membership of it made them unsuitable carers
Couple left 'bereft' when the children were removed within a week
Education secretary says social workers at the council made 'the wrong decision in the wrong way for the wrong reasons'
A council that broke up a foster family because the parents were members of the UK Independence Party (Ukip) was strongly criticised by the Education Secretary today for its 'indefensible' decision.
Education Secretary Michael Gove said social workers at the council had made 'the wrong decision in the wrong way for the wrong reasons' and that he would be personally investigating and exploring steps to 'deal with' the situation.
The married couple claimed they had their foster children taken away from them for joining the political party by Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council.
By the council's own admission the youngsters were happy and there was no question mark over the foster parents' provision of care.
The council has also launched an investigation into why the three youngsters were removed.
Mr Gove, who heads the Government department responsible for children's services and who was himself adopted as a child, accused Rotherham of sending out a 'dreadful signal'.
'Rotherham council have made the wrong decision in the wrong way for the wrong reasons,' he said.
'Rotherham's reasons for denying this family the chance to foster are indefensible.
'The ideology behind their decision is actively harmful to children. We should not allow considerations of ethnic or cultural background to prevent children being placed with loving and stable families. We need more parents to foster, and many more to adopt.
'Any council which decides that supporting a mainstream UK political party disbars an individual from looking after children in care is sending a dreadful signal that will only decrease the number of loving homes available to children in need.
'I will be investigating just how this decision came to be made and what steps we need to take to deal with this situation.'
Seven out of eight couples who try to adopt children fall by the wayside: More than 22,000 would-be parents are rejected by social workers
Heartwarming photos of children and their new parents celebrating National Adoption Day
Roger Stone, leader of Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council, today said 'We are going to investigate to make sure everything has been done professionally. If the professionals give advice, we take it.
'We are going to investigate - we always would if somebody complains. We are looking to make sure all the correct procedures were carried out before the decision was made. There is no policy, as has been implied, that if you are a British National Party member you can't foster children.'
Social workers told the couple, who were caring for three children from ethnic minorities, that the party had ‘racist’ policies and that their membership of it made them unsuitable carers.
The foster parents, who have been caring for children for nearly seven years and had been described as ‘exemplary’, said they were left feeling ‘stigmatised and slandered’.
The case has provoked outrage from across the political spectrum with Labour leader Ed Miliband saying: 'Being a member of Ukip should not be a bar to adopting or fostering children.
Rotherham council leader, Roger Stone, today announced an investigation into the decision
'We need an urgent investigation by Rotherham Council into the circumstances of this case.
'I don't know all the facts of this case but I am clear, what matters is children in Rotherham and elsewhere, and being a member of a political party like Ukip should not be a bar to fostering children.
'We need to find out the facts and the council urgently needs to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.
'The couple concerned are making extremely serious claims, very disturbing claims.
'Right-thinking people across the country will think there are thousands of children who need to be looked after, who need fostering, we shouldn't have the situation where membership of a party like Ukip excludes you from doing that.
'We need loving homes for children across the country. That can come in different forms, it's not about what political party you are a member of.'
The couple are worried they will be stopped from fostering again because of their membership of the UK Independence Party, which campaigns for Britain to leave the EU.
Around a dozen children have been cared for by the couple, who do not want to be named.
The three latest children, a baby girl, boy and an older girl from a troubled family, came to them in September on an emergency placement. But just eight weeks later, two staff from the Labour-run Rotherham council – the nearest to their village home in South Yorkshire – arrived and announced the local safeguarding children team had been told they were Ukip members in an anonymous tip.
The wife told the Daily Telegraph: ‘I was dumbfounded. Then my question to both of them was, “What has Ukip got to do with having the children removed?â€ÂÂ
‘Then one of them said, “Well, Ukip have got racist policiesâ€ÂÂ. The implication was that we were racist.
'[The social worker] said Ukip does not like European people and wants them all out of the country to be returned to their own countries.
‘I’m sat there and I’m thinking, “What the hell is going off here?†because I wouldn’t have joined Ukip if they thought that. I’ve got mixed race in my family.’
She claimed the social worker said: ‘We would not have placed these children with you had we known you were members of Ukip because it wouldn’t have been the right cultural match.’
The children were all removed by the end of the week, leaving the couple ‘bereft’. The wife said that the children had been loved like they were the couple's own.
The wife said: ‘We felt like we were criminals. From having a little baby in my arms, suddenly there was an empty cot.’
Her husband said: 'If we were moving the children on to happier circumstances we would be feeling warm and happy. To have it done like that, it’s beyond the pale.'
Nigel Farage (left) described the actions as a 'bloody outrage' while Ed Miliband said membership of Ukip should not be a bar to fostering
Described as 'exemplary' foster parents, the baby had put on weight and the older girl had even started called them 'mum and dad'.
The couple are in their late 50s and are former Labour voters. The husband works with disabled people and was a Royal Navy reservist for more than 30 years. The wife is a qualified nursery nurse.
The children, who stayed with the couple for eight weeks, were encouraged to speak their language which their foster parents were trying to learn, the foster mother said.
She denied that there had been any discussion between the family and Rotherham Council before the children were removed.
The woman said the council feared the couple could not meet the children's cultural needs in the long term - a claim the family denied.
Speaking to the Sheffield-based Star newspaper, the woman said: 'We were actively encouraging these children to speak their own language and to teach us their language.
'We enjoyed singing one of their folk songs in their native language, and having been told of the religious denomination of these children we took steps to ensure that a school of their denomination was found.'
The foster mother claimed the children have been placed with families who are also white British, and she questioned how the council thought these couples could fulfil the children's cultural needs.
A Rotherham council spokesman said last night: 'After a group of sibling children were placed with agency foster carers, issues were raised regarding the long-term suitability of the carers for these particular children.
'With careful consideration, a decision was taken to move the children to alternative care. We continue to keep the situation under review.'
Joyce Thacker, the council's strategic director of children and young people's services, said the decision to remove the children was taken after consultation with lawyers.
Asked what the specific problem was with the couple being Ukip members, Mrs Thacker told BBC Breakfast: 'We have to think about the clear statements on ending multi-culturalism for example.
Staff from Rotherham council in South Yorkshire, pictured, removed the children from their foster parents within a week of finding out they were members of Ukip
'These children are from EU migrant backgrounds and Ukip has very clear statements on ending multiculturalism, not having that going forward, and I have to think about how sensitive I am being to those children.'
She added that there was no issue about the quality of care the couple provided and said she would co-operate with any investigation.
Nigel Farage, the leader of Ukip, described the actions of the council as ‘a bloody outrage’ and ‘political prejudice of the very worst kind’ and accused the council of 'bigotry'.
He said of the incident: 'Very upset and very angry, particularly for the couple involved, who have been fostering for many years and are very decent people, and the awful shock to them of having these children removed, not to mention the upset to the children themselves.
'Politically, I'm afraid not surprised at all. This is typical of the kind of bigotry we get from the Labour Party and from Labour controlled councils. 'It was the Labour government that opened the doors to uncontrolled mass immigration into this country on a scale that we have never seen in the history of the island. And then anybody who tries to discuss or debate the issue is written off as being racist.'
Labour have urged the council to mount an urgent investigation. Labour leader Ed Miliband said: 'Being a member of Ukip should not be a bar to adopting or fostering children. We need an urgent investigation by Rotherham Council into the circumstances of this case.
'I don't know all the facts of this case but I am clear, what matters is children in Rotherham and elsewhere, and being a member of a political party like Ukip should not be a bar to fostering children. We need to find out the facts and the council urgently needs to get to the bottom of exactly what happened. The couple concerned are making extremely serious claims, very disturbing claims.
'Right-thinking people across the country will think there are thousands of children who need to be looked after, who need fostering, we shouldn't have the situation where membership of a party like Ukip excludes you from doing that. We need loving homes for children across the country. That can come in different forms, it's not about what political party you are a member of.'
Foster parent campaigners have warned that the decision could discourage other prospective foster parents volunteering.
David Goosey, the chairman of trustees at independent fostering charity Community Foster care said: 'If this is accurate and there are no other extraneous matters that have concerned the authorities, then it is completely ridiculous and no self-respecting authority should be stopping people fostering on the grounds of their membership of Ukip.'
Ukip’s manifesto is critical of multiculturalism and political correctness. It also urges Britain to restriction immigration and for the country to withdraw from Europe.
Recent national polls rate the party’s support as high as nine per cent after previously being considered a single-issue fringe party.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237660/Ukip-Husband-wifes-foster-children-ethnic-minorities-taken-away-couple-joined-Ukip.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237660/Ukip-Husband-wifes-foster-children-ethnic-minorities-taken-away-couple-joined-Ukip.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
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This is wrong, I support UKIP... Less immigrents, better military.
What do they see wrong with UKIP for damn sake..
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They were correct. What if those multicultural children would have become racists. :rofl:
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They were correct. What if those multicultural children would have become racists. :rofl:
UKIP isnt really racist, they just wan't to boot the immigrants out, and it's understandable...
Theres around 6million Muslims in the UK, a high percentage of which immigrated here, and 90% of which are estimated to be completely screwing the UK's benefits system, not just to target Muslims, theres a majority of immigrants from all over the world that come here specificly to get benefits which are payed for via the British tax payer.
The UK would be alot better off finance wise without them. :devroll:
I want all these immigrants out, I'm not racist, do you consider me racist for wanting Britain to remain British? :poke:
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So the countries of India and Pakistan were good when the people were providing you with a lot of rich materials and trade, but now you have less money you do not want to consider those people as your own ?
Yeah figures.
Those immigrants are often born in the UK and could not live in 'their' country.
But people fail to accept them as the British people they are just because they wish to keep their own tase in food and religion.
They are not stealing your jobs, they are doing the work you were too lazy to do yourself as you look down on them.
So you give them no chances, consider them criminals and second rate people and then find it odd if they make trouble? Go and love in their country and make a living for a year cleaning buildings, then we will talk.
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UKIP isnt really racist, they just wan't to boot the immigrants out, and it's understandable...
What? No... Do not confuse UKIP and BNP.
They only want to kick the ILLEGAL immigrants out... read their manifesto. http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf (http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf)
3 Immigration
& Asylum
As a member of the EU, Britain has lost control
of her borders. Some 2.5 million immigrants
have arrived since 1997 and up to one million
economic migrants live here illegally. Former
New Labour staff maintain that this policy has
been a deliberate attempt to water down the
British identity and buy votes. EU and human
rights legislation means we cannot even expel
foreign criminals if they come from another EU
country. This is why immigration control is so
essential and overdue. UKIP will:
· End mass, uncontrolled immigration. UKIP
calls for an immediate five-year freeze on
immigration for permanent settlement. We aspire to ensure that any future immigration does
not exceed 50,000 people p.a.
· Regain control of UK borders. This can only
be done by leaving the European Union. Entry
for work will be on a time-limited work permit
only. Entry for non-work related purposes (e.g.
holiday or study) will be on a temporary visa.
Overstaying will be a criminal offence
· Ensure all EU citizens who came to Britain
after 1 January 2004 are treated in the same
way as citizens from other countries (unless
entitled to ‘Permanent Leave to Remain’). Non-
UK citizens travelling to or from the UK will
have their entry and exit recorded. To enforce
this, the number of UK Borders Agency staff
engaged in controlling immigration will be
tripled to 30,000
· Ensure that after the five-year freeze, any
future immigration for permanent settlement will
be on a strictly controlled, points-based system
similar to Australia, Canada and New Zealand
· Return people found to be living illegally in
the UK to their country of origin. There can
be no question of an amnesty for illegal immigrants. Such amnesties merely encourage
further illegal immigration
· Require those living in the UK under
‘Permanent Leave to Remain’ to abide by a
legally binding ‘Undertaking of Residence’
ensuring they respect our laws or face
deportation. Such citizens will not be eligible for
benefits. People applying for British citizenship
will have to have completed a period of not
less then five years as a resident on ‘Permanent
Leave to Remain’. New citizens should pass a
citizenship test and sign a ‘Declaration of British
Citizenship’ promising to uphold Britain’s
democratic and tolerant way of life
· Enforce the existing terms of the 1951 UN
Convention on Refugees until Britain replaces it
with an Asylum Act. To avoid disappearances,
asylum seekers will be held in secure and
humane centres until applications are
processed, with limited right to appeal. Those
seeking asylum must do so in the first ‘desig-nated safe country’ they enter. Existing asylum
seekers who have had their application refused
will be required to leave the country, along with
any dependants
· Require all travellers to the UK to obtain a
visa from a British Embassy or High Commission, except where visa waivers have been
agreed with other countries. All non-work
permit visa entrants to the UK will be required
to take out adequate health insurance (except
where reciprocal arrangements exist). Those
without insurance will be refused entry. Certain
visas, such as student visas, will require faceto-face interviews, and UKIP will crack down on
bogus educational establishments
· Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and
withdraw from the European Convention on
Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In
future British courts will not be allowed to
appeal to any international treaty or convention that overrides or sets aside the provisions
of any statue passed by the UK Parliament
· Reintroduce The ‘Primary Purpose Rule’
(abolished by the Labour Government),
whereby those marrying or seeking to marry a
British citizen will have to convince the admitting officer that marriage, not residence, is their
primary purpose in seeking to enter the UK
· End the active promotion of the doctrine of
multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies
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So the countries of India and Pakistan were good when the people were providing you with a lot of rich materials and trade, but now you have less money you do not want to consider those people as your own ?
Yeah figures.
Those immigrants are often born in the UK and could not live in 'their' country.
But people fail to accept them as the British people they are just because they wish to keep their own tase in food and religion.
They are not stealing your jobs, they are doing the work you were too lazy to do yourself as you look down on them.
So you give them no chances, consider them criminals and second rate people and then find it odd if they make trouble? Go and love in their country and make a living for a year cleaning buildings, then we will talk.
I didn't mention jobs, sure come to the UK and get a job, but don't come here just to rob tax payers blind through defrauding the benefits system, India and other countries have been free from British rule for years now, so I don't know how the 'They worked for your country and don't have rights to be in the country they worked for?' argument can come in here, they now have their own countries and have broken away from all ties with Britain, I'm actually unemployed right now and no, I'm not sat on the dole getting money for nothing. So yes, I'de take a cleaning job. :poke:
What? No... Do not confuse UKIP and BNP.
They only want to kick the ILLEGAL immigrants out... read their manifesto. http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf (http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf)
3 Immigration
& Asylum
As a member of the EU, Britain has lost control
of her borders. Some 2.5 million immigrants
have arrived since 1997 and up to one million
economic migrants live here illegally. Former
New Labour staff maintain that this policy has
been a deliberate attempt to water down the
British identity and buy votes. EU and human
rights legislation means we cannot even expel
foreign criminals if they come from another EU
country. This is why immigration control is so
essential and overdue. UKIP will:
· End mass, uncontrolled immigration. UKIP
calls for an immediate five-year freeze on
immigration for permanent settlement. We aspire to ensure that any future immigration does
not exceed 50,000 people p.a.
· Regain control of UK borders. This can only
be done by leaving the European Union. Entry
for work will be on a time-limited work permit
only. Entry for non-work related purposes (e.g.
holiday or study) will be on a temporary visa.
Overstaying will be a criminal offence
· Ensure all EU citizens who came to Britain
after 1 January 2004 are treated in the same
way as citizens from other countries (unless
entitled to ‘Permanent Leave to Remain’). Non-
UK citizens travelling to or from the UK will
have their entry and exit recorded. To enforce
this, the number of UK Borders Agency staff
engaged in controlling immigration will be
tripled to 30,000
· Ensure that after the five-year freeze, any
future immigration for permanent settlement will
be on a strictly controlled, points-based system
similar to Australia, Canada and New Zealand
· Return people found to be living illegally in
the UK to their country of origin. There can
be no question of an amnesty for illegal immigrants. Such amnesties merely encourage
further illegal immigration
· Require those living in the UK under
‘Permanent Leave to Remain’ to abide by a
legally binding ‘Undertaking of Residence’
ensuring they respect our laws or face
deportation. Such citizens will not be eligible for
benefits. People applying for British citizenship
will have to have completed a period of not
less then five years as a resident on ‘Permanent
Leave to Remain’. New citizens should pass a
citizenship test and sign a ‘Declaration of British
Citizenship’ promising to uphold Britain’s
democratic and tolerant way of life
· Enforce the existing terms of the 1951 UN
Convention on Refugees until Britain replaces it
with an Asylum Act. To avoid disappearances,
asylum seekers will be held in secure and
humane centres until applications are
processed, with limited right to appeal. Those
seeking asylum must do so in the first ‘desig-nated safe country’ they enter. Existing asylum
seekers who have had their application refused
will be required to leave the country, along with
any dependants
· Require all travellers to the UK to obtain a
visa from a British Embassy or High Commission, except where visa waivers have been
agreed with other countries. All non-work
permit visa entrants to the UK will be required
to take out adequate health insurance (except
where reciprocal arrangements exist). Those
without insurance will be refused entry. Certain
visas, such as student visas, will require faceto-face interviews, and UKIP will crack down on
bogus educational establishments
· Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and
withdraw from the European Convention on
Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In
future British courts will not be allowed to
appeal to any international treaty or convention that overrides or sets aside the provisions
of any statue passed by the UK Parliament
· Reintroduce The ‘Primary Purpose Rule’
(abolished by the Labour Government),
whereby those marrying or seeking to marry a
British citizen will have to convince the admitting officer that marriage, not residence, is their
primary purpose in seeking to enter the UK
· End the active promotion of the doctrine of
multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies
Name a British party that doesn't want to kick all illegal immigrants out.. The fact I'm trying to point out is that theres millions of immigrants in the UK that came here with 1 kid, and turned it into 6 kids when they discovered they could make a decent living off child benefits and job seekers allowance, I have no problem with immigrants that come to the UK and work, and consider themselves British citizens, I do have a problem with immigrants that come here just to have 6 kids and completely screw the benefits system over, and yes I know for a fact theres millions of them doing exactly that.
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Name a British party that doesn't want to kick all illegal immigrants out.. The fact I'm trying to point out is that theres millions of immigrants in the UK that came here with 1 kid, and turned it into 6 kids when they discovered they could make a decent living off child benefits and job seekers allowance, I have no problem with immigrants that come to the UK and work, and consider themselves British citizens, I do have a problem with immigrants that come here just to have 6 kids and completely screw the benefits system over, and yes I know for a fact theres millions of them doing exactly that.
Couldn't agree more.
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Mikal :(. Does that mean you won't like it when I immigrate to England soon? :razz:
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I didn't mention jobs, sure come to the UK and get a job, but don't come here just to rob tax payers blind through defrauding the benefits system, India and other countries have been free from British rule for years now, so I don't know how the 'They worked for your country and don't have rights to be in the country they worked for?' argument can come in here, they now have their own countries and have broken away from all ties with Britain, I'm actually unemployed right now and no, I'm not sat on the dole getting money for nothing. So yes, I'de take a cleaning job. :poke:
Name a British party that doesn't want to kick all illegal immigrants out.. The fact I'm trying to point out is that theres millions of immigrants in the UK that came here with 1 kid, and turned it into 6 kids when they discovered they could make a decent living off child benefits and job seekers allowance, I have no problem with immigrants that come to the UK and work, and consider themselves British citizens, I do have a problem with immigrants that come here just to have 6 kids and completely screw the benefits system over, and yes I know for a fact theres millions of them doing exactly that.
Once again you are making a hhuge mistake here. First of all that people make kids is not your problem. That the British hate sex is a commonly known fact, the rest of the world is different. As for them sitting without a job, that is YOUR problem for not allowing them to get one.
Kicking them out is something that is as real as Israel and Palestine working together to fight Mecca.
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Mikal :(. Does that mean you won't like it when I immigrate to England soon? :razz:
England, Wales, Scotland, Britain? Whats the difference? I'm not from England I'm from Wales.. :razz:
And uh, are you coming here to have 6-8 kids and to defraud the benefits system all your life? :trust:
Once again you are making a hhuge mistake here. First of all that people make kids is not your problem. That the British hate sex is a commonly known fact, the rest of the world is different. As for them sitting without a job, that is YOUR problem for not allowing them to get one.
Kicking them out is something that is as real as Israel and Palestine working together to fight Mecca.
Nobody stops these lazy immigrants from getting a job, the problem is that theres not enough jobs to go round in the UK, we are in the middle of a recession, well we keep going in and out of it.. And theres simply not enough jobs, I've been jobless for the past year, no matter how many jobs I apply for chances of me getting an interview with one is slim. What I also meant is that theres alot of immigrants that come here specifically to drain our benefits system, that is why the government will now only be giving benefits for 2 kids every person from next year, as I just found out, great move.
Another thing, the jobs office is to scared to kick other races off job seekers because they are too scared of being accused of racism, seems thats how Britain is these days, can't say the word 'black' in public without being called racist. :poke:
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England, Wales, Scotland, Britain? Whats the difference? I'm not from England I'm from Wales.. :razz:
And uh, are you coming here to have 6-8 kids and to defraud the benefits system all your life? :trust:
Nah, I'm just taking advantage of the easier Advanced levels and the higher standards of university education.
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Nah, I'm just taking advantage of the easier Advanced levels and the higher standards of university education.
Don't over stay your visa. :D :bow:
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Nah, I'm just taking advantage of the easier Advanced levels
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19977062 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19977062)
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As for them sitting without a job, that is YOUR problem for not allowing them to get one.
No, he is correct. People chuck out kids for the sake of child benefits, although frankly one could quite reasonably blame this on our ridiculous benefits system more than anything else. If they can play the government for money, why bother getting a job?
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No, he is correct. People chuck out kids for the sake of child benefits, although frankly one could quite reasonably blame this on our ridiculous benefits system more than anything else. If they can play the government for money, why bother getting a job?
Exactly, they don't care about getting work and earning a retirement because they know they can get money off the government just by having kids alone, and some of them even fake back injuries and all to get disability allowance.
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No, he is correct. People chuck out kids for the sake of child benefits, although frankly one could quite reasonably blame this on our ridiculous benefits system more than anything else. If they can play the government for money, why bother getting a job?
I guess its time for you to have some kids. Then you will understand that they cost far more as the government pays.
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I guess its time for you to have some kids. Then you will understand that they cost far more as the government pays.
Just adding the benefit of the UK it's the amount per week.
Eldest or only child £20.30
Additional children (per child) £13.40
Now get your math straight and calculate how much money you need to pay your rent, food, bills. See if you can manage living only thanks to child benefit in the UK.
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Just adding the benefit of the UK it's the amount per week.
Eldest or only child £20.30
Additional children (per child) £13.40
Now get your math straight and calculate how much money you need to pay your rent, food, bills. See if you can manage living only thanks to child benefit in the UK.
That's one of many benefits you can get.
Income Support is extra money for those on a low income or none at all
Per week:
Lone parent 18 or over £71.00
Couples Both 18 or over £111.45
You could get Housing Benefit to help you pay your rent if you’re on a low income.
Per week:
1 bedroom (or shared accommodation) Up to £250
2 bedrooms Up to £290
3 bedrooms Up to £340
4 bedrooms Up to £400
Council Tax Benefit is a reduction (money off) your Council Tax bill.
This will be 25% off if in a couple. If a single parent they can get up to 100%.
Their children will get free meals through their schooling Age 4 through to 16.
Of course we have free health care here too.
If they or their children are arrested, they will have free legal aid.
And a myriad of other benefits are available.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028913/All-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-in-Britain-today.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028913/All-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-in-Britain-today.html)
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Still won't help you live off of your kids alone.
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Many people do rely on their benefits. Granted, the quality of life is going to be pretty shit. But it is very possible.
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That's one of many benefits you can get.
Income Support is extra money for those on a low income or none at all
Per week:
Lone parent 18 or over £71.00
Couples Both 18 or over £111.45
You could get Housing Benefit to help you pay your rent if you’re on a low income.
Per week:
1 bedroom (or shared accommodation) Up to £250
2 bedrooms Up to £290
3 bedrooms Up to £340
4 bedrooms Up to £400
Council Tax Benefit is a reduction (money off) your Council Tax bill.
This will be 25% off if in a couple. If a single parent they can get up to 100%.
Their children will get free meals through their schooling Age 4 through to 16.
Of course we have free health care here too.
If they or their children are arrested, they will have free legal aid.
And a myriad of other benefits are available.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028913/All-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-in-Britain-today.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028913/All-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-in-Britain-today.html)
Those benefits are available for everyone equally. If you do not need them, be happy and instead of 'blaming' better feel sorry that people need them.
Now look at what clothing and food costs, even if you are living on rice and bargains.
Finally, what are you blaming them for? If they were not there, the Government would not lower your taxes or pay you any more money. They would find other things to waste their income on, as goverments always do.
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I'm not blaming them for anything, I am not Mikal. I was simply pointing out the range of benefits available.
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Still won't help you live off of your kids alone.
You actually can live of your kids with child benefits, that is why the British government is making changes to prevent people using their childs benefits as personal income.
I guess its time for you to have some kids. Then you will understand that they cost far more as the government pays.
My parents have 6 kids, my mum gets child benefits for 4 of them, since the rest of us are over 18, my dads worked all his life on the railway, but I still know for a fast you can make a decent living off child benefits, not to mention you CAN be on job seekers allowance when your getting child benefits for your kids, also it seems the Muslim community in the UK don't really care how they dress their kids, I saw a small kids down the local bootsale wearing pink barbie clothes... He was a boy, and I'm gathering his mum got the clothes at the bootsale, they give their kids cheap shit so that they do make money through child benefits.
Not targetting Muslims, just saying what I saw... I understand how I might sound harsh or facist, but I'm just saying what I know happens.
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I am sure it happens, but what you are doing here is blaming others for your own problems. The immigrants mostly have a British passport, that gives them the same rights as you have, and should give them the same chances.
People deny them these chances, and then start pointing at them being on unemployment benefits. Which is about as valid as the conflict in Israel.
There is a lot of economic trouble in Europe, and the UK is no exception there. In such times people start making excuses as to why they are not able to go on holiday 4 times a year and buy a new car and TV as well.
Immigrants are an easy target there as they are 'strange' and 'not the same as we'. By shutting them out however you are not going to make them go away. The only thing you will reach is that if they manage to become succesful, they will shut YOU out.
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I am sure it happens, but what you are doing here is blaming others for your own problems. The immigrants mostly have a British passport, that gives them the same rights as you have, and should give them the same chances.
People deny them these chances, and then start pointing at them being on unemployment benefits. Which is about as valid as the conflict in Israel.
There is a lot of economic trouble in Europe, and the UK is no exception there. In such times people start making excuses as to why they are not able to go on holiday 4 times a year and buy a new car and TV as well.
Immigrants are an easy target there as they are 'strange' and 'not the same as we'. By shutting them out however you are not going to make them go away. The only thing you will reach is that if they manage to become succesful, they will shut YOU out.
I agree with you on some points, but there was an incident in 2010 I think it was, A bunch of idiots who support islam decided to crash a British soldiers coming home parade by calling them terrorists and child killers as they arrived, they got lucky that police were there still to protect them even after they had basicly insulted Britain, the police still stuck up for their rights and protected them from the angry British mob that wanted their heads. They cause more problems with religion in the UK than they do with the benefits system, for example, another reason they flock to the UK in numbers is because the UK is one of the only places in Europe where these religious women can completely cover their whole body with their table cloths, what ever they are called.. There was political arguments going on about that because they can't really be identified, and if police arrest one of them in order to identify them, the police are then breaching their civil rights by removing the persons head table cloth.
The UK is one of the most non-religious countrys in the world, atleast it's starting to look that way, with only 46% of Britains population being in a religion and that percentage is declining fast as, for example I found This (http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/AMERICA_378ac6_994136.jpg) on Google which is just a comparison of money to America's, if a country like America still has religious text on their money, and Britain has the one man who completely challenged religion, that has to show what the modern Britain is like.. Nearly every immigrant that comes to the UK is in a religion or very religious, why I ask, do they come to the least religious place in the world, or in Europe atleast, and run round chanting religious or anti-facist shit, the job centers don't kick them off job seekers allowance, why? Thats because whenever the government does something negative against a minority such as remove his/hers benefits or maybe the police hurt one of them whilst trying to arrest them, it's instantly a national racist/facist issue, just like the London riots last year, it started off with a bunch of black people protesting after a British armed response unit shot a black man dead for reasons which I don't know, anyway, they shot the black man dead, instantly black people were protesting in London, soon after Britains shit head white chavs joined in for fun and robbed/looted anything that they could make a pound on, now I'm not saying all black people in Britain are immigrants because of course theres British born minorities, but the fact that these immigrants and minorities turn everything into a facist/racist issue is enough to piss British born people off, I guess this is one of my problems with people immigrating to the UK, the British government is just too soft these days, so you could also say the problem lays with the British government being to soft, and not immgrants or minorities.
Not trying to be facist or racist here, just speaking my mind.
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Read the news from Holland, Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy.... you will see the same words, the same objections, the same incidents.
If you read news from Moscow you might even see the same, although there a Muslim in full dress will not appear in the street yet. Still people are angry on immigrants in the same way as you are.
Then cross the ocean and read how Americans talk about Mexicans. Again the same old story.
Bottom line is people are looking for an excuse to blame their trouble on others.
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I guess its time for you to have some kids. Then you will understand that they cost far more as the government pays.
Depends what kind of parents you have, if you have mine.. You would understand why I'm living with my Grandparents and my Godfather (I'm not going to share this, to private and it still hurts me :/) (kinda like a foster, both, depends where I'm going next year for my studys). I'm currently with my grandparents.
Anyway... I've got experience with this, I'm a ''trouble'' kid myself. And I used to life in Amsterdam/Hellevoetsluis for a while, right now I life in France.. And I'm being bullied as a idiot because my French is less better then the rest of the class, but I do still get better notes :/.
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Those benefits you guys are bragging about people misusing are pretty damn low. I imagine how it would be like here in Germany, each kid gets about 200 euros a month until he is in school.
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School is free here as long it is a public one (which is not the case with me), you only pay 160€ for the food for every 2-3 months. Health care = most of the time free (you have to pay the dentist and the doctor yourself, doctor is only 21€, dentist, for a control for example, is around 30€). Neither the less, you can get money from school (--> goverment), if you income is to low. Which is absolutely not the case with us (noany show off, don't forget the fact that the Netherlands has a expensive culture, while France is a quite poor country in the side where I life). We're not getting any money from the state, my granddad his retirmend already gives more then a regular income in this region, even with the fact they shorted it.
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Those benefits you guys are bragging about people misusing are pretty damn low. I imagine how it would be like here in Germany, each kid gets about 200 euros a month until he is in school.
Is it really damn low when around half the population is using them?
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WOW im moving to the UK i cant even get Food stamps because people abused them so now you have to have "Families" and because i look like a Mexican and I dont have 2-4 kids I don't qualify for government aid, so yeah I can understand that movement because I want most of our Ilgeal kicked out who do the same thing and w/e you got say about it gandalf, I work a crap job at walmart and can barley pay for internet and rent and food a month yet some illegal can sit outside a Hardware store wait for some contractor to offer them a job under the table paid in cash, rather then get a professional and Bam! they make money and get money from the government because non of that money is being reported.
So because I make a crap living I cannot get aide but some illegal immigrant that can't even speak English gets WIC for his Baby Mama and baby's Foodstamps to eat as well as extra money, and not only that but can benefit from unemployment too. Oh and because I work for Walmart I am 100% sure that i wont get unemployment benefits if i were to lose said job because there assholes and get away with all the time.
So you can see from my point of view I work a dead end job for a living and I get no help from the government while people dont do shit mooch of it and are able to live, hell i dont even have a cell phone and there illegals have phones and cars too how the hell they paying for them when the money they are supposed to use for living goes to crap like that? I personally know cause I had a few of thoes people buy Black Friday Discount TV's w/ Government given money, so more power to this UK movement to boot the immigrants cause its called being raciest however people look at me funny because I look like those Immigrants and i've been called a traitor to my race when I was Born in the USA so that hurt me more then anything. But if you guys in the UK do it I might decide That the Queen is great! or move to Canada, I hear its nice and cold Plus they all ride mosses all day long and watch too much hockey
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If you feel like it, you can get that contractor job and apply for food stamps as well.
So go for it and get that TV.
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Perhaps you need to improve your english writing and everything will fall into place. Would be awfully difficult to land a decent job writing that way.
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WOW im moving to the UK i cant even get Food stamps because people abused them so now you have to have "Families" and because i look like a Mexican and I dont have 2-4 kids I don't qualify for government aid, so yeah I can understand that movement because I want most of our Ilgeal kicked out who do the same thing and w/e you got say about it gandalf, I work a crap job at walmart and can barley pay for internet and rent and food a month yet some illegal can sit outside a Hardware store wait for some contractor to offer them a job under the table paid in cash, rather then get a professional and Bam! they make money and get money from the government because non of that money is being reported.
So because I make a crap living I cannot get aide but some illegal immigrant that can't even speak English gets WIC for his Baby Mama and baby's Foodstamps to eat as well as extra money, and not only that but can benefit from unemployment too. Oh and because I work for Walmart I am 100% sure that i wont get unemployment benefits if i were to lose said job because there assholes and get away with all the time.
So you can see from my point of view I work a dead end job for a living and I get no help from the government while people dont do shit mooch of it and are able to live, hell i dont even have a cell phone and there illegals have phones and cars too how the hell they paying for them when the money they are supposed to use for living goes to crap like that? I personally know cause I had a few of thoes people buy Black Friday Discount TV's w/ Government given money, so more power to this UK movement to boot the immigrants cause its called being raciest however people look at me funny because I look like those Immigrants and i've been called a traitor to my race when I was Born in the USA so that hurt me more then anything. But if you guys in the UK do it I might decide That the Queen is great! or move to Canada, I hear its nice and cold Plus they all ride mosses all day long and watch too much hockey
Your opinions don't count since you like weird pony stuff. ;)